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Posted: Saturday, September 29, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 5:26 am, Sat Sep 29, 2012.

Please read Amendment IV of the Bill of Rights: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

The FISA Amendments Act of 2008 was signed into law by former U.S. President George W. Bush to enable intelligence agencies to conduct surveillance without having to obtain court approvals. Good-bye, Fourth Amendment.

I think they did it because they do not want to listen to American citizens tell them how to do their job. Just let the warnings to Bush prior to 9/11 be your guide.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation has filed a lawsuit seeking details about government surveillance of Americans homes, email and telephone calls. There have been millions of dollars in settlements so far because this is true — even as TSA agents grope our grandparents and children at airports. It seems government can do whatever they want these days.

The U.S. House of Representatives has voted today to approve the FISA extension by five years. Again, Republicans and Democrats lead the way to taking away citizens' rights in the name of so-called terror.

You are slowly losing your rights while you argue about which party is better. The reality is it's "us" versus "them." Vote them all out before it is too late!

Jerry Bransom

Lodi

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28 comments:

  • Mike Adams posted at 5:32 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1372

    And I didn't have to look it up, copy and paste it.

    As for a little trivia of that night: Although the published course of the 727 between Seattle and Reno, I'm quite certain this particular aircraft, or a lessor posibility - chase aircraft, actually flew over Lodi instead of the published route. I saw a Boeing 727 flying east at low altitude at roughly the time it would have been flying over Lodi.
    How do I know? 1. I know planes and can tell a 727 from a DC 9 which at the time was about the same size of a 727. 2. In 20 years (at the time), I had never seen a
    commercial plane (or military for that matter) fly east, at low altitude, at night or during the day. 3. It was stormy that night, or at least some rain that night, this would have been a safer, although lower altitude to jump from.

    The pilots and the remaining stewardess remained in the cabin 'till they landed in Reno. They report hearing and feeling a bump somewhere over WA or OR. but that doesn't mean he jumped then. I remember, in the discussion at that time, that there was some concern about landing with the rear stairs extended.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:37 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1372

    For those who don't quite know aircraft like I do..... Jumping from a 727 is generally only possible through the rear door with the stairs under the #2 engine (the motor in the tail).

    Shortly after "Dan Cooper's" successful leap and a copy cat or two, FFA ordered those doors sealed while in-flight.

    It is possible to open the side doors at low altitude (very difficult) or if the plane is depressurized (easir).

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:55 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Atta boy Mike...

    Your first non- ad hominem post and you are 100% correct. Almost.

    DB Cooper was able to open the door because the aircraft was unpressurized.
    [sleeping]

    Richard McCoy, Jr., a former Army Green Beret, hijacked a United Airlines 727 after it left Denver, Colorado, diverted it to San Francisco, then bailed out over Utah. He landed safely, but was arrested two days later. How did he open the door Mike?

    Frederick Hahneman hijacked an Eastern Airlines 727 in Allentown, Pennsylvania and eventually parachuted into Honduras, his country of birth. A month later, with the FBI in pursuit and a $25,000 bounty on his head, he surrendered to the U.S. Embassy in Tegucigalpa. How did he open the door Mike?

    Robb Dolin Heady, a paratrooper on board a United Airlines 727 jumped into darkness near Lake Washoe, about 25 miles south of Reno. Police found Heady's car (sporting a U.S. Parachute Association bumper sticker) parked near the lake and arrested him as he returned to it the next morning. How did he open the door Mike?

    My point was, a TSA grope obviously can’t stop a dope. I'll give you an A for effort though Mike. You for once, actually took the time to educate and inform yourself.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:01 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1372

    I really enjoy the Sacramento Bee.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:00 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1372

    And waiting.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:00 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1372

    Waiting.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 4:59 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1372

    Well LNS? What's the hold up?

    I don't have to subscribe to the LNS.

    Post that momentarily.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 4:53 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1372

    FYI: Doors on pressurized air craft are all but impossible to open at altitude.

    The door opens in. The cabin is at a much higher pressure than the outside air.

    The higher the plane flies creates an increasing amount of pressure, pushing the door even more tightly to the fuselage.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:49 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The FISA ammendment wasn't something any of us were permitted to vote on. [sleeping]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:14 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Kinderman stated...Sadly, most Americans simply don't vote; and a large majority of those who do cast their ballots (even faithfully) often study very little about those we trust with our very lives and freedoms...

    I agree that most people do not know what they are voting for. If you watch TV, both sides manipulate and distort what each bill is and does. News stations tell us what to think about a bill.

    That is why before I vote, I read each bill I vote on provided in the back of the voters guide. I skip the first half of this guide as it only has people telling us that they think is in the bill.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:59 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    How can something so elementary leave you so dumbfounded?

    Read Amendment IV of the Bill of Rights:

    "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against , unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

    The TSA has NO probable cause nor are their searches supported by Oath or affirmation. Your insinuation that we are going to them instead of them coming to us is simply absurd.The 4th ammendment is the 4th ammendment. It doesn't read...The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against , unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated except by the TSA, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause excluding the TSA, supported by Oath or affirmation exempting the TSA, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized unless it's the TSA.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:46 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I can lead you to knowledge but I can't make you think.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:26 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1433

    This internment thing is hard to digest in the amount of time I allow myself to "digest" it. What does this have to do with anything?

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 7:54 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1991

    Since when is FLYING covered by the 4th ammendment? That is what I have been saying from the start but you are unable to undserstand that. I'll type slow so maybe you'll get it:


    FLYING IS NOT A RIGHT!

    You are right illegal search is against the 4th amendment. And if the TSA was waiting outside your house (or coming in) to search you that would be one thing, but that is NOT what is happening. In order to fly you take on known and ACCEPTED AS LEGAL security protocols to keep you and others safe. So, once again, if you don't like it DON'T FLY. Then your sensitivities would be preserved.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:24 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    As a candidate for president in 2008, Barack Obama promised to revisit and revise the rules of FISA to protect Americans’ rights, after he had voted for the bill as a Senator. However, as president, Obama has continued where president Bush left off in calling for extending the legislation and even actively preventing any judicial oversight of the wiretapping program.

    The domestic spying program was first disclosed by The New York Times in December 2005, and the government subsequently admitted that the the National Security Agency was eavesdropping on Americans’ telephone calls without warrants if the government believed the person on the other line was overseas and associated with terrorism. Further news investigations found that the government had secretly enlisted the help of major U.S. telecoms, including AT&T, to spy on Americans’ phone and internet communications without getting warrants as required by the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

    Parts of the surveillance program were so egregious that the upper echelon of the Justice Department, including then-Attorney General John Ashcroft, threatened to resign. Congress, with the vote of President Barack Obama — who was an Illinois senator at the time — subsequently legalized much of the warrantless spying in the summer of 2008. The legislation also provided the nation’s telecommunication companies immunity from lawsuits accusing them of being complicit with the government’s warrantless wiretapping.

    In a 301-118 vote, the House of Representatives, on September 12, 2012, passed an amendment that would extend the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). Originally set to expire at the end of 2012, the bill’s extension would give the highly-secretive US Intelligence gathering National Security Administration nearly unlimited communication surveillance capabilities, allowing the snooping of emails and phone conversations until 2017.

    WAKE-UP!

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:51 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The 4th ammendment was a right. You couldn't be more wrong.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 3:29 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1991

    Flying is not a right. If you don;t like it then DON'T fly, that is your right. Take your car.

    I guess I shouldn't expect better from someone who defends cop killers

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:44 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Allowing the TSA to violate the 4th ammendment is as absurd as believing you are safer as a result of the TSA molestation. For example:

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/report-woman-got-loaded-gun-past-tsa-141712196.html

    P.S. Can a TSA molestation stop a "maniac" from simply opening a door at 32,000 feet? [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:26 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The document, entitled FM 3-39.40 Internment and Resettlement Operations (PDF) was originally released on a restricted basis to the DoD in February 2010, but has now been leaked online.

    http://info.publicintelligence.net/USArmy-InternmentResettlement.pdf

    DIGEST THIS TRUTH MS.BOBIN![sleeping]

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 10:48 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1991

    From the letter: There have been millions of dollars in settlements so far because this is true — even as TSA agents grope our grandparents and children at airports.

    Andrew I am begining to understand why you think everyone else is sleeping. Because YOU don't even take the time to UNDERSTAND what people are talking about before you make obscure judgements based on what they said.

    Yes, I know the letter was about FISA extenstions, but there was ALSO a jab at TSA, THAT was what I was responding to. Try understanding before you respond, it will help, trust me.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:21 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1433

    Sorry I meant of corse Steve

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:20 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1433

    Mike said it al here and I agree

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:08 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Well, now we know."

    What?

    I see that we have all been put into FEMA re-education camps, the US Constitution has been thrown in the trash, the US is now a socialist nation.....

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 4:03 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2308

    While I completely agree with Kevin regarding the TSA, Jerry is spot on regarding wiretaps without warrants. Sadly, the one thing the elites of both parties seem to agree on these days is their desire to strip Americans of their right to privacy. President Bush was wrong to push for this policy, President Obama was wrong in maintaining it and Mitt Romney is wrong for supporting the status quo.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:29 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    To a large degree I agree with Mr. Bransom that it's "us versus them, "them" being those with the awesome power to dictate how we should live our lives. This notion of "life liberty and pursuit of happiness" seems to have lost its luster since the Declaration of Independence was penned over two centuries ago.

    But in the final analysis it's really "us versus us" as We the People are responsible for who wins these elections. Sadly, most Americans simply don't vote; and a large majority of those who do cast their ballots (even faithfully) often study very little about those we trust with our very lives and freedoms. Indeed, the 2008 Presidential Election should be a stark reminder – Barack Hussein Obama was given the keys to the White House after virtually no understanding of who he was. The nation was so revved up over the idea of the first black president that we forgot to do our jobs - namely checking out his resume.

    We relied upon the media to do that for us and of course they were as enamored over this idea as most of the people (that tingle up our collective legs, remember?).

    Well, now we know. So what are we going to do about it? After four long years of no leadership at all, I can only be hopeful that this lesson has been learned. All we need are people who care more about where we are going than their free ObamaPhones. I often think of Henrietta Hughes and wonder if she’s better off than when she made her pitiful (and pathetic) pleas to newly elected President Barack Hussein Obama.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:13 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mr. Bransom's letter is about the FISA extension. [sleeping]

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 9:48 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1991

    Was going to make a joke, but then I read the TSA part.

    Flying is NOT a right. You are accepting the terms of flight. Part of those terms are that you have to pass security to get on a flight. If you don't want to go through security tthen you are always welcome to take a car to all your destinations. But when other peoples lives are at risk from maniacs that want to blow us up just because of the country we live in then security measures are needed.

    You don't like it, drive a car and stop whining

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:08 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Excellent letter Mr. Branson. [thumbup]

     

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