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Posted: Thursday, December 5, 2013 12:00 am

Detroit bankruptcy? Why? What led Detroit to accumulate $20 billion in debt and billions more in unfunded liability in pensions and health care? The answer may be “liberalism in motion.”

1957 was the last year a conservative mayor was elected in Detroit; all liberal Democrats since. Detroit is famous for being a one-party town where true liberal policies can run amuck, unfettered and unchecked. Detroit is a perfect model to demonstrate natural consequences of liberal dominance. All the policies, regulations and economic decisions were controlled by liberals and their way of doing business.

City leaders often tried to reverse diminishing revenue through new taxes — a new income tax in 1962, a new utility tax in 1971 and a new casino tax in 1999 — just a few among many new taxes throughout the years. Revenue in today’s dollars fell nearly 50 percent from the early ‘60s to 2012. Massive taxes, unions and other liberal policies drove away business, jobs and tax revenue they so desperately needed.

Detroit retiree pensions and health care went out of control even as the state of Michigan and the private sector were reducing costs which resulted in major stress to an already damaged economy.

Yes, unfortunately the middle class is shrinking. The pendulum has swung so far left that Detroit’s plight and other cities like it are not a surprise to any objective thinking person who comprehends basis economic principles. One can only imagine how misguided one would have to be to conclude conservative policies resulted in Detroit’s demise.

I hope liberals retain control of the White House and Senate in 2016 and gain control of the House of Representatives as well. With Obama “not” care adding extreme stress to our economy and federally and liberalism in firm control, there should be no doubt then just who and what is to blame as more and more cities file bankruptcy during the next decade. It is not if it happens, but when.

This is good news! The sooner the inevitable happens, the sooner we can move forward with sound constructive compassionate economic principles to help the middle class and poor. Good days will come.

Darrell Baumbach

Acampo

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32 comments:

  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:17 am on Tue, Dec 10, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1889

    Detroit was "down the tubes" long before a March of this year, thanks to the liberal leadership. Apparently Ofubar didn't "save Detroit" like he claimed.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:15 am on Tue, Dec 10, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1889

    Mr. Nelson, this is not the first piece I have read about the stingy liberals. You see, they want all the "feel good" programs for everyone, but they expect someone else, besides themselves, to pay for them. Bottom line, the government can't give anyone anything that it first doesn't take away from someone else. Freeloaders will always opt to accept anything and everything they can possibly get and don't much care who pays.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:48 am on Tue, Dec 10, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [thumbup]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:43 am on Tue, Dec 10, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Did you get off when Democrats in the U.S. House conducted hearings on proposals to confiscate workers’ personal retirement accounts and convert them to accounts managed by the Social Security Administration?
    [sleeping]

     
  • Charles Nelson posted at 8:51 am on Tue, Dec 10, 2013.

    Charles Nelson Posts: 259

    Out for themselves and no one else? http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:53 pm on Mon, Dec 9, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Ms. Bobbin,

    For the record. do you actually believe Liberalism had nothing to do with the Demise of Detroit?

    And for the record. I believe L:iberalism and Conservatism played a part in the demise of Detroit. However, given the fact that it was Liberals were the majority during the period when Detroit began to deteriorate. It's only fair that they are most responsible. But i suppose you'll come up with some way of proving Conservatives fillibustered so much it had to have been Conservative's who were mostly responsible for Detroit's demise.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:45 pm on Mon, Dec 9, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    What's next Ms. Bobbin:

    Are you going to recommend any published works by Noam Chomsky?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:42 pm on Mon, Dec 9, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    There you have it folks:

    Ms. Bobbin believes Conservatives don't stand for tolerance, magnanimity, community spirit, the defense of the weak against the powerful, love of learning, freedom of belief, art and poetry, city life, the very things that make American worth dying for.

    But she does believe "Conservatives stand for tax cuts...as if it's a bad thing (and) use the refund to buy a gun and an attack dog to take with them when they drive their all-terrain vehicles through the barricades of Republicanville.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 4:48 pm on Mon, Dec 9, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    I know. Many of us here ten to recognize this problem you have. And you make it even worse by not contributing here with rational thoughts.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:42 am on Mon, Dec 9, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Just talking for talking's sake doesn't make one credible in the least, Mr. Dockter.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:40 am on Mon, Dec 9, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    All you did was write a bunch of nonsense that makes no sense to anyone but yourself - and I seriously doubt YOU even understand what you wrote.

    As for your refund comment, that is just plain silliness.

    "accurate description of conservatives?" In your dreams. Conservatives look out for themselves and no one else.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:40 am on Mon, Dec 9, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    And, Anyone with half a brain should understand Detroit was not doing a good job managing what tax revenue they were getting and the state of Michigan had to take over. Ms. Bobbin attempts to make the case that Snyder's "Administrative Board" forced Detroit into bankruptcy for political gain. As usual, Ms. Bobbin distorts the truth of the whole matter. I suppose we could also say the Obama Administration forced GM into bankruptcy and hand over the reigns to the Feds for political gain. This is not entirely untrue. But Heaven forbid Ms. Bobbin agree with this. In her mind, it had nothing to do with politics on Obama's part.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:20 am on Mon, Dec 9, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Seriously Ms. Bobbin,

    You could have chose quotes to counter Darrell Baumbach from someone who is mostly a comedian and a lapdog for the Democratic Party. Not only did you not make your case against Darrell, you went on to decrie Liberalism as they don't look forward to a larger IRS refund. Unless you are blind, the first paragraph of Mr. Keilor in turn is an accurate description of many many Conseervatives. And the second paragraph is an acurrate description of many many Liberals. So, all you did was counter someone who is being intellectually dishonest with someone else who isbeing intellectually dishonest.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:25 am on Sun, Dec 8, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Seriously, Mr. Kindseth? The New York Post - a tabloid newspaper?

    But I guess since there is a huge LACK of conservative media as you claim, YOU cannot be choosey!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:33 am on Sat, Dec 7, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach decries liberalism as being the cause of all evil in this world - all the way from his diatribe of a year ago in which he "announced" that conservatives are "in a non-violent war with liberals." Now he announces that liberalism will be the demise of all things good in this country and then conservatives will "swoop in" and make things right.

    Here is an interesting quote from humorist Garrison Keillor that appears in the latest edition of the Atlantic magazine in an article entitled "Do Democrats Make Better Neighbors?"

    "Liberals stand for tolerance, magnanimity, community spirit, the defense of the weak against the powerful, love of learning, freedom of belief, art and poetry, city life, the very things that make American worth dying for."

    "Conservatives stand for tax cuts... (and) use the refund to buy a gun and an attack dog to take with them when they drive their all-terrain vehicles through the barricades of Republicanville."

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:44 am on Sat, Dec 7, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Anyone with half a brain and a calculator could see this coming from a mile away. Less than half of the residents of Detroit over the age of 16 are working at this point.
    [sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:04 am on Sat, Dec 7, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You are right but it does support your ideology. I do not know why you and all Conservatives enjoy taking people's pensions they worked all their life for. It must be an acquired pleasure because I do not get off on it.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 3:23 am on Sat, Dec 7, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    And now the city has a fighting chance, John. I know this doesn't support your agenda, though. Could it be that it's counterintuative to how your brain is wired?
    Yep, that's it.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 3:19 am on Sat, Dec 7, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Chuckle,

    You're reaching, John. I don't believe Ronald Reagan was in politics when the demise of Detroit began. Nor did he have anything to do with the demise of Stockton.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:45 pm on Fri, Dec 6, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Ed Walters wrote: "According to Eric, the city of Detroit is a city trying to renege on its contacts in an attempt to cheat workers out of their pay, ahhhhh Eric I believe the city of Detroit is operated by the Democratic machine."

    Ed - try to keep up with current events. Back in March of this year the REPUBLICAN governor of Michigan, Rick Snyder, declared that the STATE was taking over the administration of Detroit.

    Snyder's "administrative board" has sucked up any and all tax revenues generated by Detroit and placed them in the State's general fund, as he has done with other Michigan cities. Mostly done to beat organized labor into submission as Scott Walker tried to do in Wisconsin.

    He literally forced Detroit into bankruptcy for his own political gain.

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 8:29 am on Fri, Dec 6, 2013.

    John Kindseth Posts: 245

    From the New York Post:

    http://nypost.com/2013/12/06/detroit-and-the-impact-on-pension-reform/

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:04 am on Fri, Dec 6, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Of course you do Ted. I would, however, love to see a debate between you and Walter whose post at 8:57 I cannot improve on. What really amazes me is the absolute adherence to ideology by Conservatives in spite of our collective experience that it just does work. I do not know how one can fight against such blindness.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 3:32 pm on Thu, Dec 5, 2013.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2050

    Another city to look at is Bakersfield. Typically a VERY conservative city. It is, for the most part, fiscally sound. I know some departments are having issues based on pension program promises that were pushed through in a "grab all you can before it is gone" mentality. City services especially. BUT business opportunities are growing and the job market is very strong.

    Part of Detroit's issues is NOT the liberal agenda that has dominated the policy making but rather that a large portion of the tax base has fled the city. People don't want to live in the city. Rather than being an example of Liberal policy's gone wrong, it is more of an example of what happens when you drive away too much of the tax producing job/residential population. EITHER political policy employed in a vacuum, without the counter policies to balance plans, can do this.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:00 pm on Thu, Dec 5, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1565

    Thanks for the clarification John

     
  • Ted Lauchland posted at 12:56 pm on Thu, Dec 5, 2013.

    Ted Lauchland Posts: 261

    Sorry guys , I disagree. Darrell's assessments sound reasonable to me. Sound business practices secure long term jobs including retirements. Denying world competition by attempting to create a bubble to protect American workers is very short sighted. The good side of world market nations is that a lot of those peoples are less fortunate than this side of the waters and possibly less restricted depending on the nation.

    Lots of bodies have more potential needs if they have the money to contribute to the economy. You see the same comparative competition between states locally. But they are also MORE fortunate in other ways. The business is there but it takes a little more thought to do it. That is what guarantees jobs on this side of the pond. Fill the need based on business and keep it sound.

    Weigh the risks involved compared to the overall benefit. Plant science, Chem. science, banking, and even my own vineyard business do the weighing. You try farming all year long on the pretense that you might and I repeat might get paid at the end of the year or even worse at the end of seven years if you are a member of a coop.

    Our economy benefits from those jobs. Demanding a job does not create it. Making it a law creates a paper job with nothing to support it. It's nice to be able to fight for your rights and fair play but your retirement is in the health of your business. If your retirement is in the bank then it is in the health of the bank. If your retirement is in the government it is in the health of the government. The government runs on taxes. Enough said.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 12:43 pm on Thu, Dec 5, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 587

    According to Eric, the city of Detroit is a city trying to renege on its contacts in an attempt to cheat workers out of their pay, ahhhhh Eric I believe the city of Detroit is operated by the Democratic machine. The Dow is at an all time high, no thanks to Detroit. Take a look at the blocks and blocks of run down building, crime and a city unable to pay its bills and will proceed into bankruptcy, yes things are looking up, just like on a bigger platform, the US government.

    And now I`ll take a bite out of Walter, you must remember that Detroit is a Democratic city, Darrell speaks the truth, you are going back 40 years, and come up with nothing to support your statements. Anyone can say anything to appease themself, all three bloggers do a wonderful job, there is a difference between the forest and the trees.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:53 am on Thu, Dec 5, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You are right but it is actually the state doing it. The Republican Governor under the law took over the city.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:51 am on Thu, Dec 5, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [thumbup]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:13 am on Thu, Dec 5, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [sleeping]... http://youtu.be/V6Su5mjQSaE

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 8:57 am on Thu, Dec 5, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1151

    "liberalism in motion"

    I love Darrell. He's my favorite fear monger.

    This letter reminds me of the glorious times when he was frequent contributor here.

    Back then, no matter the topic, his projections (think: opinions presented as facts) would consistently and conveniently assign all of blame to liberals and the scourge of liberalism.

    It's good to see him returning to his roots.

    Darrell, now through these retro-projections (think: opinions presented as historical facts) wants YOU to believe that all of Detroit's problems are because of 40 years of successively elected city officials. Oh brother.

    He wants you to ignore changes made to free trade laws made by Washington and 34 years "drizzle down" Reganomics.

    The removal of trade tariffs and regulations that once protected American jobs and industries from foreign government subsidized (think: unfair) imports.

    The changes in the corporate culture that now focuses on GREED and the desires of the stockholders and not the wellbeing of American worker - sending manufacturing jobs and money overseas to maximize profits.

    The banks that recently abandoned the city's foreclosed homes and properties en masse - just to avoid paying taxes.

    The sole desire of the Republican controlled state of Michigan? Destroy the Democrats and bust the unions!

    Sure, liberal politicians and self-serving unions contributed to Detroit's problem.

    But to solely blame the mayors and the "lotto tax" as the last straw is just pure silliness!

    But that's what I've come to expect around here!!!!

    [smile]


     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:04 am on Thu, Dec 5, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1565

    Dream on. The economy grew by 3.4% in the third quarter, the Dow is at all-time highs, car sales are breaking records and home prices are up 13% over last year. The only thing going on in Detroit is a city trying to renege on its contracts in an attempt to cheat workers out of their pay.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:03 am on Thu, Dec 5, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    More right wing nonsense from our friend Mr Baumbach. Detroit's troubles as here in Stockton are really the same problem. The hallowing out of the middle class brought on by Mr. Baumbach's God , Ronald Reagan, bringing Supply Side economics otherwise known as Trickle Down economics down upon the head of everyday ordinary Americans. Mr Baumbach might read Naomi Klein's great book,"The Shock Doctrine". The current economic crisis is a result of forty years of trickle down economics. Instead of going back to the policies that built the greatest middle class in the history of the world Mr. Baumbach would have us double down on the policies that caused the problem in the first place. Insanity by definition is trying the same thing over again and expecting different results.

     

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