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Posted: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:11 am, Tue May 1, 2012.

Isn't it time we eliminate the category of minorities? We are a nation of immigrants. The one exception is the American Indian. The Democrats who are long on spending your money and short on ideas love to put us in categories. Why? So they can divide us; united we win, divided they win.

Democrats would have you believe "profit" and "rich" are dirty words. There are many millionaire-billionaire Democrats. Look to the Congress that demonizes success.

When Democrats don't like something, say guns, they want them outlawed. When Republicans don't like guns, they just don't buy one. Even in the most liberal place on earth — San Francisco — they tried to outlaw Happy Meals. As a parent, you can decide if your kid gets a Happy Meal or not. If you are a liberal Democrat, are you unable to make that decision? Are you so weak-minded that you need a Happy Meal outlawed?

Martin Luther King Jr. said he hoped one day his four children would not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. Maybe we need to rewind our country and revisit the values that made us great.

As Ronald Reagan said, "If we forget we are one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under."

Dennis Vetica

Lodi

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45 comments:

  • Patrick W Maple posted at 2:17 pm on Sat, May 5, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mreb: Thanks for taking off your hat. I would just say "a truly educated palate can taste ALL of the flavors and appreciate and enjoy them." When moving to another country you move there to become part of that country...that does not forbid you from bringing and celebrating your culture...but if you moved here the question arises: WHY?

    If you live here, be here...not over there. One loyalty must over rule the other...try going there and be here...it does not work.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 12:58 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1449

    My hate hat now that's the pot calling the kettle black If you would re-read my post you might understand that I was supporting you comments about enjoying the similarities but I was not in agreement of you need to homogenize the culture of others. Unless I misunderstand and you support immigrants keeping their own language, festivals and flags on their houses of worship.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:31 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    Droves? So why are we spending millions to patrol the border, hiding in the desert at night, hoping to scoop up an illegal border crosser or two?

    Maybe we should just have border agents standing at emergency room entrances. Sounds like a much easier and less dangerous method to me.

    Mr. Docktor wrote: "Whites don't go to the emergency room at the drop of the hat."

    I've written this before - I used to administer a self-funded health plan at a local (Lodi) manufacturing company. Eventually, the company switched to a plan that had to pre-approve emergency room visits for employees and their dependents.

    The abusers that caused the changed? - white employees whose wives had no transportation during the day to take their kids to the doctor for routine colds and sore throats and thought nothing of heading to the emergency room after hours when hubby got home with the car.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:21 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    Wow...is that what I said?

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 5:34 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mrb: Read my post again. Take off your hate hat first.

    "a melting pot for all...not hundreds of small pots who look at the other pots with disdain instead of curiosity. I prefer to find the similarities not the differences."

    curiosity: Inquisitiveness, interest, marvel, wonder...you can do or be none of these if the culture is not present.

    prefer: favor, like better, desire, choose...

    similarities: matches, relationships, resemblances, comparisons and the big word...connections...

    "all we end up with is a foul tasting homogenous soup": You must not have traveled much...most countries have little pots everywhere...a truly educated palate can taste ALL of the flavors and appreciate and enjoy them.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 4:38 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1449

    Although I think Mr. Maple is being positive about other cultures and I applaud him for that (correct me if I'm wrong). A melting pot sucks all we end up with is a foul tasting homogenous soup I have heard the U.S. referred to as a tossed salad, much better idea different flavors and textures working together to form a much more exciting meal. Are we so insecure a nation that we feel threatened by unfamiliar cultures? My Mother is a third generation immigrant whose Grandfather and Father felt like they had to leave their culture behind and become Americans. their culture, language, important festivals, and customs were never apart of our lives. Luckily the women my Mother, Grandmother and Great Grandmother kept the cuisine alive.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:08 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    "if we eliminate the pecking order somehow things will be much better. The utopian mindset."
    the above was a comment by Brian.
    as to:

    THAT is exactly what the GDR attempted. Are you close enough to msb to give her a hand with her "critical thinking"?

    No, but maybe I can help you. Just what policy did FDR (I assume that is who you meant) implement that was an attempt to "eliminate the pecking order" as Brian put it.

    Pat, what you did was put out a thesis with no facts or argument. You did not name a policy or an action by FDR which supported your thesis. They have two words for what you presented in critical thinking. It is called "HOT AIR"

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 9:16 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    msb: "Happy Meals? Really, Mr. Vetica, is that the best example you could come up with to illustrate how unjust liberals are?"

    The statement goes to the pettiness of the left in their quest to control everything.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 9:09 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Brian: "The American Indians originally immigrated from Asia thousands of years ago." Very good...and historically correct. My tribe has many of the same belief system and social system as the Mongolian tribes. Good job.

    "I don't believe we should eliminate the minority category,"...I do and let me tell you why. We are supposed to be a country...a melting pot for all...not hundreds of small pots who look at the other pots with disdain instead of curiosity. I prefer to find the similarities not the differences. I don't like using things (like my ethnicity) against others to get something I want or to show that I have been mistreated. To ever be one we have to be ALL first. We were nearly that in WWII and for a while in Korea and Viet Nam...

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 8:58 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    msb: "Many entitlement programs the left wing is so proud to say is their doings are designed to cater to minorities to keep them oppressed." This is a statement that has been made by many people...including many AAs, Hispanics and Asians. Brian's comment is not too far from the mainstream belief.

    msb stated: "Mr. Docktor is not exactly the brightest bulb in the box, and there is a good reason he has hidden himself away in Bumflip, Arizona, pretending he's fixing clocks."

    For your information msb...the only bright bulb is the one outside of the box in the socket and turned on... THAT is NOT you...you are still in the government box.

    mrl: "if we eliminate the pecking order somehow things will be much better. The utopian mindset." THAT is exactly what the GDR attempted. Are you close enough to msb to give her a hand with her "critical thinking"?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:54 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Please Ms Bobin... one does not need to be bright or intelligent to determine Mr Lucas is off in his own world...

    and I would agree with you, it would be a joke if someone did not think it was pointless to educate you or Mr Lucas....

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 1:21 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    http://www.abc15.com/dpp/lifestyle/your_home/specialized-job-nearly-extinct-in-az

    And here's a news article and video of me pretending to work on clocks at the make believe shop, Ms. Bobbin

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 1:09 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    But leave it to Ms. Bobbin to imply hospitals are closing up because Whites don't utilize them enough.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 1:07 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    Ms. Bobbin wrote:

    Meaning - that white people are less apt to take advantage of freebies unless they absolutely HAVE TO, whereas minorities make a career from doing just that.

    -Statistics do show in the Los Angeles area, for example, Hispanics are the primary cause for so many hospitals going under because Hispanics do take advatage of the emergency rooms far more than any other ethnicity. They come across the border in the droves to suck up all the funds intended for other people too. And Ms. Bobbin is right. Whites don't go to the emergency room at the drop of the hat. You should hear some of the stories from people who work at local emergency rooms here about what Hispanics and other minorities come to emergency room for.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 12:52 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    And Ms. Bobbin. I think I'll tell some of our customers there is somone who thinks I am just pretending to work on clocks and should not trust me with their timepiece that has been in their family for generations. That should get you jumping for joy. And while you're at it, why not contact my boss and tell him I've had him fooled for the 13 years I've been employed for him.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 12:43 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    Ms. Bobbin wrote:

    The nature of politics is to divide. It's a dirty business and no party is above the dirty work. But for some reason conservatives take a "NOT ME" attitude as if THEY alone are pure and clean.

    -It's refreshing to see a Liberal actually admit Liberals are also at fault to for the mess we are in. It's a start. The next step is Liberals actually apologizing. But I'm not going to hold my breath. Liberals, in general, have this notion there is nothing they need to apologize for. All the while they advance the notion Conservatives could never apologize enough.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 12:31 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    Ms. Bobbin wrote:

    Thanks, Mr. Lucas. Mr. Docktor is not exactly the brightest bulb in the box, and there is a good reason he has hidden himself away in Bumflip, Arizona, pretending he's fixing clocks.

    I am considering the source for such a ruthless attack on my profession. The shop where I am employed happens to be one of the few that not only works on clocks dating back to the 1600's but also has a watch repair dept that ias ceritified to work on Rolexes, Cartiers, Tag Heuers and many other high end watches. Our regular customers are Hugh Downs, Luiz Gonzalez, Hale Irwin, to name a few. We are celebrating our 52nd year of operation. Also, if AZ is such a bumflip, why on Earth are so many people and corporations relocating here from CA? www.clockdr.com is our website. Not that I need to proove to Ms. Bobbin anything.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:08 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    Thanks, Mr. Lucas. Mr. Docktor is not exactly the brightest bulb in the box, and there is a good reason he has hidden himself away in Bumflip, Arizona, pretending he's fixing clocks.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:49 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    No Liberal Has said the following:

    if we eliminate the pecking order somehow things will be much better

    Where do you get this stuff? How does providing a shot for everyone to get to the middle lass or above mean that nonsense. What you need to do is get on the internet and get things that Liberals actually say and then bring it here and hammer away.

    If want the utopian mindset all ones has to do is read Paul Ryan's favorite book, Atlas Shrugged. By the way their is a great quote about that book.

    “Two novels can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other involves orcs.”

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:05 pm on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    One of the things you do that is is dishonest is that you set up an argument based on what you perceive that liberals say. You said

    On one hand you want equality and unity.

    Who ever said we want the unity you imply. Have you ever been in a group of Liberals talking. You will find a myriad of different opinions. The cliche of getting liberals together is like herding cats is very true. Do you think we are Conservative Republicans who march in lockstep blindly accepting any talking point brought in from above?

    When liberals talk about equality economically we are talking about equal opportunity not equal outcomes. that is what the GI bill, pew grants and help with vocational training is all about. We are talking about giving everyone a shot at the American dream. What they do with it is up to the market.

    In the future I would appreciate you dealing with what we actually think and not what you think we think.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:24 am on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    WOW!!! I was going to reply to some of Brian's nonsense but there is no way I could have done better than your post. Thanks for the great read and the work it took to write such a good piece.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:43 am on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    Mr. Docktor wrote: "Many entitlement programs the left wing is so proud to say is their doings are designed to cater to minorities to keep them oppressed."

    Funny how Mr. Docktor has the habit of talking and talking until he inadvertantly reveals his true opinions - and he never realizes it!

    So, Mr. Docktor believes that the ONLY people in this country who use or need entitlement programs are minorities? Well, maybe not since he also states, "White people do use these programs for one reason or another."

    Meaning - that white people are less apt to take advantage of freebies unless they absolutely HAVE TO, whereas minorities make a career from doing just that.

    As far as liberals "dividing" America, the Republicans and right wingers are no slouches when it comes to that. Sarah Palin herself made it her campaign cry to try to differentiate REAL Americans from - what, unreal Amercans? REAL Americans come from the "heartland" and from gritty places like Alaska. They are farmers, people who work the land.

    Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum mocked the "elitists" who live in the northeast, the northwest, California, and anywhere else they could think of - "elitists?" That surely does not smack of class warfare, does it?

    Santorum mocked Obama for encouraging kids to go to college - "What a snob!" he cried. So Santorum didn't go to college? So he wasn't "dividing" kids by saying - you probably don't have the smarts to go to college, so why try?

    Republicans have tried to divide by portraying union members as the biggest bad guys and the crooks on Wall Street as the saviors of America.

    Romney divides by telling the auto industry that they should have been allowed to just go bankrupt - in his own home state no less. I'm surprised Romney was not tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail while in Michegan.

    The nature of politics is to divide. It's a dirty business and no party is above the dirty work. But for some reason conservatives take a "NOT ME" attitude as if THEY alone are pure and clean.

    Just like racism - if you are a racist you don't realize it because everyone around you is the same - it's normal. Party politics are the same - everyone you associate with thinks like you - it's normal. Anything outside of that is just plain wrong!!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:38 am on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "So far off.. where and how would someone begin to explain... pointless"

    A classic Darrell Baumbach comment when he wishes to appear loaded with information, but its just too much of an effort to "explain" to those with less intelligence than himself. What a joke.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:11 am on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    Many liberals tend to have the philosophy of if we eliminate the pecking order somehow things will be much better. The utopian mindset.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:06 am on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    Mr. Lucas wrote:

    The problem is not that Obama or people like him have not used class warfare to divide. The problem is that they have not done it enough.

    -At least you are honest, Mr. Lucas. I'm encouraged. However, that doesn't change what the outcome is as a result of more class warfare. You are demonstrating the hipocracy of the left. On one hand you want equality and unity. On the other hand you want to ramp up class warfare that discourages equality and thus creates more division.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:58 am on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    Mr. Lucas wrote:

    What do you think the hidden message is there? You are saying white people do not use these programs because they would rather work or are smarter. That is your hidden message.

    -Not exactly, Mr. Lucas. White people do use these programs for one reason or another. There are smart and not so smart people from all walks of life. You Libs seem to have an excuse for everything. Frankly, you're the first Lib who implies Whites should not be entitled to social programs because you think they are just way too smart to ever have to encounter tough times and as a result may have to use social programs to get by until things get better. What a shallow perspective of life.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:53 am on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Lucas stated...I have rarely seen someone use so many words and say nothing.

    Let me help you out Mr Lucas... if you read what you post so often, you will be able to replace the word "rarely" with "often"... happy reading!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:49 am on Wed, May 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    mr Lucas stated...What you mean when you whine about the left using class warfare to divide is that we should all stand together and bend over and grab our ankles. No thank you.

    So far off.. where and how would someone begin to explain... pointless

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:56 pm on Tue, May 1, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    The problem is not that Obama or people like him have not used class warfare to divide. The problem is that they have not done it enough. This class war is a fact of life. As Warren Buffet said,"There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.” What you mean when you whine about the left using class warfare to divide is that we should all stand together and bend over and grab our ankles. No thank you.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:49 pm on Tue, May 1, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    I have rarely seen someone use so many words and say nothing. Can you please translate the above into something someone can understand. If you want to argue policy put a policy up that we can argue about. How about cooling it with the right wing talking point drivel?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:44 pm on Tue, May 1, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Your talking point drivel is boring. Please specify what programs you are talking about.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:38 pm on Tue, May 1, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Let me quote Newt Gingrich

    Start with the following two facts: Really poor children in really poor neighborhoods have no habits of working and have nobody around them who works.

    What do you think he is saying?

    Let me quote Brian Docktor

    Many entitlement programs the left wing is so proud to say is their doings are designed to cater to minorities to keep them oppressed.

    What do you think the hidden message is there? You are saying white people do not use these programs because they would rather work or are smarter. That is your hidden message.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:38 pm on Tue, May 1, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    Ms. Bobbin,

    Regarding your 10:37 post:

    Are you suggesting you never thought Obama or people like him on the left have ever used class warfare to divide?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:19 pm on Tue, May 1, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    A perfect example of runaway entitlement programs is the present disposition of Detroit. The left designed it to be the model city for America to take after. It's a good thing Conservatism is still the foundation of this country. Otherwise the left would have succeeded in transforming America into one big ghetto. Now we have this Obama fellow in the White House thinking he can do the Detroit thing from a Chicago politics angle. Fortunately he's not smart enough to convince conservatives, Democrat and Republican, his new Detroit plan will work this time.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:10 pm on Tue, May 1, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    Mr. Lucas,

    Many entitlement programs the left wing is so proud to say is their doings are designed to cater to minorities to keep them oppressed. Now, I wouldn't expect you to understand this thinking because the left wing politicians do a very good job at pulling the wool over their base. Not that right wing politicians don't try to pull the wool over people's eyes. They just believe entitlement programs only create more complacency.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:02 pm on Tue, May 1, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    Mr. Lucas wrote:

    Conservative Republicans who do not believe racism or discrimination exists in America believe it is because they do not work as hard or as smart as their white counterparts.

    -Chuckle,

    This throw away line is just a talking point backed up by no example or even argument. I know if you try real hard you can do better than this.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:50 pm on Tue, May 1, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    Thank you, Mr. Lucas, for being so kind to Mr. Docktor by refering to him as a "conservative Republican." My take has always been "right-wingnut" since most of his views are so far right even Rush Limbaugh couldn't fit his portly figure into any "gap" to the right of Mr. Docktor.

    I am not expecting anything in response but insults from Mr. Docktor as your take on this is spot on.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:57 am on Tue, May 1, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Joanne,
    Brian is a Conservative Republican. He does not need "evidence" to support his claim. I am sure he found it in the bible somewhere or maybe one of his idols such as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity or some other intellectual blowhard at Fox news said it. Conservative Republicans do not feel the need for evidence. As Steven Colbert has so brilliantly pointed out they just need to feel that it is the truth.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:37 am on Tue, May 1, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    Mr. Docktor wrote: "the term 'minority' has been advanced by Liberals in a derogatory sense to divide."

    Now that you have expressed this profound opinion, Mr. Docktor, perhaps you would like to explain how you came to this conclusion. What "evidence" do you have that supports this claim?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:44 am on Tue, May 1, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    I can see how the term "minority" when used by Liberals is thought of as a derogatory term by a Conservative Republican. Liberals, being thinking people, are looking to see why minorities such as Latinos and especially blacks are not getting as much of the pie as their white counterparts. Conservative Republicans who do not believe racism or discrimination exists in America believe it is because they do not work as hard or as smart as their white counterparts. We however do not believe that and believe in studying why they are not getting their share of the pie that their numbers would indicate they should.

    As to being part of the three stooges as you like to call us I am proud of it. If you want to insult us that is really easy. Just call us Conservative Republicans. Now that is a real insult.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:27 am on Tue, May 1, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Good morning Brian! My point of my comment was this letter was just a list of Conservative Republican talking points. Your statement:

    It's just a statisitcal way of determining which races are less populous

    This is so obvious and true that I did not feel the need to bring it up.

    This statement:

    Not in a derogatory sense as liberals always make it out to be.

    This throw away line is just a talking point backed up by no example or even argument. I know if you try real hard you can do better than this.

    This statement:

    He just can't bring himself to agreeing with a Conservative even when they write something he's an advocate of.

    Mr Vetica is not advocating equality. He is advocating not using race or ethnicity in looking at how people of different races and ethnicity are doing in relation to the overall population.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:47 am on Tue, May 1, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2813

    Actually,
    The American Indians originally immigrated from Asia thousands of years ago.

    I don't believe we should eliminate the minority category. There will always be minorities. Not in a derogatory sense as liberals always make it out to be. It's just a statisitcal way of determining which races are less populous. Many Hispanics and Blacks tend to be the most sensitive about this classification. My theory is they have struggled the most in moving higher up in the pecking order.

    And I don't know if Mr. Lucas is saying he no longer believes in equality. But based on his comment below, it's somewhat of an indication it is so. He just can't bring himself to agreeing with a Conservative even when they write something he's an advocate of.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:07 am on Tue, May 1, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    You guys are a little tough on Mr Vetica. His collection of mindless Conservative Republican talking points is a very good example of their thought processes and style. Look at how many words he used without really saying anything. He was just writing down his two minute hate drill. I think it was a very instructive bit of Conservative Republican twaddle.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 4:44 am on Tue, May 1, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2239

    Chuckle....

    Eliminate a word?

    How Orwellian!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:41 am on Tue, May 1, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4485

    I am curious - just what does this letter have to do with "eliminating minorities" except for the very first sentence?

    As is his wont, Mr. Vetica starts with what should be his topic sentence and then wanders off into a myriad of complaints - one of which seems to be the tendency of Democrats to divide. The best part is his illustration of the differences between Democrats and Republicans which is CLEARLY meant to divide.

    As for Happy Meals? Really, Mr. Vetica, is that the best example you could come up with to illustrate how unjust liberals are?

    The Lodi News Sentinal should be embarassed to have printed such twaddle.

     

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