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Posted: Wednesday, May 4, 2011 12:00 am | Updated: 6:05 am, Wed May 4, 2011.

It never ceases to amaze me how many airheads and do-gooders continue to buy into the class warfare garbage of Karl Marx and Barack Obama. Have we learned nothing from history? Many are too young to remember the track record in Cuba; much less the breakup of the Soviet Union and eastern Europe.

For the record, many in the Democratic party loved Castro and Che Guevara. Jimmy Carter is still on good terms with Fidel.

It was several years before the liberals discovered that really good socialists become tyrants. The far left in this country still believe socialism is a good model for government; it is so compassionate. Balderdash! Look at the tyranny in Cuba; watch Obama’s role model in Venezuela — Hugo Chavez

Folks, we must wake up and face up to the fact that an ever-increasing concentration of power in the central government always leads to fascism. Labor unions are not for the laborers; unions are structured to serve union leaders. Power is the name of the game. Look at Congress: Pelosi, Reid, Durbin, Boxer and Schumer. Do you think they care one whit about you — or the country?

It’s Chicago politics, orchestrated by President Obama and his far left cronies. Vote them out!

Jerry Osgood

Galt

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45 comments:

  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:57 pm on Tue, Jun 14, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2239

    Ya gotta love these conservatives, Obama is apparently SO EVIL that he is both a malevolent socialist dictator and a nefarious capitalist monopolist.

    I bet that if you got Gary drunk he would also claim that Obama is a mad scientist.

     
  • stan taves posted at 10:20 pm on Thu, May 5, 2011.

    Stan Taves Posts: 303

    Schminka- dinka... Don't you people see what's really going on around here? The people in the White House want those on the productive side to give more to the non-productive side -- aka "redistribution". The idea being that capitalism has flaws that can can only be rectified through "social engineering". The problem is that these crazy people ( who like to think of themselves as intellectuals ) completely ignore the physical reality that is always applied once a threat appears imminent. In other words, the harder you maniacs keep pushing, the more the "real wealth" disappears -- I guess they'll just keep printin' won't they?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:50 pm on Thu, May 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Brian... I think you are too kind and give Ms Bobin too much credit... I do not think she understands . very much of anything as she refuses to engage or articulate any specifics but is quick to go off topic
    and attack the person instead of the issue itself... I have been waiting for months for one point to be made without attacking the person... Im not sure she has the ability to contribute anything of value. Maybe she will prove me wrong by actually answering my questions and showing where her position makes sense... I will not hold my breath.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:45 pm on Thu, May 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Brian... I think you are too kind and give Ms Bobin too much credit... I do not think she understands . very much of anything as she refuses to engage or articulate any specifics but is quick to go off topic
    and attack the person instead of the issue itself... I have been waiting for months for one point to be made without attacking the person... Im not sure she has the ability to contribute anything of value. Maybe she will prove me wrong by actually answering my questions and showing where her position makes sense... I will not hold my breath.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:37 pm on Thu, May 5, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    Darrell,

    It is simply useless to try to get Joanne to admit that she understands Obama's motive to centralize the government is an attempt to take power away from the people.
    In other words, it would mean she would have top betray Obama, that meaning, throw him ounder the bus.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:50 pm on Thu, May 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Bobin stated... Mr. Baumbach. I think they are pretty clear as stated and when called on them you flip-flop like a fish out of water. Maybe you are in over your head.
    Ms Bobin slip sliding away.. the famous two step shuffle... maybe if you actually responded to the point instead of silly diversions... it would be better for all... or is your answer so bad you would rather side step again?

    Ill ask the question again... Ms bobin.... Do you not see see a relationship in government growth, size, control and centralization of power and the possibility that future politicians and leaders may take advantage of that power and structure??... and finally... again... especially sense you claim I am in way over my head, it would be interesting if you articulated why increased centralization and government control couldn't possible take us in a direction that could lead to a less free society and possibly socialism...

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:58 pm on Thu, May 5, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    I truly feel sorry for your need to tell everyone they are constantly misinterpreting your comments, Mr. Baumbach. I think they are pretty clear as stated and when called on them you flip-flop like a fish out of water. Maybe you are in over your head.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 3:33 pm on Thu, May 5, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2239

    I eventually gave the car to my little brother and he took it down to Pendleton when he was stationed there. The story was that he lost it somehow in Mexico. He never did say how and I figured I probably didn't want to know.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 2:44 pm on Thu, May 5, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1904

    Steve, you just described my oldest son's dream car. He's talking about getting one and restoring it over a few years. Thou, I will insist he put a greener engine in the sucker.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 2:32 pm on Thu, May 5, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2239

    Back in the late 80s when I was driving it, the Nova would dust just about any new car on the road. The speedometer went up to 140 but the car went faster.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 2:31 pm on Thu, May 5, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2239

    LOL!!!

    Gary, as it happens, my first car was a matte black 1967 195 hp, 283 cu in, V-8 Chevy Nova SS Coupe.

    Now that was a bad a$$ car!

    I do wish that I still had that Nova, even though the gas would put me in the poor house. Pure power!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:03 pm on Thu, May 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Ms Bobin stated...do you really believe that the states have taken the correct path in the past? Too many missteps make "Mama and Papa" mistrust the wisdom of the "children" to govern every aspect of their lives.
    Sounds like a direct quote from Karl Marx... according to comrade Bobin.... The Federal government needs to be Big Brother and make sure the states take the “CORRECT” path... and of course... Ms Bobin and her ilk know exactly what is good for us... so comforting. The states cannot be trusted …
    we need the wisdom of the Feds to guarantee and force a fair outcome just like in Arizona... In all sincerity Ms Bobin... you scare the h*ll out of me.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 11:29 am on Thu, May 5, 2011.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 469

    At least the "angry" words used by the writer are actual words...But then Mr. Schmidt actually posted 4 times here without using his usual "teabagger" or "birhtbagger" pig English. I'm proud of you!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:32 am on Thu, May 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    By the way... nobody anywhere thinks “Obamacare” is a “socialist program”... you missed the point entirely... we are talking about incrementalism where one thing leads to the next... just like social security ... it has involved over the years to make people in the older years completely dependent on government in a significant way... is that not one of many parts of the whole where government has the power and control... It would be interesting if you articulated why increased centralization and government control couldn't possible take us in a direction that could lead to a less free society and possibly socialism...

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:31 am on Thu, May 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Joanne Bobin posted at 3:22…order to believe that "Obamacare" and all of the other un-named socialist programs instituted by President Obama are leading us to socialism/fascism/communism (all economic and political systems that are equal in the minds of the extreme right).
     Really Ms bobin.... you see no relationship in government growth, size, control and centralization of power and the possibility that future politicians and leaders may take advantage of that power and structure...
    Come to think about it, I understand how you might not make the connection... you could jump in a swimming pool, climb out dripping with water, look confused as to why water is on your body.... you just can not make the connection.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 7:12 am on Thu, May 5, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    I guess I was at the right house then, having a "I Bend for Obama" sticker on that faded, rusted out Chevy Nova kinda gave it away.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:28 pm on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Kevin stated....The ONLY way to prevent a political/economic.social collapse in the US is to cut back on the power of the central government and spread it to the states.

    Kevin's point is in line with the points I was making... As the central government gains more control and power, we gravitate toward socialism... Obama care centralizes health care... Federal control... and gives less power to the state... Obama care is simply a stepping stone to single payer national health care... which within 10 years is inevitable... just my opinion.

    Eric stated...Since Clinton revamped the welfare system in 96 there are limits on benefits and recipients are required to work after a certain matter of time. This pretty much creates a system where people are getting a hand up not a hand out.

    Eric... I think this is one of the very good things Clinton did... thank you for making that point...we are better off because of it... however... there are still many loop holes that people take advantage of...

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:26 pm on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    Mr. Paglia, aside from the fact that you painted the right's "values" is such pretty colors and the left's "values" in hues of black and gray, do you really believe that the states have taken the correct path in the past? Too many missteps make "Mama and Papa" mistrust the wisdom of the "children" to govern every aspect of their lives.

    Unfortunately, things like Jim Crow, segregation, literacy tests, etc., have made Mom and Pop leary. How do we live in a nation with "freedom and justice for all" when simply crossing a border affords or negates rights the entire nation should have?

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 4:18 pm on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2239

    Gary, I think most people would take notice if a 300 pound man in a rusting Pacer with a "Wide Stance Republican" bumper sticker parked in front of their home listening to Rush Limbaugh with the windows rolled down.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:40 pm on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1448

    Kevin I agree with most of what you said especially the last paragraph. We do need to pay taxes and if you want to term that taking of wealth I guess thats fair and if using tax dollars on social programs is termed "giving it to others" that could be one way to put it. It's kind of a trick of semantics but I guess it's fair. I do have a problem with the statement that the goverment is giving out money for doing nothing. Since Clinton revamped the welfare system in 96 there are limits on benefits and reciepients are required to work after a certain matter of time. This pretty much creates a system where people are getting a hand up not a hand out.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 3:32 pm on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1904

    I'm sorry, I left out something. This isn't Obama's fault but rather a growing population of people that believe that the government should mandate moral convictions. It is interesting isn't it, the left scream about the right using government and laws to promote their moral standards (traditionalism, christian ethics and such) all the while demanding the government mandate the left's moral standard (wealth redistribution, handouts, and an abundance of social programing).

    It doesn't matter which political party, left or right, liberal or conservative, Dem. or rep., the country continues to march on blindly into its future like a giant herd of lemmings. Eventually it will discover the cliff edge but it will be to late as we won't know how to stop.

    The ONLY way to prevent a political/economic.social collapse in the US is to cut back on the power of the central government and spread it to the states. To use the image of a motorcycle, the central government should be nothing more than the frame while the states fill out the rest, right now the government is trying to be the whole bike.

    The government should be a unifying force in the US but it is easy to see how much it is dividing us. It isn't hard to see a time when the US splits into two or more separate countries where the scene will look a little like the subway system in NY with people trying to get to the new country that best represents them. AFTER this happens and wounds heal there may be a time when the separate countries form a mutual benefit pact but laws operating separate of each other.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:22 pm on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    Actually, I think Mr. Barrow is really in a "comma." After reading the post below, he no doubt "paused" to try to absorb such an irrelevant citation from "expedia" and "traveled" back in time to stretch his imagination in order to believe that "Obamacare" and all of the other un-named socialist programs instituted by President Obama are leading us to socialism/fascism/communism (all economic and political systems that are equal in the minds of the extreme right).

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 3:16 pm on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1904

    You are right, Eric, having social programs does not make us a socialist country. But the taking of wealth from one group to give to another group by the government does border on socialist ideals. The thought that some people earn "too much" money and it should be taken away to give to others is socialistic. If left on checked it will crush the capitalist economy since why should people work hard and succeed if the government will just give them money for doing nothing? Unfortunately more and more people are discovering the "advantages" of being America being a handout economy.

    Clarification; there is a difference between a hand out and a hand up. I have no problem with helping people who A) can't do for themselves b) are working to make their situation better. I DO have a problem helping people who are able but unwilling.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:15 pm on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Eric Barrow posted at 1:39 pm...now you want to bring up an economist that died sixty years ago to prove how Obama is turning us into a socialist country...
    Eric... please keep focused on the subject and stop changing it... you stated you did not see any signs of becoming socialists......that to me means zero... none... zilch... nothing... less than one item...

    I would think the data I submitted was to demonstrate that it is possible, that a reasonable person just might see one or two signs of the long process that could take 100 years more to achieve. That does not mean that Obama is trying to turn us into a socialist country... it means that there are societal progressions that indicate symptoms that could escalate to socialism... two symptoms ( of many)are increased government control and pitting the rich against the poor... we may well continue with capitalism... I simply gave Obamacare as one example of increased government control as it involves 1/6 of our economy... this is why I thought you would have to be in a comma to not see at least one symptom of potential development toward socialism … Not “one” sign Eric? Please!

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:39 pm on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1448

    Darrell you where the one who said "I deal in observing the world around me and experience." now you want to bring up an economist that died sixty years ago to prove how Obama is turning us into a socialist country. Maybe you could look around the real world and see if you can find an example of socialism creeping in to you life. Last I checked we are a democratic government with a capitalist economy. Having social programs does not make us socialist that’s a paranoia that’s been going on since FDR

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:07 pm on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Eric stated....Relax Mr. Osgood we are almost 3 years into Obama and I don't believe we have become socialist nor do we show signs of becoming socialist...
    Eric... because you value economists... I quoted one below... I think if you do not see signs of socialism, you might be in a comma ( all from expedia)
    Socialists hold that capitalism is an illegitimate economic system, since it serves the interests of the wealthy and allows the exploitation of lower classes( what did Obama say to Joe the plumber?). As such, they wish to replace it completely or at least make substantial modifcations to it, in order to create a more just society that would guarantee a certain basic standard of living.

    Joseph Schumpeter, an Austrian economist, presents an alternative mechanism of how socialism will come about from a Weberian perspective: the increasing bureaucratisation ( ObamaCare)of society that occurs under capitalism will eventually necessitate state-control to better coordinate economic activity.
    In addition, For Marxists, the development of capitalism in western Europe provided a material basis for the possibility of bringing about SOCIALISM because, according to the Communist Manifesto, "What the bourgeoisie produces above all is its own grave diggers", namely the working class, which must become conscious of the historical objectives set it by society

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 11:30 am on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    How's the fishing Steve???......Chuckle, Chuckle.
    By the way were you waiting for someone special to come by your house or do you always go outside at night to check for the Boogie man, Boo.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 11:16 am on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2239

    Eric Barrow wrote: Unless Mr. Osgood has been physically or emotionally beaten up by liberals I would guess he is afraid. Relax Mr. Osgood we are almost 3 years into Obama and I don't believe we have become socialist nor do we show signs of becoming socialist.

    Well, Eric, I guess it is time for me to come clean. I am the liberal in question. I beat Jerry up in third grade, took his lunch money and redistributed it to the poor. I also forced him to respect cultural diversity and I made him speak esperanto for a week.

    This anger that Jerry's been carrying over the decades, its all on me.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:01 am on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1448

    It's my understanding that anger is a secondary emotion based in fear and/or pain so we have to ask ourselves is Mr. Osgood afraid of liberals or have liberals somehow caused him pain. Unless Mr. Osgood has been physically or emotionally beaten up by liberals I would guess he is afraid. Relax Mr. Osgood we are almost 3 years into Obama and I don't believe we have become socialist nor do we show signs of becoming socialist. It seems the better things get in this country (under Obama) the more frenzied the right becomes

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:53 am on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    Amusing that posters who agree with a certain poster are not "angry," while those who disagree with a certain poster are "angry, uncivil, ignorant, naive, not of sufficient age to make proper judgments...and on and on." Perhaps a rereading of one's own material would refresh memory?

     
  • Ryan Jameson posted at 10:53 am on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Ryan Jameson Posts: 195

    Mrs. Bobin, yes thank you for the correction. They are nouns.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 10:48 am on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1323

    Well maybe we should all listen to both versions of the Coca Cola ads.

    There seems to be a lot of rationalization as to when they can use language as just general nature to describe someone. As long as it's not them. If it is, they take umbrage.

    I personally don't take offense when these terms might be used to describe me. I just consider that the writer has lilmited ability to describe those not like them or engage in some sort of debate, their position being so thin and shakey that they have to "puff" it up with nonsence.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 10:36 am on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1323

    Mr. Kinderman, Nothing can be resolved until I find out if you're referring to the Coca Cola ad featuring The Serendipity Singers or the Hillside Singers.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 9:46 am on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2239

    Gary, I am both honored and a little frightened to see that you have followed me here for the sole purpose of insulting me.

    I don't think I have ever had my very own stalker before.

    BTW, was that you sitting in the darkened car out front last night? I would have brought you a cup of coffee if I had known.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:26 am on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2323

    So if one doesn't write a letter that includes the lyrics to the old Coca Cola commercial "I'd like to teach the world to sing," they're steeped in anger? I’d say it’s nothing more than a letter to the editor of a small California Central Valley newspaper containing someone’s opinion published on the Op/Ed page. From where I sit at this tender hour of a gorgeous Spring morning, the world still spins on its axis and I’m enjoying observing our First Amendment in action. This is precisely what the Founders had in mind as they were dreaming about this nation of ours.

    But I won’t sit idly by while someone suggests that words like “airheads, do-gooders, socialists, tyrants, socialism, fascism, far left cronies” should be stricken from our national discourse. If someone is angry, then let him/her be angry. Anger is as valid as any other human emotion – we simply need to be able to control it and then wield what it produces in a mature and safe manner.

    Finally (and I know this has been said before ad nauseum), there is nothing in the Constitution that protects any of us from being offended. What offends one may very well evoke celebration from another. I advise those so terribly aggrieved to try and understand why they’ve been offended and then set out to do something about it – civilly and within the confines of the law.

    I thank God I’m an American!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:07 am on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    Mr. Jameson stated: "How are the words; "socialists", "socialism", "tyrants" and "fascism", angry words? They may be meant to hurl insult but as defining adjectives I think they are appropriate."

    You meant defining NOUNS, right?

    Now that the birth certificate is out and bin Laden is dead, the right needs to stir up the spectre of SOCIALISM again to frighten the populace and send them to cower under the voting booths casting furtive votes for...WHO?

    With almost 60% today saying they wouldn't vote for either Trump or Palin, we're left with Romney (wrong religion/socialist health care plan in MA) and Huckabee (another birther). On the plus side for Huckabee, the WH wouldn't have to pay for entertainment during his presidency - Capitol Offense could just play "gratis" at all state functions.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 8:41 am on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Ryan, you're not going to get any list of evidence to back any claim Steve makes, he just throws out his net and sees what he can reel in, kinda childish school yard behavior if you ask me, but then again, that's just my OPINION.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:28 am on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Steve... you could call me a fascist or right wing nut job and ... no offense taken as I would have to consider the source and intent from where the insult came from... as well as the fact that it would have no basis in reality... just an opinion... now if the intent was malicious, which I do not think you are, that would be different.

     
  • Ryan Jameson posted at 8:13 am on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Ryan Jameson Posts: 195

    Well Steve, what about my conservative views would suggest that I am a fascist? You can call me that if you want. First prove it. Give me the list of evidence and then state your claim. I would not call you a socialist because I do not have enough evidence to suggest that is what you are. Fidel Castro on the other hand, I could make a case for calling him all sorts of things. Jerry does not really provide any evidence of his belief that people on the left are "socialists", hence my disagreement with how this letter was written.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 7:59 am on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2239

    So Ryan, if, based on your conservative views, I were to call you a fascist, I assume you would not take offense?

     
  • Ryan Jameson posted at 7:54 am on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Ryan Jameson Posts: 195

    How are the words; "socialists", "socialism", "tyrants" and "fascism", angry words? They may be meant to hurl insult but as defining adjectives I think they are appropriate. Calling Fidel Castro a socialist is hardly an angry definition. You may be angry about it but it is not an angry word. "Do-gooders", "airheads" and the like are angry words and are completely subjective to personal views on people. Evidence can be used to suggest that someone is a socialist. To suggest someone is an airhead is simply a personal viewpoint (angry or not) that is difficult to prove. However, once you have proven or at least attained a reasonable conclusion that someone is a socialist, by all means call them an airhead!

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:09 am on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    My first post should have said: and thus resulting in more power to the people.

    Because Obama knows darn well a smaller government amounts out to more power to the people.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:05 am on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    Mike,

    I would like to introduce you to the term:

    The LARGER the government the SMALLER the person.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:02 am on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    Mike,

    Can you offer us up some evidence that Obama does NOT want to grow government
    and thus resulting in less power to the people?

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:30 am on Wed, May 4, 2011.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1323

    A lot of anger from the right. So early in the morning to!

    Angry Word Count:
    airheads
    do-gooders
    socialists
    tyrants
    socialism
    fascism
    far left cronies Total Angry Words:7

     

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