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President Obama is in denial about the threat posed by radical Muslims

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Posted: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:00 am

It is high time that our president stood up for America. It has been evident ever since he took office that he is a lukewarm American at best, and has a difficult time taking the side of our country when we are attacked by radicals.

He refuses to admit that the radical Muslims are responsible for the vicious attack that they launched in Boston. They maimed hundreds of people and killed three.

The death of Americans does not seem to bother him, which is borne out by his deceitful deception of Benghazi.

We must face it, we are at war with the radical Islamist nations, and I am afraid this latest attack is evidence of that fact.

The last 16 attempts to attack New York City were broken up; however, they were conducted by Muslim men.

Still Obama will not admit that these two people were radical Muslims. These people have been supported by welfare ever since they have been living here, some 12 years.

Sam West

Acampo

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40 comments:

  • John Lucas posted at 4:51 pm on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    How original

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:08 pm on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    John, please excuse me, what I should have said was: Rarely have I seen a more clear case of projection. Amazing. Textbook quality.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:36 pm on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    What??? Hogwash.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:22 pm on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Rarely have I seen a more clear case of projection. Amazing. Textbook quality.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 12:36 pm on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1089

    Bada Bing Bada Boom!

    [thumbup]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:39 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    What is the difference between you and radical Muslims? Are you both not calling for a holy war? Brian you have to understand that the vast majority of Christians and Muslims do not share you and your friends the radical Islamists fantasy of a holy war. There is not much difference between you and radical Islamists

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:32 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    What do you think we are doing now? When we find people who are terrorists we hunt down and kill them. With the cooperation of various Islamic countries we are using drones to go after terrorists who are not only a threat to us but to the countries that allow us to do it. Do you think we would be using drones in Pakistan or the Sudan with out their permission?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:26 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    The reality is that an Army of a non Islamic state whose country is dominated by Christians invaded an Islamic country. How would you feel if and Islamic country invaded Canada? You are correct in saying that one of us does not get it.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:26 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Chapman wrote: "I have a name for people who do that, "Convenient Christians".

    I thought "Colonel Convenient Christian" was Mr. Chang's special name for you, Mr. Chapman?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:22 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    There is a thing called a matter of degree. The people you mentioned most definitely share many of the values of radical Islam. Many Tea Party types, Palin and Bachman have made allusions to the use of violence with their 2nd Amendment rhetoric.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:18 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Chapman wrote:

    "On the other hand, if a person does what his religion teaches him to do, then you must hold the religion at fault for his actions!"

    "Please name ONE religion, besides the obvious one, that advocates murdering people simply because they are not of their "religion". "

    Then, in the following, claimed he was not speaking of Islam/Muslims - the topic of this letter (as if he pulled his comments out of you-know-where).

    "Koran, Islam? No where in my post were either mentioned. Hitting the sauce a little early, old girl, or has your dementia progressed to the point you see things that aren't there?"

    And he accuses ME of "hitting the sauce?"

    Another poster in denial of what he has posted when it CLEARLY appears on the page - following in the tradition of a now defunct member of his right wing clan.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:20 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    No sense attempting to reason with those who have none, Mr. Lucas.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:17 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [thumbup]

    Oh, sorry - I guess that was Acampo or whatever you have mentioned several times in the past. Local anyway, unfortunately.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:46 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2814

    Mr Lucas wrote,

    I have to say you are consistent. You never let an opportunity go by to belittle someone

    -So this means your thumbs up response to Mr. Heuer belittling Santorum, Bachman, Palin, and the Tea Party by casting them in the same light as Radical Islam was just a mistake on your part?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:29 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2814

    Mr Lucas wrote:

    It is always striking to me how you cannot see something from someone else's perspective. When Bush invaded Iraq calling it a "crusade" to many it was a Christian army invading the middle east.

    -Had Bush not said that it would have been interpreted that way anyway. You just don't get it, Mr. Lucas.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:26 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2814

    Mr Lucas wrote,

    I guess my concern is that when we concentrate on belief rather than behavior we go down a path where the innocent will be persecuted.

    -Hmm,

    Beliefs drive behaviours. Since we haven't been able to change the behaviours of Radical Muslims by getting them to believe their beliefs are the cause of all their problems with people who don't believe like they do, what is YOUR plan of attack?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:16 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2814

    Mr. Lucas wrote:

    We do much better to get out of the theology angle and concentrate on going after people not because of their religion but because of their behavior.

    -Very good. Now, if you could just understand it is their interpretation of the Koran that drives the behaviour of the Radical Muslims. until we all convert to Islam, by force or by our own will, will the Radicals stop committing acts of terror. As far as they are concerned, whether we're religious, agnostic, atheist, they won't stop until every last person on Earth is under the control of Islam. No other radical aspect of any other religion has this in their charter to this extent.
    Believe what you want to believe, Mr Lucas. but for the life of me, I don't know why you want to believe the Radical interpretations of other religions are just as much an imminent threat as Radical Islam. Obne of my theories, though, is Christianty, particularly, is a soft target and it's much easier to hold it accountable without fear of getting your head chopped off. I prefer to call a spade a spade.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 7:28 am on Wed, May 29, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    Just "giving" what I get.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:15 pm on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2991

    Contesting ignorance is not just a civic duty of the informed, it's also an act of compassion toward those who are not.
    [sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:21 pm on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [thumbup]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:15 pm on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I have to say you are consistent. You never let an opportunity go by to belittle someone

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:12 pm on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    It is always striking to me how you cannot see something from someone else's perspective. When Bush invaded Iraq calling it a "crusade" to many it was a Christian army invading the middle east. Though many could understand why we went into Afghanistan being occupied by what they perceive as a "Christian" army for 11 years says something else to them. You and others like you who constantly paint with a broad brush their Religion as evil does not help matters. We do much better to get out of the theology angle and concentrate on going after people not because of their religion but because of their behavior.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:43 pm on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2814

    Once again we see those on the left trivializing Radical Islam by comparing it to Radical
    Christianity, Of course there aren't any Radical Christian organizations with near the funding and members as Hezbollah, hamas, and Al Qaeda. But that doesn't keep those on the left from trying to convice the uninformed that Radical Christianity poses the same imminent threat as Radical Islam. I call this a form of counter-intelligence meant to keep the focus away Radical Islam. In other words, they are inadvertantly enabling Radical Islam to flourish.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:24 pm on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1343

    What do radical muslims want, sharia law which is a direct antithisis of American ideals. What do right wing (radical) christians want, they also want that which is the antithisis of American ideals. Because of our open democracy right wing christians are trying to effect through courts and legislation similar objectives as the radical muslims. Subjugation of women, laws against homosexuals, forced religious practices and beliefs in schools, theocratic laws in courts, gaining recognition of their religion as the one true religion (as Virginia attempted), rewrite history to be more favorable to their religion (as in Texas), force nonbelievers (or blasphemers) into indoctrination sesssions, bans on sex outside of marriage, more modest dress for women, a disdain for any race that isn't white (everyone must know their place), and all in the belief that 'it would be best for all'. Now if this seems abhorant or radical to you then you are probably not a radical right wing christian and are truely solid Americans. How ever if this sounds a tinge like a good idea then you are truely akin to the radical muslims. You just don't have to throw or wear bombs to get your voice heard. Just work on passing those laws and getting those court decisions. However if you believe a war is necessary or is upon us by an entire race then you too are as radical as the muslim terrorists. Those in the middle east don't have our democracy. They have autocratic and dictatorial governments that are usually propped up by ours and western european governments and feel they have no recourse to get their way than through violence. If the tables were turned our chrisian radicals would do the same. They shoot doctors don't they? They harass soldiers funerals don't they? Many of our radicals hide behind false banners like "tea party" groups. Santorum, Bachman, Palin, all revealed their radical streaks in 2011. No different than what they want to say make up muslim radicals. This is not a holy war as both religios would like to make it since both beieve in armageddon and elieve they are faored by god. This is a global criminal acivity that needs to be dealt with accordingly. You think war and you only fan the flames and make alot of bad decisios along the way. Iraq and Vietnam should have taught you that.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:09 pm on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I guess my concern is that when we concentrate on belief rather than behavior we go down a path where the innocent will be persecuted.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 7:54 pm on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    Most llikely BOTH.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:40 pm on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1089

    [thumbup]

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 4:31 pm on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    John, I understand what "point" you attempting to make. I am also very much in favor of people making personal choices when it comes to religion. We both fought for our freedoms, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. However, citing centuries old behavior practiced by ancient peoples and comparing it to what is going on in TODAY in REAL time just doesn't make much sense. Are the Christians and Jews running around the globe truing to force their "religion" on others or die? To offer others information about your religion in hopes they will accept it is one thing, to slaughter them if they don't accept it is quite another.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:41 pm on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    My point was that the big three (Christianity,Judaism, Islam) are all pretty bloodthirsty and you can select passages that will show that. It is also the history of all three. What you want to do is paint 1.2 billion people as wanting to kill anyone who does not believe what the believe. That is simply not true. I am an American. I believe in the Bill of Rights. I have known many Muslims especially those that drive truck. They are not even close to being terrorists. I also despise many of the practices that go on in many Muslim countries especially in regards to women. I am not ready to start WW III over it

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 2:01 pm on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    I am not in Lodi. Don't live there. Never have.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 2:00 pm on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    I get amused every time all the liberals come out with their "thumbs up", heaping praise, showing support for each other. Mr. Lucas, just what the point of your post? I am aware of what is written in the Bible. I find it perplexing you pick and choose your passages to support your position when it is convenient to do so, yet totally ignore others when they go against your position. I have a name for people who do that, "Convenient Christians". Please name ONE religion, besides the obvious one, that advocates murdering people simply because they are not of their "religion".

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 1:52 pm on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Koran, Islam? No where in my post were either mentioned. Hitting the sauce a little early, old girl, or has your dementia progressed to the point you see things that aren't there?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:20 pm on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Great to know that we have a Koranic scholar here in Lodi (or wherever Mr. Chapman is today).

    Have you thought about giving classes on Islam so we can all have the same ignorant opinions about this religion as you, Mr. Chapman?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:17 pm on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [thumbup]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:01 am on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1343

    Nailed it John.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:47 am on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    This is what Mr West said:

    We must face it, we are at war with the radical Islamist nations, and I am afraid this latest attack is evidence of that fact.

    Which nation is he talking about?

    Let me make myself clear. I am all for interrupting terrorists tea time and shooting them. I am also for drone attacks (unlike some on my side) on terrorists. What I am not in favor of is coloring all Muslims with the same brush. I am not for coloring all right wing people because of Timothy Mcveigh.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:40 am on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    What the Bible says about Holy War

    The Lord is a man of war. Exodus 15:3

    The LORD hath sworn that the LORD will have war with Amalek from generation to generation. Exodus 17:16, Deuteronomy 25:19

    And the LORD said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people ... So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land. Numbers 21:34-35

    And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And they burnt all their cities.... And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:1-18

    And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain: Deuteronomy 2:33-34

    And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them. Deuteronomy 7:2, 7:16

    If thou shalt hear say ... Certain men ... saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known ... Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. Deuteronomy 13:12-15

    When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it ... And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women ... shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. ... But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them ... as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. Deuteronomy 20:10-17

    And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. Joshua 6:21

    So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. Joshua 10:40

    For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favour, but that he might destroy them, as the LORD commanded Moses. Joshua 11:20

    Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. 1 Samuel 15:2-3
    Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Psalm 2:8-9
    He teacheth my hands to war. Psalm 18:34
    That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same. Psalm 68:23
    Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight: Psalm 144:1

    Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34

    He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 8:25 am on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    If a man does something evil in the name of religion, that the religion does not teach, it is not the fault of the religion, as no religion can control every idiot.
    On the other hand, if a person does what his religion teaches him to do, then you must hold the religion at fault for his actions!

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:16 am on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2814

    Mr Lucas,

    What part of their is a difference between a Radical Muslim and a Muslim don't you understand? And what part of most terrorist attacks are committed by Radical Muslims don't you understand?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:18 am on Tue, May 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Tell this nonsense to Osama Ben Laden and hundreds of terrorists that have been killed by drone attacks. We are not at war with Muslims but against terrorists of all types.

    Here is a list of the many right wing plots , Conspiracies and Racist Rampages Since Oklahoma City. These people feel the same way you do about the President. Should we go to war against all people who feel as you do?

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/publications/terror-from-the-right#.UaS6wZXZq2o

     

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