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Posted: Saturday, March 3, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:40 am, Sat Mar 3, 2012.

How shocking to see the Susan G. Komen Foundation give $650,000 to Planned Parenthood last year, the largest provider of abortions (more than 300,000 in 2010), with annual revenues exceeding $1 billion. At an average of $500, that translates into about $164 million of revenue per year. These donations were expected to fund breast cancer research.

They were defunding Planned Parenthood because it has been under congressional and criminal investigations by attorneys general, local prosecutors and various regulatory agencies in Arizona, Indiana, Alabama, Kansas and Texas for allegations including failure to report criminal child sex abuse, misuse of health care and family-planning funds, and failure to comply with parental-involvement laws regarding abortion.

The dirty little secret is most underaged girls are impregnated by older men, which is statutory rape requiring reporting to the authorities.

Sue Thayer, former manager of a Planned Parenthood clinic in Storm Lake, Iowa where the telemed abortion scheme was implemented in 2008, said the lower overhead associated with telemed abortions made them a mega-moneymaker even though they increased health and safety risks. Telemed abortions were the experimental practice of distributing abortion pills over a video conferencing connection. She described "abortion quotas" every clinic was ordered to meet, and how abortion revenues accounted for 46 percent of the operating budget. When she voiced concerns about telemed abortions, she was "let go."

The Northern Illinois Women's Center in Rockford was ordered closed by the state. Inspectors found filthy surgical equipment and other nasty conditions that forced permanent closure.

The New Mexico Medical Board is investigating botched abortions at two Albuquerque abortion mills after 14 women were rushed to the hospital.

Disciplinary hearings for 10 Texas abortionists are being held before the Texas Medical Board for committing a wide range of violations of the law.

Four abortionists from Pennsylvania are going to jail in the House of Horror case that rocked Philadelphia.

After a 16-month Grand Jury investigation, abortionists Steven Chase Brigham and Nicola Irene Riley have been arrested and charged with murder for the deaths of viable babies at an illegal secret abortion clinic in Elkton, Md.

So much for the "legal, safe and rare" abortions touted by the fanatic Planned Parenthooders!

Phyllis Roche

Lodi

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75 comments:

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:43 pm on Fri, Mar 9, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Hummm... Well, when you file your taxes, the state of California would approve the distribution for pot... but Federally, the IRS still does'nt approve medical pot from an HSA... sometimes I feel like a kill joy( smile)

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 1:24 pm on Fri, Mar 9, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1991

    The exercise bike may be out, but a perscription for pot would be covered. ;-) Gotta love our government.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:56 pm on Fri, Mar 9, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Kevin, I like your idea about the health savings account. However, the only distribuions that can be made are ones the IRS determines to be a qualified distribution. So if there is a dispute between the IRS and what the patient decides on a treatment they prefer, the IRS always wins. For example, you cannot buy an exercise bike with HSA money according to the IRS, even if your doctor wants you to.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 10:26 am on Fri, Mar 9, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mskl: This is not a BC issue...it is a tactical diversionary method often used by people in power...it is know as obfuscation and desperation argumentation. When I grew up if a girl was sleeping with three or four men at a time she was known as a sult...whether or not it was true. Are you trying to say that a woman should be given $3000.00 per year by the taxpayers so she can have save sex with multiple men? I'm sorry...we don't want to. I agree with KP.

    The pill prevents births? I will give you that. What I will not give you is that it prevents sexually transmitted diseases...that many young women and men have never even heard of. Giving a twelve year old girl or boy a condom might...but then the agrument for me becomes...where are the parents...not too many twelve year olds are in law school...or are they??? What REALLY prevents both??? Staying out of the sack.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 7:01 am on Fri, Mar 9, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1991

    The thought occurs to me the BEST way to deal with issues like BC and other lower cost medical issues iw to have ALL insurance programs offer a Health Savings Account option. Wife and I have one and use it all the time. It basically creates a cash well for the individual/family to use when medical incidentals (not a surgery or such). This way it falls to the individual to buy what they feel they need and the company/institution can safely say they have met their moral beliefs by NOT providing anythng against their beliefs.

    And K Lee, I was not saying that BC was a LEFT issue. Only that wondering if many on the left believed that BC and cancer were equal as whoever it was stated. Most people I talk to see cancer as a much larger issue than birth control. Note that I said Birth control, not using BC to treat other medical issues.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:08 am on Fri, Mar 9, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    K Lee stated...More birth control pills = less abortions. I would think that conservative minded folks would be in full support of paying for birth control pills

    I guess with that logic, conservative minded people would encourage same sex marriage... sex with same sex partner= birth control= less abortions.

    This is getting scary... I am beginning to understand K Lee's way of thinking.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:04 am on Fri, Mar 9, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    According to the Dr Oz show, tubal ligation significantly reduces rates of ovarian cancer. A report published this past July analyzed studies tracking women after a tubal sterilization was performed and found that that ovarian cancer risk was cut by as much as 34%!

    Should be pay for this too? Should be pay for all things that prevent disease. Should we pay for all things that makes people healthy... a good diet with vegetables reduces obesity... a membership to the health club... bicycles...meditation with a holy monk... all these things reduce stress and disease... should we pay for all that... I guess K Lee would be in favor of paying for what ever improves health and reduces disease... we should pay for it all... money grows on trees anyway...right?

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 12:44 am on Fri, Mar 9, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    More birth control pills = less abortions. I would think that conservative minded folks would be in full support of paying for birth control pills.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 12:25 am on Fri, Mar 9, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Kevin wrote, "Could someone on the left please clarify this for me. Do you really see birth control as the same as cancer treatment as Mr. lucas just said?"

    And by the way, Kevin, millions of conservative women use birth control pills every day. Catholic women (98% of them!) have used birth control pills. And nuns use them too. So, I am not really sure why you are trying to make this into a "left" issue.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 11:19 pm on Thu, Mar 8, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Kevin wrote, "Could someone on the left please clarify this for me. Do you really see birth control as the same as cancer treatment as Mr. lucas just said?"

    Birth control pills can do a lot to prevent cancers. Birth control pills are used for a lot more than just birth control. Birth control pills reduce the risk of ovarian and uterine cancer. Birth control pills can also control polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS), a very painful female issue involving the menstrual cycle. Over time, PCOS can lead to endometrial hyperplasia and cancer. Women with PCOS are at risk for endometrial cancer, so getting the PCOS under control (with birth control pills or a hysterectomy... a last resort) is crucial to good health and quality of life. Other studies have shown that the birth control pills may even help prevent breast cancer as they regulate hormones. Many breast cancers are sensitive to the hormone estrogen. This means that estrogen causes the breast cancer tumor to grow. If a woman's hormones are irregular and she produces too much estrogen this could be very dangerous for her. There is a lot more information on the topic… google it if you have females in your life that you love dearly.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 11:06 am on Thu, Mar 8, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Check the court ruling on fetus viability...it is an interesting read. The technoloy that we currently have can help a fetus survive at a younger and younger age. What will technology bring in the future?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:38 am on Thu, Mar 8, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Kevin,

    Read this... http://infanticide.org/history.htm

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 7:06 am on Thu, Mar 8, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1991

    Any bets on IF this were to come to be if PP would offer it?

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ethicists-argue-in-favor-of-after-birth-abortions-as-newborns-are-not-persons/

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:27 pm on Tue, Mar 6, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Andrew: I think your post at 10:01 PM Monday was very accurate except for one thing. I would not conclude that Ms Bobin is being played. I think she is very well aware of the reality you point out but since Ms Bobin appreciates and encourages the activity that Sandra Fluke is engaged in, I think she rather enjoys who is being played and that they are being played.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 11:59 am on Tue, Mar 6, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Andrew: msb is one of those people who want to tell you what you don't know and in the same breath what she and everyone she knows does know. Well written response...you are coming along nicely.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:01 pm on Mon, Mar 5, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    What is it about Sandra Fluke's staged testimony that you don't understand Ms. Bobin?

    In one of her first interviews she is quoted as talking about how she reviewed Georgetown's insurance policy prior to committing to attend, and seeing that it didn't cover contraceptive services, she decided to attend with the express purpose of battling this policy. Fluke has described herself as a third year law student at Georgetown University, and indeed, that is what she is. However, contrary to the narrative of innocent victimhood that portrays Fluke as a wide-eyed 23-year-old girl caught without contraception on a college campus full of predatory men, Fluke herself is really a 30-year-old womens rights activist who not only didn’t get caught without contraception at Georgetown, but specifically knew the university didn’t cover it and chose to attend for precisely that reason.

    In other words, Ms. Bobin, you are being played. She has been an activist all along and the Dems were just waiting for the appropriate time to play her. While she is described as a "third year law student" she was also the past president of Law Students for Reproductive Justice. Unless you are a libtard, it doesn't take much to figure out that we are being duped. Essentially Obama is demanding another entitlement - free contraception/abortion/sterilization - and he is d-imposing his own morality on that of the Catholic Church - an institution far older than the United States of America or any other political system.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:38 pm on Mon, Mar 5, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Why Ms Bobin, thank you very much for the entertainment...
    You ridicule people for referring to Wikipedia as if it is unreasonable to use... then you refer to it yourself to substantiate your point ( that's funny).... then you roll on the floor with laughter after reading something that a “stable” person would not have laughed at ( maybe smirked or smiled,but not not you did)... this from a person who is afraid to walk in Lodi in fear of bigots around every corner ( as you have so often stated)... you also often quote the Stewart show as if you are watching a documentary by CSPAN... yes Ms bobin, reading your posts is entertaining. I thank you again for your unintentional effort to bring humor to people's lives.
    All I can say is that your mood swings and inappropriate reactions to events are without doubt an event in itself.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 7:39 pm on Mon, Mar 5, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mrssman: I have had a beard for 27 years...twenty two swallow nests, several bug fights and a couple partridges have visited.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:37 pm on Mon, Mar 5, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "It means that one does not know what a foreign policy is...Iraq was a war. All wars are a disaster in my view. War is not a policy...if one were to talk about real foreign policy disasters, one would quickly look to Barack Obama."

    I'm sorry, I am writing this from the floor from which I was unable to remove myself after laughing so hard at this statement, which I nominate as the most ridiculous comment of the year!

    WAR IS NOT FOREIGN POLICY? Oh, it is just war, that's all. The US invades a country that has not threatened us with any physical harm, under the pretense (later proved false - except for those sticklers who still think the WMD's are SOMEWHERE in Iraq) that WMD's exist and are a threat to the US, and that IS NOT FOREIGN POLICY?

    Enough said. Hope I recover in time to get to work tomorrow morning.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 7:35 pm on Mon, Mar 5, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    msb: Anyone can make up "friends" that had problems...that is why the term hear-say is around... that is why courts require first hand testimony...this was just another Boxer and Buddies ploy to garner the women's vote. What else have they done lately? My brother needed a kidney transplant because of Agent Orange...would you pay for that?

    Again...one is preventable (pregnancy) the other (cancer) is not. If the pill is used as a therapy then that should be the decision of a doctor not the patient or the govt. ms fluke was not believable and in this case I am a juror.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:23 pm on Mon, Mar 5, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Paglia asked: "Could someone on the left please clarify this for me. Do you really see birth control as the same as cancer treatment as Mr. lucas just said?"

    And the hapless Mr. Maple answered: "KP: The argument falls flat in that one is preventable...the other just happens."

    Once again, most of the "conservative" men in this forum apparently don't pay attention - birth control pills can be used for a variety of purposes, the first of which is to prevent pregnancy, which, obviously, is why they were invented. BUT, BC pills are also used to treat a variety of other conditions such as ovarian cysts and endometriosis (Please look up those conditions which the two above are probably unfamiliar with). Besides that, from Mr. Baumbach's favorite reference tool, Wikipedia:

    "The use of oral contraceptives (birth control pills) for five years or more decreases the risk of ovarian cancer in later life by 50%.[116] Combined oral contraceptive use reduces the risk of ovarian cancer by 40% and the risk of endometrial cancer by 50% compared to never users. The risk reduction increases with duration of use, with an 80% reduction in risk for both ovarian and endometrial cancer with use for more than 10 years. The risk reduction for both ovarian and endometrial cancer persists for at least 20 years."

    If you cannot or do not want to believe Wikipedia, do your own research and stop making stupid comments about the birth control pill a la Rush Limbaugh who apparently thinks that one must take a pill each time they have relations. I'm rooting for both KP and PM to get educated on the subject.


    Meanwhile, l'll continue to wait for Ms. Bobin to proclaim Margaret Sanger wasn't a racist and the pages of Obamacare I listed are "conspiracy theory"...LOL

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:43 pm on Mon, Mar 5, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Steinberg wrote: You know, libtards and other Obaminations like to pretend that Barack Hussein Obama is the Mesiah..."

    A junior Rush in the making - keep up the mature talk there Lawrence.

    Mr. Maple wrote: "The best argument against ms fluke is the one I heard on a liberal radio station...$3000.00 each year while in law school...a codnom costs about $3 each...divide that by 365 that equals having sxe about 3 times a day...that's what they are learning in law school???... not only that I thought they were supposed to check their figures before the presented them to a jury (or congress). Am I wrong here??

    Short answer: YES. What is it about Sandra Fluke's testimony that you Neanderthals didn't understand? She said that a classmate who was unable to afford BC pills to prevent ovarian cysts had to have her ovary removed. She would have had to pay $3000 OOP over 3 years for the BC pills. Apparently, the surgery was covered under the university health plan.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 4:38 pm on Mon, Mar 5, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2308

    Pat, I'm just trying to look older so Darrell can stop fantasizing about me. I am planning to shave soon, though. The dang thing is itchy and I think a couple of blue jays are building a nest in the bottom.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:27 pm on Mon, Mar 5, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    John Lucas stated....Being against the one of the biggest foreign policy disasters in American History, namely the Iraq war, does not make one far-left...

    I agree...it does not mean one is far left...

    It means that one does not know what a foreign policy is...Iraq was a war. All wars are a disaster in my view. War is not a policy...if one were to talk about real foreign policy disasters, one would quickly look to Barack Obama. According to Patrick Seale...
    US foreign policy now a disaster...
    US President Barack Obama is piling up the foreign policy disasters. In at least three areas crucial for world peace and US interests – Arab-Israel tensions, Afghanistan-Pakistan and Yemen-Somalia – he’s pursuing a course that can only be described as foolhardy. Indeed, the anger and hate towards the United States that he’s generating could take a generation to dispel.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 12:58 pm on Mon, Mar 5, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    First of all John....THANK YOU for you service.

    KP: The argument falls flat in that one is preventable...the other just happens.

    JL: All ms fluke did was make a name for herself and her future...bolstered by Boxer, Feinstein, Waters and their like...in essence she is their next generation. I simply stated (with the help of a newspaper) who she REALLY was and why she was there.

    mrssman: Stevie me boy...WHAT did women do BEFORE the pill??? IUDs? or the invention of condoms??? NOTHING!!!!!! Who paid for the (Planned Parenthood Problem???) the father and mother...NOT ME! Shave your face you need some sun!

    I do believe women should get equal pay for equal work...the problem is who's equal?
    I supported Title IX, the ERA, many women's causes and believe they have been some of the best leaders in the world...in many Native American culures women have been and are the tribal leaders..I support that. What I also support...as do many of them...self sufficiency and self control...or as my grandmother would say: "don't let someone push you in a wheelchair when you can walk on your own". or "don't eat your own elbow...you might need it some day". BOY she was smart!

    I am glad you are against the war...I am against all unnecessary wars...

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 12:25 pm on Mon, Mar 5, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1991

    Could someone on the left please clarify this for me. Do you really see birth control as the same as cancer treatment as Mr. lucas just said?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:42 am on Mon, Mar 5, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Patrick said
    "While at Cornell, Fluke’s organized activities centered on the far-left feminist and gender equity movements. Fluke participated in rallies supporting abortion, protests against war in Iraq and efforts to recruit other womens’ rights activists to campus."

    Being against the one of the biggest foreign policy disasters in American History, namely the Iraq war, does not make one far-left. It simply means you have a good brain and used it.

    The same can be said for the right of women to be paid the same for the same job.

    Right wing arguments against paying for women's birth control are plainly crazy. Should women be mad about paying for treating mens prostrate cancer?

    It is not far-left wing when we Democrats would like you "Small Government Conservatives" to get out of peoples bedrooms and get out of what should be decisions that are between a woman and her doctor.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:23 am on Mon, Mar 5, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    It is amazing to me that because I spent 19 months in Vietnam that I get what is some of the best medical care in the world at the VA but a 19 year old woman with no medical insurance is having a place where she can get pre-natal care and other tests taken away from her. It says a lot about what it means to be a "Conservative" and a lot about the values they hold.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:17 pm on Sun, Mar 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    By the way Andrew... your take on Obamacare and the things that will likely result from the law as is ...is very accurate. I have read at half of the bill and gone to seminars that have professionals interpret and summarize the content. They would likely agree with you. This is obviously a very expensive power grab.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:17 pm on Sun, Mar 4, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    me either Darrell...

    Meanwhile, l'll continue to wait for Ms. Bobin to proclaim Margaret Sanger wasn't a racist and the pages of Obamacare I listed are "conspiracy theory"...LOL

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:04 pm on Sun, Mar 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Steve stated...To be fair Darrell, your impassioned defense of pedophiles also made me sick.

    Exhibit A ... Steve is in competition for winner of most off topic contributor. He makes inflammatory untrue statements of things that never happened in order to mask and misdirect the focus of the original topic. I refer to Steve's technique as “Yo Adrian” mentality... right Bro?

    How funny that Steve pretends to be sick over something that he knows never happened. Hopefully, Steve's brain with evolve to a level higher than “high school think” ... time will tell.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:54 pm on Sun, Mar 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Actually Andrew, if you look at the first post of this thread at 1:49 am on Sat, Mar 3, 2012 ,
    I attempted to do just as you stated... talk about Planned Parenthood. Unfortunately, people who support its contribution to society find it imperative to change the topic as focusing on this organization that makes a majority of it's income from killing unborn children is uncomfortable for them.
    Thank you for bring this thread back on topic... however, I do not think it will last long.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:19 pm on Sun, Mar 4, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    One would think the discussion might at some point address Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger or eugenics... The topic of Roche's letter.


     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 6:04 pm on Sun, Mar 4, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2308

    To be fair Darrell, your impassioned defense of pedophiles also made me sick.

    Since you are obviously unfamiliar with our nation's system of laws, let me clarify my earlier statement for you. It is Limbaugh's history of rampant drug abuse that is criminal, not his membership and de facto leadership of the Republican Party.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:25 pm on Sun, Mar 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Steve stated...Pat, your defense of this obese drug addicted criminal sickens me.

    How unfortunate and sad that someone like Steve is so filled with hatred and animosity that he would say such appropriate false statements. To Steve, being a conservative or republican is criminal ( if you read many of his past posts)... imagine what would happen if Steve controlled the department of justice. Maybe guillotines what be back ( metaphorically) with Limbaugh the first to go... or would that be Palin... or Bush... or Hannity...or me??? So many to chose from. I think Steve would be a busy man.
    ( of course I do not think Steve would kill anyone, just that his hatred is the kind of thing that leads to such behavior)

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 4:54 pm on Sun, Mar 4, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2308

    I am far more concerned about the billions of dollars that are spent each year dealing with chronic drug offenders like Limbaugh than I am about whatever funds need to be spent to reduce abortions and make sure that every child is a wanted child.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 4:51 pm on Sun, Mar 4, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2308

    Pat, if you had any working understanding of sex, you would know that condoms are not a reliable form of birth control for women, who have no real control over the way that they are used.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 4:44 pm on Sun, Mar 4, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2308

    Pat, your defense of this obese drug addicted criminal sickens me.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:40 pm on Sun, Mar 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Just imagine Pat....Fluke , Fluck & Flack Law, Inc... where our results are not a fluke.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:27 pm on Sun, Mar 4, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mrss: She was refering to the cost of birth control. Which includes condoms and other forms. She offered no credible evidence, no bills, no coroborating statements or witnesses.
    From The Daily Caller: Sandra Fluke: "the 30-year-old student who stirred the debate is no novice in the political arena. Fluke has a long history of feminist advocacy: The Washington Post reported Fluke entered Georgetown Law well aware that the school’s insurance plan did not cover contraception, only to spend the next three years lobbying the school to change its policy.

    Fluke attended Cornell University from 1999-2003, where she received a B.S. in Policy Analysis & Management and Feminist, Gender, & Sexuality Studies.

    While at Cornell, Fluke’s organized activities centered on the far-left feminist and gender equity movements. Fluke participated in rallies supporting abortion, protests against war in Iraq and efforts to recruit other womens’ rights activists to campus."

    $600 per yr for PP birthcontrol pills, $1000 per yr for condoms...she is set for life as a lawyer...I can see it now...Fluke/Lewenski and Clinton law firm. Just another blowhard politician like Pelosi and Boxer.

    Stevie...you are paying for the fun and getting NONE of it! Mentally or physically.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:36 am on Sun, Mar 4, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Ms.Bobin,

    READ THE BILL!

    Section 1233 of the healthcare bill is rife with clauses that establish government control over the health care procedures you undergo particularly at the end of life. This section asserts that a government approved list of end of life resources will be established (Section 1233, p. 425) as well as the required "end of life counseling" every five years or if his/her health takes a sudden turn for the worst (Section 1233, P.425). It goes even further to say that a government board will determine what level of treatment you will receive, if any, at the end of your life (Section 1233, P.430). Section 1162 indicates that the government will mandate what it calls "outcome based measures," which is a polite way of saying rationing (Section 1162, P.335).

    The healthcare bill also contains other frightening clauses such as Subpart XII, Section 340L which establishes a "Corps" that will conduct "Home Healthcare visits" as explained in Section 1713 to assess the designated families "economic self-sufficiency, employment, school readiness, and educational achievement" and to coach them on how to raise their children (Section 1713,P.768). This bill does in fact contain provisions that would set the wages of doctors (Section 225 and Section 223), possibilities of a draft to a National Health Service Corps (as mention also in the stimulus bill; section 1713), creation of a National Medical Device Registry(Section 2521), and potential to mandate even the food we eat (Section 3121).

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 10:52 am on Sun, Mar 4, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2308

    Larry, you appear to have taken leave of your senses.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 10:44 am on Sun, Mar 4, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2308

    Darrell, I have to ask. Has your ardor cooled enough that I can shave off this beard?

    The dang thing is itchy!

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 10:43 am on Sun, Mar 4, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2308

    Pat, she was referring to the cost of the Pill.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 10:17 am on Sun, Mar 4, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    The best argument against ms fluke is the one I heard on a liberal radio station...$3000.00 each year while in law school...a codnom costs about $3 each...divide that by 365 that equals having sxe about 3 times a day...that's what they are learning in law school???... not only that I thought they were supposed to check their figures before the presented them to a jury (or congress). Am I wrong here??

    I'm supposed to feel SORRY for them??? Heck where do I sign up???

    In my day they called people (men and women) sltus and dogs for having sxe outside of marriage...then started a whispering campaign against them. Today it has become a Congressional topic??? I truly wonder what those old men were thinking...LBJ, JFK and Ol' Billy Boy would have been "investigating".

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:38 am on Sun, Mar 4, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Paglia wrote: "On the opposite side of the aisle there is Rachael Maddow. I turned in once to see what she was all about and she spent 15 minutes on how Republicans wanted to kill all the old people because they cost the economy too much. Imagine the wailing in the streets if Rush had said the same about liberals."

    Actually, Sarah Palin is probably on record as the first right-wingnut who made claims about "Death Panels" during the healthcare debate and conservatives jumped on board so fast they capsized their own ship.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:35 am on Sun, Mar 4, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Paglia: You are correct - you are a fairly (fairly) moderate voice in this forum. I apologize if you thought my comments were a disparagement to your Christianity and Roman Catholocism, but in my understanding of Christianity, especially those who profess deep devotion as you obviously do, ANY type of support for Limbaugh's disgusting behavior is reprehensible.

    I realize you made a disclaimer about him, but then you went on to justify his bad behavior by pointing to others bad behavior. One NEVER justifies the other - left or right. And unlike conservatives who dodge questions (Romney) or dismiss behavior like Limbaugh's (as Rick Santorum did by dismissing it as "entertainment"), liberals often recognize and condemn these types of statements.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:24 am on Sun, Mar 4, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "Yes... I imagine that might be true... That is why Steve, Andy and Ms Bobin so often know exactly what Limbaugh says on a daily basis.. the amount of time they must listen to the radio is evidence of the truth and accuracy of Andy's statement... I cannot count the number of times they have quoted Limbaugh."

    Mr. Baumbach, I know it is difficult to comprehend - you being out in the wilds of Thailand and all....but there are mediums called "TELEVISION, NEWSPAPERS, and OTHER RADIO stations that report on what this idiot says - because he constantly makes rude and disgusting comments. The man has proved he has no shame. Do you really think that his last stunt and, for example, his "Barack the Magic Negro" comments are going to go unnoticed byf the media?

    You often claim you don't watch TV - but it is becoming more and more obvious that you get all of your "news" from the right-wingnut letters that appear in this publication.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:31 am on Sun, Mar 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Steve stated...If the term is good enough for the Teabag Taliban to use, it is good enough for me. I would say that it was a matter of apples and oranges but you would probably think I was talking about fruit.

    Yo Adrian... whats fruit... ( just thought I would communicate at Steve's level).

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:28 am on Sun, Mar 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Crowder stated...Radio is a medium favored by older, less educated crowds,

    Yes... I imagine that might be true... That is why Steve, Andy and Ms Bobin so often know exactly what Limbaugh says on a daily basis.. the amount of time they must listen to the radio is evidence of the truth and accuracy of Andy's statement... I cannot count the number of times they have quoted Limbaugh.

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 10:11 pm on Sat, Mar 3, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Kinderman, there are a number of well documented reasons why liberal talk radio has not enjoyed the same success as the conservative shows. Radio is a medium favored by older, less educated crowds, which skews conservative. Youth and progressive leaning types prefer the internet. With few exceptions, talk radio is simple. There is rarely debate or an exchange of ideas which might challenge someone's thinking; Limbaugh and the others just reinforce existing narratives.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 9:42 pm on Sat, Mar 3, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2308

    Darrell, I would say that it was a matter of apples and oranges but you would probably think I was talking about fruit.

    If the term is good enough for the Teabag Taliban to use, it is good enough for me.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:05 pm on Sat, Mar 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Steve stated...Darrell, the public record is full of examples of Tea Party members referring to themselves as "Teabaggers"

    Sorry... I do not get your point.
    Since there are many black people who are on record of referring to themselves as the N word, does it then hold that it is OK for all people to call black people the N word.. is that your point?

    When people like you and Eric have intent to be as vile as possible with people who you literally hate almost to the point of foaming at the mouth... you would think you would be a little more restrained in referring to them as teabaggers with the same intent as MSNBC.

    On the other hand, it seems to be consistent with how you present yourself.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 7:22 pm on Sat, Mar 3, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2308

    Kevin, I talked to a friend of mine who works in radio back East this afternoon and, according to him, the rumor is that Limbaugh was totally high on Oxycontin and that he will be announcing a return to rehab next week

    Seems like a pretty convenient excuse but I suppose it could be true. The guy has some pretty serious problems, not the least of which is the exodus of sponsors fleeing his show. A little time in rehab followed by some mock penance might bring a couple of them back.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 7:00 pm on Sat, Mar 3, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2308

    Darrell, the public record is full of examples of Tea Party members referring to themselves as "Teabaggers".

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 5:24 pm on Sat, Mar 3, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    I know of no conservative who believes that Rush Limbaugh is the second coming of Jesus Christ. Not even jokingly have I read or heard of such a comparison. Of course this cannot be said of President Barack H. Obama. Pretty much the only thing Limbaugh states in this regard is that his “talent [is] on loan from God.” Of course this is meant only to praise the Almighty, not to suggest that he is a descendant of His other than being made in His image as we all are (See, The Holy Bible - Genesis 1:27.)

    While I don't always agree with Limbaugh's tactics, as it is his program to do with pretty much as he pleases within FCC regulations, no on-air personality in the history of radio has garnered as many listeners as he. Whatever he's done to achieve such success lies solely in his talent along with the ideology behind conservatism. This cannot be said of any liberal talk radio commentator. I wonder why that might be. After all, don't liberals have radios in their automobiles and in their homes? It's a phenomenon that has piqued my curiosity for quite some time.

    Insofar as President Obama’s phone call to the woman whining about not having enough money to pay for her birth control contraceptives, along with others here and Mr. Limbaugh I wonder when the president will be placing the same call to Sarah Palin who absorbed far more demeaning comments from the likes of Bill Maher not only during the 2008 election but for years after she and her running mate lost. There is a direct comparison here that cannot be denied. Both women put themselves into the public eye; both should have been given their due respect; yet Palin was referred to many times over by Maher (and others by the way) using the vulgar “c” word – yet the President of the United States to this day has been silent on this matter and Ms. Palin has yet to release information about any phone call from him offering his condolences and support against such vile language. The hypocrisy is stunning to say the least.

    The same can also be said about former and present contributors on this very forum.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:28 pm on Sat, Mar 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Kevin stated...I don't think there is a poster on these boards who is more balanced/ moderate than I am yet she still attacks/mocks me (and my faith) for the times we disagree

    I agree. I many times admire Kevin's calm demeanor and moderate stances and it is true, Ms Bobin takes almost every opportunity to attack Kevin especially when the topic is Christianity of issues related to Kevin's faith.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:23 pm on Sat, Mar 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Eric stated...but I realize as should the republican establishment that he is simply an entertainer and will say anything to keep people listening.

    The far left ( Eric types) can call people teabaggers and think it is just fine... Since a teabagger describes a male lowering himself with his genitals into the mouth of a woman during a sexual event, you would think Eric, Steve and Ms Bobin would celebrate and enthusiastically support Rush Limbaugh's comments about a woman... When Eric was asked to stop using the term"teabaggers", he indignantly responded ..." I'll describe Tea Party people any way I please"... now he somehow finds something disagreeable with what others say... oh that's right... Eric claimed that the democrats have freedom of speech as a reason why he can use vulgar despicable language to describe others... I guess that means its OK... as long as you are a left wing radical, a union thug or a democrat, which are interchangeable words in many cases.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 12:23 pm on Sat, Mar 3, 2012.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Wow, it didn't take President Obama long to come to the rescue of that poor woman who was slandered by Rush, my only question is where has the President been hiding when conservative women and their families are viciously attacked by Bill Maher, did that million dollars Maher donated get in the way of his apology??

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:50 am on Sat, Mar 3, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Ms. Bobin,
    First, I never said Gates's father was "head of Planned Parenthood". Bill Gates said that and I provided the transcript from the interview where he said it!

    Second, I never said one word about SGK.

    Planned Parenthood has received federal funding since 1970. This fact can hardly be called a "conspiracy theory".

    Lastly, Was Margaret Sanger a racist who advocated eugenics or is that a "conspiracy theory" as well Ms. Bobin? LOL

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 11:15 am on Sat, Mar 3, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1991

    I do notice how Ms Bobin's second posting fully supports the final statement of my last post.

    I don't think there is a poster on these boards who is more balanced/ moderate than I am yet she still attacks/mocks me (and my faith) for the times we disagree.


    So in case my last posting left any doubt I think Rush and Howard are part of the same shock jock industry. Both do what ever they can to get ratings. One by degrading women and others on a daily basis, the other making over the top statements on the political world. But both have zero respectability in my eyes. Both are very good at doing what they want to appeal to their audience.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 11:11 am on Sat, Mar 3, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1991

    From the VERY FIRST line of my comments: "Rush (who said stupid things)"

    so I am unsure how MS Bobin can say I was standing up for Rush (someone I haven't listened to in 15 years). I was merely pointing out the double standard of allowing people like Howard and Perez who make it a habit to degrade women without comment but blasting Rush for his recent comments. BTW, Howard has 20million listeners/subscribers. Rush 14million.

    Rush is a conservative shock jock, nothing more. Hate him or like him he does what he wants very well, which is to get people talking about issues. I suspect a very large portion of his audience is Liberals who are just looking for a reason to cry-out in rage.

    On the opposite side of the aisle there is Rachael Maddow. I turned in once to see what she was all about and she spent 15 minutes on how Republicans wanted to kill all the old people because they cost the economy too much. Imagine the wailing in the streets if Rush had said the same about liberals. So my question remains, why do liberals scream about Rush when the same things are said by liberals?

    It has been suggested on here many times, and I hope it isn't true, that the reason would be that liberals would rather attack the messenger than deal with the issue.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:58 am on Sat, Mar 3, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    And please don't tell me, Mr. Paglia, that a fine, upstanding Christian, Roman Catholic man like yourself is standing up for Rush Limbaugh by pointing to others' bad behavior. If so, that goes a long way toward explaining your positions on other issues in this forum.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:53 am on Sat, Mar 3, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Rush Limbaugh is a mainstream radio host and much revered face of the GOP and conservatives nationwide think he is the second coming of Jesus Christ.

    Serious people do not believe Perez Hilton and/or Howard Stern have any real following in real-world matters. The latter is a shock-jock - that's his business to make stupid comments and displays. The former is a gossip monger.

    Limbaugh tells conservatives how to think - and they take his advice seriously.

    That's why.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:39 am on Sat, Mar 3, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1490

    Kevin that is easy to explain. Nobody believes that Howard Stern has any influence with the Democratic party but numerous times in the past year Republican politicians have had to backtrack on statements made that disagreed with Rush the huckster Limbaugh. I listen to rush often, the other day he had me in stiches, but I realize as should the republican establishment that he is simply an entertainer and will say anything to keep people listening.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 9:31 am on Sat, Mar 3, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1991

    Before anyone goes throwing stones at Rush (who said stupid things) remembered back a couple years ago the LIBERAL commentator Perez Hilton said much the same of 15 year old Miley Cyrus. Later posted fake pictures of the then 17yr old.

    Not enough? Fine, look at the LONG history of derogatory female references LIBERAL talk show host Howard Stern makes.

    Someone please explain why when these liberals say nasty things about women it is fine but when Rush says it there is outcry?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:25 am on Sat, Mar 3, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Bill Gates' father served on the board of PP - that doesn't make him "the head of Planned Parenthood," Mr. Liebich.

    What evidence do you have that taxpayer dollars are contributed to SGK? Other than your conspiracy theories, of course.

    So now you claim that Margaret Sanger not only wanted to engineer human beings by culling out impurities, she actually ADVOCATED parents killing their children?

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 9:18 am on Sat, Mar 3, 2012.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1991

    I remember about two years ago there was a debate on the issue of boycotting businesses. I had commented on how I there were a couple businesses I boycotted because I disagreed with the image/practices/advertising messages of these businesses. A couple people screamed and yelled at how horrible I was for boycotting a business on a moral issue.

    Now the Komen Foundation has done the same thing and people are so upset they are, in turn boycotting for moral reasons. It is interesting how these people are raising a clamour over the KF pulling funding for moral reasons so these people are pulling their funding for moral reasons.

    Can one of you pulling funding tell me why it is okay for you to pull funding for moral reasons but not for a company to do the same?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:57 am on Sat, Mar 3, 2012.

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    In a 2003 interview with PBS's Bill Moyers, Bill Gates admitted that his father used to be the head of Planned Parenthood, which was founded on the concept that most human beings are just "reckless breeders" and "human weeds" in need of culling.
    http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_gates.html

    Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger once said the following….

    "The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."

    Sadly, we are not "free to discontinue our support of Komen" as Mr. Schmidt suggests. Our tax dollars to the tune of a quarter-billion per year fund this group.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:56 am on Sat, Mar 3, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Yes, Mr. Baumbach - it is SO low class to accuse a letter writer of plagiarizing, just as it is SO classy to continually support one's own plagiarism and defend that of others. Birds of a feather, as they say.

    One example: "http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Did-You-Know-This-About-Planned-Parenthood" of Ms. Roche's poorly disguised plagiarism.

    Any elementary school teacher could easily spot Ms. Roche's plagiarism. The tip-off? Skipping to various, disjointed topics, no coherance in composition - writing that deserves an "F" at any grade level.

    I look forward to the day when this person finally gets her plagiarized material rejected by the LNS unless she documents her sources instead of pretending she actually composed her letters from her own addled brain.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:46 am on Sat, Mar 3, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Schmidt is spot-on with his comments. Instead of addressing the economic problems at hand, for which they have absolutely NO SOLUTIONS, they think they can divert the national conversation to legislating the nation's reproductive rights, sexual behavior, demonizing PP, and on and on.

    This irrelevant conversation has now been taken over by the presumptive head of the Republican party, Rush Limbaugh, who now labels women who use birth control as s l u t s and p r o s t i t u t e s and demands they post their sex tapes on the Internet in exchange for the taxpayers paying for their birth control and thus their sexual encounters. Republicans should be PROUD that they have such an eloquent spokesperson in Limbaugh. And it should be noted that Limbaugh has such a stellar marital history, somewhat like Newt Gingrich, (4 marriages to date), drug use, and obtaining prescription drugs illegally for which he received a small slap on the wrist. What a p i g.

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "...Ms Bobin will do her normal low class accusation of cut and paste from another source and get on with the topic at hand."

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 7:31 am on Sat, Mar 3, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2308

    Should read "Social Fascists".

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 7:30 am on Sat, Mar 3, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2308

    I love Ms Roaches feigned concern about botched abortions. This from a woman who would return abortion to the back alleys and dirty basements of America.

    If the Social Fascist really gave two figs about reducing abortions their first priority would be to make birth control free and easy. That, however, would hardly fit in with their real agenda which is the establishment of a fascist theocracy and the rule of Christian Shariah Law. The current battle return American women to the kitchen is only the opening salvo in the Jihad these drooling fanatics are determined to wage against our Constitution, our Freedom and our way of life.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:55 am on Sat, Mar 3, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2308

    I don't get this controversy. Komen was within their right to discontinue their support Planned Parenthood and the countless groups and individuals who disagreed with that decision were free to discontinue their support of Komen.

    My wife and I discontinued our support the day the issue made the news. There are plenty of other cancer groups that need our money.

    End of story.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:49 am on Sat, Mar 3, 2012.

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    Can we please assume that Ms Bobin will do her normal low class accusation of cut and paste from another source and get on with the topic at hand. Interesting article no matter where it came from... I appreciate this person submitting the content as points are well made.

    Planned Parenthood is defended by the left and gives all sorts of meaningless statistics that makes excuses for its existence... the tired old story that only 3% of all activity are abortions is intellectually dishonest and absurd. This letter makes clear why.

     

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