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Posted: Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:00 am

The loss of insurance of individuals in California alone has now reached 1 million-plus. The president and his Democratic colleagues have been caught in lie after lie, and now with Obamacare, they have twisted, manipulated and lied trying to cover up the lies that came before to the point it makes your head spin.

Any rational person would come to the conclusion that these people either are the most inept people on earth or just plain liars. And yet, with all the evidence coming in that this administration has lied, they still have people believing in them. Why? Because liberalism is very compelling to those who need the village to take care of them and are unwilling to accept personal responsibility, or they just surrendered their liberties to the state in return for sustenance because of bad fortune or laziness.

Liberalism is a false religion based on fantasies of great social plans that are impossible to accomplish in the real world; for they totally ignore the difficulties involved in these vast undertakings and that individuals are complex and no centralized government can possibly know what’s best for every one of us.

In Plato’s “Republic” he tells us of a champion that will appear, the citizen’s protector and great panderer of the people that Plato warns will become obsessed with power, the consolidation of power, and the preservation of power, who eventually loses sight of the common people and sees only himself.

He finally seizes absolute power as a political tyrant, turning Plato’s utopian city into the most miserable of cities. Plato could well be describing Obama. Misery is liberalism’s by-product.

Ron Portal

Lodi

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58 comments:

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:29 pm on Fri, Nov 22, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Are persons marginally attached to the labor force who currently are neither working nor looking for work but indicate that they want and are available for a job and have looked for work sometime in the past 12 months employed?

    No. They are UNEMPLOYED.

    Are discouraged workers, a subset of the marginally attached, that have given a job-market related reason for not currently looking for work employed?

    No. They are UNEMPLOYED.

    What part of UNEMPLOYED do you not understand?

     
  • Treacy Elliott posted at 8:29 am on Thu, Nov 21, 2013.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 71

    Here is a better description:

    NOTE: Persons marginally attached to the labor force are those who currently are neither working nor looking for work but indicate that they want and are available for a job and have looked for work sometime in the past 12 months. Discouraged workers, a subset of the marginally attached, have given a job-market related reason for not currently looking for work. Persons employed part time for economic reasons are those who want and are available for full-time work but have had to settle for a part-time schedule.


    Let us know if you need assistance in understanding

     
  • Treacy Elliott posted at 8:27 am on Thu, Nov 21, 2013.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 71

    try reading and comprehending more than the first two words:

    U-6 Total unemployed, plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force, plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force

    To assist you in understanding the above. It is total number of unemplolyed, plus people that work seasonal or are looking for full but are working part time and people that were looking for work but stopped looking

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:11 am on Thu, Nov 21, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Anarchism is considered a radical left-wing ideology. [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:13 pm on Wed, Nov 20, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    U-6 = The total number of unemployed. [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:04 pm on Wed, Nov 20, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Larry Klayman, graduated from Duke University with honors in political science and French literature. He received a law degree from Emory University and he speaks four languages...English, French, Italian, and Spanish. He founded Judicial Watch and Freedom Watch and is known for his strong public interest advocacy in furtherance of ethics in government and individual freedoms and liberties.

    TEA Party Lunatic-in-chief? Huh? HE'S A LAWYER!

    During his tenure at Judicial Watch, Klayman obtained a court ruling that Bill Clinton committed a crime, the first lawyer ever to have done so against an American president.
    [sleeping]

    During the Ronald Reagan administration, Klayman was a prosecutor in the United States Justice Department and was on the trial team that succeeded in breaking up the telephone monopoly of AT&T.
    [sleeping]

    Klayman is currently representing families of members of Navy SEAL Team 6.
    [sleeping]


     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 5:26 pm on Wed, Nov 20, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1416

    [thumbup] [beam]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 5:22 pm on Wed, Nov 20, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1416

    Ms Bobin
    How could you be on anyones sh.. list in an intellectual forum such as this where the written word and stimulating ideas should be held sacred. You are one of the foremost intellects to grace these pages. You are well researched but even your off the cuff additions reflect someone who is well informed. You recognize shoddy and misinforming comments from others and offer a better insight to the issues. I'm sure you must be in error about your standing with the LNS censors for surely they must recognize what a boon you are to this forum. In the 60s we use to say tell it like it is. It seems in this day and age it is more like tell it like Rush or Fox or Beck or Ted Cruz said to say it. Anyway I thank you for telling it like it is. I am ever your ardent fan.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 2:56 pm on Wed, Nov 20, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1416

    Joe
    The Tea Party has done nothing but elect those that would shut down the government, destroy the economy, perpetuate hatred for minorities, essentially taking down our government in the name of saving it. The same thing they say about social security, destroy it to save it. The Tea Party talks a good game about jobs but do nothing. All the Tea Party is concerned about is ending womens reproductive rights. Rand Paul feels that anyone who has a business should be able to discriminate against anyone and deny them service. Do you see that in the constitution? I don't see that. The spirit of the constitution born from the enlightenment and centuries of monarchy oppression.

    TheTea Party promotes hatred for LGBT citizens by denying them full citizenship rights. They fight immigration reform because they fear further reductions in white populations. They have no sympathy or concern for the poor or downtrodden. Is that in your constitution as well. In destroying our government which is based on the constitution they are destroying our country to promote a Norman Rockwell America that never existed for many. They use the constitution as a weapon rather than read it and understand the principles it contains. Just as the Tea Parties conservative ancestors denied constitutional principles to blacks they brought over as slaves.

    They worship free markets as if business was altruistic. What can go wrong? There are no sharks in that water. There are no junk health care policies? There are no cars with gas tanks that explode. There are no crooked bankers. There are no resturants that would feed you bad food. There are no doctors that would do unnecessary surgeries on you. Oh yeah the market may correct but like the economic crash its a little too late for the victums. Its not like doctors don't protect bad doctors just like police protect their own even when they go bad. Can you free markets provide 100% employment. Decent raise a family employment. Or is it just those lucky few who succeed at the expense of others so they can feel they are special.
    No the Tea Party may have once thought that they were the noble defenders of the constitution but they have morphed into this evangelical conservative movement that finds the constitution a hindrance and want to wreck America to save it and start an America more to their liking. I find nothing noble or worthy in the Tea Party movement today. They are simply anarchists unmindful of what they are doing.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:49 pm on Wed, Nov 20, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    The moderator is VERY choosey about what he allows to be posted. If you're on the sh...t list, like me, your comments are rarely posted.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:48 pm on Wed, Nov 20, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    The TEA Party has been crying about "getting back to the principles of the Constitution" but they have displayed a complete lack of comprehension about what is actually in it and how it works.

    If you prefer this TEA Party Lunatic-in-chief, head to DC, Mr. Baxter, and join this TEA Party intellectual - Larry Klayman:

    "This “Reclaim America Now” demonstration, which he’s predicted would draw millions of protesters, will “peacefully and ultimately remove the tyrant evil fool in the White House, as well as corrupt Republican leaders like Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.”

    Klayman, whose lawsuit was dismissed against two newspapers that printed accusations made by his ex-wife, doesn’t specify exactly how his demonstration will compel the nation’s most powerful elected leaders to voluntarily leave office, but he mentions several times that the protest will be nonviolent and will include a reading of a second Declaration of Independence that he’s written.

    “If wise, the Mullah in Chief ultimately will retire to his favorite golf course in Tehran and the half-sober House speaker to his tanning salon in Georgetown,” Klayman writes.

    Once the president and top congressional leaders have been sent packing, Klayman writes, a group of right-wing activists will meet in a few weeks at Philadelphia’s City Tavern, where the first Continental Congress convened, to plan a new government."

    Please, let me know ASAP if you agree with this pap and I'll actually buy you a ticket so you can join the asylum.

     
  • Treacy Elliott posted at 12:41 pm on Wed, Nov 20, 2013.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 71

    your discussion revolved around the unemployment rate, not underemployed rate. Do you just look for information that supports your view. The fact a higher percentage of people are employed now then before. What would you rather have, people that have jobs and can contribute to the economy or people totally unemployed and taking away from the economy. You can't have your cake and eat it too

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:44 am on Wed, Nov 20, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    The Tea Party wants to get rid of the Constitution? Oh, my, did Chris Madsthews tell you that? Quite the contrary, the Tea Party wants our government to abide by the conscripts of the Constitution. Unbelievable the muck liberals spread in attempts to justify their actions.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:24 am on Wed, Nov 20, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1416

    Its hard to determine if your comment here is denied or just delayed posting.
    This seems to be promoting one way opinion dropping and discouraging two (or more) way dialoguing. Correct me if I misunderstand.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 7:41 am on Wed, Nov 20, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1416

    Reading bills? Obviously some have no idea how legislatures work. Thats why nobody knew what was in the "Patriot Act" when it was passed and why its now raised the concerns over eaves-dropping and privacy. The multiple rewrites, the midnight additions the last minute deals all make it near impossible to fully know how the the look and operation of major bills will manifest.

    Don't forget the first roll out of a constitution in this country, the "Articles of Confederation", was an absolute failure. The constitution itself took years of wrangling (and large bar bills) to get it straight. Even in modern times it has had adjustments. Its only the Tea Party who want to get rid of it all together along with the ACA.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:58 am on Wed, Nov 20, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    This chart is like counting only the deposits in my bank account, and ignorning all withdrawals. That would make me a billionaire. More worthless government published statistics aimed to make things look better than reality.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:46 pm on Tue, Nov 19, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [thumbup]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 7:25 pm on Tue, Nov 19, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1416

    Jerome
    I think the request was for proof not more off the cuff ranting.
    Reading bills? Obviously you have no idea how legislatures work. That's why nobody knew what was in the "Patriot Act" when it was passed.
    The multiple rewrites, the midnight additions the last minute deals all make it near impossible to fully know how the the look and operation of major bills will manifest.
    Don't forget the first roll out of a constitution in this country, the "Articles of Confederation", was an absolute failure. The constitution itself took years of wrangling (and large bar bills) to get it straight. Even in modern times it has had adjustments. Its only the Tea Partiers who want to get rid of it all together along with the ACA.
    You know its unfortunate that posts here can only be added during business hours. Must be hard for the working folks.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:08 pm on Tue, Nov 19, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    President Pinnocchio claimed just yesterday that 100 million Americans have already enrolled... I'm told that if you don't believe him it's Bush's fault and you are a racist.
    [lol]
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2509715/Obama-flubs-health-care-conference-community-organizers-More-100-million-Americans-successfully-enrolled.html

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:00 pm on Tue, Nov 19, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1111

    [thumbup]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 3:59 pm on Tue, Nov 19, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1111

    Wow...

    Phasers set to kill!!


    [lol]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:33 pm on Tue, Nov 19, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Is the bls.gov's own website wrong?[rolleyes]


    http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:36 pm on Tue, Nov 19, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2348

    Oh, there was plenty of proof going around three years ago to get that Affordable Healthcare Bill passed. Both Louisiana and Nebraska had enough chicanery to choke a dozen horses. (The Cornhusker Kickback ring a bell?) And what about the PROMISE to have the bill posted online for 72 hours prior to voting on it? Not reading the bill prior to voting on it by the majority of our legislators should have been enough proof to have them all impeached. These actions (or inactions) show an amount of innate dishonesty that should not be condoned. But the voters exhibited their complete lack of respect for not only their states and districts, but for themselves personally as well by letting them get away with such lack of integrity. Take Nancy Pelosi for instance - heck, all I need to is type her name out and that’s proof enough.

    Now we have absolute proof through the President’s lies (not errors, mistakes, or problems with the Teleprompter - just plain old fashioned LIES!). And still there are those who want to give him a pass: he should have been more specific!! I gag over such nonsense. Would we permit our children to offer such excuses when they’re caught telling lies? I would hope not. But when our CINC - the President of the United States of America is caught telling lies - well, that’s ok - it all depends on what the definition of “is” is right? What a world we’ve created for our progeny, huh? A wasteland of zero integrity. It must stop one day, else we might as well as burn the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, because they’ll mean nothing.

    Proof?!?! Yeah, we’ve got all the proof we need - all we have to do is open our eyes.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:14 pm on Tue, Nov 19, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    A graph/chart depicting a 1-month net change over a 10 year period for nonfarm related employees?

    Seriously? [lol]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:51 am on Tue, Nov 19, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    President Obama has repeatedly told Americans that his plan will NOT lead to the elimination of private health insurance.

    In other words...HE LIED. [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:32 am on Tue, Nov 19, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    It's always easy to tell when one is desperate to spew hate in this forum. All manner to made-up nonsense comes from this commenter in particular.

    "kickbacks, blackmail?" Really? YOU have absolute PROOF of these allegations, right?

    And let's not even discuss your comments on immigration. Totally ludicrous.

    Are YOU not getting enough of the benefits you believe you deserve? Are you jealous of what others are getting? That can be the only explanation for the nonsense you have written here.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:24 am on Tue, Nov 19, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Here are the statistics, Mr. Baxter. But of course YOU don't trust the US government, so you can believe or not.

    As the chart shows, jobs were in the toilet starting in 2007 when your paragon of great government, GW Bush was in charge, and began to rebound in 2009.

    NOT liberal "dumpster stew," as you love to describe anything that YOU don't agree with - but of course we know that your opinions are pretty worthless.

    http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:20 am on Tue, Nov 19, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Truth is apparently something you have not yet digested Treacy Elliott.

    U6 isn't an Irish rock band! [sleeping]

    http://www.bls.gov/webapps/legacy/cpsatab15.htm

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:16 am on Tue, Nov 19, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    It happens to be the truth. Really.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:23 pm on Mon, Nov 18, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    We can only hope. Maybe we can be like other countries who spend half as much on healthcare and have better results. You right wingers kill me with your defense of the American health industry and especially the corrupt and dishonest bloodsucking insurance companies. Do you ever look and see what the rest of the industrialized world does in this area? Half the cost, better results and everyone covered. I do not know why you enjoy the freedom of watching your neighbors suffer, die and go bankrupt needlessly and pay twice as much for the privilege. Tell me what I am saying is not true, Andrew. If you investigated it at all you would know it is the absolute truth. I will not hold my breath for you are not in the least interested in getting at the truth and neither is anyone else who defends the American health system. It is an monstrosity designed to make a very few very wealthy and they spend enough on propaganda to convince those who are too lazy to do their homework. You know, people like you.

     
  • Treacy Elliott posted at 5:04 pm on Mon, Nov 18, 2013.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 71

    And here is the truth

    http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

     
  • Treacy Elliott posted at 5:02 pm on Mon, Nov 18, 2013.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 71

    Actually the rate has been going down since a high of 10% in October of 2009 to the 2013 October level of 7.3%. Might check your facts Andy, your losing credibility

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:53 pm on Mon, Nov 18, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1416

    One democratic legislator stated he was against the passage of Medicare Part D and voted against it. However when it passed he said he was going to do whatever he could to make it work for people. No such care for the people has been shown by conservatives when it comes to the ACA. They falsely protest some poorer people might get their health care coverage (junk policies) cancelled. What happened when Republicans were asked what if a person comes to the hospital with no coverage a resounding "let him die" came form the hall. So they never cared in the first place for poor people. So it is a little disingenuous to now express concern for political gamesmanship.

    Lies? We went through this before if you can't get em on a crime get a politician for lying. What politician hasn't told a lie? Why because there are extremists who will turn trivia, like a computer glitch, into a major impeachable calamity. I've worked with the feds computers and the states computers and there has been a number of roll outs and not a single one didn't start with major and minor glitches. You're often trying to integrate with existing computers as the ACA does where you get into territorial spats. And often tinkering with fed systems are literally acts of congress to tinker with if not the guardians of national security. Now the quickest way to expedite fixes with these systems is to have public out cries over glitches.

    To complain about ACA fails to address the good it will provide as well as how the current health care system is inefficient and expensive compared to other industrialized countries. You can't complain about the ACA if you have no alternative. To say the current system is worth saving again shows a lack of concern for poor people again who can't afford it and are easily sold junk policies thinking it will protect them . Pre-existing condition clauses are killers for many people who went to an ER only to be told they have a threatening condition that will require treatment that's very expensive. So to help pay they go to an insurance company that will tell them they have a pre-existing condition. So many people wait too long to get covered. To many people continue with the I'll tough it out" when they contract an illness not realizing even if you can tough it out without it leading to worse conditions there are people you are exposing that aren't that resilient.

    I see there is a never ending supply of President Obama critics who find the slightest complaint to raise to headline banner news with out admitting to the catastrophic lies and deceptions of the previous president that cost lives, American credibility in world opinion and loss of confidence in our economic leadership.

    For those critics, I heard this week end with all the Kennedy tributes where he was asked to rate some of the former presidents. He responded (paraphrased) if you asked me a few months ago before being elected I could sit down right then and do it in minutes. Now that I've been in office I would have to study each one and the situations they worked from and faced to give you and answer in due time. In a nut shell "walk a mile in my shoes before you judge. It is only a small man (woman) who find it easy to criticize achievement and in doing so wanting to make themselves appear smarter than the successful one they themselves could never achieve.


     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:14 pm on Mon, Nov 18, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    "We have had years of job growth" Really? More liberal dumpster stew.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:46 pm on Mon, Nov 18, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2348

    Oh good grief! He should have been more specific?!? Or maybe he should have kept some other promises as well: like ensuring that the bill would be available online for 72 hours before voting on it? Of course it’s not like that would have made much difference – after all, back then Barack Hussein Obama could do no wrong. Yet how about all those so-called “leaders” of ours who didn’t even read the thing before it was passed; maybe they should have been better informed so as to make it more specific once it reached the president’s desk? And how about at that point; maybe the President of the United States himself should have read it before affixing his signature upon it during that oh-so-glorious signing event at his desk in the Oval Office?!? Of course keeping its verbiage to mono-syllabic, two sentence paragraphs might have helped him to understand it better too.

    Considering the magnitude of this project, why didn’t the website work at the very moment it was unveiled? As someone who has created a few small websites myself, the one thing that should ALWAYS be done is to test, test, test and then TEST AGAIN, AGAIN and AGAIN before going live!

    This entire ordeal makes us - as a nation - look so silly, inept and irresponsible. And then the President of the United States thinks that with the stroke of his pen or just his voice that he can reverse what the LAW requires?!? He had no right to make those canceled policies available again!!! Just who in the world does he think he is? He’s not a legislator - he’s the President, not a king!

    Once again it’s proved that the government is inept. But we knew that with the attitudes and antics that went into passing this thing in the first place didn’t we? Lies, deceit, kickbacks, and maybe even blackmail - all to give President Barack Hussein Obama his signature legislation.

    So what’s next on the Washington Law Express? Oh yeah, I almost forgot!! Comprehensive Immigration Reform; coming to a circus near us. Oh goody!! But that’s not going to be so tough - a one liner most likely: “The borders are open; those who cross are instantaneously granted citizenship - no questions asked. Just fill sign this pre-printed Voter Registration card that has you registering as a Democrat.” That’s all there is to it; welcome home!!

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:21 pm on Mon, Nov 18, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The unemployment rate has been 7.5 percent or higher for 57 straight months. It is the first time that the unemployment rate has ever stayed at 7.5 percent or higher for that long ever since the Bureau of Labor Statistics began calculating the national unemployment rate in 1948.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 9:53 am on Mon, Nov 18, 2013.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Yes, the government knows better what is best for me.. Maybe I want a high deductible so I can afford the premium..Not all of us have government pensions and health care provided, or work for a large company that has a Cadillac plan. Sorry- yes they do lie..
    Yesterday on ABC’s This Week, temp-host Martha Radditz asked Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) a simple question. Did the Senator feel that she was misled, now that Obama's "If you like it you can keep it" lie has been thoroughly exposed. The answer?
    Of course not.
    "He should’ve just been more specific,” Gillibrand replied. “Because the point is, if you’re being offered a terrible health care plan, that the minute you get sick you’re going to have to go into bankruptcy, those plans should never be offered."
    Again she asked "So, were you misled?"
    Gillibrand's answer is stunning.
    "He should’ve just been specific. No, we all knew! The whole point of the plan is to cover things people need, like preventive care, birth control, pregnancy. How many women, the minute they get pregnant, might risk their coverage. How many women paid more because of their gender, because they might get pregnant. Those are the reforms."

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:33 am on Mon, Nov 18, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Our right wing friends facility for over the top rhetoric is well known but you take the cake Stan. You said:

    making him the worst President that this nation has ever had to endure?

    I was at the VA talking to a fellow veteran who served in Iraq. The top of his head was a mangled mess from an IED. He does not share your opinion. I do not think the millions who saw there 401k's lose half their value or the millions who lost their jobs and houses in the 2008 crash agree with you.

    We have had years of job growth. It could have been better but we have Republicans who like the policies that created the 2008 crash with enough power to stop anything that really would get the economy going again. That is our problem.

    As to the ACA rollout. It has been rough but they are fixing the website and it is going to work. Their will be millions who will now have preventive care and when sick go see the doctor. This will bring down health costs significantly. It would work better but for the Republican Governors who have not accepted the medicaid expansion leaving 5.4 million people without healthcare. Typical Republican Christian values.

    To my right wing friends I will say the following. Don't count your chickens before they are hatched.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 11:19 am on Sun, Nov 17, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2821

    Chuckle,

    Similarly so. There is nothing more amusing than left- wing
    people pontificating about lying or anything to do with integrity.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:19 pm on Sat, Nov 16, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [lol]... Here is President Pinnocchio IN HIS OWN WORDS admitting his Health Care Plan will ELIMINATE private insurance.

    http://youtu.be/xtZMhx3Ceng

     
  • stan taves posted at 1:02 pm on Sat, Nov 16, 2013.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    Obviously Roberts is smarter than the average Chief Justice. The court ruled that the ACA was a tax, and therefore constitutional. But in doing so they allowed the states to opt-out of the insanity if they deemed it too onerous -- which it is. Now, imagine for a moment where we would be today had Obama Care been ruled unconstitutional. Obama would have had another straw-man to blame for his jobless economy, and his failed presidency. There wouldn't be the meltdown that we are witnessing today, and Obama could have claimed that he did everything in his power to help America, but that it was those horrible racist pigs that stopped him. Flip-bang-boom, and there it is: Single Payer to save the day. What happens next? Obama is now forced to attack the very Ins cos that aligned themselves with the idiotic plan in the 1st place -- based on Obama's false promises of course. Will Obama be able to parlay his last shot at the insurers into "single payer glory"; thus, cementing his legacy for all to revel in and admire? Or, will he have destroyed any chance for liberal leadership in the decades to come; thus, making him the worst President that this nation has ever had to endure? Should be interesting...

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:07 am on Sat, Nov 16, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    Here is a rare YouTube video of our White House occupier telling the truth.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhFB7-w2MY8

     
  • robert maurer posted at 9:36 am on Sat, Nov 16, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 444

    What lie Mr.Lucas? Mr, Liebich's post gave an actual website for verification and here is another from me: https//my.barackobama.com/page/s/join-attack-wire-today. Or use keywords Obama attack watch and see numerous related articles as well as the 2 sites mentioned. I guess it is more important to not have a ridiculous snitch site crashed than an important one such as healthcare.gov.[lol]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:56 am on Sat, Nov 16, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "One set of rules for one group, and another for another group" sounds much more like Obamacare than the LNS...ROFLMAO [lol]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:14 pm on Fri, Nov 15, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    There is nothing more amusing than right-wing people pontificating about lying or anything to do with integrity.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 2:42 pm on Fri, Nov 15, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 444

    Yes, Andrew, there are multiple sites now. Can't have that site crash from overusage now,can we?[smile]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 1:08 pm on Fri, Nov 15, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1111

    Jerry, I feel honored...

    That you took time out of your busy schedule to correct the grammatical errors in my hastedly written post.

    English is my second language and even after all these years I still struggle with it at times.

    Hopefully, I'll be able to show you my appreciation for your act of kindness soon.

    Very soon.

    [smile]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:05 pm on Fri, Nov 15, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Why does it take so long for comments to be posted?

    And why is it perfectly fine for a commenter to write: "rolling on the floor laughing my ass off" on a continual basis.

    One set of rules for one group, and another for another group? Seems so.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 11:41 am on Fri, Nov 15, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 484

    Does anyone give a hoot if Ron Portal read Plato`s "The Republic"? Since my interest in Plato was hung out to dry 75 years ago, I could care less since what he said doesn`t affect me. Perhaps Ron did, who are you to say he didn`t.. While you hate the right, you seem to be aware of what Glenn Beck or Rush have to say. Check out Fox, especially Megan Kelly as she has both sides of the isle on her program.

    Getting back to Barrycare, he stated in the LNS that we made a mistake, he must have had a mouse in his pocket at the time. I beleive it is called Obamacare. BTW Joanne, I an not aware of a left wing TV station, perhaps you can enlighten me. At least you can`t put the blame on Plato or President Bush for this massive mistake. By this time I would think Barry must enjoy eating crow, he`s had alot of practice. Take good care of your dogs.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:28 am on Fri, Nov 15, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Is Mr. Chang a teacher?

    Was Plato subject to English grammar rules? I doubt it.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:26 am on Fri, Nov 15, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Kinderman wrote: j"As for whether or not Mr. Portal has read “The Republic,” who is anyone here so out-of-line to suggest that he has not. If he says he has, then he has."

    Since someone brought up incorrect use of language, "who is anyone here so out-of-line?" What?

    Mr. Portal DID NOT claim to have read "The Republic." Never said he did and he obviously did not - obvious to those who are familiar with Plato. He simply copied a quote that he thought appropriate for his opinion of President Obama - actually one of the three forms of government Plato thought was bad for the Greek city-states, i.e., Tyranny, along with WHAT? "Democracy."

    AND Mr. Kinderman wrote:

    "But one thing we know for certain is that most of those serving us in Congress did not read the Affordable Healthcare Bill before they voted to make it a law and thus for the first time in the history of our Republic forces people to purchase a product that they may not even want."

    The Supreme Court Justices must have read it in order to declare it constitutional, right? Oh, that's right, this commenter knows better than the Supremes what is constitutional and what is not as he has proclaimed often in this forum.

    Really? The FIRST TIME? Were you not forced to purchase Social Security and Medicare? (Lucky for YOU that you were forced to purchase SS).
    We, in the State of California are forced to purchase State Disability Insurance, too.

    I haven't seen a form yet that let's me "opt out" of those 3 programs.

    Are you not "forced" to purchase auto insurance and (not in your case, though) homeowners insurance? Are you not "forced" to annually purchase a registration for your care AND bi-annually to purchase a SMOG check?

    First time? Those blinded by hate of Obama have shallow thinking and short memories.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:56 am on Fri, Nov 15, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Do you remember Obama's 'ATTACK WATCH' website? ROFLMAO! [lol]

    http://l.barackobama.com/truth-team/attack-watch

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:32 pm on Thu, Nov 14, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    Instead of addressing the premise of the author's letter, Obama and Democratic lies, liberal posters are more concerned whether or not Mr. Portal actually read Plato. Wonder why that is, perhaps because they can't defend or deny the lies?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 4:07 pm on Thu, Nov 14, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2348

    “. . . would ‘of’ recognized . . .?” Golly, shouldn’t that be “would ‘have’ recognized” or even “would’ve?” Is this really what we've come to expect from our teachers nowadays? Certainly Plato “would have” gotten that one right.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 4:01 pm on Thu, Nov 14, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2348

    As for whether or not Mr. Portal has read “The Republic,” who is anyone here so out-of-line to suggest that he has not. If he says he has, then he has. But one thing we know for certain is that most of those serving us in Congress did not read the Affordable Healthcare Bill before they voted to make it a law and thus for the first time in the history of our Republic forces people to purchase a product that they may not even want. I would think that might be of greater concern, but since those on the left never had a problem with it, why would they worry themselves about anyone reading something Plato wrote? Talk about priorities out of whack!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:01 am on Thu, Nov 14, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    First, does anyone here actually believe that Ron Portal has read Plato's "The Republic?" And does he actually know what the subject of "The Republic" is and what philosophical conclusions were reached by Plato?

    And I would love to see the source for his quote, also. No doubt some obscure right-wing source - or maybe it was Rush Limbaugh or, more likely, Glenn Beck.

    And, according to California Insurance Commissioner, under the ACA, insurance companies could have extended those individual healthcare policies for another year, but chose to cancel them so that these individuals could enroll in the exchanges. Over 100,000 Anthem Blue Cross policies were illegally cancelled because customers were not notified with the required 90 day window.

    Most of these policies being cancelled are individual policies for catastrophic coverage only. They do not cover preventive care such as doctor visits or prescription drugs and are pretty much worthless - that is why they are so cheap. Many of the policy holders are younger, healthy people who believe they will never get sick.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 10:19 am on Thu, Nov 14, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1111

    "Plato's Republic"

    Baloney.

    Ron's never read Plato's Republic. For if he had, he would of recognized himself and his like-minded ilk (Think: Archconservative/Retrogressive) as the “shadow people” from the Allegory of the Cave.

    A race of people born and raised in a cave, they’ve spent their entire existence chained to the cave floor and facing a wall. Like “pen fed cattle” with blinders on, unable to see what’s happening behind or beside themselves. With their captors and a fire behind, their reality and life experiences are limited to a series of shadowy projections on the wall.

    Just like a never ending “shadow puppet” show.

    In the tale, one of them (Think: Progressive), manages to free himself from the chains and moves upwards, towards the light at the top of the cave. As he approaches the surface, he sees blue sky, breathes fresh air and feels the warmth of the sun. Facing this new reality he becomes frightened and turns back downward, only to see his people for the first time. He hurriedly returns to the bottom and while removing their chains, desperately pleads for them to follow him to the surface. Most are scared and won’t budge but those that do manage to escape to the surface, see the Sun (Think: Truth) for the first time.

    Only then, do they truly begin to live.

    The “puppeteers” from Plato’s story are still around today. Think: Limbaugh, Palin, Beck, Cruz and all of the others!

    [smile]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:00 am on Thu, Nov 14, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1479

    Ron you keep thinking that and we'll keep running the show.

     

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