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Posted: Saturday, September 29, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 5:26 am, Sat Sep 29, 2012.

On 9/11 of this year, a video supposedly uncomplimentary to Islam was aired. Rioting broke out in Egypt. They went on the rampage, tore down the American flag on our embassy, burned it and put up one representing al-Qaida, and continued to cause all kinds of mayhem. The Libyan embassy was also stormed, resulting in the death of our ambassador and some of his coworkers.

We are pouring billions of dollars in aid into Egypt, which has a new president who is not necessarily friendly towards us. These people must be laughing themselves to death over our stupidity in giving them so much money while they do whatever they please. Mr. Obama, our president and the leader of the free world, in turn expressed regret that this film had evidently insulted these people who refer to us as infidels and murder and harass the Christians in their own country constantly.

What is going on? What is wrong with this man? Our Christian beliefs are constantly under assault and no one protests. Does everyone have blinders on that he always gets a "pass" on the things he says, yet Romney can say the simplest thing and the Democrats go bonkers and the liberal media smears him all over the place, misquotes him and twists his words into something else?

Woe unto us if we re-elect this man. These United States will be turned into something that we do not recognize.

Sonia F. Glick

Lockeford

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129 comments:

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:25 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Yes, be strong Sonia. And learn how to write a letter that is filled with fact rather than half-truths, FOX News cliches, clips from your latest JBS newsletter, and the like.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 7:36 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    Ever hear of Bin Laudin?

     
  • stan taves posted at 6:49 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 316

    Sonia, I forgot to say that I liked your letter; you're very passionate. I want to you to know that the path forward is very rugged, but only the "tuff" can walk that path. Be strong Sonia, God Bless.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:44 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Heuer wrote: "Geeze I ased a question about illegal aliens and went to dinner and all heck has broken loose. Is the anser I'm looking for in one of these "Comments Removed?"

    Strangely, there any MANY comments here that have been removed without being identified as removed. I've noticed that one of mine from Saturday and one from this morning are gone, but not noted as "Removed." Curious as neither one fit the profile of "no-no's" listed above.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:35 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    No, let me help you out Mr Lucas. I am saying that it would be refreshing if Mr Chang offered substance to his posts as opposed to childish mocking.

    For example Mr Lucas, your post at 12:25 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012 on this thread was filled with substance and was interesting to read. I enjoyed reading the post even though I thought you were mistaken at times.

    Mr Chang has never offered anything close to what you offer on a normal basis.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:36 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Darrell said:
    I just don't know for sure since Mr. Chang simply mocks and distorts instead of expressing actual points of view...


    The pot calling the kettle black

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 3:18 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1150

    [tongue]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:58 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    No. Please answer my question.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:11 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Hummm, Mr Chang mocks and distorts what Mr Kinderman believes... what could motivate someone to post such obvious distortion? One possibility is that Mr Chang is incensed by anyone that believes... different than he.


    or, could be that he is a closet conservative that pretends to hate everything about Mr Kinderman so as to hide how much he is like him. Great cover to fool his liberal friends?

    I just don't know for sure since Mr. Chang simply mocks and distorts instead of expressing actual points of view...

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:17 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    MR Kinderman
    I agree the statistics from the Renew America 2006 article are not anything to shrug a shoulder at but one thing that you need to remember is that this was a sample study on prison inmates, In other words they are incarcerated. Just where they belong meaning the system is apparently at work. Now as the article states "About 12 percent were for violent offenses such as murder, robbery, assault, and sex-related crimes." The rest were for nonviolent crimes. Nothing to sweep under the rug. However according to the ABC report "the growing number of deportations comes as the overall size of the U.S. illegall immigrant population -- 62 percent of which hails from Mexico -- continues to DECLINE. The U.S. unauthorized population in 2009 was 10.8 million, down from a peak of 11.8 million in 2007"
    So there has been a problem no doubt and there remains a problem, there is still a problem but it is being addressed.
    The ABC report goes on "Still, observers say the seriousness of the few crimes involving illegal immigrants that have occurred in Arizona border communities may be creating the false impression of a widespread violent crime problem that isn't there.
    "These high-profile cases on both sides of the border generate FEAR and intensify lots of reaction, lots of passion, more than reflect any real or substantive problem," said Felbab-Brown.
    Other sources say the uptick in violent incidents is a result of heightened enforcement and security measures which are acting as a "natural funnel," forcing drug traffickers, smugglers and illegal workers trying to cross the border into a concentrated area of more dangerous paths into the country.
    "The more pressure is applied in urban areas, the further out the migrants and smugglers are going to go, and the more competitive, more violent it's going to get," said Sheriff Tony Estrada of Santa Cruz County, Arizona.
    "The increased deployment of Border Patrol Agents and the overall changes in strategy have increasingly pushed illegal immigrants into more dangerous terrain," according to a recent report by the National Foundation for American Policy.".
    So our freedoms are not threatened by illegal aliens. The threat is being met. Each evening the local news gives a list of the daily crimes, murders, shootings, assaults, which occurs accross the nation. We have law enforcment chasing down the bad guys. A nation experiencing bad guys everyday has not had its freedoms threatened and the few at the border cannot compare to what is happening all accross the country. What threatens our freedoms is the idea that we can cut budgets to reduce enforcement either in numbers or in pay/benefits to the point of creating enforcement apathy. You can't run around and say we are going to slash government in the name of freedom without threatening those very freedoms.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:12 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    You're joking, right?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:47 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    What did Afghanistan have to do with 9/11? [huh]

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 8:28 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    John Lucas wrote, "I think you are right in that they used 9-11 as an excuse to invade Iraq but I do not think 9-11 was an inside job."

    I wonder Mr. Lucas, did you follow the U.N. investigation just prior to the vote by Congress regarding going to war with Iraq?

    Actually, the main reasons for the war in Iraq had much more to do with Saddam Hussein's widely believed possession and history of using WMDs (even against his own citizens) as well as his ongoing denials to permit in-country inspections than the atrocities of 9/11.

    It was 9/11 that led to the war in Afghanistan.

    Of course as time passed by, Americans’ collective memories of all the aforementioned events became foggy. Soon, the mantra turned to it was only because of 9/11 that we invaded Iraq and/or that Bush had lied about the WMDs.

    So much for the unifying “feeling” that swept the nation during the first few weeks after the events of September 11, 2001. I recall specifically the nearly majority of Congress on their feet applauding President Bush as he spoke before Congress nine days later where he exclaimed, “If you’re not with us, you are with the terrorists.” I wonder how that would fly today! No Republican would be able to get away with it, that’s for sure! But Obama could, I am quite certain.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 7:59 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1150

    "I find your apathy in the matter odd"

    [lol]

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:58 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    Are the following not significant?

    “In the population study of a sample of 55,322 illegal aliens, researchers found that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after 1990.

    “They were arrested for a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses, averaging about 13 offenses per illegal alien. One arrest incident may include multiple offenses, a fact that explains why there are nearly one and half times more offenses than arrests. Almost all of these illegal aliens were arrested for more than 1 offense. Slightly more than half of the 55,322 illegal aliens had between 2 and 10 offenses.

    “About 45 percent of all offenses were drug or immigration offenses. About 15 percent were property-related offenses such as burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and property damage. About 12 percent were for violent offenses such as murder, robbery, assault, and sex-related crimes.”

    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/kouri/060622
    Sources: Government Accounting Office, US Department of Justice, National Security Institute

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:37 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I sincerely Thank you for taking the time to listen Darrell. Reporters have been sent to Virginia. Stay tuned...

    P.S. FOIA requests take time.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:31 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mr. Kinderman,
    I know for a fact that you are incredibly concerned with the direction President Obama has taken our country. I share your concern, thus the reason I have attempted to share the factual information contained in this video.

    In my opinion, if you found "very little of value" in the video you clearly didn't "waste your valuable time" listening to it.

    The video does not bolster an opinion, Mr."monotonic guy" substantiated everything he said with links which completely eviscerate the official narrative coming out of the White House. I find your apathy in the matter odd.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:22 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    "There are far greater things threatening our freedoms." Like what, Mr. Heuer? What's really more important than keeping our country safe and secure from those who would break our laws with impunity? Those that jump the fence have already shown disdain for our "rule of law" by that one action. We don’t even know who or where many of these people are. Is 9/11 that much of a blur that it’s no longer important? Heck, we make it miserable for citizens to hop on an airplane to go to Disneyland – but now we want to make illegal aliens as comfortable as possible because after all, they just want to enjoy the things we already have? Just how ridiculous is that?

    Sure, America is a great place to live. I've lived in Germany for a few years and visited quite a few other countries, but nothing beats the good ol' U.S. of A. But how long will that last as we continue to permit such disregard of our laws?

    Frankly, I'm incensed by anyone who believes these people should be permitted to enjoy our country without first going through the process of becoming a citizen. What, since I was lucky enough to have been born here, I should show more compassion toward those who were born elsewhere by giving them a pass? Maybe it was luck, but that's simply the way it is. On the other hand, I find it funny that on those days when there were organized marches against our immigration policies that rather than carrying the American Flag, there were far more Mexican Flags in the mobs chanting against the very country they claim to want as their permanent home.

    I'm sorry, Mr. Heuer, but one rape; one murder; one shooting; one burglary - one crime by one illegal alien is one too many for me. And it should be for every other law-abiding, freedom-loving American.

    So yeah, reform our immigration policies. But first and foremost seal the borders and by all means enforce the laws already in place.

    Nothing else makes sense unless all we really do want is anarchy.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:13 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    painfully obvious to those of us paying attention...

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:11 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The details made the point crystal clear.

    Insinuating that the video was "painfully long" merely bolsters my contention that "many individuals who frequent this forum have the attention span of a two year old."

    I'm sorry you weren't able to follow along, just keep believing your television. [sleeping]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 6:26 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    Obama care for many is freedom. Freedom from pain, freedom from suffering, freedom from the burdon of unaffordable medical costs,freedom to not denied insurance for pre existing conditions freedom to not have to choose between pills, bills and tuitions for care, freedom to hold a job where you were held back before from care needs. Its like social security.

    Only rich dudes like you could care less about affording the necessties of life.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:20 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1150

    But it's a false flag in progress, Dude!!

    [beam]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:19 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1150

    [sleeping][yawn][sleeping]

    ZZZZZZzzzzzz......

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 6:17 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    The video is painfully long and detailed and the point is not clear

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 6:15 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    And that reason would be???

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 6:14 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    Saw the flag. No biggie. There are bigger fish to fry

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 6:09 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    MR Kinderman
    Thank you for the curtesy of a reply re: illega aliens, at least I take it as a reply. The link was informative as is this one from ABC News:
    An Illegal Immigration Fact Check Shows Violence Declining
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/illegal-immigration-fact-check-mayhem-us-mexico-border/story?id=10690707

    You seem to be prone to exagrstions. The llegal immigrationquestion came up since you stated it was a threat to our freedoms. I still fail to see how that can be. You also stated that our prisons are "bursting" with illegal aliens who have commited violent crimes. Neither of these articles do a good job of separating prison populations into Illegal aliens detained for deprtation or from convicted criminals. The identificaion of nonviolent from violent would give us a better indication of the overall problem as well. There are a whole host of things nonvolent crimes cnsist of but little to threaten our freedoms.

    You now state that "Most important however, is anytime our elected officials stand by while the rule of law is thwarted or worse - when the President of the United States HIMSELF is complicit with such disregard for laws already on the books - surely our very freedoms are at stake."
    The ABC link I added says, "More than 20,000 border patrol agents serve on the front lines -- an 80 percent increase over 2004 and the largest number in history." President Obama has been responsible for much of the recent increase including surveilane technologies. Hardly ignoring the problem.
    Couple that with, "The number of illegal immigrants apprehended along the border, which CBP uses to gauge the flow of migrants, is down nearly 55 percent from 2005. The agency captured 540,865 last year. Obama has even been criticized for his stepped up deportation of illegal aliens.

    I have watched illegal alien hysteria grow especially during election times (Gov Wilson) from the first voter fraud accusations (towards illegal aliens) to shrinking budgets due to their using our services, to violent crimes are going up due to illegal aliens coming across the border. I don't doubt there is a problem at the border, I don't disagree it is against the law, I don't disagree there needs to be Immigrtion reform legislation, I don't disagree there needs to be a system where they can come here and work , etc. But a discussion can't take place if, as you say, there is an elevated sense of irrational fear. There are far greater things threatening our freedoms.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 6:06 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    Actually Darrell, what I've noticed of Mr. Liebich (and a few others) is this attitude of expectation to follow those links provided. Now if the websites are provided simply to bolster his opinion that he clearly states within his posting, I see nothing wrong with that although I’ve got to be really interested prior to clicking on the URL link. But to post a website that is extremely lengthy that would require us to perform his research makes little sense to me.

    As far as YouTube is concerned, aside from entertainment purposes I have found very little of value on it so unless I wish to waste my valuable time listening to some monotonic guy bore me for the first ten minutes prior to getting to the meat of the subject matter I generally refuse or just ignore the invitation (or demand).

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 5:38 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    On my way home from an appointment in Sacramento this afternoon I learned from the radio that our State Legislators will have to soon begin paying the full price for their "vanity" license plates. When lawmakers continue to make rules for us yet exempt themselves, this creates more mistrust within the citizenry.

    There must be accountability by those we trust to govern us. Sure, what's the big deal if they give themselves a little padding insofar as benign license plates are concerned? Who really cares?

    Well, if we don't begin to care about the small stuff, they'll have no compunction with getting away with the bigger stuff. Frankly, I find it dishonest. As it pertains to this particular issue, I believe each and every one of them should be required to reimburse the State of California regardless of whether or not it was "legal" when they ordered their reduced-rate license plates.

    From here there needs to be an audit of such laws that exempt our lawmakers from having to pay just like we do. After all, they're really no better than any one of us.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:51 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    This information had no bearing in my perception of the mainstream media or the Obama administration. Just one more layer of information that adds to decades of experience that makes up my understanding of reality. The video did not surprise me. I do not take the video by itself as proof of evidence of anything without independent confirming sources, which is why asked for your input.

    Did it change anything you perceived? I do not imagine it did.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:34 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    How do you feel about the Obama Administration and the mainstream media in light of this information?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:09 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405


    I posted... Andrew, have you followed up on information given out in this video ? If so, what did you find?

    Andrew responded first... Follow up? Links to the information contained in the video were provided. What's stopping you from "following up" yourself?

    Andrew responded second... As far as I'm concerned, I don't feel my post at 7:05 am was the least bit vague. Was it? Furthermore, doesn't the truth presented in the video speak for itself?

    Andrew, I had watched the link you provided, in fact twice. I thought it was interesting to say the least. During the video, he referenced many links to follow. I assumed that you had already did your research and viewed them since you are the one that posted this you tube video. I was only attempting to save time and learn more in the shortest period of time.

    When you responded in a manner that was rather abrupt and dismissive, I decided to discontinue dialog with you as your response indicates to me you are not interested in dialogue.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:53 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    There is a reason DHS has ordered close to 2 BILLION rounds of hollow point ammo in the last 9 months Mr. Kinderman.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:38 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Meanwhile, the irreffutable evidence of a false flag that I provided on day one isn't even discussed...[whistling]

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:39 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    That should read: "Please note the sources of 'his' data at the end of the piece."

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:42 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    Interesting article regarding crime and illegal aliens: http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/kouri/060622. Please note the sources of this data at the end of the piece.

    Most important however, is anytime our elected officials stand by while the rule of law is thwarted or worse - when the President of the United States HIMSELF is complicit with such disregard for laws already on the books - surely our very freedoms are at stake. Or is this how the Founders envisioned our Republic?

    The manner in which "ObamaCare" was brought to life is a clear example of government gone very wrong. The litany of offenses against the will of the people through any and all means to get what he wanted - all while practically ignoring the economy that was tanking - is indicative of a very bad politician.

    When things like these are permitted to exist, people begin to fear their government. Fear results in unrest; unrest results in anarchy; anarchy results in the obliteration of our freedom.

    I’m simply amazed by those who simply don’t seem to care at all. These past four years have been a living nightmare. And I FEAR it will get much worse if Barack Hussein Obama gets four more.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:32 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    True, however Walter Chang doesn't seem the least bit concerned about the ORIGIN of the video that supposedly led to the death of our ambassador in Libya either...[sleeping]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 10:57 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1150

    “Obamaphone video can go viral while…”

    Jerome Kinderman posted at 4:45 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012: “ObamaPhone… ObamaPhone”

    Jerome Kinderman posted at 5:02 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012: “ObamaPhone”

    Jerome Kinderman posted at 2:16 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012: “ObamaPhone… ObamaPhone”

    Jerome Kinderman posted at 2:37 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012: “ObamaPhone”

    Andrew Liebich posted at 12:21 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012: “ObamaPhone… ObamaPhone”

    Andrew, it looks like Jerome brought the “dumbed down” ObamaPhone topic to the comments section first.

    Talk to him!!

    [beam]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:20 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Apparently not one of you is the least bit concerned about the ORIGIN of the video that supposedly led to the death of our ambassador in LIbya.

    The fact that an Obamaphone video can go viral while this information remains largely unknown is a true testament of how dumbed down, willfully ignorant and mentally oblivious the average American has become. [sad]

    http://youtu.be/7os9D-EsFmM

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:50 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Heuer stated...DB answered but as usual it was totally worthless drival

    Yes, I can imagine it looks that way to you Mr Heuer. By the way, me addressing you as "Mr. Heuer" is not meant to be condescending. In my view, it is a form of respect given. If I addressed you with what I prefer, I guarantee it would not be "Mr Heuer".

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:56 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...I don't see the connection between illegals who commit violent crimes and a possible "threat to our freedoms."

    Mr Heuer stated...DB answered but as usual it was totally worthless drivel.

    and there with have it... it does not matter what the answer is. As Ms Bobin said so well, she just doesn't see the connection... that fits 90 % of all these posts. The left cannot comprehend how the right thinks. What ever answer Mr Kinderman or myself provide, it is met with a deer in the head light reaction as if a foreign language was being heard.

    For an example, Mr Kinderman used the word freedom. Hummm.. what is that. Unless everyone perceives this to be exactly the same, no meetings of the mind can take place. The liberals desire and crave a Federal population control to manage society and feel comfortable with a Federal government that controls its population. So when legislation like Obama”not”care comes along, there perception of freedom is not offended. In other words, Obama”not”care did not diminish their freedom.

    The conservatives however, do not like Federal government power mandating how we will live from Washington. Obama”not”care definitely is seen by this group has diminishing our freedoms.

    I do not see a solution to this problem, which is why it meaningless for Mr Kinderman to answer a question to liberals that cannot possibly comprehend.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:37 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Heuer stated...OK I asked this question of MR Kinderman (but anyone can answer)

    I agree, anyone could answer this question... but it more interesting to have someone like yourself who pretends not to know the answer, to articulate exactly what you think how someone might answer that question. Everyone knows that whatever answer is given, you will respond it is absurd.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:00 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    Littering is a crime it doesn't threaten our freedoms. Commiting violent crimes doesn't threaten our freedoms unless of course you are a victum but criminals are also citizens and freedom remains.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:51 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    I've commented on several videos now

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:50 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "John is absolutly right" clearly indicates otherwise.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:42 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    Andrew
    I know most of this videos content

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:03 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    Let me ask again
    OK I asked this question of MR Kinderman (but anyone can answer) after he said someone is naive if they think our freedoms are not threatenened by illegal aliens who come here and commit violent crimes filling our prisons. I really look around here and the surrounding communities and say can this be true? So I asked MR Kinderman;

    Please humor my naïve status and simply let me know how our freedoms are threatened by illegal aliens?

    You (MR Kinderman) pose the questions;
    "How many of those here illegally have committed violent crimes against citizens. and legal aliens?"
    Is there an known answer?

    " Our prisons are bursting at the seams owing to this problem alone."
    Again is there a known number of illegal aliens in prison for VIOLENT crimes? What is the percentage? I sincerely would like to know because my understanding is different than yours. Oh BTW my wife works in corrections.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 7:56 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    Geeze I ased a question about illegal aliens and went to dinner and all heck has broken loose. Is the anser I'm looking for in one of these "Comments Removed?"

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:43 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Joe Guzzardi might be interested to find that - according to a comparison of policy issues published in today's Record, Willard Mitt Romney is PRO increasing the number of H-B visas for foreigners with "high level skills" and who are proficient in Math and Science so they can fill all of the jobs, at a much cheaper price, than our citizen job seekers.

    Corporations (who are "people," btw,) will be so happy that Willard is selling out at the expense of jobs for citizens.

    The Record noted also that President Obama has not addressed the issue of H-1B Visas.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:36 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Kinderman said words to the effect that "if they think our freedoms are not threatenened by illegal aliens who come here and comit violent crimes filling our prisons..."

    Mr. Kinderman also believes that our "freedoms are...being threatened" by having a black man by the name of Barack Hussein (ooooh, is he Muslim, too?) Obama as our president.

    I don't see the connection between illegals who commit violent crimes and a possible "threat to our freedoms."

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:12 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    How amusing to see Mr Heuer ask someone to lighten up... that is special...

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:10 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Yes, as one who consistenly maintains his Islamophobic stance - "The Muslims are coming, The Muslims are coming!!! - you are just the one to speak of "MO's"

    HAHAHAHA!!!!!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:10 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Heuer asked of Mr Kinderman...Please humor my naïve status and simply let me know how our freedoms are threatened by illegal aliens?

    You might as well ask, please tell me how breaking the law is illegal. Why would you ask Mr. Kinderman for an answer to a question that so is obvious?That you asked the question is inexplicable.

    Excellent post Mr Kinderman. I think if we played the game of charades and you gave the clues, I could easily get the right answer. Your logic and perspective is so much based in common sense and reason, that it is hard to imagine that one could not comprehend what it is you are saying.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:53 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Jerome said:
    Where I find displeasure is the way many go about espousing their beliefs. For example, why can't people who believe in Jesus Christ just be permitted to do that - as long as they don't encroach upon anyone else's God-given rights? Why must members of any faith insist that those who disagree with them be harmed in any way? Why must the result of one’s decision to change faiths result in death?

    Amen

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:29 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    OK I asked this question of MR Kinderman late last night and in his writing till after 2:AM he must have missed it. But after saying someone is naive if they think our freedoms are not threatenened by illegal aliens who come here and comit violent crimes filling our prisons I really look around here and the surrounding communities and say can this be true? So I asked MR Kinderman;

    Please humor my naïve status and simply let me know how our freedoms are threatened by illegal aliens?

    You (MR Kinderman) pose the questions;
    "How many of those here illegally have committed violent crimes against citizens. and legal aliens?"
    Is there an known answer?

    " Our prisons are bursting at the seams owing to this problem alone."
    Again is there a known number of illegal aliens in prison for VIOLENT crimes? What is the percentage? I sincerely would like to know because my understanding is different than yours. Oh BTW my wife works in corrections.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:14 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    I always like new words and this one I found curious: pied
    of two or more colors in blotches; also: wearing or having a parti-colored coat
    I coud check another dictionary but this didn't make sense

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:06 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    I missed the post where "that someone whose name has been sullied, distorted and “pied” is nearly condemned simply because of a wish to refer to others by absolutely acceptable and respectable prefixes such as Mr., Mrs., Miss, Ms, etc.? that someone whose name has been sullied, distorted and “pied” is nearly condemned simply because of a wish to refer to others by absolutely acceptable and respectable prefixes such as Mr., Mrs., Miss, Ms, etc.? " I mean the " sullied, distorted and “pied” part. I merely spoke my thoughts on the "Mr" discussion with Danial with no ill will just its peculiar stance nand how you considered less formal addressing as "it’s a deliberate form of disrespect." Now I did apologize if I offended you having used your first name in posts. I didn't mean to be disrespectful nor do I wish to be viewed as a heathen (when as you say you just consider the source). Now I have to admit that I posted that after a day in the sun with a beer or two. It was one last check in to the opinion section. I have since reconsidered my thoughts and find I really concede to your point and find it more reasonable than I did last night. So this part of your post I copied here is, I feel, directed at me or includes other posters I haven't seen. I really don't remember the " sullied, distorted and “pied” on my part.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:01 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I think you are right in that they used 9-11 as an excuse to invade Iraq but I do not think 9-11 was an inside job

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:58 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    No sometimes in a democracy you get crazy fanatics elected. In their country it is groups like the Muslim Brotherhood in ours it is Conservative Republicans.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:45 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Surprise me and digest some truth... http://youtu.be/24AMP_bttd8

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 3:35 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    John is absolutly right

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 3:29 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    Lighten up Stan. Theres more to life than the snap, crackle and pop of your cereal

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 3:23 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    Good luck on that Darrell

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 2:48 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1150

    "now referring to you as"

    Upper status adoration or inappropriate mocking??

    Recent experiences should leave no doubt...

    So please don't prevaricate Darrell.


    [wink]

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 2:40 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    What I have found increasingly interesting here are those who actually believe they might be able to change anyone's mind about at least two subjects that people should really stand rigid upon: politics and religion.

    With few exceptions, I believe a true conservative will remain just that; just as a true liberal will also be who they are. I applaud those who are faithful to their core beliefs as at least for me these things do define much of who I am, especially in matters of faith. Naturally I would find great pleasure if I were ever able to move them a little closer to what I believe; but those instances are rare.

    Where I find displeasure is the way many go about espousing their beliefs. For example, why can't people who believe in Jesus Christ just be permitted to do that - as long as they don't encroach upon anyone else's God-given rights? Why must members of any faith insist that those who disagree with them be harmed in any way? Why must the result of one’s decision to change faiths result in death?

    Politically speaking, there's nothing really wrong with this letter to the editor (read it again to see for yourselves), yet the second online response refers to it as trash and calls for the News-Sentinel to cease publishing more like it. Finally the employee of the News-Sentinel who is tasked to review and approve these letters is envisioned by this same contributor as a “CRAZY LITTLE OLD LADY.” (How respectful to someone not even known.) After all, Ms. Glick was only offering her opinion, and what better place to do so than on the Op/Ed pages of her local newspaper!! Why not just debate what was offered – even enthusiastically – without the now customary name-calling and worse?

    Finally, how absurd is it that someone whose name has been sullied, distorted and “pied” is nearly condemned simply because of a wish to refer to others by absolutely acceptable and respectable prefixes such as Mr., Mrs., Miss, Ms, etc.? Of course I know that the answer to many of these questions is fear – nothing more; nothing less.

    What they don’t seem to understand is that with each unfounded attack, the recipient should actually wear it as a badge of honor and even victory.

     
  • stan taves posted at 2:38 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 316

    Nice post, Brian. You know what they say? keep it simple; make it real.

     
  • stan taves posted at 2:26 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 316

    What is your trip, Walter? If I were to consider hiding "dark feelings" it would only be so that I could save them for the likes of you. It's pretty simple: If your desire is to come at me, then you'd better be able to bring it.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 2:26 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Vote Obama for $22 trillion of debt and 16% unemployment. Who needs jobs, we got Obamaphones and Foodstamps.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:15 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999


    Nothing will separate you from reality faster than television. Remove this insidious technology from your life. It is dominating your mind, your beliefs, your emotions and your reactions to everything that happens in the world. Television is a pathway to total zombification and you sir have been zombified.

    Surprise me and digest some truth... http://youtu.be/24AMP_bttd8

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:11 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Chang, I do not mind you mocking something I have said..but when you only refer to half a sentence out of context, you are not mocking me, but your perception of what you think of me.

    If you want to play that game, I will particpate and do to you as you do to me... please mock my words without changing reality.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 1:29 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Mr.Lucas:

    I'm sure you're jumping for joy Egypt is now under the control of the Muslim Brotherhood. Obama did not have to be such an apologist and not stop the balance of power going back to the Radicals.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:20 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I would suggest to you to get online and read "The Project for a New American Century". That outlines what became the Bush foreign policy. It is a foreign policy that only a Conservative republican could support. Do you really think if Gore was elected we would have had the tragic mistake of Iraq? Do you think we would treat other countries with such arrogance? I think not. There is a vital difference in John Bolton and Susan Rice. In Libya we had demonstrations apologizing for the terrorist attack that killed out ambassador. In Iraq Bush had a shoe thrown at him.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 12:58 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Thank you Mr. Lucas for confirming you really don't believe only a Conservative Republican would choose the Bush foreign policy.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 12:54 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Ms. Bobin,

    Although I disagree with you most of the time, if I was to meet you I would probably meet a completely different person I may actually enjoy conversing with. Unlike you, I can find good in many people. I think you're afraid you may like Jerome or Darrell if you met them you may have to compromise some of your ideologies. I meet people all the time I disagree with. But I've never felt I had to compromise my ideologies in order to get along with them.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:25 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Yes and No Brian. I think some of the differences are subtle. Unlike some of my fellow liberals friends I am in favor of locating terrorists in the middle of the night and shooting them in the face. (a tip of the hat to Bill maher) I am also in favor of the drone attacks. I do not care who originated those policies.

    I like the idea of soft power. We cannot completely control the events in the mideast. Libya was an unqualified success. When khaddafi had his army going for Benghazi the joint chiefs said we could do nothing or do a no fly zone. The President asked if that would stop Khaddafi. They said no and he told them to go back to the drawing boards. They came back with the plan that was implemented, Obama got on the phone to our allies plus Russia and China and the rest is history.

    These countries are infant democracies and each has to be treated differently. Those in power there now have to govern which is different from protesting. Morsi was on TV telling people to demonstrate against the stupid video. Our embassy was attacked. The President got on the phone to Morsi and said being a nation is accepting certain responsibilities such as protecting out embassies. Morsi changed his tune the next day. This sort of unrest is to be expected for most people in the Middle East do not understand our commitment to the 1st amendment. As Bill Maher said" that is the way we roll". There can be no compromise there. However we have to expect some of these countries will choose people to lead them we do not like. we have to be respectful of their right as democracies to choose idiots but we have to be true to our own values. It is a tightrope.

    As to Iran I think people underestimate the President. He said Iran will not be allowed to have a nuclear weapon. I think Iran will not like the results if they try to do so. It is not a good idea to cross a line drawn by this President. He is like that guy who wrote the art of war book. When he strikes he goes for the juggler

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 12:05 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1150

    "I rarely ever crack a smile"

    "I will be pleased when Obama wins the election"

    "I don't watch television"

    "Your stories would make a great MSNBC skit"

    "My use of Tina Fey..."

    "It was an opinion of mine, I was not stating I have documented proof"

    "Romney will start the heeling process..."


    [tongue]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:57 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    "Or, if you want to distinguish between the allegedly confrontation-minded policies of Bush's first term and the more accommodationist policies of his second term--a distinction that I think is exaggerated but has something to it--then it's something like the second Bush second term. With, of course, some differences. " If the video makes you talk like this I'm not sure I want to watch and I'm sure I don't want to consume the coffee needed to unwrap this tangled verbage..

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 11:47 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Mr. Lucas:

    There is ample evidence not only Democrats but Obama chose to continue on with the Bush Foreign Policy. But you're sure only a Conservative Republican would choose this foreign policy. Since I'm still not sure you have ever formulated an opinion based on a gut instinct. ( tongue in cheek) You must have some facts to back this up.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 11:32 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Mr. Lucas:

    Regarding your post at 9:44 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Are you saying YOU have never formulated an opinion based on a gut instinct?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 11:27 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-501445_162-4932324.html

    Obama's Foreign Policy Is Very Much A Continuation Of The Bush Policies

    A clip:

    Barack Obama's foreign policy is beginning to take shape. Semantically, it's a sharp repudiation of the policies of the George W. Bush administration. In reality, it's something like a continuation of Bush policies. Or, if you want to distinguish between the allegedly confrontation-minded policies of Bush's first term and the more accommodationist policies of his second term--a distinction that I think is exaggerated but has something to it--then it's something like the second Bush second term. With, of course, some differences.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 11:25 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2009/07/17/clinton-outlines-continuation-of-bush-policies-under-obama-at-cfr/

    Clinton Outlines Continuation of Bush Policies Under Obama at CFR

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 11:23 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1150

    "the art of deception"

    Stan, lovely vitriol.

    You also appear to be an expert in "the art of deception".

    That's great, you'll fit in perfectly with the other angst filled conservatives on board.

    But please consider, that if you despise Islam and dislike Muslims too...

    There's no need to hide those dark feelings around here, they're welcome among your peer group!

    So let it "flow" and enjoy!!


    [beam]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 11:21 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Mr. Lucas wrote:

    Only a Conservative Republican would choose the Bush foreign policy.

    -Chuckle,

    The part of Obama's foreign policy that has had the greatest success is essentially the continuation of the Bush foreign policy. I suggest Mr. Lucas does some research. Chances are he won't. But then, when has he in order to not make a fool of himself?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:19 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mr. Lucas, WATCH THE VIDEO I PROVIDED![sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:16 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Has Obama truly mastered the art of deception or have the majority of Americans mastered the art of denial?

    Do you know who aids, arms and funds "Al Qaeda" Mr. Taves?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:52 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    How many times have people said I wish the average Muslim would support us. In the aftermath of the terrorist attack that killed our ambassador people took to the streets in Libya saying they were sorry for what happened. A few days latter people stormed the radical groups headquarters and burned them to the ground. It has never happened before. This happened because of the foreign policy Of President Obama.
    Dick Cheney said that we would be greeted with flowers as liberators in Iraq. A trillion dollars, 5000 dead, at least a hundred thousand Iraqis dead and 8 years of misery President Obama ended the war that Conservative Republican foreign policy produced.
    Only a Conservative Republican would choose the Bush foreign policy.

     
  • stan taves posted at 10:01 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 316

    It's easy to understand why the administration has lied once you realize how damaging telling the truth would have been. It is most likely that Obama was going to use "the Arab spring" as a feather in his foreign policy cap; so, for him to admit that All Qaeda is on rise anywhere is admit his failure. As we know, Barack Obama does not admit failure, consequently he sent his minions out there to confuse the issue; it didn't work.He likes to claim that he killed bin laden and saved GM, but the truth that he has set the Arab world on fire, while he continues to try and kill our economy. To think that this race is even close is to show how effective he has been at the art of deception.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:26 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Meanwhile, the irreffutable evidence of a false flag that I provided isn't even discussed. [whistling]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:18 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    As you are well aware Mr. Kinderman, there are unfortunately many misinformed and uninformed individuals.

    In my opinion, ANYONE who supports President Obama for whatever reason, whether it's for a free phone or a free mortgage IS clearly mentally challenged.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:27 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Thank you for accurately describing the value of your posts Mr Chang. You hit the nail on the head.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 2:37 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    Mr. Heuer, as a follow-up and correction regarding the issue of the ObamaPhone, a line in the first sentence should have read, "... I learned of it from 'no' YouTube video, but from more than one nation-wide news source – one that I usually trust; the other that I generally do not."

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 2:16 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    Mr. Heuer, regarding the information about the woman and her “ObamaPhone,” I learned of it from a YouTube video, but from more than one nation-wide news source – one that I usually trust; the other that I generally do not. Nevertheless, this instance of why people are choosing to support Obama is just another that confuses me.

    Not all that long ago I recall a large number of people lining up in Detroit happy as larks waiting to sign up for their “ObamaBucks.” Like the ObamaPhone lady, I found the previous gathering of folks to be just as misinformed (I believe it was a hoax; or at least it was in part) as so many others who think that just because they’re getting free stuff, that’s a valid reason alone to vote for someone who will wield incredible power.

    Of course no one is beholden to anyone else to reveal why a political candidate becomes more desirable than another. It’s just quite telling and more than embarrassing when nonsense like anything “ObamaStuff” represents the best our nation has to offer. And while I don’t believe they really are the best, I fear they might represent the majority. And what a pity that is. We’ll just have to muddle through as best we can with what we end up getting.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 2:14 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    Mr. Heuer, below is what I believe you are referring to regarding Mr. Hutchins’ request of me - he instructed me specifically to cease from using the proper title of "Mr." on this forum when responding to his postings.

    "As I’ve never instructed anyone here to address me in any particular fashion, I find it completely out of line for those who have never met me to use my first name or derivatives thereof. Indeed, those who take such liberties here don’t do so as a matter of respect – it’s a deliberate form of disrespect (not that I care as I simply consider the source)"

    As you can see, I did not write that I thought it to be "insulting," but "out of line." And it is. The only change I would make in retrospect would be to add the word “usually” before “…it’s a deliberate form of disrespect...” I was taught to address all adults by their proper titles until I got to know them better - it has ALWAYS been a form of respect on my part; even toward those with whom I might vehemently disagree. And since the odds are I’ll never actually meet any of you fine folks to get to know you better, I will continue to address you as I have in the past. Yet for Mr. Hutchins to direct me not to use the proper title is indeed peculiar.

    Since I've never asked him or anyone else here to address me in any particular way, it is of course up to you how you might choose to behave in this regard – just keep in mind that the choice you make will tell much more about you than it does about me. If you think it permissible and proper to use just my last name, then by all means follow your own sense of decorum and decency; I won't attempt to guide you as you've already admitted that you are older than I. And if you choose to simply ignore me, than please be assured I won’t be insulted.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:21 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    What motivation do people who are poor have to make themselves better if they can go through life eating subsidized food, living in subsidized housing while talking on their subsidized cell phones?

    The ObamaPhone video harks back to a 2008 clip during which an Obama voter gushed about how Obama’s election victory meant she no longer had to worry about paying her mortgage or filling her car with gas. http://youtu.be/P36x8rTb3jI

    The delusion that these people are living under knows no bounds.

    If at all interested here is the truth about the "Obamaphone" watch the following...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCqU8yarNpc&feature=share&list=SPBFB75A4E2BDC6DC7

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:07 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    Please humor my naïve status and simply let me know how our freedoms are threatened?

    You pose the questions;
    "How many of those here illegally have committed violent crimes against citizens. and legal aliens?"
    Is there an known answer?

    " Our prisons are bursting at the seams owing to this problem alone."
    Again is there a known number of illegal aliens in prison for VIOLENT crimes? What is the percentage? I sincerely would like to know because my understanding is different than yours.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:52 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    An "intelligent" individual would be commenting on the information presented in the video I provided. [sleeping]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:49 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    In another post with Daniel you stated you don't like being called by your first name here. That those who address you by your first name insults you. I find that peculiedr. However I do wish to say I am guilty and appologize for any offense I inflicted. However I have a problem with such fomality outside of a court room. It has always been an awakward rite of passage when fresh out of school people calling you Mr something when you were use to directing the apalation but never receiving it. The direction was usuall to your elders. When young children addressed me it was not right to have them address me in familiar terms using only my first name. So I accepted either Mr Heuer or Mr Tom. To most any other adult except in business or in court I am Tom or Thomas. So for someone to expect me to address them as Mr so and so in informal settings when they are not my elder is to me a little demeaning. So I will refrain from calling you by your first name and instead just call you Kinderman. Refering to the comments by the girl as "eloquent" speaks to your extracting political commerce from an unfortunate circumstance. I as your senior see this as another reason I can't call you Mr anything.

    Now I wanted to comment on you Obama phone comment. If you got that from the Andrew video you should be ashamed. The young black girl was obviously mentally challenged. Andrew was even more out of line by refering to her as the "kool aid drinker".

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:19 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    "The way it works Ms Bobin ( for adults), one must view a video or read a book before they give critic of it's content." No No Limbach, being an adult is something you have never experienced. Being an adult is haveing the ability to COMPRENEND which you obviously don't have the capacity. When I watched the movie or followed the videos it doesn't matter because there is always another catch for criticism. It doesn't take much to COMPRENEND the source is going to find more to criticize. You can watch the videos as I have and in a short time you can COMPRENEND the posters motives and objectives. I now can fully comment on any presentaion knowing the poster without having to review it. For those who spend inordinate amouts of time here and their social circle finds its limits here really have little to offer the general INTELLIGENT population.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 10:50 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1150

    "Regardless, I stand by my statement here"

    mean·ing·less /ˈmēniNGlis/

    Adjective 1. Having no meaning or significance. 2. Having no purpose or reason. Synonyms: pointless - senseless - unmeaning - insignificant - inane

    (Google.com)

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:17 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "That was reported on DAY ONE" couldn't be further from the truth.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/09/28/3025205/intelligence-office-says-it-got.html

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:12 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Exactly! [thumbup]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:11 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I can't read your mind either Darrell. You haven't told me what you think.

    As far as I'm concerned, I don't feel my post at 7:05 am was the least bit vague. Was it? Furthermore, doesn't the truth presented in the video speak for itself?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 6:13 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    Another little notion I found interesting here is that there are those who actually believe one can be jailed without first being convicted of a "crime," instead believing that the result of an administrative hearing could result in jail time.

    While people can be held in pre-trial confinement (in a jail) pending criminal adjudication, under most situations the U.S. Constitution provides for reasonable bail to be afforded. Exceptions usually include the high risk of the accused fleeing or committing other crimes.

    But I've never heard of anyone being sentence to jail unless first being convicted of a crime - at least not in the United States of America.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:04 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The Obama Administration has clung to its scenario that the attack was a sponataneous attack sparked by an anti-Islam video from DAY ONE!

    This scenario of a spontaneous attack was messaged by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney and U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice.

    Susan Rice made the Sunday talk show circuit just last weekend, sending that message on every show!

    President Obama still sent that message during his speech to the U.N. General Assembly on September 25th!

    "That is what we saw play out the last two weeks, as a crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world. I have made it clear that the United States government had nothing to do with this video, and I believe its message must be rejected by all who respect our common humanity. It is an insult not only to Muslims, but to America as well – for as the city outside these walls makes clear, we are a country that has welcomed people of every race and religion. We are home to Muslims who worship across our country. We not only respect the freedom of religion – we have laws that protect individuals from being harmed because of how they look or what they believe. We understand why people take offense to this video because millions of our citizens are among them."

    Why? I guess you'll never know why because " I have no intention of ever viewing one of your ridiculous youtube videos."

    You are therefore, opinionated rather than informed... In other words, willfully ignorant and mentally oblivious.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:57 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    It was just a question Andrew as I was interested in what "you " thought... I have followed up and know what I think. Since I cannot read your mind, I thought I would ask what was in it.

    At this point, I am not interested in your perspective, but thank you for providing the link.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:49 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Exactly! [thumbup]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:48 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Once again Ms. Bobin... Although you are entitled to your own opinions you are NOT entitled to your own facts!

    Section 1325 in Title 8 of the United States Code provides for a fine, imprisonment, or both for any immigrant who:

    "1.enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration agents, or"

    "2.eludes examination or inspection by immigration agents, or"

    "3.attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact."

    "The maximum prison term is 6 months for the first offense and 2 years for any subsequent offense. In addition to the above criminal fines and penalties, civil fines may also be imposed."

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:40 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Of course it is not criminal to enter the U.S. with PERMISSION and documentation. Millions of vacationers come from foreign countries to visit America annually. Non citizens entering the U.S. by avoiding INS agents and border crossing check stations are committing a Federal crime, even if they are simply deported and not prosecuted, Subsequent incursions by the same ILLEGAL entrant carry heavier penalties.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:33 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Regardless of what Joanne would like to think, ILLEGAL immigrants ARE committing a crime. They are breaking the law, pure and simple. She even refers to them as illegal and they ARE illegal. Any alien (non-citizen) who has entered the United States without government permission or stayed beyond the termination date of a visa is classified as an ILLEGAL alien and have committed a Federal Crime.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 5:20 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    Illegal aliens are most certainly a threat to our freedoms. To believe otherwise is simply naïve. How many of those here illegally have committed violent crimes against citizens and legal aliens? Our prisons are bursting at the seams owing to this problem alone. The illegal alien issue is not a victimless crime – it’s real and there are plenty of victims.

    What is also a crime is making criminals of those who desire to uphold the laws already on the books (Arizona). I never thought I’d see the day when the President of the United States would declare war against one of our own states.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 5:02 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    After looking back over my posts, something appears out of place. Either Mr. Schmidt made reference to the "ObamaPhone" here in error, or I mistakenly believed one of the removed posts made reference to the same subject that was also referred to in response to an entirely different LTE.

    Regardless, I stand by my statement here.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 4:55 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien

    ***

    Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers

    ***

    shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
    (http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/8/12/II/VIII/1325)

    Oh, I think entering this country illegally could easily be considered a "crime" and the person doing so considered a “criminal.” Whether or not law enforcement entities choose to prosecute these people is an entirely different matter.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 4:45 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    Mr. Schmidt, I wasn't referring to the program that was first developed for land-line service for low-income people (Lifeline); but only to bring to light the silly woman who garnered her own 15 minutes of fame as she exclaimed precisely why she was voting for Obama instead of Romney. It was her "ObamaPhone" and little else. (My original comment in this regard stated, “After four long years of no leadership at all, I can only be hopeful that this lesson has been learned. All we need are people who care more about where we are going than their free ObamaPhone.”)

    As my original post appears to have been removed owing to reasons unknown to me, my specific point was to bring attention to how little the American people think before casting their votes. If, as this one individual so eloquently screamed the greatest reason to vote for Obama was to continue to keep her free cell phone, then we really shouldn’t be at all surprised that we’re in the condition we now find this country.

    What might turn out to be a strange turn of fate, the woman in the video might find herself without her prized possession as I believe the program is about to be investigated to determine its current value. It may very well be she who will be embarrassed and quite saddened.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:37 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    Great posts Joanne
    The juvenile (and tireing repititions) is a bit much. It is too bad some sort of agreement can't be reached but then you have to consider who you are making the agreement with. OK I've made another opening for Darrell oh wait he posts after everything.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:31 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    I don't think its illegal to leave Mexico to come to America. I mean its not communist ot anything. However in America it is illegal to litter on the roads (or most anywhere else), its illegal in many places to posses or set off fire works, its illegal to text while driving. it is illegal to steal which so many banks and financials did to us (a bigger crime than working aliens), uh you get the picture. Illegal is a relative term. Shoot someone, don't pay your taxes and some one is coming after you. All other crimes are a matter of resources. Thats why when someone wants to limit government they don't relaize our freedoms are only as secure as we have resources to protect them. Undocumeted workers are not a threat to our freedoms.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 4:13 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2572

    Poor Jerome, apparently he doesn't realize that the program subsidizing phone service for poor people was passed by the Republican Congress way back in 1996.

    How embarrassing!

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2012/09/28/crazy-for-obama-phones-but-are-they-for-real/

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:10 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    Andrew, thank you.Your best post yet. I commend you. Tell them to do their own stinking research especially since you made it so easy for them.If this should come across as mocking I want to assure you it is mostly sincere. This was a great post.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:04 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1591

    OMG (oops I can't use that with Brian we'll get the apocalyptic weather report and it will go on and on and...)) . Brian has a sense of humor and in less than 2 sentences. Oh my

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:49 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Now I understand that many individuals who frequent this forum have the attention span of a two year old but please find 20 minutes to watch the following video. I promise it will blow your mind or at the very least make you realize just how much you are lied to."

    1. I have no intention of ever viewing one of your ridiculous youtube videos which only a "two year old" would use as documentation for anything, and

    2. It has already been reported that the attack in Libya more likely was NOT related to the anti-Islam film, but was pre-planned to coincide with the backlash from that film.

    That was reported on DAY ONE.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 3:28 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Whenever Ms. Bobin disagrees with Kinderman, Baumbach, etc. I know they must be saying something that has content, wisdom, thoughtfulness.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:27 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "Actually, Mr. Liebich, entering the US illegally is not considered a crime. Look it up."

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:17 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Follow up? Links to the information contained in the video were provided. What's stopping you from "following up" yourself?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:33 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Andrew, have you followed up on information given out in this video ? If so, what did you find?

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 12:57 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1150

    "This is what I do and I find it quite relaxing"

    [lol]

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:47 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    Actually Mr. Baumbach, there seems to have been at least one LTE authored by one Joanne Bobin (http://www.lodinews.com/opinion/letters/article_fb68e5f5-ecc0-528d-885e-ccc97350035c.html).

    What I find interesting is that although I found little of value in that offering, neither I nor anyone else called upon the LNS to stop printing letters like that one. Although the LNS is under no obligation to print anyone's letter, I think they do so simply out of fundamental fairness. Moreover - and this could be key - no one has ever required that we read any letter to the editor. So my suggestion would be to simply ignore those that we find not to our liking. This is what I do and I find it quite relaxing.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 10:19 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1889

    WAAAaaa !! Nothing I love better than whiney LIBERALS doing what they do best, WHINE. If you don't like a LTE, DON'T READ IT.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:17 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...we have free speech in this country, but the LNS is a private company that is not compelled to printed every piece of garbage that is submitted...

    More Tina Fey moments Ms Bobin? How entertaining.

    Of course they are not compelled to print every piece... That is obvious as no one has even seen a letter submitted by Joanne Bobin because I'm sure they all have been rejected. LNS does have it's standards after all.

    Am I right Ms Bobin? If not, maybe its just that LNS is objective and provides a fair and balanced medium for people to express what they think even if they disagree with it's content.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:47 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    When will the LNS stop publishing this trash? They claim editorial discretion, which they should and we have free speech in this country, but the LNS is a private company that is not compelled to printed every piece of garbage that is submitted.

    I am beginning to wonder who the CRAZY LITTLE OLD LADY is that OK's this c/rap and puts it in the paper.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:05 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The rules are simple: They lie to us, we know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, but they keep lying to us, and we keep pretending to believe them.

    After the killing of the U.S. ambassador and two ex-Navy SEALs, President Obama and top State Department officials portrayed the attack as a spontaneous reaction to an Internet video depicting the Muslim prophet Mohammad as a lascivious brute. The protests, White House spokesman Jay Carney said, were “in response to a video—a film—that we have judged to be reprehensible and disgusting.”

    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Every indication points to the fact that the attack was carried out by Al-Qaeda affiliated terrorists whom NATO supported during last year’s bombardment of Libya, the same bands of Salafists who have destroyed mosques and shrines across Libya and whose goal is to impose sharia law.

    Now there is mounting evidence that the White House’s initial portrayal of the attacks as a mere outgrowth of protest was incorrect—or, at the very least, incomplete.

    Now I understand that many individuals who frequent this forum have the attention span of a two year old but please find 20 minutes to watch the following video. I promise it will blow your mind or at the very least make you realize just how much you are lied to.

    http://youtu.be/7os9D-EsFmM

     

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