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It’s time for the president to learn he is not a king

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Posted: Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:00 am

Do you remember when Barack Obama said, regarding his Obamacare, that if someone had a doctor they liked they could keep him? No problem, I promise the American people can keep any insurance plan that they prefer. He made it a point to say, "I promise that the people can keep their doctor or present insurance plan." Two of the most destructive, vicious and intentional lies of many our president has told.

We all heard Marco Rubio give a critique of the president's State of the Union speech. During this speech, he had a dry throat and needed a sip of water; and then continued his speech. The "libs" had a fit that Marco Rubio had to have a drink of water and then complete his speech.

What I want to know is, which of these things have been more disastrous to the American people: Obama's planned lies or Rubio's dry throat? I will leave it up to you.

How ridiculous can one party be? It is not hard to understand Rush Limbaugh's statement that he has lost respect for his country when the leader tells lies like these. We had better do something fast, or this bunch of unconscionable liars are going to destroy our country while we stand idly by.

It is high time that Barack Obama realizes that he is not the king or dictator of America. He is an elected president, and he must realize that he works for us, we don't work for him.

Sam West

Lockeford

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64 comments:

  • Patrick W Maple posted at 7:32 am on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Stan: Stan: Here is a perfect example of government "assistance" and how it can affect a person's mortality and well being (stress at 85 years of age)...My mother in law was receiving $900pm SS...father in law dies...she now gets $1500pm. At nine hundred dollars a month anything that medicare didn't pay for MidiCal picked up...no charge. When her husband died she got his SS at $1500.00...since she received more than $902pm she then had to pay MediCal $700 for medical bills that medicare did not pay BEFORE MeidCal would pay a dime. Her SS has since gone up to $1600pm so NOW she has to pay MediCal the first $900.00 of any medical bills that medicare doesn't pay. EACH MONTH...all the while people who post here get an unemployment check and medical assistance if needed at no charge.

    I wonder how mrh would/will feel when his income is cut, medical expenses explodes and he gets sick? Sick? Were it not for my MIL living with my wife and I she would certainly be in a much more precarious position...sick maybe? Maybe a few of these leftwingers should tour a couple of the lower income facilities before spouting off.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:03 pm on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2963

    Wasn't the "assessment of constitutional meaning" provided by the unanimous decision of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit?
    [sleeping]

     
  • stan taves posted at 9:53 am on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

    Stan Taves Posts: 306

    Mr. Heuer doesn't understand how people can be hurt and demoralized -- even have their mortality effected -- by leadership that insists upon deception is a normal course of action. Everyone dies -- some sooner than others -- for various reasons. The point that I was making is that a persons economic situation effects their longevity -- in either direction.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 7:50 pm on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1314

    Stanny boy
    It hardly takes guts to ask you a question. It is only challenging to know if I ask a question of you I have to be ready for the follow up questions because the first answers just garner more gobbeldygoop. For instance "When the elderly have their fixed incomes pilfered ...then their life expectancy becomes jeopardized in a significant manner." What are you talking about? Fixed incomes, social security, investmets, medicare, pensions? How does this effect life expectancy? And "vulnerable amoung us get terribly hurt?" You mean ill or hurt financially? When the original conversation was people dieing and getting maimed as a result of lies leading to a wasted war that caused real physical hurt. Now you want to talk about monetary policy as a hurt comparable to war? it gets confusing and frankly an apples and oranges comparison.

    And you said "...the effort I put forward on a regular basis -- and without any appreciation from the likes of you (me)..." Now what can I say I have no idea what you do to say whether or not I appreciate it. I generally assume you made some contribution to society as most others do. But I never got any appreciation from you as to what my contibutions have been either. I'm retired now.

    Now you play the conservatives game of denigrating the unemployment rate by trying to make it sound worse than what it is to spite the president. However even in good times the story is the same. If we have uneploymet at a normal rate of from 4 to 5 % there are still those that are not counted, underemployed or quit looking. But if you listen to something other than Fox or Limbaugh you'ld realize many have dropped off because they went into business for themselves. A carpet cleaner business in Lodi has told me they have experienced a rash of people that started their own carpet cleaning. Reports on grown up TV/radio have talked about this same phenomenon: unemployed starting their own business. A friend of mie, an electrician, had to go back to school to become a truck driver since the bust in the housing.

    Remember unemployment at 7.7 is a relative term. Whether 12% or 3% the same dynamics occur. 7.7 is better than 12% and it will be better at 4-5%. Yes unemployment was extended in this terrible economy, as it should, but conservatives fought it all the way. Yet you state "The fact that some jobs have been created through the borrowing of 6.5 trillion inflationary dollars is pathetic...". What are people suppose to do while they wait for the economy to kick back in. On the one hand you say how unemployment is terrible yet to give them jobs created by the government is terrible.
    So in this economic mess where does the death toll stand? How many are crippled and how many suffer PTSD as a result of monetary policy?

    Oh and "polishing the apple?" Where did that come from? Its OK if you choose not to answer I understand. This has been pretty taxing for you with all this thinking stuff.

     
  • stan taves posted at 4:06 pm on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

    Stan Taves Posts: 306

    That's Stan-the-Man to you, son. I love it when you guys actually have the guts to ask me a question. This is how it works: When the elderly have their fixed incomes pilfered by the likes of Obama, and his cronies ( Benanke, Summers, Geithner and a host of others ) then their life expectancy becomes jeopardized in a significant manner. In other words, when people like those in leadership steal from us through inflationary monetary policy then the most vulnerable amoung us get terribly hurt. Honest effort? that would be the effort I put forward on a regular basis -- and without any appreciation from the likes of you and your ilk. The fact that some jobs have been created though the borrowing of 6.5 trillion inflationary dollars is pathetic at best. Did you not realize that 4.5 million Americans have been on unemployment for more than 27 weeks? How about the 15 million people who have left the work force, or are under-employed -- that means that their unemployment has expired, and they just through in the towel. I know that you would love to keep polishing your apple, but the skin that hides the rot came off long ago -- even Nancy Pelosi won't eat that thing.

     
  • Robert Jacobs posted at 3:58 pm on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

    Robert Jacobs Posts: 298

    Amen!!

    You do realize though, they (law makers, president, and White House powers that be) are all arrogant, immoral, greedy, thieving, uncaring, lying sacks!

    Its been that way for over fifty years and its not going to change, because they is rarely if ever any accountability for their actions!

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 3:05 pm on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1314

    Excuse me Stanny but I don't think you have what it takes to take on the great WA. You have to have a sense of humor and you have yet to display any evidence of having one. Go ahead tell a joke I dare you. No not those you share with your buddies. It has to be clean.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 2:58 pm on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1314

    Hey Stanny, ya feelin a little "bull goose looney" today? I'm still waitin for ya to 'splain something to me as you promised. Loose monetary policies kill? please explain.
    You say "Obama has done nothing to protect the wealth of those who have accumulated it through honest efforts. Explain "honest efforts" and if it applies to Wall street robber barons? Does that apply to oil companies who raise the price of gas and derive excessive profits not from effort but specuilation? Are you talking about medical costs going up because someone decided a bandaid (to name one item) was worth 50 dollars (necessary to your profit line)? Does it apply to Halliburton who was paid millions for services never delivered? Do these have anything to do with "inflationary monetary policy?" Are we experiencing inflation now and people aren't protected? How do you tell inflation from recovery? Did you hear we created over 236,000 new jobs and the unemployment rate is now down to 7.7% and the Dow keeps hitting new highs just last week? Is this killing the people least able to protect themselves? You mentioned insanity you highlighted in your post but nothing really stands out. I think we agree the crazies have done enough but I don't think we are talking about the same crazies.

     
  • stan taves posted at 10:29 am on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

    Stan Taves Posts: 306

    C'mon Wally, let's get it on -- oh that's right, you've got nothing.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 9:32 am on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1334

    FYI: He also stole "planet pop-tart" and "President Pinnocchio" as well.

    Prior to his copy and paste, he probably didn't even know there was an "article 1, section 9, clause 8" in the Constitution.

    Does it seem normal to accept advice and assessment of constitutional meaning from someone who doesn't realize that who ever he stole "sophmoric" from, misspelled it? It is actually spelled "sophomoric".

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:15 am on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2963

    F.Y.I. Mike... The sophmoric ad hominem dribble doesn't change the D.C. Circuit Court's decision or make the 16 page DOJ Memo disappear...
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:04 am on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2963

    It's a conspiracy! LOL [lol] The last part of the link doesn't appear...[lol]

    _DOJ_White_Paper.pdf

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:03 am on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2963

    http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:57 am on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2963

    I was hoping you might do your own research into the matter by simply typing "16 page DOJ Mermo" into your favorite browser.

    Apparently that didn't happen.[sleeping]

    Here is the complete link:

    http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 9:19 pm on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1075

    [lol]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 7:37 pm on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1314

    The link doesn't seem to work at least on my computer.

     
  • stan taves posted at 7:14 pm on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    Stan Taves Posts: 306

    Let me explain something to you Tommy: People are dieing because of the loose monetary policy that Obama clearly advocates. I do realize that his leftist Keynesian cohorts have been around since long before Obama was conceived by his loser father and commie mother. That said, Obama has done nothing to protect the wealth of those who have accumulated it through honest efforts. In other words, when wealth is stolen, through inflationary monetary policy, then those least able to protect themselves become victims of the insanity that I have highlighted. Then they die! Of course Obama -- and the leftist maniacs he aligns himself with -- is quick to say that the injustices are easily rectified with more legislation generated from the center. Stop already! haven't the crazies done enough already?

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:25 pm on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1334

    Eric, Thomas, Jeff: You know by now that liebich doesn't come up with this stuff on his own. He uses only what he can copy and paste of conspiracy web sites, mostly infowars.com. He claims to be associated with alex jones, but that could mean he just listens to the broadcast over and over and pretends to work there.

    I especially like it when he finds (on infowars or some other conspiracy site) some real thing he can point to like the Library of Congress, but when you go there, you can see the statement or information he copied is taken out of context and doesn't even apply to what ever hair-brained scheme he has heard about.

    Honestly, he is about the last person who should be attempting to quote the Constitution as I'm fairly certain he doesn't understand a word of it. There was someone else here who once claimed to be some sort of Constitutional expert and when I asked him a question he had to go look it up. He also didn't know that a certain amendment even existed.

    Just ignore him. He's one of the LNS chosen few who say what ever they want, insult us all, and get away with it.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:42 pm on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2963

    http://www.infowars.com/cheney-admits-that-he-lied-about-911/

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 4:27 pm on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mrh: Exactly...msn proposed, thought, fronted, gelled, brought forth, speculated, conspired, frosted, pancaked, pulled....all of her information. What happened? NOTHING...who said it would??? BO. As I said he lied, is lying and will continue to lie...it is the people who listen without questions that are the problem. I will at least say you care enough to write to the paper. Not that I agree with much of what you say...but at least you TRY.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 4:08 pm on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1449

    The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

    Shakespeare

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 4:08 pm on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2963

    Mr. Barrow, According to the unanimous decision by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit President Pinnocchio violated the Constitution when he bypassed the Senate to fill vacancies on a labor relations panel.
    [sleeping]
    Mr. Tillett, Why do we have an Ambassador to the UN just as we do to other foreign States?
    [sleeping]
    Mr. Heuer, The following 16-page memo was just released by Obama’s lawyers in the Department of Justice. http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf
    The memo puts forth a “legal justification” for the President to order the drone assassination of any American citizen he names — anytime, anywhere, for any reason. This new power claimed by the President has no basis in federal law or the Constitution. It is an invented power of absolute tyranny.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 3:47 pm on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1314

    Again this is your problem Pat, you failed to read my post before you decided to type off the wall. I criticized the choice of words not the allegation. I would never deny that a politician didn't speak in absolute truth. As you know all poiticians are prone to fabrication in an effort to promote the greatest number of diverse votes. Surely you remember your efforts to garner votes. You have never portrayed yourself here as a beacon of truth.

    Now who died as a result of Obamacare? Whos lives have been upturned by Obamacare? Who lost body parts as a result of Obamacare? How many people suffer PTSD as a result of Obamacare? This was the vicious and destructive difference I alluded to in my post which illustrated there are lies that may not be totally factual and there are lies as we heard going to war in Iraq: vicious and destructive. A Politician not speaking total truth is not a question that should be pondered or evoke any surprise, it is a given as especially you should know. The consequences of the failure to disclose completely may have consequences described as destructive or vicious (Iraq war (my belief)) or referred to as an inconvenient reality (Obamacare (not my belief)).

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 2:13 pm on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 439

    Ms. Erickson: I am not part of the far right and have never listened to Mr. Blow Hard or Rush if you prefer, so a soap box will not be needed, not that the far left is any better. After looking at who has the most listened to radio program, perhaps you should be carefull who you call a hate monger. Depending on who you want to believe, Rush has a following of anywhere from 13 to 20 million listeners on a daily basis. Thats alot of hate to spread around, come to think of it, there`s alot of dislike on this subject refering to Sam Wests letter. It`s nice to stay netural and watch the mud, though there are different words other than mud being tossed around. In my opinion Imus is the best as he could care less if you like him or hate him. The work for children that is done at his ranch shows he is good man, though at time he is still rough around the edges. He has come full circle, even has a black comedian as part of his cast. So I would suggest in taking some of your own advise, lighten up. [beam]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:01 pm on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1314

    Once again thank you Jeff.
    I get wearyof trying to decipher Andrews posts to determine if there is anything truely to get worked up about. There seldom is. Or I am lax in spending hours to find the little tid bits to add another Obama dig that is of little consequence. Even though he claims to be a constitutionalist (you have to assume that translates to having a knowledge of the constitution) he is like so many constitution thumping people that learn the specific words like trees in a forest but then fail to grasp the forest of principles. The constitution (ie founders) would frown more on secret filabusters and campaighn financing than a president serving on the UN security council. They didn't want tyranny to thwart the peoples course of governance. This also included the people themselves who were suspect in forming tyranical coalitions to bring down the government. Hmmm the tea partiers come to mind.

    And yes I know what Thomas Jefferson advocated but it is highly improbable we could find acceptable compromise today.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 11:23 am on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mrh: Mr West stated a fact....what he quoted was exactly what bo said. Period. It was a lie then, it is a lie now and will be a lie until the law is changed. People who live off the gov dole could care less that he lied...it does not effect them. Does it?

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 11:20 am on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mse: Please specify who these far right lodians are...I am a moderate who happens to read three newspapers a day, listens to the "senate" speak on issues, follows political thought and have been elected to and served on 9 different school boards with lefties and righties (all did quite well), helped get funding for and build three schools, renovated an existing one to the tune of nearly $20M, coached for over 30 years, both sports and life skills...have donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to charities, scholarships, time and causes including to Rape Crisis centers, WEAVE, Battered Women's Homes, Habitat for Humanity, B/G Clubs, Homeless Shelters, Veteran's Organizations, sports programs and a host of other groups. Come to think of it (epiphany)... I AM a TYPICAL rightie.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 10:37 am on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 539

    the UN is not a foreign state.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 10:27 am on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 442

    [scared]Oh my, singer, songwriter Nina Gordon may have been right when she suggested to me that God might be a woman.[lol][beam]

     
  • CATHERINE ERICKSON posted at 9:44 am on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    FRITZY9 Posts: 17

    All of you far right lodians...try turning off Rush for a few days or a few weeks...you'll have a better day, weeks and life. He is a hate monger and if anyone is lying it is him. Do some reading for yourself...before you get on a soap box in the Lodi News and make fools of yourselves. Knowledge is the key to understanding. Not listening to some blow hard who just spouts lies to make billions of dollars. Get a real life....

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:30 am on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1449

    What no you tube clip to support you newest conspiracy theory. How can I possible believe you without a you tube clip.

     
  • Simon Birch posted at 8:22 am on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    Simon Birch - Online Manager Posts: 149 Staff

    Mike: I can customize the profanity filter, and I have done so to allow variations of the name Van Dyke. Perhaps next time you encounter a problem you could do as other commenters have done and send me an email politely pointing out the changes that need to be made to the filter.

     
  • Frederick Goethel posted at 6:39 am on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    Frederick Goethel Posts: 50

    The use of "hospitalists" has been going on for a while. Supposedly, they are specialists in the care of patients admitted to the hospital. Several years ago I was admitted to a local hospital for dehydration caused by a stomach ailment.

    The first thing I did was ask that they contact my cardiologist, who happens to be an attending in the same hospital. They ignored me, as they did my request to call my GI specialist. We raised hell, but got no where. The use of these doctors is a disaster waiting to happen. When my cardiologist found out whast happened, he pulled my chart and went and had a "chat" with the hospitalist.

    They are not part of the ACA or a result of it. They have been around prior to that time. And, if I ever get admitted there again, my wife is going to visit my doctors and let them know I am there so I can get proper care.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:01 am on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2963

    Just one of many...

    President Pinnocchio has flagrantly violated article 1, section 9, clause 8 of the Constitution by accepting rotating status as chairman of the United Nations Security Council.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 7:02 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1314

    Mr West said "Two of the most destructive, vicious and intentional lies of many our president has told." I have a hard time equating Obamacare (ACA) with "destructive " and "vicious". Now "destructive " and "vicious" is a more apt description of the lies (intentional) of the Bush/Cheny group leading us to war in Iraq where there was ample destruction and vicious killing of both our troops and Iraqi citizens.

    Now Obama is a god family man, never been arrested goes to church and is liked by most who know him. Now you can dislike him because he is a democrat or left leaning politically but the vitrolic hatred is unwarented. After all a majority of the country elected him so your hateful opinion is bereft of substance and lacking evidence.

    And the president is very knowledgable about the constitution and that is why he signed Obamacare into law after congress passed it.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:22 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1334

    This is such a sad commentary. Maybe if I copied and pasted stuff or just got all my information off the internet and played along, I wouldn't get flagged for non-existent profanity.

    Give me a break.

    Or get a better program.

    You've only got a few liberals left who participate or subscribe.
    You would think you would want to keep them happy since they are the ones with disposable income. But not here. Nope.
    All right wing republican concepts and values. The more strange, the better.

    That's our Lodi News Sentinel.
    Sorry, it's a private business, un-restrained by law or decency, it's YOUR Lodi News Sentinel

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:18 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1334

    So you can't say "Richard VanDyke"

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:17 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1334

    Nice modern profanity screen Simon and who ever the editor is.
    You can't even write the nickname of someone named Richard
    as in "richard van _____"

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:16 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1334


    To bad Bush 43 thought he was a king and not a president. And Richard (dead eye) Chenny was Mr. Potter in "It's a Wonderful Life".
    It's good to see the warped old man on TV these days complaining about Obama. It really helps remind us that we are so lucky nothing happened to Bush 43. Maybe Chenny couldn't get him to go quail hunting with him.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:15 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1334

    All the Democrats who voted for action did so because the White House dumped mounds of "evidence" (what Powell referred to as bull ) and without any evidence to the contrary, had to go along.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:14 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1334

    The fact is (and the right will dispute this), Bush, Chenney, Rumsfield all knew that Sadam H had no nuclear capability what so ever, and if it existed still, only limited biological and chemical weapons. He was not a threat to us or anyone else in the region. Their informants were a mixture of liars, complainers, malcontents, and people who just wanted to pretend they knew something (which they didn't) when really, most of the intel they gave us was made up. The White House knew this. They also knew Sadam had nothing to do with 9/11, yet time and time again, Chenney insisted on linking the 2.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:14 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1334

    Colin Powell refused to present the first draft of the UN presentation. He said "I'm not reading this, this is bull ". It was only after many changes that Powell got on board.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:00 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    You need to learn the difference between a "promise" and an investigation.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:28 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1314

    Thaks Eric, good points.
    MR Kinderman can say the Bush years are water under the bridge but the fact of the matter is they are still with us in continuous lies. Conservatives can't stop the lies including Obama is a foreigner, Obamacare is bad, climate change isn't man made, women are immune to pregnancy when raped, banks had nothing to do with the financial collapse (it was all government), Obama sanctioned the killings in Bengazi, Obama wants to take all guns away, and the litany goes on and on. And they keep getting trapped in their lies when predicting the will of the people deciding elections (winding up very wrong) and Bill O'Reily calling Alan Combs(?sp) a liar (which he has since appologized) because he was still operating on the right wings mythology points about WH spending cuts as Alan tried to give him some facts of reality. So for conservatives to say oh for gosh darn sakes Bush was old stuff it really isn't.It continues on to this day. Nothing has changed from the right wing political creative writing machine. When can you believe a conservative? I really don't know.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:35 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1449

    It can't be old news because it was never news and it was never a fact that Saddam possessed WMDs many experts have supported this. CIA operatives were ousted to protect the myths created by Bush and Chaney Former CIA Director George Tenet in his own 2007 memoir "There was never a serious debate that I know of within the administration about the imminence of the Iraqi threat," he wrote. Nor "was there ever a significant discussion" about the possibility of containing Iraq without an invasion. Bush simply went to war to get Saddam and lied to the American people to accomplish this.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 3:20 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 439

    Joanne-- I feel sorry for anyone that has to speak very loudly or obnoxiously to get through to medical personal. If that be the case, it is most likely those people in the medical profession do not belong there, perhaps working the docks in Oakland. I am most fortunate to have very competent doctors in the fields that matter to me most. My PCP, along with my GI and Urologist are the kind of doctors that listen to what I came to see them for in the first place. All records are on my personal disk, with a password, and a code they can look up my records going back many years. I can only hope that Obama doesn`t monkey around and mess up a very good medical system.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:34 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    This sounds like a simple case of someone's "friend" not being able to open her mouth and demanding proper care and communication with her PCP. If a patient or patient's family/friends cannot speak up for them, then they can only expect substandard treatment.

    Having a HUGE amount of experience during the past 6 years with my husband's health issues, you had better believe that EVERYTHING is discussed - even if one has to speak very loudly and obnoxiously in order to get through to medical personnel.


     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 2:10 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2323

    Mr. Weisenberg, you can keep looking over your shoulder at Bush and the Iraq War situation all you want. The "fact" is that at the time it was decided to go to war, it was concluded that Saddam Hussein did in fact possess WMD's. Colin Powell believed that as well. But this is old news.

    With the ObamaCare situation, we're in an active situation borne of lies, deceptions, bribes and all manner of chicanery to get that bill passed into law. We can't change what happened with Bush and the Iraq War - we most certainly CAN and SHOULD change what is currently being foisted upon us as a result of ObamaCare.

    Nevertheless, you're free to continue to blame Bush. I would only suggest that by doing so does no good. And while I understand that it might be fruitless to keep trying to reverse this travesty of a health-care law, I do hope by continuing to try, at least parts of it might be reversed before it's too late for all of us.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:45 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1449

    The point seems to be that Obamacare will not force anyone to switch insurance I think that is what Obama was talking about. Jeff can imagine if Obama had forced employers to keep their current policies the right would have surely called foul. It really makes no difference what he does many on the right will nitpick and ignore the larger picture that the economy continues to improve and more people are realizing the benefits of Obamacare.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 1:24 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 539

    I agree with your sentiments about doing what's right by constituencies rather than PACs (or special interest groups). I don't agree with your allusion of this president (or others) as a king.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 1:17 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 539

    So, you agree, that the ACA will not be any different as to which insurance plan(s) your employer offers, and subsequently the doctor you can visit.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 1:15 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 539

    what does all this "hospitalist" have to do with the ACA? sounds like something that could ha[[en with for-profit medical care.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 12:18 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 469

    A friend of mine recently went in to the hospital and was attended to by a "hospitalist" her doctor was not seen by her, nor was medical information shared with her "hospitalist" from her doctor. Thank goodness it was not life threatening but there were numerous things overlooked, such as a potassium level issue she has with some medication she takes, and ahd her doctor been included in any decision making, or at least consulted, the mixup would nbot have happened. You folks can throw partisan remarks back and forth between you alll day long but it is not c=going to change anything..The American people were deceived with Obamacare. Plain and simple. Pure fact.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 12:13 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 469

    From Factcheck.org-
    The ‘Keep Your Plan’ Promise

    Obama addressed the nation on June 28, shortly after the Supreme Court revealed its ruling on the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. In his comments, he quickly repeated one of his favorite, if false, talking points.

    Obama, June 28: If you’re one of the more than 250 million Americans who already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance. This law will only make it more secure and more affordable.

    As we’ve said before, the president simply can’t make this promise. While the law does build on the U.S. system of primarily work-based coverage, the nonpartisan CBO has consistently said there will be some movement among those who currently have coverage.

    The CBO has estimated that at least a few million Americans with employer-based insurance will in fact not be able to keep their current plans, and there’s nothing in the law that would prohibit employers from switching health care plans, just as they could before the law was passed. Also, the president’s 250 million figure includes everyone in the U.S. with insurance — the latest estimate from the Census Bureau is that 256.2 million Americans have health insurance. But those who buy private coverage on their own — 30.1 million persons — may have to get a new plan if theirs doesn’t cover minimum benefit standards, which are yet to be determined. Plus, the insurance carriers offering these policies can change the plans without the policyholders’ blessing. The CBO has estimated that by 2016, 2 million fewer persons will get coverage through the individual market.

    Let’s look at employer-based coverage, since that’s how most Americans (55 percent of those with insurance) get their policies. The latest CBO report on this topic found that under the most likely scenario, 3 million to 5 million fewer workers would get health insurance through their employers than would be the case without the law, from 2019 to 2022. Some of those employees would make the switch voluntarily, choosing “to obtain coverage from another source,” CBO said.

    Furthermore, Obama can’t promise that employers won’t switch or drop plans, just as they could do before the law was enacted. The truth is that the power to keep a work-based insurance plan is largely out of the control of the worker. Large businesses, any with 51 or more employees, will have to pay a penalty under the law if they don’t offer coverage, and that penalty is $2,000 per full-time worker, excluding the first 30 workers. But that doesn’t mean that some employers won’t choose to pay the penalty, especially if their workers get low wages and can get federally subsidized insurance through the exchanges. Small employers can also get coverage through the state-based exchanges, so some could switch to those plans, meaning that their employees would not keep their current plan

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 11:59 am on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 539

    you mean, 'You can't "handle" the truth!'? close enough.

    What was all the rest of that supposed to mean?

     
  • Bob Weisenberg posted at 11:51 am on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    whtmtns Posts: 5

    Promises made like there was WMD in Iraq? Or that OBL was connected to Saddam Hussein? Promises like that? These guys (and gals) of both parties are thieves and liars with no interest in you or your needs. Their word is not their bond.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 11:49 am on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 439

    Mr. Maurer: I do remember what Teddy Roosevelt said, you had most of it right, Teddy said, Speak softly, not talk softly. Close enough.

    Jeff Tillete dropped the hammer on his so called elite, as in the film A few Good Men, when Jack Nickelson stated You can`t stand the truth, seems most posting feel the same way.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 10:32 am on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 442

    Jeff, I'm referring to ALL lifelong politicians on both sides of the aisle, who are career politicians and have little knowledge of the working class world since they do not have jobs, and only follow party lines, instead of doing what is right by ALL the citizens and not their PAC constituency.

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 9:56 am on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    advocate Posts: 499

    These letters and some commenters are giving me the assumption that the Sentinel is encouraging their own "Faux" news network with the same old right wing obstructionists who give their party a bad name with the tripe they constantly spew.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 9:34 am on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 539

    "the self appointed elite"... to whom were you refering? Rush Limbaugh, Grover Norquist, or Glenn Beck?

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 9:33 am on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 539

    Sam thank you for illustrating a false analogy. Next can you demonstrate a straw man?

    And as a friend noted, this really is a false false analogy. In setting up your false analogy, you used a falsehood, inferring that the ACA will not allow you to keep your doctor.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 8:57 am on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 442

    Remember Teddy Roosevelt's philosophy? "Talk softly and carry a big stick." Obama is doing that in spades.One day the king will fall down and lose his crown and find himself naked as well as those who endorse his policies and can't figure out why people who do the jobs that the self appointed elite won't, are expresseng their chagrin.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:30 am on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1449

    Having to change doctors is destructive? If this is as bad as it gets than I guess we are in pretty good shape.
    The problem with Rubio's speech is that he looked completely un-presidential in his little speech just after Obama spoke eloquently ( you may not like him but he is an eloquent speaker) for over an hour. The left requires a certain amount of dignity out of its leaders and expects them to be up to task of speaking on the world stage the right seems more concerned that they exude rugged individualism. Rubio did neither I don't think it will cost him a shot in the primaries but I do think clips of that speech will be used against him.

     
  • Treacy Elliott posted at 8:14 am on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 63

    please cite non ultra right wing sources that prove your allegation

     

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