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Letter: ‘Hope and change’ will arrive for some Americans in January 2014

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Posted: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:00 am

Thanks to President Obama, hope and change have arrived. In January 2014, many Californians will be able to take advantage of the people who pay taxes and enroll in the California Insurance exchange to obtain health insurance. Kaiser, Blue Cross and Blue Shield will be among the insurers to select from. It is good news for some.

For example, there will be Medi-Cal, which is free for those who qualify, including people with disabilities and those with incomes of less than $15,000 for a single individual and $31,180 for a family of four.

Another example: A family of four with household income of $50,000 can get a Kaiser plan for $633 per month with the taxpayers paying all but $294 per month.

If you make over $90,000 per household, you are on your own financially, but can enroll.

As a result of these great benefits, there are many employers who have fewer than 50 employees who will soon cancel their employer-based benefits so employees can take advantage of the taxpayers’ money (that is) available. These employers face no penalties for doing so.

Darrell Baumbach

Acampo

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63 comments:

  • John Lucas posted at 8:39 am on Wed, Sep 18, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    As a Conservative I understand your difficulty in recognizing sarcasm or dealing with nuance. I will make it as simple as possible for you. Syria used chemical weapons. Syria decides to give up his chemical weapons. Barrack Hussein Obama is President. Deal with it.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:02 am on Wed, Sep 18, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1905

    SARCASM? I think not, you got caught contracting yourself and like all liberals, you are trying to weasel out of an ignorant claim you made in an earlier post. Taking lessons from Obama? Liberals try so hard to give Obama credit for everything that turns out for the better but NEVER blame him for things that turn out bad. Obama had absolutely nothing to do with negotiating the surrender of the chemical weapons. He was forced not to attack Syria and had to go along with the negotiations, after the fact. Had he been left to his own decision, we would be in another quagmire in the Middle East. This from a man who won the Nobel Peace prize?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:34 am on Wed, Sep 18, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    This post:

    The leader of the Russian, Putin, was so angry and displeased with Obama that he convinced his all Syria to give up his chemical weapons.

    is called sarcasm. It is a reply to your idea that Putin was intimidating Obama into inaction over the Syrian issue. It is obvious it was the other way around.He did what Obama wanted him to do.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:21 am on Wed, Sep 18, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    That you are confused is neither unusual and is obvious. Yes I think Obama and Putin worked out a deal. Yes I think part of that deal was for Putin to get his ally Syria to give up his chemical weapons. The two are not mutually exclusive and looking at what happened is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer unless, of course, that observer is a Conservative.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:50 am on Wed, Sep 18, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1905

    Mr. Lucas posted: "The leader of the Russian, Putin, was so angry and displeased with Obama that he convinced his all Syria to give up his chemical weapons."
    I am confused John, in another post you gave Obama credit working a deal with Putin to have Syria surrender their chemical weapons, now you say Putin did it. So, which is it? Do you ever think before you post?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:02 am on Wed, Sep 18, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [offtopic]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:01 am on Wed, Sep 18, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [offtopic]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:01 am on Wed, Sep 18, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [offtopic]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:59 am on Wed, Sep 18, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    We should be so lucky!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:58 am on Wed, Sep 18, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [offtopic]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:58 am on Wed, Sep 18, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [offtopic]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:58 am on Wed, Sep 18, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [offtopic]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:02 am on Wed, Sep 18, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mr. "Obama giving weapons to Al Qaeda there is no real proof of that",
    Turn off the cognitive dissonance.  It's absolutely ridiculous.
    Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., and Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., both endorsed providing military assistance to AQueda during an appearance on CBS' "Face the Nation" last Sunday.
    The president, citing his authority under the Arms Export Control Act, announced that he would “waive the prohibitions in sections 40 and 40A of the Arms Control Export Act" TODAY!  
    What more "proof" could one possibly ask for?  

    The President IS and has been funding AlQueda Mr. Lucas!
    [sleeping]

    A FACT Reuters reported last August by the way... 
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/02/us-usa-syria-obama-order-idUSBRE8701OK20120802

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:58 pm on Tue, Sep 17, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999


    Mr. "Obama giving weapons to Al Qaeda there is no real proof of that",

    Turn off the cognitive dissonance.  It's absolutely ridiculous.

    Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., and Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., both endorsed providing military assistance to AQueda during an appearance on CBS' "Face the Nation" last Sunday.

    The president, citing his authority under the Arms Export Control Act, announced that he would “waive the prohibitions in sections 40 and 40A of the Arms Control Export Act" TODAY!  

    What more "proof" could one possibly ask for?  

    The President IS and has been funding AlQueda Mr. Lucas!

    A FACT Reuters reported last August by the way... [sleeping]

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/02/us-usa-syria-obama-order-idUSBRE8701OK20120802

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:51 pm on Tue, Sep 17, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Your post was so delusional and patently absurd that I was not going to bother answering but I will attempt to penetrate your amazingly analytical and lucid mass of grey matter.

    The crisis was caused by Syria using chemical weapons. After a series of maneuvers the Syrians agree to give up their chemical weapons. What better result could have happened? None, 0, Nada. If you think there is one please enlighten us with your superior logic and mental capabilities.

    As to this:

    You know that Obama would have sent cruise missiles into Syria had it not been for national and international uproar. China,Russia and Iran were at the ready if King Obama had acted without due process.

    The leader of the Russian, Putin, was so angry and displeased with Obama that he convinced his all Syria to give up his chemical weapons.

    I have only one question. Do you do any thinking before you type your posts?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:02 pm on Tue, Sep 17, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You are simply amazing.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:53 pm on Tue, Sep 17, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1905

    What a load of hogwash. As the old sayng goes, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. You know that Obama would have sent cruise missiles into Syria had it not been for national and international uproar. China,Russia and Iran were at the ready if King Obama had acted without due process. Even then, it is not America's job to police the world. When, not if, he is stupid enough attack Syria without Congress approval, it will be the end of his presidency. Americans are finally getting fed up with his "do as I demand" leadership and he will eventually pay the price for his arrogance. So your claim that a Democratic president would wait is hogwash, as demonstrated by his decision to attack Libya without approval from Congress.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:00 pm on Tue, Sep 17, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    All members of congress got the same trumped BS intelligence that Dick Cheney created. Saddam allowed weapons inspectors in and they could find nothing. He kicked the inspectors out and attacked anyway. The Iraq war was sold because of Saddam's alleged possession of WMD's. Bush actions prove for them it was not about WMD's. If there was a Liberal president in charge he would have let the inspectors do their job and there would not have been any war. I think even a Conservative could see that.

    As to Obama giving weapons to Al Qaeda there is no real proof of that. Obama is just not that stupid. The fact is though that ronald Reagan and George H Bush most certainly did arm Al Qaeda as well as supply Saddam with chemical weapons.

    To give Al Qaeda weapons is surely treason so as Joanne so brilliantly suggests why do you not arrest the President?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:15 pm on Tue, Sep 17, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The difference is hardly "subtle" and there were just as many Dems as there were Republicans claiming WMD's. ROFLMAO![lol] Did Bush arm AlQueda Mr. Lucas?[sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:33 pm on Tue, Sep 17, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    There is a subtle difference between Conservative and Liberal leadership. George Bush wanted to get the non existent WMD's out of Iraq. Donald Rumsfeld said he knew where the non existent WMD"s were. The inspectors on the ground let it by Saddam because of the threat of force pleaded with the Rumsfeld for his answers. Bush kicked out the inspectors and attacked anyway. A couple of trillion dollars and hundreds of thousands of deaths chaos still reigns.
    Obama threatens force, meets with Putin a week before Putin figures out a way to get rid of the WMD's( coincidence, I guess) and now the WMDs will be gone with no deaths and very little treasure spent.
    The difference is that a Conservative has be the macho man and shove his opponent's face in the dirt. A liberal sees something needs to be done and concentrates on how to most effectively get the desired out come. In this case the difference was only a couple of trillion dollars and much loss of life. If a Conservative had pulled off what Obama did you would be singing his praises. Sadly, Conservative are neither intellectually smart enough and especially emotionally smart enough to pull it off.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 1:27 pm on Tue, Sep 17, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1905

    John Lucas posted, regarding the Syrian situation: "what Putin and the President cooked up is brilliant " Ahh, yes, a liberal giving Obama credit for something he didn't do. Putin and the rest of the world that was against American agression in Syria devised the plan, Obama was forced to go along or appear the war monger and face American and world condemnation. I have no doubts that Obama will still give the order to bomb Syria as he desparately wants Assad gone so his MB pals can take over. Worked so well in Egypt, eh? Wonder if another nation should send cruise missiles to America because we allow 800,000 babies to be murdered each year.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:30 am on Tue, Sep 17, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Disturbingly pathetic. Have you seen this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP_izYhdehY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:01 am on Tue, Sep 17, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1905

    Interesting, apparently Americans are starting to figure out they have been hoodwinked.
    Pew Survey: 53% of Americans Disapprove of Obamacare, Highest Negative Since Law’s Passage
    Pretty much leaves the 47% Romney referred to that are on the government dole and expect/demand everything they Obama promised them.
    There used to be a little bit of embarassment attached to collecting something for nothing unless you were physically or mentally impaired. Now it seems liberals/democratic voters pride themselves by how much they can get hardworking taxpayers to provide so they don't have to. Simply pathetic.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 6:37 pm on Mon, Sep 16, 2013.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2610

    I thought ol DB had renounced his US citizenship and fled to Thailand. Is he back?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:28 pm on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Joe Baxter said.
    Little or no blood or treasure? Why don't you explain to the dead American military and American civilian's family there was"no blood". No Treasure? Do you actually think taxpayers aren't financing the wars in the Middle East? You really need to turn off the liberal buffoon shows and educate yourself in reality, you truly live in a fantasy world

    In comparison to what we spent in Iraq what we have spent in Syria, Libya and Egypt is negligible. There are always going to be incidents where terrible things happen such as in Benghazi but there is no comparison to Iraq and Afghanistan. The Syrian thing will take care of itself and what Putin and the President cooked up is brilliant. The only thing I worry about is Iran. Under no circumstances can they be allowed to have nukes. Mullahs + Nukes is something I do not want to contemplate.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:05 pm on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1905

    Do you truly believe I am the only one that is callying Obama a liar? Oh my, Mr. Lucas, you need to expand your horizons beyond Chris Matthews,et al. Google "Obama lies" and treat yourself to a dose of reality. Pick the sites that are not obviously skewed by conservatives so you can't claim bias.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:41 pm on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1905

    John, I totally agree. We should pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq tomorrow. I can just imagine what liberal reactions would be if a Republican president was offering up attacking Syria. You do know that Saudi Arabia is goading the U.S. into this war so the pipeline that Syria has refused to let pass through their country can be built. You remember the Saudi king, the one Obama bowed to right after he was elected the first time. Since when is it America's resposibility to expedite a foreign countries agenda?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:37 pm on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1905

    Little or no blood or treasure? Why don't you explain to the dead American military and American civilian's family there was"no blood". No Treasure? Do you actually think taxpayers aren't financing the wars in the Middle East? You really need to turn off the liberal buffoon shows and educate yourself in reality, you truly live in a fantasy world.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:16 am on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The Obama administration did not respond directly to questions about the potential fallout from cancellation notices. You have apparently decided to do the same.

    Meanwhile...policies ARE being cancelled and the individuals these cancellations effect AREN'T keeping their policies as President Pinnocchio claimed they could.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:10 am on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The Obama administration did not respond directly to questions about the potential fallout from cancellation notices. You have apparently decided to do the same.

    Meanwhile...policies ARE being cancelled and the individuals affected by these cancellations AREN'T keeping their policies as President Pinnocchio claimed they could.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:57 am on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The Obama administration is manipulating intelligence about Syria in exactly the same ways that the Bush administration did to justify the Iraq war Mr. Lucas.  

    "As a candidate for president, I pledged to bring the war in Iraq to a responsible end. I made it clear that by August 31, 2010, America’s combat mission in Iraq would end. And that is exactly what we are doing — as promised and on schedule,” President Obama stated.

    Believing this fiction involves ignoring the fact that 50,000 troops+,  as well as countless contractors, remain in Iraq as I type. In addition, it would involve forgetting about Barack Obama’s campaign promises to bring troops home starting “day one” of his administration, or his other promise to bring them home by the end of 2009.

    The establishment never intended to pull the troops out of Iraq Mr. Lucas. They didn’t build permanent bases and a whopping embassy there for nothing!
    [sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:27 am on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I happen to disagree with our policy there. We should have left long ago

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:25 am on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    The President is not a liar just because you say he is. He said if you want to keep your current health plan you can. He is not taken it away from you. Again you are making a mountain out of a molehill.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:21 am on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [smile] Ah Joe, you prove my point. Look at all the revolutions that have taken place in history including ours with Articles of Confederation period. They all have periods, some longer than others, of instability and chaos. This to be expected unless you are a Republican Conservative with no sense of history. The difference is in the Liberal model in the countries you mentioned they are going through this period with us spending little or no blood and treasure. On the other hand in the grand Republican Conservative model and adventure in Iraq cost at least a couple of trillion dollars and much blood and is still going through the chaos period. Which Ideology is the stupid one?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:17 am on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1905

    So, Mr. Lucas, you are tickled that our current president is a compulsive liar and will say anything to expedite his own agenda, American citizens be damned. Wnen there are more "takers" than "payers", who is going to support the losers then?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 7:29 am on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1905

    I agree that you can't fix stupid. The last two presidential elections proves that beyond a shadow of doubt. Foreign policies? Really? I guess Libya and Egypt and soon to be Syria are shining examples of our current administrations stellar policies? Liberals are like gamblers, only remember their wins, never their losses.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:43 am on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Remember how Obama said if you liked your healthcare plan you could keep your healthcare plan? Start watching your mail because within the next few months ObamaCare is going to start automatically canceling private healthcare policies – whether you like it or not.

    What Obama really meant to say was – you can keep your own individual healthcare policy as long as it meets my approval. And under Obamacare, if your policy doesn’t meet my federal requirements you’re not going to have any say in the matter – your insurer will automatically cancel your policy.

    The Obama administration did not respond directly to questions about the potential fallout from cancellation notices Mr. Lucas. Instead, Health and Human Services spokeswoman Joanne Peters released a prepared statement saying: "Beginning in October, individuals and small businesses will be able to shop for insurance in the marketplace, where we are already seeing that increased competition and transparency are leading to a range of options for quality, affordable plans." 

    What happened to "if you like your healthcare plan you can keep your healthcare plan" Mr. Lucas?
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:19 am on Sun, Sep 15, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    73% of the casualties in the Afghan War have happened on Barack Obama’s watch.
    [sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:29 pm on Sat, Sep 14, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Conservative economic policies have always been spectacular failures. See 1928 and 2008. Their foreign policy insanities such a Iraq, the handling of Afghanistan etc have show them to be almost that incompetent in that area. It is not the laying of blame that is the problem but the policies themselves that is the problem. You cannot fix stupid

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:21 pm on Sat, Sep 14, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You and Mr Liebich share some of the same argument techniques. The discussion was about whether Obamacare is a good or a bad thing. Whether The President is a liar has nothing to with that. Please try to stay on point and not fly off on some tangent.

    PS. Keep up the good work. I really mean it when I say your posts do more for the Liberal cause than anyone else on these forums. Good job.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:36 pm on Sat, Sep 14, 2013.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1905

    Wonder if they will dedicate it to Obama and the Democrats when they are layed off or hours cut because employers can't afford them? Naw, I am sure the lying liberals will figure out how to blame it on conservatives. They specialize in laying blame for everything bad and claiming credit for everything good.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:34 pm on Sat, Sep 14, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Joe, you do more for the Liberal cause than any poster here. You are perfect and we thank you.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:44 pm on Sat, Sep 14, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    This is what Margaret Thatcher said about the England's NHS which is the socialist model for healthcare.

    I believed that the NHS was a service of which we could genuinely be proud. It delivered a high quality of care — especially when it came to acute illnesses — and at a reasonably modest unit cost, at least compared with some insurance-based systems.”

    Interesting heh?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:35 pm on Sat, Sep 14, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [smile] The millions of others will dedicate it to Obama and the Democratic Party

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:32 pm on Sat, Sep 14, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I have to admit there are going to be millions more happy with it before it is all over. The real simpletons are the ones who believe it is not here to stay. The absolute morons are those who do not understand that it much, much better than we had before.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 10:06 am on Sat, Sep 14, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1171

    Darrell, duty calls.

    The lefties have the run of the place.

    Unemployment is down. Home values are up. Marriage equality is a fact. Taxes and gas prices are flat. Portfolios are fat. And now, affordable health care is here!

    Darrell, nothing the Archconservative/Retrogressive "Christian" bloggers predict ever happens, why??

    I think more "Special Truth" must be articulated (think: fear mongering).

    You have work to do!

    So just bite the bullet and come on back. You know you want to!!

    Darrell, put a smile on Jerry's face!!!

    [beam]

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 6:20 am on Sat, Sep 14, 2013.

    advocate Posts: 502

    Insurance peddlers' profit margins will be shrinking.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:19 pm on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I am not but I'll forward your Jewish terrorism link. He'll get a kick out of it.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:13 pm on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    UnitedHealth and Anthem Blue Cross disagree.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:04 pm on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Good for you, Ed.

    They say that Kaiser patients either love it or hate it. Glad to know you are of the first opinion.

    I just warned my husband, who is now eligible for VA medical due to AO disability, what my brother used to say (he was a US Army Medic in Vietnam) - Quote: "You know SOMEONE had to get "C's" in medical school and the chances are they now work for the Army or the VA." Beware!

    Although he (my husband) has coverage up the ying-yang, I'm looking forward to getting Obamacare coverage.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 2:17 pm on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 616

    Joanne: Thanks for the heads up concerning the VA. While it might not cost me anything, money isn`t everything. I have heard from vets that the VA hospital in Livermore could use some inprovement, perhaps alot of inprovement. I sent a letter to Mike Klock of the Record describing a better way ( at least I thought it was ) by issuing a plasting card, similar to the one Kaiser patients use and allowing a vet to receive treatment at a hospital nearest his residence, and let the hospital bill the VA, sounds to good to be true, most likely is. And therefore that hundred million dollar hospital built in Livermore or French Camp, will not be needed. Klock printed my entire suggestion in the Record a month or so ago. I signed off as "the old welder"

    Though it costs money I am totally satisfied with Kaiser, I have been with them for over 50 years and its to late in the game to change now. I have been going there since the medical offices on West Lane opened and Sac before West Lane was build, most everyone that worked there then is still there, being the `ol f--- I am, I always ask if they like their jobs, 99% say yes and will stay there until they retire, since Kaiser is everywhere and employees can advance or move. Not stuck in a private doctors office with no advancement, just alot of paper work, and putting up with old crabby patients. Hey ---- not me[smile]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:23 pm on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Ed, I'm shocked that, as a retired Marine, you are not covered by the VA. What's up with that?

    Shouldn't cost you a penny!

    You earned it, after all.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 12:45 pm on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 616

    Hello Joanne: For a change it would seem we are on the same page. You say you chose Blue Shield plan, at least we will be able to chose the plan we prefer. I suppose that paying only $104.00 a month will make you happy. The payment for this and other plans might vary, I am not with Blue Shield rather with Kaiser, which I consider a wonder plan. Because it vaires with plans, I pay a $10 co-pay to see my doctor, plus Meds, thats it. For all other services I pay nothing, and there is no need to see an insurance company to approve X-rays to operations. Back to your paying $104 a month with the "taxpayer" picking up the balance of $819, from what I read the staggering price will be something like $245,703.00 and that is an average of 3,000,000 people in the state seeing a doctor on a monthly basis, maybe less and the rate will go down. At that rate, the taxpayer will join I`m broke and can`t get up plan. At least Medi Care will be left untouched. Back to Kaiser, a small blue card will get you all the care you can ask for, although the price will vary with the plan you have. [beam]

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 9:59 am on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 555

    way to go mike adams! http://www.naturalnews.com/041101_obamacare_train_wreck_employer_mandates.html

    or... my favorite from the "The Jewish Mafia rules the World" website, their words not mine http://www.jewishterrorism.com/train-wreck-obamacare-begins-to-unravel-massive-government-boondoggle-set-to-self-destruct-by-2015/

    oh, wait you're not mike adams, are you?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:40 am on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Try to think about for a second Andrew. If the Republicans thought that Obamacare was going to be a disaster they would not her trying so hard to stop it. If it was going to be a disaster they would just sit back and reap the political benefits. The fact is that it is going to work they know they have to do everything in their power to stop it. Their problem is that they know it will work.. I am going to remind you of this in a year or so just like I remind all my conservative friends of me telling them that Iraq was going to be a disaster back in 2003. The conservative3 media is not 100% wrong. they get it right about 5% of the time and this is not one of them.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:42 am on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Obamacare’s socialist-inspired health care utopia is turning out to be a total nightmare.  Described as a “train wreck” by one of its original authors (Sen. Baucus), and called a “fiasco for the ages” by the Wall Street Journal, Obamacare is a massive government boondoggle that’s headed for complete disaster.

    In a desperate effort to get out of the way of that oncoming train, insurance companies are scrambling to flee the market entirely. America’s largest health insurer, UnitedHealth, has already announced it’s closing shop in California.
    [sleeping]

     Anthem Blue Cross, has announced it will shun California’s small-business health insurance market as well.  Anthem, a unit of WellPoint Inc., is California’s largest insurer for small employers.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 6:38 am on Fri, Sep 13, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 555

    but... but... it's... uh... socialism ... er... or something. ack

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:08 pm on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Good information, Mr. Lucas. I had forgotten about the debate question when the audience cheered for the death of the "theoretical" patient who couldn't afford treatment.

    Apparently, that's the Republican alternative to Obamacare - just kill off the parasites (or the 47% as Mitt Romney called them) who wouldn't vote for Republicans anyway, and kill two birds with one stone - get rid of "deadbeats" and get rid of those who wouldn't vote Republican.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:48 pm on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Wow! I just got on the website and played around with it putting different family sizes and singles. No wonder they are fighting this so hard. Once people get health insurance they can afford there is no going back. To be against this once it is implemented and people realize what it is will be political suicide.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:08 pm on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I'm really wondering what the reasoning behind "many employers who have fewer than 50 employees who will soon cancel their employer-based benefits so employees can take advantage of the taxpayers’ money (that is) available."

    Why in the world would any employer, who can deduct the cost of employee health plans (the portion the employer "pays," not the full premium) on their tax returns, i.e., a tax benefit, would drop their group employer plan? They'd end up paying a higher tax rate and subsidizing their employees under Obamacare ANYWAY!!

    Just plain fear mongering.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 1:07 pm on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 555

    in the immortal words of a great friend, "Dang!"[thumbup]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:03 pm on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    This is great information. I had already checked the "Covered California" website (www.coveredca.com) a few days ago in anticipation of the October kick-off.

    It has a great "calculator" that is easy to use so anyone can enter their household income (Modified AGI from their tax return), number of people to be covered and zip code and - Bob's your uncle! - you get health plans and rates to choose from, details about deductibles, co-pays, etc.

    The one I chose was the Blue Shield "silver" plan - hope Mr. Baumbach doesn't choke, but I'll only have to pay $104/month and the "taxpayer" (ME) gets to pick up the balance of $819!!!

    Since I work and pay taxes I DO feel entitled!! Of course, much like Mitt Romney, I don't pay any more tax than the law allows.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:14 am on Thu, Sep 12, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Mr Baumbach likes to do some math so lets give it a try.

    We spend 17.5% of our GDP on healthcare. Lets take all the 35 or so countries that rate higher in medical outcomes who also have universal coverage and live longer than we do. Most of the other countries come in around 12% and some as low as 8%. Our GDP was over 16 trillion dollars in 2012. If we managed to come in at the 12% rate we would spend over 880 billion dollars less per year every year on healthcare.

    It was always puzzling why the average Republican would not see the obvious. The 35 or so countries rated above us in medical outcomes not only do it better but do it cheaper. These countries have universal coverage and no one is suffering, or dying needlessly due to lack of care and no one is going broke or needlessly declaring bankruptcy from medical bills.We could pick any of their systems and we would come far out ahead. This is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer. Why do Republicans hate this?

    The answer comes from a Republican debate in the last Presidential election. The Republican audience cheered when it was suggested that if you do not have health insurance you should be turned away from an emergency room. The Republicans believe in the freedom to feel morally superior to those who are less fortunate than they are. To think this “Freedom” only costs us 880 billion extra dollars every year in health care costs. It It is a small cost for the pleasure of watching our neighbors suffer and die needlessly while getting to go bankrupt at the same time. Jesus would be so proud

     

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