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Posted: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:00 pm

There is one undeniable fact that keeps Democrats out of the White House; it has been right in front of them for as long as I care to remember.

Even Republicans, at their own peril, have tried to "teach" what seems to me now to be un-teachable Democrats this incredibly valuable lesson to no avail. And in this regard, I don't "get it."

Since FDR, how many Democrat Presidents have been asked to hang around for a second term? One - Bill Clinton. (Truman doesn't count as he was only elected President once.) Yet, the real question is how many Democrat Presidential elections were lost when the circumstances surrounding those elections should have been a cake-walk for them?

In 1968, Republican President Nixon promised to get us out of Vietnam. By the election of 1972 he had kept that promise - by moving us into Cambodia. This was a very contentious issue during that time. Additionally, Watergate had been clearly exposed prior to that election; yet the chants of "four more years" was more acceptable to the voters than "two-four-six-eight, we don't want your Watergate!"

Fast-forward to 2000 - On the heels of such a successful Clinton presidency, how could Gore have been bested by "W" who was characterized as an idiot even then? Dimpled, hanging or any other type of "chad" should have never entered our national lexicon had the election proceeded as all believed it should have. What happened?

2004 - Here we have a new war, the genesis of which was already then shrouded by suspicions of illegalities, lies and other sordid "high crimes and misdemeanors" perpetrated by the sitting President and those under his authority. Why did Kerry lose?

2008 - In spite of desperately attempting to link McCain to Bush insofar as policies are concerned, Obama is not enjoying what should easily be a presidential election campaign of historic proportions. A Republican president sitting on the lowest polling numbers in the history of statistics has resulted in a race that is becoming more and more in doubt for Obama. Why?

So, why have these things happened to Democrat contenders? The answer is simple - "Liberalism" doesn't work. Now, that is something the voters do "get."

Jerome Kinderman

Lodi

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149 comments:

  • posted at 6:51 am on Sat, Sep 6, 2008.

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    What a shame that you turned down a career in rocket science.

     
  • posted at 4:58 pm on Fri, Sep 5, 2008.

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    Voter, It's 130.

     
  • posted at 4:16 pm on Fri, Sep 5, 2008.

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    Since you've broached the subject of intelligence, Brian, what exactly is your IQ?

     
  • posted at 2:43 pm on Fri, Sep 5, 2008.

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    Lodian, I know it's a struggle with a 95 IQ to keep up with us. You could at least try to act like someone with a higher IQ. It might actually rub off.

     
  • posted at 2:39 pm on Fri, Sep 5, 2008.

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    It's obvious you have no idea how anyone running for any political position is put under the microscope before they are considered. For you to say that Palin was not scrutinized is foolish at the least.

     
  • posted at 2:36 pm on Fri, Sep 5, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote: Brian wrote "Lodian, only you would think it's beyond odd to want to know about our next VP."Brian: Nope, you are not going to wiggle your way out of this one. Your stupid comment about knowing what McCain knew about Pail before making his selection was classic. You make these comments as if you KNOW the man. You don't KNOW the man, Brian. You have no idea what McCain did or did not KNOW of his running mate. So stop with all the big shot attitude and try to be human for once. No one here thinks you are secret service, CIA or FBI etc....so stop trying to fake us out. You just make yourself look dopey. (again)Did you check on the baby? :-) "Lodian, Evidently in your world you don't want to get to know as much about a person that you may be hiring for a job is not that important to you. You're sly little smear on McCain is not unlike what the liberal media is attempting to do. Do you have some proof that McCain didn't have Palin investigated before he made his decision? Cont.

     
  • posted at 2:29 pm on Fri, Sep 5, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on Sep 4, 2008 7:44 AM:" Leonard Wrote:Given McCain's selection of Palin, he must have changed his mind about the importance of experience.-Quite the contrary. McCain was very aware of her experiences in government that would complement his.Lodian, I don't see anything in what I said that I was reading McCain's mind.I can see what Lodi Resident is saying.You do have trouble following along. You also have a knack of distoring what someone else has said. Have you taken your lithium today?

     
  • posted at 8:24 am on Fri, Sep 5, 2008.

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    scout: I saw that video clip today too! Wild, isn't it? What's good for the goose is NOT good for the gander I suppose. Hypocrites

     
  • posted at 7:47 am on Fri, Sep 5, 2008.

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    fabulous: http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sarah-palin-gender-card

     
  • posted at 4:59 am on Fri, Sep 5, 2008.

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    Brian wrote "Lodian, only you would think it's beyond odd to want to know about our next VP."Brian: Nope, you are not going to wiggle your way out of this one. Your stupid comment about knowing what McCain knew about Pail before making his selection was classic. You make these comments as if you KNOW the man. You don't KNOW the man, Brian. You have no idea what McCain did or did not KNOW of his running mate. So stop with all the big shot attitude and try to be human for once. No one here thinks you are secret service, CIA or FBI etc....so stop trying to fake us out. You just make yourself look dopey. (again)Did you check on the baby? :-)

     
  • posted at 4:53 am on Fri, Sep 5, 2008.

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    Brian always resorts to personal attacks (with nasty comments and even cussing) when he cannot debate an issue or even converse with intelligence. Oh, and he has absolutely no sense of humor whatsoever. What a bore. Oh, Brian. Go check on the baby. Have the poopoo fumes gotten to you already today? :-)

     
  • posted at 4:49 am on Fri, Sep 5, 2008.

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    Brian wrote "You notice how voter and Lodian appear about the same time on many occasions. I wonder if this is part of what they do during their secret sexual encounters."Wow! There's one for the character of the year award. Geez, Brian, do you ever really think before you post this crap? Maybe I should I call you Lodi Resident? Hmmm?

     
  • posted at 2:23 am on Fri, Sep 5, 2008.

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    Lodi Res. I know.

     
  • posted at 2:21 am on Fri, Sep 5, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote: I think it's beyond odd that you feel that you know these things. "Lodian, only you would think it's beyond odd to want to know about our next VP. There is a wealth of information on her that shows her qualifications to be VP. The liberal media is doing everything it can to make sure people get the impression she is not qualified. How little do they know that there are other sources other than the MSM to do research on Palin.

     
  • posted at 1:56 am on Fri, Sep 5, 2008.

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    To Brian,All Lodian does is hang out on the blogs. True discussion with Lodian is impossible. You will never get a direct answer to any questions. LR

     
  • posted at 1:52 am on Fri, Sep 5, 2008.

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    Lodian,Sorry I forgot to stop by in August. Glad to see you are still wasting all of your time blogging. Your goal for September?...find some friends and step away from the computer.Talk to you in October.LR

     
  • posted at 1:50 am on Fri, Sep 5, 2008.

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    You notice how voter and Lodian appear about the same time on many occasions.I wonder if this is part of what they do during their secret sexual encounters.

     
  • posted at 1:43 am on Fri, Sep 5, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Sep 4, 2008 7:48 PM:" It's so easy to get Brian riled up. Ya wanna cuss me out now, Brian? Geez, grow up. LOL! "Lodian, I can't help but get riled up when you or voter appear. Neither of you ever have anything intelligent to contribute to these blogs. You give Leonard a pass all the time. As I have said before, I can hear the smoochingfrom all the butt kissing from here in AZ.

     
  • posted at 3:14 pm on Thu, Sep 4, 2008.

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    Brian again displays his expansive vocabulary.

     
  • posted at 2:50 pm on Thu, Sep 4, 2008.

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    Brian: It's safe to say that you are not CIA, FBI, or the secret service. I'm sure we can all agree on that one.

     
  • posted at 2:48 pm on Thu, Sep 4, 2008.

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    It's so easy to get Brian riled up. Ya wanna cuss me out now, Brian? Geez, grow up. LOL!

     
  • posted at 12:36 pm on Thu, Sep 4, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on Sep 4, 2008 5:05 PM:" Brian wrote "how many bits have you chomped through because you're jealous of McCain/Palin?"Brian: That's a really weird thing to say. Why would anyone come up with "jealous" when addressing someone that may not agree with their politics? That's just strange, but look who I am talking to. Brian you are one weird person. Now, listen up... you have no clue whatsoever what McCain did or did not know about his selected running mate, Palin. I think it's beyond odd that you feel that you know these things. "Lodian, How do YOU know I have no clue about McCain and his runnning mate?Do you work for the CIA, the FBI, or the secret service?Go back to your crosswords. D@psh&t

     
  • posted at 12:05 pm on Thu, Sep 4, 2008.

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    Brian wrote "how many bits have you chomped through because you're jealous of McCain/Palin?"Brian: That's a really weird thing to say. Why would anyone come up with "jealous" when addressing someone that may not agree with their politics? That's just strange, but look who I am talking to. Brian you are one weird person. Now, listen up... you have no clue whatsoever what McCain did or did not know about his selected running mate, Palin. I think it's beyond odd that you feel that you know these things.

     
  • posted at 11:51 am on Thu, Sep 4, 2008.

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    I remember reading a Mad book called "Snappy Answers To Stupid Questions"I knew I would eventually need what I read from this book. Too bad I wasted it on someone like Lodian.

     
  • posted at 11:48 am on Thu, Sep 4, 2008.

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    Lodian Wrote: So you say, Brian. Are you a secret service guy now too? FBI? Even a PI for McCain? "Lodian, one does not have to be any of these to speculate what McCain was thinking when he chose Palin. In any event, how many bits have you chomped through because you're jealous of McCain/Palin?

     
  • posted at 4:33 am on Thu, Sep 4, 2008.

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    Brian wrote "Quite the contrary. McCain was very aware of her experiences in government that would complement his."So you say, Brian. Are you a secret service guy now too? FBI? Even a PI for McCain?

     
  • posted at 4:31 am on Thu, Sep 4, 2008.

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    Quote "Leonard, keep up the idiotic approaches to Palin and I will counter them with unidiotic approaches."Wow! LOL!

     
  • posted at 2:44 am on Thu, Sep 4, 2008.

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    Leonard Wrote:Given McCain's selection of Palin, he must have changed his mind about the importance of experience.-Quite the contrary. McCain was very aware of her experiences in government that would complement his.Leonard, keep up the idiotic approaches to Palin and I will counter them with unidiotic approaches.

     
  • posted at 6:47 pm on Wed, Sep 3, 2008.

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    SportsGuru wrote "And I think WTF is right..Palin isn't attractive to Hillary females. Her voice isn't shrill enough!!!"SportGuru: There's a lot of time to get to know more about Palin.

     
  • posted at 6:45 pm on Wed, Sep 3, 2008.

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    SportsGuru wrote "I think it will be COMICAL to watch Obama talk about how little experience Palin has....the pot calling the kettle black."SportsGuru: What makes you think you will hear Obama talk about Palin's lack of experience?

     
  • posted at 1:47 pm on Wed, Sep 3, 2008.

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    SportsGuru wrote on Sep 3, 2008 3:42 PM:" .I think it will be COMICAL to watch Obama talk about how little experience Palin has....the pot calling the kettle black.What is even more funny is to go back and watch the tape of McCain attacking Obama, month after month about Obama's lack of experience.Given McCain's selection of Palin, he must have changed his mind about the importance of experience.Either that or he was just plain lying all that time. This is a guy who carried out an extramarital affair for 16 months before his wife found out. He must be pretty good at lying.

     
  • posted at 10:42 am on Wed, Sep 3, 2008.

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    .I think it will be COMICAL to watch Obama talk about how little experience Palin has....the pot calling the kettle black.And I think WTF is right..Palin isn't attractive to Hillary females. Her voice isn't shrill enough!!!

     
  • posted at 7:22 pm on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    Interesting stuff: Corporate Welfarehttp://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-241.html

     
  • posted at 4:02 pm on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    I think regarding Gov Palin she is little Miss Muffet who just sat down on her tuffet. Only thing now is how fast the spiders get to her. Maybe she can take Dick Cheney hunting.

     
  • posted at 3:59 pm on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    Wtf, sam, that video was really more than hilarious. All those looks in that short period of time. Think maybe she might have been flexing those glut muscles for ol' John? That picture of Arnold looked like he tripled up on his pain meds, too. That's funny!

     
  • posted at 1:55 pm on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    Here's a better video of pervo McCain. It's a shorter clip with better clarity.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5J98Rnft9s

     
  • posted at 11:51 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    Sam, thanks for the tip. Someone must have had Palin's website cached and is now in a sharing mood? LOL

     
  • posted at 10:10 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    wtf, the video is a hoot. Thanks for sharing.

     
  • posted at 10:06 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    Voter, Palin praising Obama's energy plan is all over the web. Just google 'Palin praised Obama's energy policy"

     
  • posted at 9:58 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    Here's the Manchurian Candidate's latest faux pas. While she's speaking, he's checking out Palin's *ss. LOL!http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/0392/92376

     
  • posted at 9:52 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    voter that's pretty interesting. I have to wonder if McCain's people think by pushing Palin, they'll get the Ron Paul and Hillary people. Boy are they out of touch! Palin, as stated already in the blogs, isn't the type of female Hillary supporters are likely to go for and the Ron Paul people, rather than switch to McCain, will look at Palin askance. Hey, sam! Maybe I got my projections about McCain dropping out a little off; it could be, in hind sight, that the GOP will look back and see that McCain ***should have*** dropped out in June/July.

     
  • posted at 8:30 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    Ooo-Rah wtf!

     
  • posted at 8:29 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    wtf, earlier this month, Palin praised Obama's energy policy in a press release posted on her government website. It was scrubbed sometime in the last 24 hours.

     
  • posted at 8:27 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    TandC: WOW, talk about powerful words! Very succinct.

     
  • posted at 8:23 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    TandC...I'm a bit confused. Are you talking **to** me or are you commenting on what I posted? I'm quite sincere. I don't know and I happen to live on the East Side here in town. LOL!Acampo_Mom I've read information on what you mention and the credit card thing - given what our congresscritters are up to regarding credit cards - really got me. I, too, was in the Marines; but this was 30 years ago.Regarding McCain choosing Palin, I found this item of interest:"Back in February, on Super Tuesday, MTV News Street Teamer Dani Carlson did a Flixwagon interview with Alaska Governor and now presumptive Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin, who had some interesting things to say about energy policy and the party machinery."In this interview, Palin calls controversial Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul cool. Hes a good guy, she added. Hes so independent. Hes independent of the party machine. Im like, Right on, so am I. http://newsroom.mtv.com/2008/08/29/sarah-palin-republican-vice-presidential-nominee-plugs-romney-paul-but-not-mccain-in-mtv-interviewBut it seems Ms. Palin is singing a different tune now. ;)

     
  • posted at 8:20 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    Amen, wtf, I always knew it was "dose dam dems."

     
  • posted at 8:16 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    Wtf, yeah, and all those "deadbeats" our government has pushed into their own little ghettos and barrios, like the eastside of Lodi. You well to do and out of touch with reality preachers, do you think those people like being penned in in their own little corner every city gives them and just to keep them quiet provides them with public assistance, food stamps and medical care really like their lifestyle? Just look around Lodi. How many Blacks, Latinos, Pakistanis, Asians, etc do you see having any prominence unless they're one of the Lodi elite who inherited their wealth from mommy and daddy? Just how long do you think it'd take them to come and TAKE your house and property after you cut all their "benefits" as you call them? Why don't some of you cheerleaders live on what little they get? It's those like you who created this mess and now you beg others to fix it. It's not a dem or rep problem, but a problen created by the wealthy to line their own pockets. The rent checks you get are from the government because these people you call names don't have anything. You're thecause. You fixit.

     
  • posted at 8:15 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    Oh and wtf:You said "However, I find it deplorable that your husband did not receive more assistance from the country he gave his service to and when I hear Bush wanting to cut GI benefits even more, I want to scream."This was also while he was active duty, not just after. If you Google WIC and military families, you'll see all the information available for them...they actually ran the program ON BASE, for us exclusively. Another thing to Google would be "Military Families and Poverty" interesting reading. Something else to ponder...service members could actually get "written up" for getting themselves into credit trouble, and that would then be reflected in their permanent military service record. Silly to think about isn't it? When they sometimes had to visit soup kitchens or use WIC to get by, but were scared to wrack up a credit card bill, in fear of getting in trouble.My husband misses being in the Marines, and I miss being the Marine wife sometimes too, but I'm really glad he got out.

     
  • posted at 8:11 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    But Wall Street has already signaled Corporate America's plan: Grab all the cash you can, and make workers pay.And honest folks who hit hard times are deadbeats???!!?!

     
  • posted at 8:10 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    Cayne survived the scandal for a time, making a scapegoat of Bear Stearns co-president Warren Spector, who was forced out in August. Spector didn't get a severance package, but he did pocket $23 million in "capital accumulation package awards."Then, in early January, the 73-year-old Cayne was forced out, too. But he remains the owner of 4.9 percent of Bear Stearns stock, worth an estimated $1.3 billion.AT THE other end of the economic scale, workers who were bypassed by the boom are bracing for recession.Economists of every political stripe are predicting a slump, the Democratic presidential candidates have all made proposals for an economic stimulus package--and even the Bush White House, long in denial about the housing crisis and its impact, is trying to put together a plan to jump-start the economy. Yet the stimulus proposals from both parties amount to just a fraction of the amount spent on the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.With more bad news emerging on practically every economic front--falling house prices, a credit squeeze, declining consumer spending, stagnant wages and higher inflation--the picture is likely to get worse. (cont.)

     
  • posted at 8:09 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    But even O'Neal's payoff can't match the golden parachute for James Cayne, recently ousted as CEO of the investment bank Bear Stearns.Last July, when Bear Stearns became the first Wall Street firm hit by the credit crisis after two of its hedge funds collapsed, Cayne "was playing in a bridge tournament in Nashville, Tenn., without a cell phone or an e-mail device," the Journal reported."As Bear's fund meltdown was helping spark this year's mortgage-market and credit convulsions, Mr. Cayne at times missed key events. At a tense August conference call with investors, he left after a few opening words, and listeners didn't know when he returned. In summer weeks, he typically left the office on Thursday afternoon and spent Friday at his New Jersey golf club, out of touch for stretches, according to associates and golf records. In the critical month of July, he spent 10 of the 21 workdays out of the office, either at the bridge event or golfing, according to golf, bridge and hotel records." (cont.)

     
  • posted at 8:09 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    Prince wasn't the only Wall Street boss to walk the plank over the mortgage mess. Stan O'Neal was forced out as CEO of Merrill Lynch for presiding over billions in losses as a result of the housing crash.But O'Neal's walk-away money makes Prince look poor: $165.5 million in various types of stock grants and retirement funds. And that's not all. The Journal noted, "Mr. O'Neal is also expected to receive a portion of his salary for the year"--although a Merrill spokesperson wouldn't say how much. "Last year [2006], Mr. O'Neal earned $700,000 in base pay and $18.5 million in a cash bonus."Not bad for a guy who presided over an $8.4 billion in write-off of bad loans and a $2.2 billion loss in the third quarter of 2007 alone. (cont.)

     
  • posted at 8:08 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    But he's not likely to suffer. A Wall Street Journal article reported that the disgraced executive was walking away with benefits worth $29.5 million. These include "deferred stock valued at $16.05 million, restricted stock awards valued at $10.72 million, retirement savings valued at $1.43 million and in-the-money options valued at $1.28 million, according to his separation agreement, a copy of which was filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission," the Journal reported."In addition, Citigroup will provide Mr. Prince an office, an administrative assistant and a car and driver for at least five years, or until he finds a new employer. It will also pay certain taxes associated with those benefits, according to the SEC filing."The numbers didn't include Prince's multimillion-dollar bonus for 2007--prorated, of course, since he left the job a few weeks before year's end. (cont.)

     
  • posted at 8:07 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    Regarding deadbeats....here are a few you don't usually hear about; but dont worry, they've got enough money to last a lifetime. A whole lot of lifetimes, in fact.Consider Charles Prince, CEO of Citigroup until the board of directors demanded his scalp for plunging the biggest bank in the U.S. into the center of the sub-prime mortgage crisis. Given the scale of the debacle at Citigroup--where the losses are still mounting--it's not at all clear whether Prince can expect to find another job at the top of Corporate America. (cont.)

     
  • posted at 8:03 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    And, WOW, Lodian, those words were powerful and very true. You are another valuable contributer to these blogs, as are WTF, commonsense1, patton1, realty, JF, Leonard, dogs4, etc. I don't like the fact that the city management team, city council members,police chief, fire chief and those who are usually written about and addressed in this newspaper don't have the courtesy to respond. Are they afraid they'll be ridiculed or questioned further? Mr. Wood, Mayor Mounce, Mr. Pernijad and a few others have been honest and sincere enough to respond here, why not the others? Don't they have computers and cellphones that we pay for they use on their own time? I see none can function at the CC meeting without them. Is it necessary with the nice power point presentations all need a computer? Shouldn't the public be allowed access to that information on that computer during CC meetings? It doesn't seem to me that it's just the dems that don't get it, but even our own city council and management teams. There's one CC rep that very seldom speaks and he definitely looks and acts like he doesn't get it at all.

     
  • posted at 8:00 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    wtf: You're perfectly welcome to talk about anything you choose, no one "owns" the discussion, except for maybe the original letter writer, LOL.Thanks for the compliments to who all gave them. ;)Thanks for the engaging conversation to all that gave it. ;)I thoroughly enjoyed the discussion...:)

     
  • posted at 7:56 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    And for those who are so worried about the "deadbeats" on social programs, I have news for you who the **real** deadbeats are....the GOBs with golden parachutes.Taxpayers should tell politicians NO MORE FINANCIAL BAILOUTShttp://worldpressnetwork.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=438

     
  • posted at 7:51 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    Before I forget....here's McCain's new campaign ad... LOL!http://www.politicalbull.net/mccain_and_palin_in_2008.htmlAlso....want to say sorry about interjecting off-topic posts when during your discussion, Acampo_Mom; but a certain know-it-all blogger who doesn't have a clue got my goat. ;)

     
  • posted at 7:50 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    And, Acampo_Mom, you're a welcome breath of fresh air after listening to the same old with their same one-sided take on every issue. There's no one on here smoother and more valuable to read than sam's blogs. Now he he always has something interesting to read and always leaves me with a feeling of contentment with well chosen thoughts. And, no, I don't agree all the time either, but that's who my vote goes to for usually interjecting with something nice to say on these blogs to keep them civil. Thank you, sam, for your wisdom and wise words and encouragement to keep going!

     
  • posted at 7:48 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    Lodian regarding your post at 12:32 PM....PRICELESS!!! LOL!

     
  • posted at 7:41 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    Acampo_Mom, you'll find that there are the chosen few here who think your thoughts and opinions mean nothing, only The fantasies they spew as their own. Lighten up, guilty ones, there actually are others that think for themselves, and refuse to be part of the sheepherd.

     
  • posted at 7:41 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    Acampo_Mom, sam, Leonard....LOVE your posts! Acampo_Mom you have an excellent point about social programs. They're in place to help people who hit a rough spot and should not be used as a lifestyle OR taken away. It's like welfare...originally designed to help women get over a rough spot, once past, they were to move on and become productive members of society...these programs are to be used as a bridge which, to me, is exactly what you and your family did. However, I find it deplorable that your husband did not receive more assistance from the country he gave his service to and when I hear Bush wanting to cut GI benefits even more, I want to scream.This is one of the reasons I like Ron Paul so much. He wants to reduce the social programs; but he realizes there are many people who are dependent on them and his plan would take care of those people as we transition to a new paradigm.

     
  • posted at 7:32 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    lodisafeway wrote "In my mind's eye, the majority of contributors on this forum are either pimply-faced, pre-pubescent middle-school students or brainless cheerleader/football player groups flexing their muscles in the mirror or shaking their pom-pons and uttering statements designed to convince others of their superiority while seeking desperately for acceptance from others due to offset their obvious inferiority complexes."lodisafeway: So, which one are you? LOL!

     
  • posted at 6:26 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    Acampo_Mom, keep on blogging. I, for one, enjoy reading your blogs and enjoy hearing your insight.

     
  • posted at 5:58 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    You're welcome. I hope you've learned something.

     
  • posted at 5:47 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    lodisafeway wrote on Aug 30, 2008 10:27 AM:And if the majority of the responses set forth on the Internet are a true indication of character (which I believe they are), then there's a lot of growing up to be done out here. Thanks Dad!For a man who spends so much time focussed on etiquette you can be awfully condescending.

     
  • posted at 5:27 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    Well, not to belabor the point, but debate (arguing) is about winning and losing; it is simply in our nature. It is how we conduct ourselves while playing the game that reveals not only our skill-sets and strategic abilities, but our characters as well. And if the majority of the responses set forth on the Internet are a true indication of character (which I believe they are), then there's a lot of growing up to be done out here.

     
  • posted at 5:24 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    I guess according to the Democrats, it's ***McCain*** who "doesn't get it"Dem ad: McCain `doesn't get it'http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080830/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_obama_ad

     
  • posted at 5:08 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    I don't look at it as winning or losing. Most of everyone posting here has a valid point. That doesn't mean to say of course that everyone will acknowledge all those valid points. I've always felt like I was toeing the line, when it came to politics and social debates. I don't claim to know all (ohhhhhh far from it!)You've mentioned in the past you find these forums entertaining, lodisafeway; so do I! It becomes addicting, I admit, and as a woman...I do so love to argue. :)

     
  • posted at 4:13 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    Acampo_Mom - I wasn't suggesting that "your" comments were disparaging or disrespectful. In context with my comments to you, this was added as just another part of the equation regarding my confusion as to why others are "here" as well. I apologize if my comments were not clear. My question to you was out of my confusion regarding your previous statement.As for this being like a "high school clique," you've hit the nail precisely on the head. In my mind's eye, the majority of contributors on this forum are either pimply-faced, pre-pubescent middle-school students or brainless cheerleader/football player groups flexing their muscles in the mirror or shaking their pom-pons and uttering statements designed to convince others of their superiority while seeking desperately for acceptance from others due to offset their obvious inferiority complexes. It doesn't much bother me overall, but as a steady diet it does get boring.Now, if anyone would really enjoy a civilized debate, then I'm all for that. But as in any contest, there are winners and losers. Those who lose need to learn how to take defeat graciously. Sadly, that is absent here.

     
  • posted at 2:42 am on Sat, Aug 30, 2008.

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    lodisafeway: I really didn't think that my posts were disparaging or disrespectful. Perhaps you read something into them that was antagonizing or hurtful.I did NOT say I could not be convinced of something....I only said I could not be convinced of something that is not already in my character to believe. I participate in the blogs for the same reason all of you do, to vent, to share my opinion, to satisfy my curiosity. If I happen to change someone's mind on something...all the better I suppose.Are these blogs only intended for a select few? Is this like a high school clique that I haven't been invited to join? Re-read my posts lodisafeway, I've tried to be as respectful as I could (kinda hard when you're discussing Libs and Conservatives...wouldn't you agree??) If it doesn't matter...I won't try so hard next time.

     
  • posted at 9:41 pm on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    to lodisafeway, so sorry you're confused. I'm sure you will get the answers that you are so desperately seeking, very soon.

     
  • posted at 8:38 pm on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    To Acampo Mom, you go girl! I agree with everything you say.

     
  • posted at 8:14 pm on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    Acampo_Mom - with a sentiment such as yours that, "There isn't anyone on this blog that can convince me of something that I'm not already prepared to believe," I wonder just why you are "here" at all. Could it be that you would rather take others to task for what they believe and somehow convince them that they must be "wrong" where you are obviously "right?"I know there are many here just like that and it confuses me to just what they hope to get out of a forum whose purpose is to actually discuss and debate the issues of the day. With no clear purpose other than to antagonize the opposition or somehow form alliances with others in this quest for lop-sided battle it just seems like an awful waste of energy.Lately there has been little civilized debate or discourse on just about any issue that has been introduced by the LNS or those offering their own opinions. Do people really "get off" in their attempt to make others feel disparaged or disrespected? While I find it exceedingly pathetic, I can see where others may very well be hurt by such behavior.

     
  • posted at 4:16 pm on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    S&W 5000 said " Why in the H should I have to pay for dirtbags to have a roof over their head when they fail to work! "I agree. I will help anyone who needs a hand. But those who refuse to work do not need my help.

     
  • posted at 4:05 pm on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    S&W 500, I am self employed. If you buy health insurance it is a direct tax write off. DO IT for you and your family. You deserve it. I had a family member let their insurance lapse from the time period of working for someone to becoming self employed. In that one month lapse their son was diagnosed with a killer disease. They are very wealthy. Had they been ordinary people, saving their child would have cost them everything.Seriously, think about it.

     
  • posted at 4:00 pm on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    Acampo_Mom wrote on Aug 29, 2008 6:40 PM:" sam: There isn't anyone on this blog that can convince me of something that I'm not already prepared to believe."Well said !!!!

     
  • posted at 3:39 pm on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    Acampo_Mom - T & C is only stating (rather emphatically I admit) that those who are abusing the programs that are provided by the government as assistance for those who are unable (either permanently or temporarily) to make it on their own should be taken to task for their behavior. The notion that Republicans (conservatives) want to shut down all social programs is simply not true. They just want to make sure that those who "need" it receive it; and those who "abuse" it are stopped and made to account for their illegal actions. Surely you can't be against that, are you?

     
  • posted at 3:33 pm on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    s & w 500 - Wow! Where did that come from? Just how am I rude? What did I "say" that got your feathers all ruffled. From what I gather from the rest of that confusing post, we're on the same page (to a large degree). I only stated that those who "cannot" fend for themselves should receive assistance. Those who "will not" should not be feeding at the government trough. Is this not precisely your point?Whether or not I work inside or outside is immaterial. The majority of us actually "choose" the type of work we engage in to make our way in life. If the heat is causing you problems perhaps a change might be in order.As for where I work, that is no one's business. What could that possibly have to do with anything?

     
  • posted at 2:31 pm on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    I see its been busy this after noon since I had some running around to do.Basically I said we could use FDRs WPA and CCC camps again for theHomeless and chronically unemployed and I still believe that. Federal and State assistance is for those in true need, not for the ones who cheatand steal from it. I for one am sick of hearing about Katrina. The local, State and Federal fell down on the job but the folks let them selves down,they stayed when they should have Hauled A**The Coast Guard, ArmyAir Force, Navy and Fish and game Helicopter pilots were flying in 100+ mph winds rescuing people. My point Self-Reliance will save your hidewaiting for the State or Feds just might cost you yoursThe US CoastGuard rescued 35,000 souls

     
  • posted at 2:08 pm on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    s & W 500: I'm just curious...What DO you want your tax dollars to go towards?

     
  • posted at 2:02 pm on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    case in point

     
  • posted at 1:56 pm on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    Lodi Safeway: I am no fool, and you are RUDE. Do you actually work at Safeway? Do you have a job? Did you feel the pain of working in 100+ degrees all week? Yes, I pay more than my fair of taxes over 35%!!! Why in the H should I have to pay for dirtbags to have a roof over their head when they fail to work! Why should I pay for their WIC? Why should I have to pay for their Dr's visits at LMH when they have no health insurance, and the taxpayers/doctors foot the bill! btwI am self-employed, have NO health insurance, and pay cash for all medical. If people are lazy, that is fine, let them live near a disarmed nuclear power plant. All the jobless/homeless/milkers should go there, get them outta my neighborhood.

     
  • posted at 1:40 pm on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    sam: There isn't anyone on this blog that can convince me of something that I'm not already prepared to believe.All I am saying is, it looks a lot like conservatives are just waiting for their chance to shut down as many social programs as possible. I know why. Because social programs cost the tax payer more...in taxes. And people hate to see something handed to someone, when they've worked so hard to achieve the same thing (also understandable).I wonder if many people know how small the percentage is that our tax dollars go towards social programs.I know I will not convince anyone to see it my way, nor will they convince me to see it theirs. The most I can really hope for is for acceptance of the differences.

     
  • posted at 1:23 pm on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    Acampo_Mom, it is so pathetic to hear people collecting fulltime disability condemning others for doing so. Careful who you listen too on these blogs.

     
  • posted at 12:58 pm on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    lodisafeway: I try to make as informed decisions as I can.My decisions are also based on what I feel or know to be right.Again the writing is on the wall:T & C says: "...Demos are for handing out checks, esp. to those who don't need it, but take it to support their addictions, and trade their food stamp card for drugs or booze!"How else am I to interpret this lodisafeway? And there are sooooo many conservatives that feel this way. If you get all those conservatives together and let them write laws...what will happen?

     
  • posted at 12:28 pm on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    Acampo_Mom - My only suggestion to you is to not take anything at face value what you hear or read. Limbaugh, Savage, Hannity or anyone else aren't the know-alls of the Republican Party or the conservative movement. As with anything else, gather all of the information that you can, evaluate it and then make an "informed" decision of your own.

     
  • posted at 10:17 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    I am truly ASHAMED of how America, "Our Government" Has handled and mishandled Katrina after affects, and esp. while it was happening! It is a wake up call for what the entire country can look forward to in another national crisis! And you,lodisafeway? You want to make us believe that the Demos, could have done better? Here is a NEWS FLASH for you! All these years the senate and house " run by the demos have done "Very little" "for the people!" There are still hundreds and hundreds down south living in tents under bridges! Doesn't just make you proud?

     
  • posted at 10:12 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    News Flash for: lodisafeway! If one is a drug addict or alcoholic and has the documentation, they can get SSI disability, free medical and free food stamps for 3 years! If by the 35th month they finally sign up for drug rehab program they are extended for 1 more year! Demos are for handing out checks, esp. to those who don't need it, but take it to support their addictions, and trade their food stamp card for drugs or booze! Many will live on the street but use someone elses address so they can spend what was to be a roof over their head. I cannot support a democratic president who obviously would expand those programs! The choice for addicts is simple, STOP GETTING HIGH AND GETTING DRUNK! then you will be able to get a job!

     
  • posted at 9:21 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    Brian, the question itself is fallacious. There is no answer to it.

     
  • posted at 9:16 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    Leonard wrote on Aug 28, 2008 6:21 PM:" Brian wrote on Aug 28, 2008 5:49 PM:" Leonard, can you safely say that we would still not have had another terrorist attack under a Kerry adminstration?Again Brian, asking the demand to prove a negative is a logical fallacy.I would think that you would be embarrassed to make the same structural error of argument over and over again.Evidently, you are not. "Leonard, yet another one of your ways of sidestepping the issue. I'm not impressed with your logical fallacy stuff. A simple yes or not would have sufficed.

     
  • posted at 8:53 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    Thanks Sam-It wasn't really even a tragedy...just a rough patch. But I refuse to feel ashamed of it because of the stigma surrounding the topic of social programs. Everyone...EVERYONE needs help now and then. That was the point I was getting at. Did everyone know that many of our military families are below the poverty level? I knew some families on food stamps, ours was on WIC (Women, Infants and Children). NO ONE is immune to hard times...NOT ONE.

     
  • posted at 8:47 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    lodisafeway:I didn't mean to imply that I think that ALL conservatives would take ALL the programs away. But I hear and read on a daily basis, those same conservatives complain that anyone that takes advantage of those programs are drains on society, deadbeats, lazy losers...etc. etc.I listen to the very conservative Michael Savage (Independent) show regularly (I don't know why...he irritates the heck out of me), and he dedicates a HUGE portion of his show bad mouthing all the social programs. Most of his listeners seem to feel the same. Most of the conservatives that blog here on LNS, seem to feel the same. I agree that the people who CAN help themselves SHOULD. The problem with that, is that the government doesn't know how to weed them out without letting the ones who CAN'T suffer.I don't want to sound presumptuous, I can only take what I read or hear from others at face value. Until everyone starts qualifying their written or spoken opinions on such subjects with "except when... but only if...other than...", the writing is on the wall.

     
  • posted at 7:09 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    The Republicans have failed us for the last 8 years. And yes, Bush has said in the past to fin for ourselves in time of need! Republicans just don't get it! You would rather throw money away on other countires than fix home. You think it's American to borrow money from China everday to pay for oil?

     
  • posted at 6:01 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    Typically there are those among us who keep trying to insist that conservatives (Republicans) who believe that those who "cannot" work should be left to fend for themselves. This is patently false. However, since the notion is usually accepted by those who "cannot" think for themselves anyway, any amount of real information presented to them in this regard is wasted.The majority of Americans have "struggled" during their lifetimes; isn't this simply the result of being a resident of the planet? Sure, there are those who were fortunate enough to have been born to wealthy families - what should we do, continue to take money away from them as a result of their successes? The fact is we are made better people by overcoming those struggles and adversities that are laid at our feet.For those who "cannot" do for themselves, they should certainly receive the aid that they need. And there are programs in place to help them. It is those who "will not" try to improve their own lots in life who should be prevented from taking from the rest of us who ARE taking care of our own.

     
  • posted at 5:38 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    Besides, God has spoken. LOL! Today marks the third anniversary of Hurricane Katrina and we all know the "bang up" job Bush and Brownie did there...while they're waiting for Hurricane Gustav to arrive.http://uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUKN2942710820080829BUT in addition to that, today is Manchurican McCain's birthday.http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/images/20050829-5_p082905pm-0125-515h.htmlCall me superstitious, but I will not be voting for a disaster.

     
  • posted at 5:38 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    Nice blogs Acampo_Mom. All it takes is one personal tragedy that threatens all that you thought to be safe and sacred to open your eyes. When we help others in need it makes us stronger as a country..

     
  • posted at 5:34 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    I definitely do not want this incompetent boob, McCain running the show. According to him, Iraq is a peaceful and stable country now.http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/28/mccain-iraq-peaceful/

     
  • posted at 4:53 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    And what the heck happened to all my quotation marks and apostrophes???The text box ate them all up!

     
  • posted at 4:51 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    Part 3Im happy when things work out for people. I admire anyone who has done well for themselves and their family. Its great that people can reap the rewards of success, like owning a home, and buying expensive cars. But its a damn shame that in a country like ours, where so many people have so much, that some cant see past the end of their own nose and notice that people who dont have anything, dont usually choose that path for themselvesthey just dont know how pull themselves out of the abyss.

     
  • posted at 4:51 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    Part 2Like you, we are a hard working family. We have made sacrifices so that I can stay at home and raise my own kids. My husband served in the Marines for 6 years. When he got out, he was unemployed (unfortunately, the military doesnt help in the transitioning much). If there werent any social programs do you think we would have survived? We took advantage of unemployment compensation, WIC (in fact we were on WIC when he was active duty), Healthy Families (medi-cal), Head Start, PIC (govt. paid job training), and a couple others I dont recall. We struggleda lot. If none of those social programs existed, and we were told by someonehey youre sh#t out of luck where would be now? Possibly homeless? Possibly unemployed?

     
  • posted at 4:51 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    Part 1Gator:I understand your logic to an extent. But do you realize that in following that logic, the government would have to literally let thousands of people (mostly children, or the infirm) starve to death, or perish from common illnesses? I realize there are A LOT of people that should get off their lazy duffs and go get a job, and act responsibly. What about those that cant? I wont support anyones policy that would allow kids to go hungry because their parents cant or wont do the right thing. I wont support anyones policy that would allow the disabled or elderly to live in squalor, because they are too sick (or old) to work. There are so MANY reasons why we need social programs, and as human beings, as Americans, we have to look after our own.You said it yourself Gator We need to help an another and forget Me,Me,Me. No one person can do it alone!!!

     
  • posted at 3:35 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    Leonard, no offense taken!! I consider you one of the better minds on theseBoards. I say till Reid and Pelosi are gone there will be problems. Its a coldday in hell when either side can count on a 100% vote on their side.No my argument is with the American public. As I have said before the wordsaccountability and self-reliance have mostly disappeared in today societywe let our legislatures run ruff-shod over us and we want these clownsto take care of all our needs. Im a High School Drop out who has workedhard for what we have, no one gave me squat. I have a large home, a finewonderful family ,3 cars, I buy my own health insurance, mow my own lawn and at the end of the day sit back and tip an Alaskan Amber and say life is goodI would love to see FDRs WPA and CCC put back in usefor the chronically un-employed and homeless, you want aid, work forIt!!! Ya-all want a helping hand, try the one at the end of your arm!!

     
  • posted at 3:25 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    Gator Aug 29 6:14 AM:Well put, I agree. I am faced with the problem of not liking one of the incumbents, and not agreeing with the policies of the other. But as you said, it comes down to a choice of picking the lesser of the two evils.

     
  • posted at 2:38 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    Gator: My last post sounds condescending. I didn't mean it that way. I guess that's what happens when you post before you've had your coffee.Apologies-LP

     
  • posted at 2:03 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    Gator: With Lieberman one of the top contenders for the GOP Vice Presidential nomination, it should be apparent even to you that the Democrats do not control the Senate.The Democrats have 50 votes, the Republicans have 50 votes and Cheney breaks the tie in favor of the GOP.If, in a couple of years after the Democrats have ousted Larry Craig, Ted Stevens and some other key members of the Republican leadership they still have not accomplished anything, then I will gladly hear your complaints.

     
  • posted at 1:14 am on Fri, Aug 29, 2008.

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    Leonard, you know better than to say that Im a loyal Soldier to any party!!What I see is the lesser of 2 evils, Making the best out of 2 P P Cs I thinkYou know what I mean by the 3 letters. As for the land slide in thelegislature, so what nothing will change, they have done nothing for the past2 years and they are owned by the lobbyist. When lobbyist can pay 58 mil, up front for the convention and will do the same for the Republicans, gameover. When the American public stands on their own two feet and demandsaccountability then and only then will things change. As for Obama I canthelp but respect the man, he is someone who you could have a beer with andFeel totally at easeIts my party Leonard that I cant stand, as I have said before its time for folks to wake up and re-learn the word self-reliance,a lot of people have it, most dont. Lastly I have never nor will I ever voteParty only!!! Vote the person!!!

     
  • posted at 10:39 pm on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    Gator: All of those polls show the GOP losing as congressional seats across the nation and as many as 7 Senate seats. That is the landslide to which I am referring.I am confident that we will take the Presidency as well. The American people do not want 4 more years of this Administrations failed policies.Heck, I don't really believe that you want 4 more years of this Administration's failed policies. You are just a good soldier for your party.Loyalty, its an admirable trait but sometimes blind loyalty can go to far.

     
  • posted at 4:17 pm on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    Anyone who attempts to guess what any other person (Republican, Democrat, Independent, Man, Woman, etc.) would have done as president in reaction to the events that took place on September 11, 2001 is a fool.

     
  • posted at 4:12 pm on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    Zogby,pew,NYT ABC-USA-TO DAY Dead evento no more than 3% points,Sorry

     
  • posted at 3:37 pm on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    SportsGuru wrote on Aug 28, 2008 7:35 PM:This is starting to wreak of a landslide for the Republicans.A landslide in which the GOP loses the Whitehouse as well as congressional seats that they have held for thirty years?Either you haven't been reading the polls or you have a very different definition of the word "landslide".

     
  • posted at 2:38 pm on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    ..And, YES .. choosing Bush over Gore REALLY shows you what a MORON the american people think Al Gore is (outside of Hollywood)

     
  • posted at 2:35 pm on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    The American People cant be fooled, thats right because they have been very busy fooling them selvesWe have forgotten how to do things forourselves, the now generation has turned into the Me, Me, Me generationI want it my way and I want it now!!! We bought Houses we couldntafford on ARM or Balloon payment loans then walked away broke sayingIt wasnt my fault, bought big gas hog,s that cost a hundred bucks to fill,damn oil companies!!! A very big number dont vote, you let the legislatureget away with murder and blame it on Bush, why not didnt he cause Katrina the Indonesian tidal wave, big fires in California and every otherMajor disaster, I will give you a war that just maybe shouldnt have taken place, But who let it happenWe have a mess of our making and we and we alone can clean it up. we need to grow up and fix it our selves. We need to help an another and forget Me,Me,Me. No one person can do it alone!!!

     
  • posted at 2:35 pm on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    .Amen, JeromeAnd further, at this point in the past couple of presidential elections the democratic candidates were FAR AHEAD in the polls - due to the liberal media's skewing of coverage and polling - but not this time.This is starting to wreak of a landslide for the Republicans.I was struck by how much Obama struggled in a one on one interview recently. He over thinks every answer, and did not look sharp outside of giving a speech.You can't hide from that deficiency for very long.

     
  • posted at 2:13 pm on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    Upon the atrocities committed on 9-11-01, Gore would have put us in a situation where we would now be wearing head-dresses and praying the mecca 4 times a day.I want a president who will reduce taxes, reduce "enabler" programs, and enforce crimes, immigration issues included. Also, make politicians prove they are doing their job! I, WE, are paying their salaries, NO MORE LIES!

     
  • posted at 2:00 pm on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    lodisafeway wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:16 AM: The truth is the American people aren't as stupid as the Democrats have always believed. And they aren't as easily fooled either. "Well, Every person who has RUN for office has promised every group one thing or another to GET THIER VOTE, and rarely follow thru and they always BLAME the other Party! The polls have not closed yet, so it is pre-mature for you to say "We the People are not easily fooled"!

     
  • posted at 1:21 pm on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on Aug 28, 2008 5:49 PM:" Leonard, can you safely say that we would still not have had another terrorist attack under a Kerry adminstration?Again Brian, asking the demand to prove a negative is a logical fallacy.I would think that you would be embarrassed to make the same structural error of argument over and over again.Evidently, you are not.

     
  • posted at 1:19 pm on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on Aug 28, 2008 5:49 PM:Better yet, how would gore have reacted to 911? I can tell you this. If 9/11 had occurred under President Gore exactly as it occurred under President Bush and if Gore had behaved exactly as Bush did....the Republicans would have definitely impeached President Gore.

     
  • posted at 1:07 pm on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    Actually the people people don't get it. The Democrat and Republican politicans both get it! What these politicans get is your money and the opportunity to vacation and play power games at the expense of Americans and America's future. Since moral values have declined, these politicans are now all about self rather than representing America. Check out the criminal records of our U.S. Congress. You won't believe it. Of course many of them have gotten off on Congressional immunity. They are a pitiful lot and when the 'Obamanation of Desolation' gets in office say 'Adios' to America and the McCaination of Desolation isn't any better.

     
  • posted at 12:49 pm on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    Leonard, can you safely say that we would still not have had another terrorist attack under a Kerry adminstration?Better yet, how would gore have reacted to 911? I suppose he would have said, Boy those terrorist should left a big carbon footprint flying those planes into the WTC and the Pentagon.

     
  • posted at 12:28 pm on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    You know all this Obama/Mcain B/S going down, every one playing the oneupmanship is a crock. You tell me what is going to change???? TonightCharlie Gibson and Brian Ross gave the Low down on the Lobbyist at theconvention!! They paid for the whole ball of wax 58 million plus!!Andas soon as the convention is over the advance parties will head forMinnesota and the Republicans. Joe Guz was right on the money. All ofthe McCain/Obama is no good bull is like spitting in the wind and basicallythe general public could care lessAmerica needs an intervention soon..

     
  • posted at 11:41 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    Oh, Brian.

     
  • posted at 9:43 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    The Titanic was on its maiden voyage.McCain reminds me more of some old broken down old tanker soaking seals and birds in his effluent.

     
  • posted at 9:40 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    Nice try on selling McCain, Jerome; but it's too much like trying to sell passage on the Titanic. Think I'll pass.

     
  • posted at 8:39 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:35 PM:Leonard, have you reinforced your grandstand just in case Gustav decides to head your wayEver since the 89' quake left me wondering where I was going to get my next drink of water I have kept a two week supply of everything on hand.

     
  • posted at 8:37 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    Brian: Would you say that the economy is better off today than it was when Bush took office?.

     
  • posted at 8:35 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    Leonard Wrote: What we KNOW doesn't work is everything that this Administration has been doing for the last 8 years to destroy this once powerful and prosperous country.-You think by now Leonard would have figured out that his feeble grandstanding only makes him that much more of a fool.Leonard, have you reinforced your grandstand just in case Gustav decides to head your way?

     
  • posted at 8:30 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    Leonard wrote "PDT DENVER (AP) --Cindy McCain's half sister says she will not vote for Republican John McCain and plans to cast her ballot for his Democratic rival, Barack Obama."Yes, it's amazing, a Demo is voting for a demo.rather than a little snip here's more of the storyhttp://www.azcentral.com/news/election/president/articles/2008/08/19/20080819cindymccain0819-ON.htmlIn a nutshell, the half-sister was out of mrs. Mccain's life before she was even born, had very little contact and the half sister was snubbed in the will. Gee, bitterness over money never lead anyone to say nasty things before.Schwarzenegger is married to the Kennedy's, is it shocking he's not voting Demo?

     
  • posted at 7:24 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    (08-28) 12:07 PDT DENVER (AP) --Cindy McCain's half sister says she will not vote for Republican John McCain and plans to cast her ballot for his Democratic rival, Barack Obama.:)

     
  • posted at 7:14 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    sam: No I didn't have the opportunity to hear her speak. I could probably find it on the web somewhere, though, I'm sure.I still haven't made up my mind WHO I'm voting for, if anyone at all. I have research to do, I suppose. It won't be McCain, I already know that, and as far as I know, there aren't any independents worth considering either. I know I won't be making the same mistake by voting without being informed, only to regret it later. This time I plan on trying to make an educated decision.

     
  • posted at 6:58 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    Acampo_Mom, sam & Leonard....GREAT posts!

     
  • posted at 6:48 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    Neither party is really what they say they are. Each is in it just for there own power and agrandizement. The best the voters can hope for is gridlock. Dem in the white house/GOP is power in congress or vice versa. Either nothing gets done - which is good or the checks and balances are restored. The worst outcome is Dem WH/Dem Congress or GOP WH/GOP congress. Look back over the last 50 years, when were things best? The last 8 years were driven by GOP WH/GOP congress, not good.What we really need is viable 3rd parties - Green, Libertarian, Independent, etc. The problem is you have 535 people split between 2 house making decision for 300 million. Doesn't work. Need to move the House to about 1000 reps and balance down to about 1 rep per 300K not 1 rep per 750K-800K. Too many people are not being represented. Look at Lodi, does McNerney speak for lodi or Livermore?

     
  • posted at 6:00 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    Make that "no worse".

     
  • posted at 5:51 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    Cogito wrote on Aug 28, 2008 9:12 AM:" Here's the difference:Democrats: "I'll give you what you want" Republicans:"I'll let you keep what you have"We know that all politicians are liars. Lets consider Cogito's statement in that context.If the Democrats promise to give you what you want and they fail to deliver, you are know worse off than you were before.If the Republican's, however, promise to let you keep what you have, you are left after 8 years wondering how you lost what you had, how you are going to pay off the record deficit that the President has borrowed and how the heck those folks at Halliburton got so rich.

     
  • posted at 5:16 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    T & C - if you are correct in your belief that ". . .voters, simply want to put a Demo pres in office just to get rid of the Republication disappointment," then why isn't Obama waaaaaay out in front at this point? Here we are on the cusp of his glorious acceptance speech at Invesco Field and the race is virtually tied. Oh, there are those who would have us believe that the polls are wrong and that the people who create voting machines are going to wreak havoc by stealing the election ("again" as these same people still believe about 2000).The truth is the American people aren't as stupid as the Democrats have always believed. And they aren't as easily fooled either.

     
  • posted at 5:15 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    Acampo_Mom, did you by chance get to hear President Eisenhower's grand daughter speak? She was amazing. My guess is that she is 50-60 ish, well educated, and very articulate. She did say her entire family are Republicans and they are jumping party to support Obama. They see all him as an intelligent, well educated, articulate leader that our country desparately needs now.

     
  • posted at 5:03 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    Before you cast your Vote for OBAMA, consider this! With a DEMO Senate & House & President, whatever OBAMA wants to sign into law and have 2/3 majority will Be LAW! Demo's are not for Business, Defense or Employment! They are for Social Programs! I hate it when a Demo senate & house FIGHT a republican Pres tooth & nail! Just once EVERYONE, wouldn't we like to see BOTH PARTIES stop bickering like spoiled children wanting candy and DO WHAT MUST BE DONE TO HELP AMERICA? We are a great people and a Great nation, but we need to HELP ourselves first and STOP giving BILLIONS to other COUNTRIES!

     
  • posted at 5:00 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    Let the Mud Slinging Begin! What worries me most, is that The Republicans, President Bush, has damaged this country and our image around the world so Badly, that voters, simply want to put a Demo pres in office just to get rid of the Republication disappointment. Not because of what the Demo's Promise EVERY Group of voters, but merely because they are phobic against Republican! To vote for OBAMA simply because you don't want another Republican in office is STUPID! We need a new direction and OBAMA is FEEDING on our NEED for change! We are walking right into his plan! But just like every other president before Obama, once they are in office they do not follow thru!

     
  • posted at 4:12 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    Here's the difference: Democrats: "I'll give you what you want" Republicans:"I'll let you keep what you have"

     
  • posted at 4:08 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    cont.-Unless you are wealthy, what would make you think that the conservatives are on your side?Being a member of a blue collar family, I support the group of people that are there to help me up if I happen to fall down. Not the group that turns a blind eye, or calls me a deadbeat, while shoveling more money in their own pockets.The Democrats have become Liberal because, for the most part there are Republicans, and then there are the Others. Democrats have become the Others. Theyve absorbed all the groups that represent things other than dollar signs or universal conformity. You might not support ALL of the things within the Democrats circle, but if you believe in just one, and show support, you will be labeled a Liberal, as if it is a four letter word.

     
  • posted at 4:07 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    IMO - Here is the difference between Democrats and Republicans: Collectively, the Democrats encompass many, many special interests groups. Environmentalists; Immigration rights proponents; human righters; equal righters; pro-choicers; those who speak out for the poor, the homeless; the working class. Collectively, the Democrats are the underdog. Republicans are for the wealthy ($). They fight for tax cuts and credits for large corporations ($). They fight to curtail our rights. They fight for another hundred years of war ($).

     
  • posted at 3:51 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    The whole thing is just the flip side of McCain's POW story.This woman stood loyally by her man through the years of his deployment and then captivity, only to be betrayed in the most contemptible way by him when he finally came home.McCain's personal behavior as a POW was certainly honorable and as such deserves our commendation. His personal behavior when he returned, however, was contemptible and is equally worthy of our condemnation.If a man is going to base much of his campaign on his personal honor, should not his markedly dishonorable behavior then be considered?

     
  • posted at 3:37 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    Sam: McCain is an old man now, so history is forgiven I suppose?It sounded like to me that McCain cheated on his wife for years, only to finally leave her for the richest, youngest, prettiest trophy wife he could find. But at least his ex forgives him; he promised to pay her medical bills for the rest of her life. What a charitable man.What I don't get is why this thing with Edwards is playing out the way it is. He isn't even in the race anymore. Dropped out before this even became an issue. Yet, one of the big contenders has the same thing hanging over his head, and it hasn't even been given a sideways glance...Why is that???

     
  • posted at 3:16 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    Cog, check out history. McCain was still married to Carol.

     
  • posted at 3:14 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    JFK used to drive the Secret Service nuts with the constant dragging of hookers into his room while he was on the road. Clinton, Condit, Edwards, and the like didn,t seem to be disliked on their job, and they were CURRENTLY cheating on their wives. You know, the ones that they were CURRENTLY married to. I'm a sinner who's not casting stones, just pointing out some facts.

     
  • posted at 2:56 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    So, why have these things happened to Democrat contenders? The answer is simple "Liberalism" doesn't work. Now, that is something the voters do "get.After 8 years of the Bush Administration, for a Bush lackey like Jerome to talk about what doesn't work.... well it just seems a little absurd. What we KNOW doesn't work is everything that this Administration has been doing for the last 8 years to destroy this once powerful and prosperous country. Now, folks like Jerome want us to sign up for 4 more years of the McSame?NO WAY!

     
  • posted at 2:53 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    Nice blog, Acampo_Mom.

     
  • posted at 2:39 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    John95632: You asked "What am I missing?????" Few people know that McCain ALSO was a philanderer, back in his day. He was known by many as a playboy, a womanizer. The current Mrs. McCain isn't the first Mrs. McCain. The first Mrs. was terribly injured and disfigured in a tragic accident (before that she was of super model quality). McCain left her and married a younger, richer, more beautiful Mrs.Why are the extramarital comings and goings of the Dems such an important subject? Why is everyone ignoring the despicable things that McCain has done?Oh yeah...because was a war hero.I know I'm asking for it by bringing this up, but I just couldn't help myself.

     
  • posted at 2:22 am on Thu, Aug 28, 2008.

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    I believe the democrats have suddenly developed a keen sense of morality. John Edwards has been banned from making a speech at the democratic convention for having an affair and lying about it. In his place Bill Clinton will be speaking. What am I missing?????

     

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