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Posted: Thursday, August 11, 2011 12:00 am | Updated: 6:10 am, Thu Aug 11, 2011.

Why be proud to be a Republican? I’m not a Republican leader. I am a first-generation American on my father’s side of the family, and proud to vote as I choose — but I still care. It seems Ms. Savage is a good person who cares, but has some gaps in knowledge of history and civics. To answer some of her questions of Aug. 2:

Profound legislation — The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed only by the help of Republican votes (against Southern Democrats like Al Gore Sr.); the EPA was established by a Republican administration; the Republican Party was founded to abolish slavery (again in opposition to Democrats). There’s more, put space is limited.

Legislation to create jobs — Business creates jobs that pay taxes to also pay for government jobs.

Lower taxes — They work: See Ronald Reagan’s decision in 1982; John Kennedy’s decision in 1963; and Harding and Coolidge decisions in 1921-23. Notice we have to relearn every 20 to 40 years, so we are right on schedule.

Deficit hawks — You can buy on credit within your income, but you can’t spend money on credit against every generation that follows; see spending from 1960 to 2008 and what we have now.

Constitution — It established a Republic, because Democracy is rule by the majority over any dissent. It is basically mob rule. The Founders were aware of history where democracy only works at the smallest scale and even then can descend into tyranny of the majority (a mob).

Destroying all social safety nets — You mean such as FEMA, Amtrak, IRS, TSA, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, the CDC, DMV and a few others?

Unraveling of the country — I am also disgusted. Did you notice that it’s not a coincidence the unraveling is faster and more severe in blue states (Democrat-run California) rather than red states (Republican-run Texas)? We need more elected officials with integrity and commonsense and fewer of those currently in office, Democrat and Republican. Compassion without common sense and courage is suicide; economic, cultural and spiritual.

Maybe the Tea Party is the future. Nothing lasts forever, except ideas like those of 1776.

Paul Verdegaal

Acampo

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44 comments:

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:10 am on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike stated...You guys are a very sorry lot. Well, maybe when RNC has drained you of all your money and you've finally realized how much you've been duped all these years, you'll come over to our side. You won't have anywhere else to go.


    Mike, if there was no conservative types in America, and I had to live in a country where only the left had the power and control, I know modern communist China offers more freedom and economic opportunity. The American left makes communism a better option. I think I would rather be homeless than depend on the left.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:39 pm on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike... another great post. Keep up the good work. The "right" appreciates your effort.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:03 pm on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1374

    "other radical liberals" jeez that's thick, but expected the radical right. I feel much safer being in the company of those on the left than right given recent history, such as Timothy McVeigh, the anthrax letter mailer, etc. Yeah .. That's something you want as an associate.

    I know it's hard getting the truth about the group you all seem to be involved in. You know I would have figured one of you rocket scientists would have realized that the vast middle class the republicans rely on for support, actually do very little for. Look at all the companies that have moved off shore or have out-sourced jobs. Your great hope to replace Barbara Boxer was very proud of sending 30,000 jobs over seas.
    What about all the rich republican farmers who, like yourselves, scream about entitlements and government aid while all the time accepting farm subsidies.
    You guys are a very sorry lot. Well, maybe when RNC has drained you of all your money and you've finally realized how much you've been duped all these years, you'll come over to our side. You won't have anywhere else to go.

     
  • Jerry Bransom posted at 5:53 pm on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.

    Jerry Bransom Posts: 363

    One other Un-Truth about Texas and other so-called red States regarding Federal Taxes. In 2004, Texas got 94 cents back on every dollar they were taxed. Here in California we got only 79 cents on every dollar. In effect, with the new rules adopted during the last 12 years, tax burdens have been shifted to Blue States. Makes it convenient to blame democrats for budget problems, huh? Again, reading would help you all in this regard.

     
  • Jerry Bransom posted at 5:11 pm on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.

    Jerry Bransom Posts: 363

    I can comment on one Un-Truth in this letter. 100% of the new jobs created in Texas are a result of Gas Well drilling. I am a beneficiary of that un-truth. It was Cheney's insistence that rules for energy be set aside that has enabled the great state of texas to have almost no drinkable ground water in these areas as a result of Well Fracturing. I am also a beneficiary of that madness. Mr Perry has sold nearly every major highway to private citizens. My Mom and Dad now have a "Toll Booth Account" which is billed monthly for driving on federally funded roads. Yeah.. GREAT JOB PERRY! How did he do that during the Bush Administration? All of my relatives are hoping he gets elected so he will get out of the state. Big Money keeps him in power. I think I prefer Blue. It is worth it to be able to drink, swim and breath in a cleaner environment.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:50 am on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Bryan stated...Mike, You're a little off base with your charge that Darrell may want to go and run over some baby ducks.

    Brian... actually, I think we should "thank" Mike for sharing what he really thinks. I think he was being sincere and honest as to his perception of the “right” In all reality, I think he is a perfect spokesman for the majority of thinkers on the “ left”. His posts substantiates the fact that the left cannot be taken seriously as reasonable thoughtful human beings. Somehow, I imagine that Mike will be waiting in line overnight to see the premier of “Planet of the Apes” soon to come out. The only question that I have is how many bananas will Mike consume during the movie... six or seven?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:40 am on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    And Mike,

    Your shoot-from-the-hip tactics are consistent with other radical liberals on these threads.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:36 am on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Mike,

    You're a little off base with your charge that Darrell may want to go and run over some baby ducks. Unlike a radical liberal he would probably do something more productive.
    And, actually, I doubt he's too concerned what Doug says given Doug is friends with Leonard Pone on FB and they probably share talking points.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 7:27 am on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Barack Obama is heading out on his mid-west tax payer funded, "blame anyone but me" bus tour, does this empty suit ever "not" campaign, close to a million in his war chest and he still tries to squeeze another few million more out of his high end, liberal sheep.

    Gallup poll has this failed President's numbers at their lowest so far, 39% approval to a basement dwelling 54% disapproval. Maybe he will be jotting down his new ideas for turning his corrupt regime around, first he needs to blame the "tea party" then mention how everyone but him "drove the car into the ditch."

    Time for this former "community organizer" to man up and quit the blame game he and his shills are so good at, of course he can't run on his record, how does he explain those 45 million Americans living on food stamps, most ever, three or four wars, 9.1% unemployment rate, lowest consumer confidence ratting since the 70's.

    Maybe this is all part of that famous "Hope and Change" his mind numbed robots went around chanting back in 2008???

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:53 am on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1374

    Darrell Baumbach @ 11:55am
    "I prefer a candidate like Palin that is clear and precise to what legislation she would endorse if elected president."

    Enough said?

    If your feeling particularly down, especially from the shellaquing Doug is giving you on another thread, maybe you can go over to Lodi Lake and run over some baby ducks.
    This seems to make the conservative heart sing!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:55 am on Sun, Aug 14, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike stated...Isn't M. Bachman so much more literate than Sarah Palin? I still think all republicans should donate all their money to Palin at this time though. Every cent they have...

    Its refreshing to listen to Sarah Palin articulate specific positions and policies. There are some that prefer to listen to Obama pretend to be conservative during the campaign then once elected, support radical left wing legislation. I prefer a candidate like Palin that is clear and precise to what legislation she would endorse if elected president.
    As far as Bachman... she is equally refreshing. You will never see her pretend to be a radical liberal then support right wing causes...

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 11:05 am on Sun, Aug 14, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1374

    K.P.: This make a neat icon .: The problem with same sex marriages is that there is a church marriage and there is a state marriage and the two have gotten hooked. The various denominations can institute what every restrictions or relax restrictions as they feel. The state marriage is a business partnership that must be dissolved in a superior court which has control as the general law court in CA. It's no different than you or I going into business together. We file the necessary paper work, blah, blah blah..we're a partnership. Two years later, I find someone younger and decide I'd rather be in business with him (or her (I'm talking a business partnership here, not sleeping arrangements)) so we need to get our partnership dissolved. I could keep our business partnership alive and start the new one with Ms. or Mr. Younger.
    This is where there is deviation. The state is fine with me having more than one partnership (business), but not more than one wife at the same time. I'm not saying it would be impossible to separate the two marriages (church and state), but that it should look into creating a church marriage and a state marriage, not a church state marriage.

    BTW: Isn't M.Bachman so much more litterate than Sarah Palin? I still think all republicans should donate all their money to Palin at this time though. Every cent they have.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:28 am on Sun, Aug 14, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Joanne wrote:


    The best part was Michelle Bachman screaming out, "Barack Obama is going to be a one term president!" Maybe she should refer Obama to her husband's clinic and see if they can "pray the president" out of him.

    -This passion that Michelle Bachman has to replace Obama and thus make him a one term President is honorable. Unlike Obama and his team where they have
    publicly announced they want to "Destroy Romney", it seems to me Joanne doesn't have a problem with this rage but has a problem with Michelle Bachman's passion.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 5:03 pm on Sat, Aug 13, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2013

    Sorry Patrick, the only thing I remember from the 70's is a trip to the Grand Canyon when I was 5 and my family was moving out to Bakersfield.

    Mike: I'd rather spend time discussing issues with someone I disagree with but enjoy the conversation than with someone I agree with but can't stand talking to.

    One area I wish we had a more Democracy based government was with presidential elections. I believe every voter should have their vote count when it comes to voting for the leader of their country. Eliminate the electoral collage and give the power to the people. It would probably result in more people voting. Might even result in more votes going to my precious third party candidates.

    It would be interesting to see a more democracy based government though wouldn't it? When issues like same sex marriage, illegal immigration and other hot topics that most people have an opinion about instead of letting the elected officials decide for us (when their only concern is to get elected again), we the people would have a period of time to vote. A common area like the post office would have voting computers set up so anyone would have the opportunity to vote. The voting time would have to be sufficient to ensure anyone who was gong to vote had plenty of time to cast their vote.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 4:21 pm on Sat, Aug 13, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1374

    Sorry to say I'm not the constitutional scholar some of you believe you are, but...
    The writers of the constitution made it a "republic" ("if you can keep it..") because a true democracy with everyone involved in every single decision would never work. Good job getting that part wrong Kevin. Kevin, I enjoy your comments. Sometimes wrong, sometimes right on the money. We disagree on much, but your opinion and contributions are respected.

    There are some who like to put up challenges, and try to get those they disagree with involved in some sort of mental circus, but guys like us (Kevin, Me, several others) have lives outside of a keyboard and monitor. We have jobs and friends so don't post constantly with inane apologies and sentiments.

    So Darryllllll, you got to keep it above the cut off. I can't be clicking on the last 8 lines of mis-represtentation and assorted crap. I'm amazed you brought up the "Contract with America". What a failure. Go think of some game to play with someone else. You're done.

    For some of you, I can't believe Ron Paul was the only one to get it right the other night, which of course means he has no chance. A republican who is willing to say Bush bankrupted the country with his made up wars. As a typical frat brat, he left the White House and the presidency in shambles. Now another semi-failed Texas governor is thinking of running.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 11:02 am on Sat, Aug 13, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Pags: Nice job! The power is with the people...remember the 60-70s? Black Panthers, SLA, NAACP, Weather Underground, Yuppies, Hippies, Mexican Mafia? ALL of those groups touted the slogan..."Power to the People!!! Well....THAT is what a Republic like the US gives...and what most of us are fighting to keep.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 6:49 pm on Fri, Aug 12, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2013

    BTW, the US is a Republic, just in case you didn't know.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 6:46 pm on Fri, Aug 12, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2013

    I would think a member of the Democratic party would be a bit more sensitive when belittling presidents for scandals considering their last leader was actually impeached for his scandal.

    As for the the orgins of the name http://www.ushistory.org/gop/origins.htm the second article. The "republican" party formed as a counter to the slavery loving Democrats.

    Mike sites the term "republic", so what is that: re·pub·lic noun
    1. a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.

    I can see why Democrats like Mike would be so opposed to a government where the power rests with the people. Especially considering how much power the democrats what the government to have over our lives.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:45 pm on Fri, Aug 12, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike stated....As I said somewhere else.....all the good things that real republicans were formally involved in are now the domain of the democrats. Has been for over 30 years.
    Mike has finally said something that has truth to it... The democrats have had the power and control for a vast majority of time during the last 30 years... They own what is good...and “WHAT IS BAD”... they own it all...

    So let me itemize the good...

    01 They helped Clinton follow the republicans under the leadership of Newt Gingrich and the Contract with America in 1994.
    2. They... uhhh... ummmm... well.... I guess #1 was it

    Let me size up the bad...

    1. They approved the funding and endorsed the wars during the Bush Administration.
    2. They pushed and pushed to spend our country into near bankruptcy.
    3. They spearheaded the collapse of the housing industry by forcing banks to lend money to people who could not afford what they bought.
    4. They brought us a president that didn't have sex with that woman.
    5. They brought us on step closer to socialism through Obamacare...
    6. They increased unemployment and regulated business into collapse.
    7. The inherited Reagan's economic boom but brought it down eventually by demonizing the business world as well as the people who contributed to success.
    8. The list goes on and on.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:57 pm on Fri, Aug 12, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1374

    Wow! What a letter. Republicans named for "republic" and democrats named for "democracy". What a huge stretch

    As I said somewhere else.....all the good things that real republicans were formally involved in are now the domain of the democrats. Has been for over 30 years. Republicans are now nothing more than the last dying gasps of a wounded, inconsequential animal. Good riddance. Go steal some candy from a baby if it'll make you feel better.

    Perhaps the writer might have checked a little closer. Two of the presidents he cited led scandal ridden terms. (Harding and Nixon..just in case you republicans need help). Yeah. Those are two guys I want on paper money.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:59 pm on Fri, Aug 12, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...After the fighting, bickering, name-calling, whining (Rick Santorum), and false accusations made during Thursday night's debate, who wouldn't vote Republican

    Vintage Ms Bobin... she gives false accusations, whines, and picks a fight with people here in making fun of anyone that would vote Republican... She simply does what she accuses others of doing. If you go to this link below, you can see Obama and Hillary Clinton fighting like dogs and cats.. makes the Republicans look like s love fest...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieLHGFvYvo0

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:16 pm on Fri, Aug 12, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I really think that every single Republican in the US and in this forum should be SO proud right now. After the fighting, bickering, name-calling, whining (Rick Santorum), and false accusations made during Thursday night's debate, who wouldn't vote Republican?

    The best part was Michelle Bachman screaming out, "Barack Obama is going to be a one term president!" Maybe she should refer Obama to her husband's clinic and see if they can "pray the president" out of him.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 6:16 am on Fri, Aug 12, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Geeeee...I'm sorry ms b...my comp carrier calls it a modification or mod rating...the experience rating comes into play as to the apprentice or journeyman classification. Please do not be so patronizing. 40 years tells me I know what I am doing.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 11:10 pm on Thu, Aug 11, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2013

    The real tragedy about this whole thing Is I think I may have to give up golf. Going out next week to see how the feet feel. It's been almost four years since I've played because of the foot pains. I'm hoping the surgery has made the sport possible for me again.

    But now i have two handicaps when I play, my feet and my swing.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 11:08 pm on Thu, Aug 11, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2013

    Joanne, it was 13 years ago so the names have been lost. Never was good with names. But you hit the nail on the head, "qualified claimant". I never submitted the paperwork.

    The foot injury I sustained (am still dealing with it) was achilles tendinitis paired with plantar fasciitis which was brought on from carrying heavy loads through a warehouse (got tired of looking for the carts that were suppose to be available for me but never were when the customers were waiting. I would end up carrying 150-200lbs on my shoulders through the warehouse and to the store front, 100-150 yards. After two years of this the tendinitis/PF flared badly. If any of you ever had them then you know but I looked like frankenstein most mornings, most of the time I had to walk sideways because I couldn't move my ankle. Back then i had the PT and braces and cortisone, even did massage therapy. All worked fine until the next time I had to do something which involved more than normal muscle in my feet.

    Just finally had surgery last fall to remove the bone spurs on both ankles (back), have two more on the bottom of the ankle which may have to be taken care of son as well.

    But through it all the one thing I was committed to was NOT taking WC since my wife made plenty of money. So I never filed for it. HR person at the job brought the papers and everything, company paid for the medical back then but I never signed the paperwork for the WC. Others needed it more.

    Side note, if any of you are out at the sports field and see a middle aged guy trying to run to keep up with his team and it looks like his legs don't work, that's me.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:19 pm on Thu, Aug 11, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Maple, I believe that as an employer, you should know that both unemployment and workers compensation rates are based on an "experience rating."

    Also, Mr. Paglia, I'm curious to know which workers compensation carrier allowed you to "turn it down." It is a violation of WC law to NOT pay a qualified claimaint.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 5:46 pm on Thu, Aug 11, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Mr B: Even those who are handicapped, mentally challenged or socially lacking in public skills often want to and do contribute. It is those people I CHOOSE to help through jobs, contributions and charities. I started working in the grapes when I was 8 years old carrying buckets for my mother as did my two brothers. My sister stayed home and helped with the house. I feel blessed that both of my parents taught us HOW to work. Thanks Mom Thanks Dad

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 4:52 pm on Thu, Aug 11, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1501

    Patrick I do agree and when I wrote that I first did write about what you said but then I thought that there is always going to be someone who cannot or will not contribute so I changed it to many

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 4:06 pm on Thu, Aug 11, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Better than being called for KP duty!

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 4:05 pm on Thu, Aug 11, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Good or bad?

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 3:57 pm on Thu, Aug 11, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2013

    My principle all through HS called me Pags.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:30 pm on Thu, Aug 11, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Pags: Basically, that's what unemployment insurance is...only I pay it in for just such reasons...after an employee uses up his/her "savings" they lose it. MY contribution goes up each time as well...it is called a modification...just like comp when someone is injured on the job. I like your thinking though. We control not they control.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 3:07 pm on Thu, Aug 11, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2013

    What's with all the Mr and Mrs. lately. Use to be everything was first name, well when it was civil otherwise it was made-up names. Anyway, Mr. Maple, your statement agrees with what i said. IF a person needs help for their bills and food and such then they should get that help. I don't think households who are making a bunch of money, don't need help with the basic bills and food should be receiving money that others do need.

    I wonder if there is a legal way for an employer in a inconstant industry such as construction to open a savings account for their individual employees. It would be as part of their salary/compensation and the purpose would be solely for downturns in work. The tax code would be interesting on it, it is technically the employees money and compensation, but the employer would have control of it (only able to deposit, not withdraw). Would it be pre-tax or post taxable income. I bet my wifey would know, maybe I'll ask tonight. So anyway, then if work dried up the owner could release the funds and his employees pull out what they need to make ends meet until the money is gone or the work comes back.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 1:57 pm on Thu, Aug 11, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mr b: Your supposition is flawed...what is many?...the few who actually do work?...from my perspective your supposition should read..."when we ALL work for the betterment of ALL society...with that premise I have no problem.

    Well said Mr Pags! I agree. However, as far as unemployment or comp, as an employer, I WANT my employees to receive the money they and I have paid in on them. It is their money... I paid in so if there is a downturn in work they can at least pay their bills. I would be more than happy to just put it on their weekly paycheck but then, what if the work goes away?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:46 pm on Thu, Aug 11, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Kevin stated...In my life I have been qualified for both workers comp and unemployment benefits. I turned them both down because we were well enough off without me working where we didn't need it. Sure it would have been extra money, but it wasn't needed.

    Very Impressive Kevin... speaks well of your character

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 12:11 pm on Thu, Aug 11, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2013

    Eric: Doesn't it feel like you get picked on a lot? No, this one is on your side, a little. "I just believe that society is best served when many of us work hard together for the betterment of all." For the most part I agree with this. The problem is coming from how to BEST find that betterment for all. In general it seems the left, liberal side believes the government is best suited to take care everybody and determine what is appropriate income for people, taxing those who make "too much" harder than others. Those on the right, conservative side, in general say go out and succeed on your own, here's the tools to do it.

    I have no problem helping those who are willing to put effort into improving their situation or really need help. What I don't think is right is giving out tax payer money to people who are perfectly capable of doing for themselves but find it easier to let the government do for them. In my life I have been qualified for both workers comp and unemployment benefits. I turned them both down because we were well enough off without me working where we didn't need it. Sure it would have been extra money, but it wasn't needed.

    Now as much as I dislike helping those who are able to do for themselves, I REALLY dislike helping those who have already done for themselves. That is people with sufficient income coming in who still take government handouts. http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/07/30/irs-reveals-millionaires-claiming-unemployment-benefits/ I know some on here are outspoken about government over-regulation, but in this situation I think some more regulation on who is eligible for government assistance would be a good idea.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:02 pm on Thu, Aug 11, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Eric stated...I just believe that society is best served when many of us work hard together for the betterment of all.

    what does this mean? Maybe....the higher the tax, the more money available for all... " the betterment for all can more likely be achieved...the happier we all will be...


     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 11:55 am on Thu, Aug 11, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Mr J: Very well said...let them put that in their pipe and smoke it...as my grandmother would say.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:28 am on Thu, Aug 11, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1501

    Ryan I respect your opinion on hard work and everyone making there own way and I understand the frustration when it seems others arn't pulling thier weight. I just believe that society is best served when many of us work hard together for the betterment of all. I don't believe that it is my place alone to tell any what to do with thier money those are decisions that everyone has a voice in. I was just stating my opinion on the matter.

     
  • Ryan Jameson posted at 10:39 am on Thu, Aug 11, 2011.

    Ryan Jameson Posts: 195

    Eric, your point is made. I think what you are missing is that people on the right do not want to pay more taxes and have more social programs even if they make people "more happy". People on the right are perfectly happy working hard and earning paychecks and spending those paychecks on whatever they please. Most folks on the right would argue that the success of this nation was built upon the ideals of liberty and the chance of failure. In other words, if you do not work hard you will not be successful. And who are you (Eric) to tell hard working people that they should give more of their money to others who have not earned it. I do not believe in the philosophy that just because we are Americans means we should all be comfortable and successful. We are born into a culture that was founded on the principles of freedom to choose one's own path in life.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:36 am on Thu, Aug 11, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Eric stated...I must disagree with your ideas on tax cuts.As I posted yesterday some of the wealthiest happiest people in the world come from countries that are heavily taxed with many social programs.

    Now this is fun.... of course... this the the main reason people elsewhere are more happy... they have the opportunity to pay more tax...the higher the tax, the better the government can care for it's citizens... finally, a real solution to happiness.

    Eric thinks out side the box and results in creativity...

    Paul... I am sure you appreciate Eric's position...

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 10:35 am on Thu, Aug 11, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Very good letter Mr Verdegaal...your father must have come from a country that values hard work and the rewards that come from that work...I suspect Holland. What people like mr barrow don't get is that yes, the Republicans were the initiators of the EPA, however, they were not the ones who allow the zealots to control it and abuse the powers it was given. The IRS is a welfare system...it is just the Accounts Receivable part of the business known as government. Climate change is political crap and bad science...humans are not the problem...historians have proven that time and time again. People like mr barrow think that the government shouldn't give tax breaks to the wealthy because it will mean a cut in their pay...they would rather cut mine and yours and whomever they deem to be "rich"...of course that term is on a sliding scale as needed by the government agencies.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:49 am on Thu, Aug 11, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1501

    Paul I have not heard from many Republicans in favor of FEMA, transportation subsidies or Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It’s quite refreshing to hear that some republicans are in favor social programs. Although somebody might have to explain how the IRS is a safety net. It is also refreshing to hear a Republican champion the EPA the right doesn’t usually support regulations that deal with climate change or enviromental issues. I must disagree with your ideas on tax cuts. As I posted yesterday some of the wealthiest happiest people in the world come from countries that are heavily taxed with many social programs.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:28 am on Thu, Aug 11, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Paul Verdegaal stated...I am a first-generation American on my father’s side of the family, and proud to vote as I choose ...

    Maybe the answer to a better country is to get more immigrants in our country who have not been subject to generations of our educational system and indoctrination.

    This man obviously is reality based and a clear thinker. This was refreshing.

     

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