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Posted: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:31 am, Wed Aug 1, 2012.

Recently the mayors of Boston, Chicago and San Francisco have told Dan Cathy, president of Chick-fil-A restaurants, that they are not wanted in their cities. Why? Because he has stated that his company opposes same-sex marriage and believes in the biblical definition of marriage as that being between one man and one woman.

In a letter to Mr. Cathy, Boston Mayor Thomas Menino wrote, “There is no place for discrimination on Boston’s Freedom Trail and no place for your company alongside it.”

In saying this, the mayor has violated his own belief. The very thing he is accusing Chick-fil-A of — discriminating against gays because of their belief in biblical marriage — is what he is doing, discriminating against Chick-fil-A because of his belief in gay marriage. But, according to his tortured logic, he is right and they are wrong.

The blood that stained the Freedom Trail paved way for our Constitution, which guarantees freedom of speech for everyone, not just for those who are politically correct. If the Freedom Trail was only for those who hold to a certain world view, then in reality, it was for no one.

Chick-fil-A has the right to do business in Boston. If they open a restaurant and aren’t profitable, they’ll close down. If they are profitable, however, they will provide jobs for many people and be an asset to the community.

How far America has fallen when those who hold biblical world views are not welcome in the fabric of society.

Pastor Frank Nolton

New Hope Community Church

Lodi

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86 comments:

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:40 pm on Mon, Aug 6, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Crowder stated...Every decent human being alive on the planet today understands that slavery is immoral

    I agree with this statement 100%... which is why a dislike liberals as they support policies and governments that enslave many.

    As much as I disagree with Mr. Crowder, I somehow perceive he is a good person at heart who is compassionate.Why? I do not know how or why my gut tells me this.

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 5:23 pm on Mon, Aug 6, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Strangely enough, Brian, I'm going to agree with you. Let's use scientific and historical evidence, along with basic innate morality to back our claims, rather than an ancient book of myths. Jesus is supposed to have said many wise things, but he also supported the atrocity of slavery. Every decent human being alive on the planet today understands that slavery is immoral. Would you follow a local holy man who supported slavery? I think not.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:47 am on Mon, Aug 6, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    Steve,

    Your use of Jesus in an attempt to bolster your argument and back your claim that homosexuality is ok is simply ridiculous.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:43 am on Mon, Aug 6, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    Steve Schmidt wrote:

    As for "phony Christians" I challenge you to show me one place in the Bible where Jesus Christ condemns homosexuality. Christ brought us a NEW COVENANT and a message of LOVE.

    -Jesus also didn't condemn many other things one would consider abhorrent. Beastiality is one that comes to mind.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:42 am on Fri, Aug 3, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [thumbup]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:38 am on Fri, Aug 3, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [thumbup]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:30 am on Fri, Aug 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Walter stated..."And the real irony is that you don't know the material!!!!"

    And neither does Darrell. Hehe...

    Please define "know" ..and which specfic material do you guess that I do not know.


     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 8:17 am on Fri, Aug 3, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    "If people simply kept their egregious beliefs to themselves, we could just ignore them."
    Mr. Crowder, I couldn't agree more. But, as the title to this thread implies, it "Is a Two Way Street."

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 7:22 am on Fri, Aug 3, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    There ya go again Walter, removing all doubt.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 7:19 am on Fri, Aug 3, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Mean? Mean is what your "equals", the gay and lesbian community and their supporters were to Mr. Cathy and Chick-Fil-A. He merely stated HIS beliefs on gay marriage and they crucified him. Gay and pro-gay advocates consider any attempt to speak out against their lifestyle as mean but they can bully and be as mean as they want to promote themselves. Look around and witness for yourself the mean vicious attacks the gay and lesbian community perpetrate on anybody they consider not in favor of their lifestyle. If you consider expressing ones beliefs mean and should be suppressed, then all of the heroes that have defended our right to free speech did so in vain. A couple of posters here are right, eventually God will determine who got it right and who got it wrong.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:18 am on Fri, Aug 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Rowland stated...There is no need to bash each other. I rarely comment on anything here because it always turns negative

    I couldnt agree more. Thank you for the observation. In contrast to Ms Rowland, In thinking about what she said, I think many of my posts are a result of content that prevents her from participating.

    I hope you make more posts Ms Rowland. I think you have it right and are more mature than most. We all are helped by people who demonstrate and model what is appropriate. My experience with people who are Christians is that they dive into the lions den and demonstrate what it is to be loving, caring and compassionate so others can follow if they desire. I would hope you consider posting more of your thoughts to add to and reinforce what is right.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:01 am on Fri, Aug 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Just an observation in comparing and contrasting your thoughts and actions to others who I observe. Not a matter of fun... just reality.

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 6:33 am on Fri, Aug 3, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    People have a right to believe in fanciful, silly things like unicorns and talking snakes. They also have a right to believe in hurtful things like slavery, apartheid, the subjugation of women, and marriage inequality. Should we pat them on the head for all these beliefs, Ms. Roland, and make nice so we don't hurt their feelings? If people simply kept their egregious beliefs to themselves, we could just ignore them. But they act out by hurting others with restrictive legislation and discriminatory business practices. Decent people do not look the other way or say something nice when their fellow citizens are denied basic rights. You would not have the right to vote if they had, Ms. Rowland.

     
  • Nora Rowland posted at 9:49 pm on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Nora Posts: 8

    It's too bad that much of this has turned into nasty attacks on other peoples opinions and beliefs. If you don't believe the way someone else does that is your choice, a choice God has given you. There is no need to bash eachother. I rarely comment on anything here because it always turns negative. Maybe think about saying something positive or helpful instead of insulting and hurtful.

     
  • Nora Rowland posted at 9:45 pm on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Nora Posts: 8

    Mr. Schmidt,
    It's too bad you don't actually know Pastor Frank NOLTON, not Nolan. He is not evil in any manner. If you knew him you would know that he is a man of God and integrity. Sorry you haven't had the opportunity to meet him. Maybe someday.

     
  • Nora Rowland posted at 9:35 pm on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Nora Posts: 8

    Well said Jay.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 8:52 pm on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1132

    "And the real irony is that you don't know the material!!!!"

    And neither does Darrell. Hehe...

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 8:47 pm on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1132

    Dude, perceive away and have fun!!

    [huh]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 8:44 pm on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1132


    Colonel Convenient Christian said: "Pedophiles? Beastiality? Incest?"

    Real good post.

    Pump up your chest and be proud, Colonel.

    I'm not on any mission or cause, I'm only here because you're here.

    When you're mean and nasty to people, I can't help it but I'm compelled to respond.

    You've been mean a lot lately too.

    Now you're using God in an attemp to bolster your argument and back your mean sprited and hateful claims.

    It's sickening!!

    And the real irony is that you don't know the material!!!!

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 6:33 pm on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    So, Walter, tell me, just how far down the line does your "pro-equality" extend? Pedophiles? Beastiality? Incest? Perhaps you could convince the Bereau of Prisons to release all of those convicted of these criimes in the interest of "equality". I have news for you, if you are arguing that homosexuality is not a sin and should be a permissible Christian lifestyle, you are not "pro-equality", you are PRO-GAY. It has been my experience that people who are advocates of homosexuality are either gay themselves, have family or close friends that are, OR both. Which category do you fall in Walter?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:15 pm on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Great Post Alex, thanks for the clarity.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:15 pm on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Chang, If you are being sincere, no I cannot believe you are a Christian... maybe you just perceive that you are.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:55 pm on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Quick, Walter, jump on your WIKI Bible and find scripture where killing unborn babies (abortion) is a Christian approved procedure. After all, it IS legal in most of the United States. Christ didn't condemn abortion so it must be permissible in the Christian community. After all, MAN says it IS legal.

     
  • Sam Heller posted at 5:32 pm on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Sam Heller Posts: 176

    Great post Alex. I am a Christian too... and I guess a Christian Liberal because I do not use "select pieces " of Leviticus to define what is right or wrong. I ... as a Christian Liberal ... believe in Christ's 2 commandments 1) Love your God with your whole heart and 2) Love your neighbor as yourself.. Follow those two laws and life falls into place.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:30 pm on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Walter, Walter, Walter, counting words in the Bible to bolster your claims of what the Bible says and it doesn't say is the epitome of asurdity. You aren't invoking your new adopted adage very well, Walter. You keep removiing all doubt.

     
  • Alex Kennedy posted at 5:13 pm on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Alex Posts: 215

    A very Christian liberal is one who follows God's teachings through Christ's words and actions like loving my fellow man, reserving judgment for God, and taking care of the poor and needy amongst us and never tries to force their belief down the people's throats via legislation. 

    As a Christian, I strongly believe abortion is wrong. That is why I have never had one. I also know that God will be the ultimate judge, so if a woman chooses an abortion that choice is one she should have to explain to God someday. It is not up to men like you to take that choice away from her. 

    If you are against abortion, do not have one. Don't take away the rights of others to do so.

    If you are against gay marriage, do not gay-marry. Don't take away other's rights to do so.

    Conservatives claim to be small-government but incessantly try to legislate our innermost personal issues. Issues that in no way directly effect the lives of anyone not involved. 

    I have a cousin who is gay-married, how does that effect anyone but her, her wife, and their friends and family? And who has been hurt by their blessed union? If it angers God, God will deal with it,  man should mind his business.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:18 pm on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1132

    "kill unborn babies?"

    I hope not!!!!


     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:15 pm on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1132

    "When in Rome, do as the Romans do"

    Darrell, I'm sorry but we've never met.

    Here's an idea: Take the wife to Mass this Sunday. Get out of your rut and go check it out. She'd probably enjoy it! Also, unless you're fluent in Spanish, attend the English service. It's only an hour of your time. Then you two can go have an enjoyable breakfast at one of Lodi's fine eateries. I'm being sincere.

    Peace be with you!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:04 pm on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Chang... just curious. Based on the content of your posts in general, I cannot tell the difference between you and many atheists I have met. Are you sure you are a Christian? Most people I know are Catholics which is prevalent in the Mexican culture. You are not like Christian I have ever met. Most I know are thoughtful, kind, considerate and loving.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:58 pm on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Alex stated...As a very Christian liberal...

    Humm... what is a Christian liberal? Is that a person who thinks it is ok to kill unborn babies? Just asking as I am not exactly sure what you are referring to.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:54 pm on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...Actually, I had to chuckle when he ( Mr Kinderman) put you in your place a few days ago. Must have been heartbreaking for you?

    Actually, I have not read such a post from Mr Kinderman. Can you please post what you are referring to.

    In reality, I think Mr Kinderman's posts are always thoughtful and accurate. It is not possible though that he or anyone else could post something that would result in me being heart broken. If fact, you having a chuckle about something that does not exist reminds me of all those bigots around every corner you "think" does exist. You are definitely the tail end of a big joke Ms Bobin... thanks for being so amusing.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 1:42 pm on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1132

    Colonel Convenient Christian said: “struggling to twist God's word into what he wants it say instead of what it actually says”

    Colonel, that’s not true. I’ve not quoted nor twisted any scripture. I’ve merely counted the number of words God has supposedly used to cover your favorite topic!

    I’ve provided sources and convenient links to backup my points and to share them with those interested in further research.

    You’ve provided nothing except your typical venomous opinion that’s once again, bereft of substance.

    You don’t know scripture, do you???

    I suppose you think heaven is just one large “c-o-c-k-pit in the sky”, huh??

    So in closing, lets me make one thing clear: I’m not pro-homosexual, you’re anti-gay. I’m pro-equality.

    Get it right, old man!!

     
  • Alex Kennedy posted at 12:42 pm on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Alex Posts: 215

    As a very Christian liberal, I found Cathy's comments disgusting. 

    As a first amendment-loving American, I found the actions of the mayors disgusting.

    Government officials should never be allowed to deny the right to do business to an individual or company because they find their beliefs (not actions) detestable. 

    If Chic-fil-A breaks anti-discrimination laws then action can and should be taken. Until then, Chic-fil-A should be able to do business wherever their business is wanted. It's up to consumers to decide its fate not the government's.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 11:14 am on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Nice job of misinformation Mr.Crowder. There was absolutely nothing in Forbes stating that Mr. Cathy was donating to get homosexuality outlawed or homosexuals deported. If you are going to make statements you need to provide a credible source that verifies your claims. Also from Forbes magazine and article which you conveniently didn't include.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/derekbroes/2012/08/01/chic-fil-a-day/

     
  • Robert Jacobs posted at 11:01 am on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Robert Jacobs Posts: 298

    Gosh I'm so shocked that the government would take a stance like this! NOT~!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:51 am on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Actually, Mr. Baumbach, your comments do not "bring truth to light." Your sycophantic obsession of supporting one particular right-wing individual does not add to the discussion. Actually, I had to chuckle when he put you in your place a few days ago. Must have been heartbreaking for you?

    You have the obsessive need to insert yourself into every conversation even when you have no knowledge of it - you might notice that many others in this forum do not comment on every single subject - most likely because they have no expertise, experience, or interest.

    No one wants to infringe on your right to free speech. Go ahead a talk all you like. One cannot tell a narcissist how to curtail his behavior. It in innate.

     
  • Jay Samone posted at 8:44 am on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Jay Samone Posts: 359

    Mr. Huntley - I appreciate your post. I refrained from commenting yesterday because I knew this would turn into a nightmare. There are many of us that feel similar to yourself in that everyone has the right to express themselves. That is afforded to us under the First Amendment (to a certain extent - but that's for another conversation). It bothers me that many people do not see the hypocrisy in their own "free speech". It's ok for THEM to say things that offend, but those who disagree are "bigots", "deny others' rights", "evil", "hateful", etc. They boycott, censor, and "shame" them for disagreeing with their point of view. I have a saying, "Just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD".

    One thing that has always been a burr in my but t is that the majority of the gay community screams from the tops of their lungs about all of the "injustices" they feel have been put upon them. If they don't like something, they rally together and cry "HATE" and "BIGOTRY", many times without proof. It must be so hard to live in a world where they think that EVERYONE is out to get them - so much hate in their own hearts and minds yet they don't see it. They never bother to stop and think that they aren't the only ones that have been discriminated against, they aren't the only ones who have been "hated", they aren't the only ones who have been denied benefits, etc. They aren't alone. MANY of us, regardless of gender, race, and religion have been discriminated against. You know what we do? WE MOVE ON. We learn from it and move on. It's just one of those things that happens throughout our lives that makes us better people - IF - we learn from it. Clearly the LBGT community has not. They would be much better received if they stopped their angry shouting.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 7:27 am on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    This is perhaps the lamest attempt to justify anything from the Bible. Poor Walter is struggling to twist God's word into what he wants it say instead of what it actually says.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:49 am on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    The only posters that has even mentioned the word HATE or HATRED appear to be the pro-homosexual people. Wonder why that is?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:43 am on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Huntley stated... People have forgotten that we do have a right to free speech in this country, and unfortunately, because of the sensitivity levels of certain subjects, these rights become muted, which scares me...

    Eactly... evidence is Ms Bobin's post which stated I should should stay out of the discussion simply because she enjoys distorting reality and does not like it when my free speech brings truth to light.

    Mr Huntley is right... we should have the right to express our minds, along with religious views without fear of the Bobin's of the world attempting to kill it's expression. Even people who do not practice religion like me should be able to talk about religious perspectives.

    Unfortunately, Mr Huntley and others who enjoy free speech have much to fear when Bobin types show their face.


     
  • Kenneth Huntley posted at 11:43 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Ken Huntley Posts: 37

    Simplicity time: If you're gay, you're okay in my book. If you are straight, you are okay in my book, if you are transgendered, you are okay in my book.

    There's a need for some fighting to get rights, yes and people should have rights to express their minds, along with religious views. Gays should have rights, yes that's my simple opinion. Just as the CEO of Chicka Filla has the constitutional rights to express his feelings about gay rights.

    There shouldn't be bashing from both sides, it leads everybody down a dark road. We all know what happens down the dark road, things are said that are not meant to be said, and then devalues the credibility of what people on both sides are fighting for.

    People have forgotten that we do have a right to free speech in this country, and unfortunately, because of the sensitivity levels of certain subjects, these rights become muted, which scares me. Gun laws are becoming strict, phasing out our second Amendment, and unfortunately I think the First Amendment will be next, because people cannot control their tongues (i.e. reactions to someone's opinion/beliefs).

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:19 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Excellent post, Mr. Crowder.

    Since Mr. Baumbach is a self-proclaimed non-religious person, nor a Christian, most likely an individual of Jewish ancestry who has obviously rejected that heritage, he has no reason to praise Mr. Kinderman's position. He should stay out of the discussion.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:07 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Kinderman stated...As I've stated many times before, the responses to this letter prove to me that forums such as this are no place to discuss matters of faith. The risks are far too great when dealing with the souls of human beings to leave to such meanderings of hot-headed mindsets

    Based on the enthusiastic mocking and anti religious posts, Id say Mr kinderman is a wise man.

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 10:37 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    I find it fascinating that every religious faction praises a god who conveniently has all the same prejudices they do. And these gods keep changing their minds in keeping up with popular culture; the Christian god of the bible unequivocally supported slavery until the pew sitters decided it was unspeakably inhumane. Now a majority of gods hate same sex marriage, but that's rapidly changing as the various gods (apparently) and their followers befriend members of the LGBT community, learn scientific facts, and acknowledge their own innate morality.

    Regardless, the king of Chic-fil-A and Pastor Nolton have a right to believe that snakes can talk, an ancient sky god is obsessed with what we do when we are naked, and that a man who wears enchanted underpants would make a great president.

    Freedom of religion does not, however, give anyone the right to abridge the rights of another. Chic-fil-a was described by Forbes magazine as akin to a cult. The company has donated at least $5 million dollars to organizations that want to deport gays and make homosexuality illegal. They have been sued over a dozen times for employment discrimination against both women and gays. There is a line between freedom of religion and the law. It seems reasonable that cities would not welcome this kind of business. These mayors, however, can not prevent Cathy from opening stores in their town based on worries of discrimination. Hopefully the citizens of these cities will chose some other place to buy fast food or fines levied by the legal system make it impossible for Chic-fil-a to continue to do business.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 8:14 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1132

    The Colonel said: "God did a pretty good job of condemning homosexuality"

    Did he really??

    There's 774746 words in the bible.

    Less then 300 or so supposedly dedicated to condemning homosexuality.

    There's probably 10000 words just about food preparation.

    Must of not been very important to God?

    But I imagine those 300 words were important to all those old Hebrew men back in the day!!!

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 7:58 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1132

    Jerome, your funny.

    Silent all day and now you chime in!

    What, you don't want people to become familar with Leviticus and see the hypocrisy first hand?

    [scared]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 7:57 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1132

    "Tis better to keep your mouth shut and be thought the fool than open it and erase all doubt"

    Colonel, interesting sidestep!

    I think you've just proved your own point!!

    But you couldn't find your Bible, could you??

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 7:38 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Never said Christ condemned homosexuality. I said he never condoned it by NOT condemning it. God did a pretty good job of condemning homosexuality, Christ didn't have to. If you are going to respond to my posts, get it right, if you are capable.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 7:27 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Walter, ever heard the adage "Tis better to keep your mouth shut and be thought the fool than open it and erase all doubt"? I think you should adopt that as your guiding phrase and really think about it prior to your posts.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 6:50 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    As I've stated many times before, the responses to this letter prove to me that forums such as this are no place to discuss matters of faith. The risks are far too great when dealing with the souls of human beings to leave to such meanderings of hot-headed mindsets.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:39 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Those of us who patronized Chick-fil-A today (and there were thousands) did so because we understand the 1st ammendment.

    When did you develop an adversion to the 1st ammendment?

    P.S. I said no such thing. What I said was, "Until the president’s recent “evolution,” the Obama administration held the same position on gay marriage as Chick-fil-A." and I said, "Obama was against gay marriage before he was for gay marriage."

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 5:43 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1132

    Colonel, are you another "Convenient Christian" that only goes by the parts they agree with?

    Hmmm....

    According to scripture, you can't eat at Chick-Fil-A anyway!!

    [sad]

     
  • Kurt Roberts posted at 5:38 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Kurt Roberts Posts: 55

    God Bless America, and God Bless Chick-Fil-A!!!! Joanne, I always thought you were a weirdo, like Mr. Schmidt!!! You two should move to San Francisco!!

     
  • Sam Heller posted at 5:07 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Sam Heller Posts: 176

    Walter, I love your posts. [beam]

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:01 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2479

    Andrew, you said that Mr Cathy and President Obama held the same position on the issue of gay rights. Mr Cathy's position is that God will punish America for failing to deprive homosexuals of their basic human rights. That certainly has never been the President's position.

    Thus, while CTCCA prohibits me from referring to any statement of yours, no matter how outlandish, as a "lie", I do have to note that your comment falls far, FAR short of the truth.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 4:51 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I didn't say anything other than the fact that Obama was against gay marriage before he was for gay marriage. Hardly a "lie."

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 4:46 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Chick-fil-A reminds us once again that when it comes to rights, many Americans get it wrong.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 4:28 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Oh no, say it ain't so....So much for Ms. Bobin's stereotyping Mr. Cathy. Can you say "BIGOT". Shame on you Mrs. Bobin.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:22 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1132

    The full text:

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Bible/Leviticus.html

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:14 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1132

    I believe "hating in the name of God" is disgusting. [thumbup]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:10 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1132

    "Believing that Christ condemned homosexuality by failing to condemn it, is absurd."

    Colonel, your behavior over the last couple of weeks, at times, has hardly been Christian like. But who am I to cast stones? [wink]

    But seriously...

    Please go read Leviticus in the Old Testament, report back and share with the group, what you find. Your interpretation from your Christian perspective. Lets hear about all of the "rules and regulations" that these old Hebrew men had thousands of years ago.

    You'll also find those two sentences that are commonly understood to condemn homosexuality too.

    Question: Are we to believe and follow just a couple sentences but omit the rest of the scripture?? Isn't that what modern Christian society has done?

    PS. If you don't know your scripture or can't find your Bible:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Leviticus

     
  • Sam Heller posted at 4:06 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Sam Heller Posts: 176

    Joanne, I do have to say that Mr. Cathy DOES employ gays and in states where gay unions are recognized he does supply the partner with benefits. I do not agree with his beliefs but I do believe he has a right to them.

    Once I heard that he respects his gay employees I was impressed.

    I am sad that "Support Chick-fil-A Day" turned into anti-gay day... but it is the political season and hatred is out and about all over our country. I believe "hating in the name of God" is disgusting.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:17 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The 1st ammendment applies to religion as well as speech Ms. Bobin.

    [sleeping]

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 3:13 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Ms. Bobin, first you ridicule the Bible and religion then you say you believe in Christ and are a religious person? Another "Convenient Christian" that only goes by the parts they agree with? It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 3:05 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Believing that Christ condones homosexuality by omission of condemning it is absurd. Christ did not condemn bestiality, pedophilia or incest so according to that logic these are acceptable practices as well? Either you believe in God and God's word or you don't, as simple as that. As for me, like Mr. Cathy, I choose to believe. What really irks me is the very people who scream free speech when advocating tolerance for homosexuality are the very ones scream loudest against someone elses free speech when speaking out against it. Does the adage "practice what you preach" come to mind?

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 2:57 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2479

    Really Andy? When did Barack Obama ever say that God would punish America for tolerating gays?

    Now, you know I am prohibited by your friends on the LNS Commission for Truth that Complies with the Conservative Agenda (CTCCA) from referring to anything you say as a "lie" but I think you are skating perilously close to untruth here.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:43 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    How do you know? A man who makes a public statement such as did Mr. Cathy, could very easily discriminate.

    Your faith in his "integrity" for US law is not deserved. He seems only to be driven by HIS faith.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 2:42 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Good to know some people admit to not believing in God.

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 2:25 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    John Kindseth Posts: 243

    ms bobbin, there is no proof of that happening.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 2:23 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2479

    People who pervert Christ's message of LOVE to promote a perverse agenda of hatred and bigotry are EVIL regardless of their political agenda. There are a fair number of otherwise liberal pastors who share Mr Nolan's apostasy and their souls are just as syphilitic as his or Mr Cathy's.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:02 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Roberts, no one said that "all conservatives are evil and deserve to be taken out and shot."

    Those are your words. There are conservatives who are not Christians. That is how narrow-minded you appear to be. Do you really believe that ALL conservatives claim Christianity as their faith? There are conservative Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, etc. Their faiths are the very definitions of "conservative."

    I'm surprised at your comments. You always appeared to be a well-rounded individual at the dog park. Hope Lacy is well and happy.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:54 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Unless you were there and can say with the utmost certainty that God wrote anything that is in the Bible, then you cannot attest to God's thoughts, wishes, desires, or anything else.

    The Bible (Old Testament) was written by man (as in MEN) who simply gave their interpretations of the world in which they lived. The Bible is no more than stories and myth, no more than Roman or Greek mythology, which ignorant people used to explain why or what or how they arrived on this planet. A document that has been used to control people, to reek havoc upon non-believers and believers of different gods.

    I do believe, as Mr. Schmidt stated, that Jesus Christ came to Earth to deliver a New Covenant of love and acceptance of all human beings, to correct the corruption that the writers of the Old Testament got wrong.

    It is a shame that those who proclaim themselves as Christians do not live the creed that Jesus set forth. Rather, they promote hate.

    Mr. Kindseth - do you really think, as your post implies, that Chick-fil-A actually hires LGBT people? If Cathy is against gay marriage, it is most certain that he would not hire gays in his restaurants. That is why he does not sell franchises and maintains complete control over every single restaurant.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 1:18 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    It is apparent that Mr. Cathy believes in God and God's word.The Biblical definition of marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN. People who dismiss God's condemnation of homosexuality and advocate gay lifestyle including gay marriage apparently don't believe in God or hold God's word as truth. I have never heard any true "Christians" deny the fact that God spoke out condemning homosexuality. God said it, I believe it, end of argument.

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 10:49 am on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    John Kindseth Posts: 243

    The main point is sadly missed by the strident activists:

    Mr Cathy was expressing his PERSONAL opinion on marriage. Not company nor corporate policy, nor did it have anything to do with hiring, terms of employment, service or anything else.

     
  • Kurt Roberts posted at 10:35 am on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Kurt Roberts Posts: 55

    Ya Steve , we get it.. all conservatives are evil and deserve to be taken out and shot> Very compassionate of you!! Very open minded!!!

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 10:27 am on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2479

    As for "phony Christians" I challenge you to show me one place in the Bible where Jesus Christ condemns homosexuality. Christ brought us a NEW COVENANT and a message of LOVE.

    The real phony Christians are the ones who spray hate in Christ's name. They will surely find their reward in the next world if not this one.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 10:25 am on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2479

    He has his right to express his hate and decent people have their right not to buy the food he sells.

    For me, the bigotry is almost secondary. I ate in a Chickafilla in Texas a few years ago and I will never make that mistake again even if Cathy sells it to Ghandi.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 9:52 am on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Obama was against gay marriage before he was for gay marriage before he was against gay marriage before he was for gay marriage. No Chick-Fil-A here in Alaska or I would make it a point eat there to show support of Mr. Cathy's Constitutional rights of free speech.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:34 am on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I find it extremely interesting that Pastor Nolton, who, on July 14th, wrote a letter in the Religion section of the paper in which he proclaimed that Mormons were not Christians. His point was, that even though Mitt Romney is a Mormon, we should not hold that against him as a politician, even though he will one day rot in h....ll for his beliefs.

    Now, because a Christian fundamentalist is under attack for HIS beliefs about "traditional" marriage, we should condemn those who speak against him (Cathy).

    The same free speech that allowed Pastor Nolton to condemn an entire religion is the same free speech that allows the mayors of Boston, Chicago, and San Francisco to express their beliefs also.

    You can't have it both ways, Pastor. But then again, hypocrisy and intolerance are the hallmarks of fundamentalists. Witness the havoc religious fanatics have wreaked across the centuries.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:22 am on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Until the president’s recent “evolution,” the Obama administration held the same position on gay marriage as Chick-fil-A.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 9:14 am on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Freedom of speech apparently is reserved for advocates of gay agenda? Mr. Cathy has every right to his opinions and every right to vocalize those opinions. How disgusting to see phony Christians conveniently dismiss God's condemnation of homosexuality to justify their lifestyle.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 8:54 am on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2479

    How disgusting to see a man who like Frank Nolan who represents himself as a pastor twisting Christ's message of Love into a hateful screed of bigotry and prejudice.

    Sometimes I wonder whether God has sent us men like Mr Nolan and Mr Cathy simply to put a face on Evil (with a capitol "E").

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 8:48 am on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2479

    Does anyone remember when the social fascists organized a boycott of ABC's sponsors just because Thirtysomething had the audacity to show two men sleeping in the same bed?

    HYPOCRISY, it is what defines conservatives, both as a movement and as individuals.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:44 am on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    When you attack the freedom of speech of one group of Americans, you attack the freedom of speech of every American.

    You cannot claim that one part of the Bible is absolute and ignore the others you don’t like. If you’re going to use your religion to deny an entire group of people their rights as citizens of the United States, you had better be ready to follow every stricture in the Scripture.

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/557066_4295240457527_757005510_n.jpg

     
  • Kurt Roberts posted at 8:29 am on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Kurt Roberts Posts: 55

    8430 Bond Rd,. It`s Chick-Fil-An Appreciation Day!!! See you there!!![beam][beam][beam]

     
  • Kurt Roberts posted at 7:51 am on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.

    Kurt Roberts Posts: 55

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=420133971366181&set=a.145136705532577.25873.142868065759441&type=1&ref=nf

     

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