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Posted: Thursday, May 3, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:43 am, Thu May 3, 2012.

Cynthia Neely recently wrote an article titled "Republican-style Sharia law denies women basic rights." I question the intent in this very inflammatory article. She states several things hoping that woman will explode with anger and vote against conservative politicians. She stated:

"Republicans believe corporations are people, but women aren't (even though thousands of woman own corporations like Oprah Winfrey)." Both President Bushes, as well as Reagan, demonstrated in their loving relationships that conservative politicians obviously think women are wonderful people. The Clintons and the Kennedys demonstrated just the opposite.

"Republican politicians are making law that requires a doctor to violate a woman with a medical instrument, this gives an entirely new meaning to statutory rape." Women should be outraged Ms. Neely compared this to a hideous crime of rape.

She evoked Rush Limbaugh's name to draw out even more emotion from her intended audience.

Many think president Obama is looking for distractions to take attention away from his record. His policies have led to such disastrous results that he has no constructive messages (like hope and change). His followers are desperate and very willing to help Mr. Obama by taking focus away from him. What better way than create anger and resentment between the sexes and political parties.

I sincerely hope that women think about what Ms. Neely said. This was nothing more that her attempt to get her "candidate" elected again by you reacting with inappropriate anger and emotion as opposed to sound analytical thinking.

Darrell Baumbach

Acampo

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138 comments:

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:43 am on Wed, May 9, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    uh... can you clarify... no clue what you are talking about... I do not consider molestation appropriate under any situation... This claim appears to be the rant of a delusional man in my opinion... Since we have never met, and the only experience I have with you is reading your incoherant rants, I guess I should not be surprised at any conclusion you draw.

    Please take the time to recover from what ever is troubling you... take care Mr Lucas.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 7:06 am on Mon, May 7, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805


    mskl: A LOT of smart people do stupid things, say stupid things and write stupid things. mrl seems to have an abundance of each. I must admit on occassion you do not.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 12:42 pm on Sun, May 6, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    "Don't let that double digit IQ get in your way of being stupid."

    An IQ of 100 is average, 50% of the population are between 90 IQ and 110 IQ.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 9:48 am on Sun, May 6, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Joe and Darrell: The hateful little man posts nothing...gibberish. I found this post to a newspaper back east that sums it up for most of us:

    "has AMERICA become the land of the special interest and home of the double standard?

    lets see: if we lie to the congress, it's a felony and if the congress lies to us its just politics; if we dislike a black person, we're a racist and if a black dislikes whites, it's their 1st amendment right; the government spends millions to rehabilitate criminals and they do almost nothing for the victims; in public schools you can teach that homosexuality is OK, but you better not use the word GOD in the process; you can kill an unborn child, but its wrong to execute a mass murderer; we don't burn books in AMERICA, we now rewrite them; we got rid of the communist and socialist threat by renaming them progressives; we are unable to close our border with mexico, but have no problem protecting the 38th parallel in korea; if you protest against president obama's policies you're a terrorist, but if you burned as AMERICAN flag or george bush in effigy it was your 1st amendment right.

    you can have pornography on tv or the internet, but you better not put a nativity scene in a public park during Christmas; we have eliminated all criminals in AMERICA, they are now called sick people; we can use a human fetus for medical research, but it's wrong to use an animal.

    we take money from those who work hard for it and give it to those who don't want to work; we all support the Constitution, but only when is supports our political ideology; we still have freedom of speech, but only if we are being politically correct; parenting has been replaced with ritalin and video games; the land of opportunity is now the land of hand outs; the similarity between hurricane katrina and the gulf oil spill is that neither president did anything to help.

    and how do we handle a major crisis today? the government appoints a committee to determine who's at fault, then threatens them, passes a law, raises our taxes; tells us the problem is solved so they can get back to their reelection campaign.

    what has happened to the land of the free and home of the brave?"

    -KEN HUBER
    TAWAS CITY, MI

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:34 am on Sun, May 6, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    No,Strangelove, I think it is more important that people know that you support the molestation of women.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:44 am on Sun, May 6, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr lucas stated...How can I argue with one of the most prolific minds around? Joe, I think I speak for most of us for thanking you for bringing back memories of the 5th grade.


    Mr Lucas ...please ... if you wish to dwell on the fifth grade as you stated below, maybe you should consider writing a letter to the editor titled the joys of a childhood bully. I am sure it would be prolific.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:45 pm on Sat, May 5, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Sure... Our Constitutional Republic isn't supposed to be governed by executive fiat.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:43 pm on Sat, May 5, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Oh, Joe say it ain’t so. I will not have the educational value of your comments directed at me? Like Mr Chapman, your comments so reflect your higher educational background. I hang my head in shame at my poor attempts to even try to match exquisite mastery in the English language that both of you have shown. This one I will never be able to top:

    Life is way too short to waste on pukes like you.

    This is such a masterful use of sentence construction. The use of words rivals that of Thomas Jefferson or even William Shakespeare. What really sets it apart is how it raises the level of rational discourse. Yes, your superior education and magnificent intellect just shines with every word. You are most certainly correct. I could never compete with you for I could in a million years write the sentence above.

    I’am gonna miss ya. Yer so easy

    PS. By the way I hear you are a shoo in for the “Please give me a hankie, you are so mean” poster award. Well deserved and good job!!!

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:41 pm on Sat, May 5, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Joe Baxter blessed us with a couple more of his brilliant comments down thread. I repeat them here so no one would miss them:

    How can I argue with one of the most prolific minds around? Your diploma from Bubba's Truck Driving School is a testament to your mental acuity.

    I will settle for having "second rate intelligence" in that I realize there are a lot of people in the world that are more intelligent than I am. Too bad YOU aren't one of them.


    Joe, I think I speak for most of us for thanking you for bringing back memories of the 5th grade. Good job!

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:52 pm on Sat, May 5, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    I will settle for having "second rate intelligence" in that I realize there are a lot of people in the world that are more intelligent than I am. Too bad YOU aren't one of them.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:44 pm on Sat, May 5, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Oh boy! kl and jl: It is called a question mrl...try asking one sometime. I am very good at answering them...let me give you a couple of examples: Mr Maple...what did you mean by...? Or hey Pat...I don't understan...can you clarify?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:39 pm on Sat, May 5, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    How can I argue with one of the most prolific minds around? Your diploma from Bubba's Truck Driving School is a testament to your mental acuity.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:50 pm on Sat, May 5, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Thank you. I appreciate it.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 2:18 pm on Sat, May 5, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    John Lucas: I enjoyed your post @ 11:48pm. Nice job... and spot on!

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:17 pm on Sat, May 5, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Hi Joe, we missed you. I see your trying to increase your chance of winning the “Most words written without containing a fact” ward. I think if you keep posting you really have a shot at “Please give me a hankie, you are so mean” . You and Robert Chapman are neck and neck for the "Second Rate Intellect " award. The last one you and Robert are the class of the posters. You two really have no competition. Good Luck!!!

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 1:23 pm on Sat, May 5, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Reposts: mrl: There is no "force" in choice.

    Your unwillingness astounds me...or maybe it is your memory...MANY times I have posted about being Native American and NOT being religious but spiritual. NOR...have I denied anyone their choice to be how they choose. Sooo...I see people like you assuming (a-s-s u me) things and then professing them to be so. Nope...wrong again.

    msb: Osama Bin Laden. NASA. 15% un/under employment. $5Trillion debt in 3 years. 99 weeks of unemployment. Capital losses to the "middle class" in the Tens of Trillions. Wars on women. Wars on businesses. Wars of cultures. But lets just look at one thing: The Misery Index: The Unemployment rate plus Inflation rate.

    Misery index: Under Bush average yearly index: 7.7 incl underemp: 7.8
    Under BO the average was 10.6 incl underemp: 15.1

    Number of jobs created under BO: 4 Million. Number leaving workforce: 3.8 million
    Gallop: Unemployed: 10.2% Underemployed: 19.9% Misery index: 13.2 These numbers do not include the millions of people who were self-employed, small farms and business owners prior to the BO regime.

    It takes JOBS to get people out of poverty and misery...NOT the government.


     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 1:13 pm on Sat, May 5, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    Additionally: "The envelope please"
    "Claiming Liberal BS to be Fact" = John Lucas
    "Swallowing Liberal Propaganda " = John Lucas
    "Unbalanced Radical Liberal Critical Thinking" = John Lucas
    "Whining because not everyone believes his Liberal BS" = John Lucas
    "Not practicing what he preaches" = John Lucas

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 1:03 pm on Sat, May 5, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    I am pretty sure Jerome meant sex with the OPPOSITE gender.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:25 am on Sat, May 5, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Good morning, Dr Strangelove. Sorry I do not need the meds but thanks for your concern.It it is obvious you know about them from personal experience. I am so sorry they did not work for you but who knows big pharma is working on new ones everyday. If one ever helped you it would be a miracle but we can only hope. Believe me when i say we are all concerned about your condition and wish you did not have to suffer from delusions you so obvious struggle so hard with every minute of every day. It must be so terrible to not know what is real and what is not. I cannot tell you how much we admire your documenting your dementia on these pages every day. Most people would have too much pride and would hide their insanity from the world. I am sure you do it in the hopes that psychiatrists can study your diseased mind in action and maybe against all odds come up with a cure. While the odds for you are so long because you are so obviously in the late stages, your willingness to embarrass and humiliate yourself on these pages because might help someone in the future is very commendable if not heroic . So bravo for you.
    Your concerned friend
    John Lucas

    PS. You are always engaging in the sophomoric nonsense like the post in which I am replying to. The false concern about some alleged mental disorder etc. If you are going to engage in this bs the purpose of my reply is to show you how it is done for your attempts really need some work and are frankly pathetic.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:19 am on Sat, May 5, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Two words Mr Lucas... Valproate semisodium ... please consider taking it.

    After reading your incoherant conclusions you have drawn, I think it would be a wonderful solution for you... it treats people like yourself who have symtoms of
    schizoaffective disorder... I wish you well and hope you fully recover.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 2:21 am on Sat, May 5, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1414

    Thanks John and yes I realized there is little substantive response to my posts or yours or Joanns or others that present coherent reasoned thought. I come from a family with republicans including a brother I've debated with for years. He hasn't changed nor have I yet we remain close.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:18 am on Sat, May 5, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2348

    Oh good grief! My comment was only to draw attention to the fact that they have the same last name. It's called satire.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:48 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    The LNS poster awards are around the corner but I have some of the inside scoop on who wins what.

    The coveted “Pompous Poster of the year” is going to our resident Preacher, Jerome Kinderman. This is no surprise for no one can come close to the Preacher’s affected, grandiose, supercilious, patronizing and condescending use of the English language. Darrell Baumbach, aka Dr. Strangelove, comes in a distant second but as it happens every time the Preacher wins this one hands down.

    The “Most words written without containing a fact” is a tie between Dr Strangelove and the Preacher. There is no way to do the math for you would have to take the amount of words divided by the facts in any given post. As we all know you cannot divide by zero.

    The “Please give me a hankie, you are so mean” award is a wide open race. This award goes to the person who whines the loudest when being personally attacked but whose main form of argument is the art of personal attack. I hear Robert Chapman is the leader but Joe Baxter, Gary Musto, Dr Strangelove, and Ron Portal are all in the running

    The “Creepiest Poster of the Year” goes hands down to Dr. Strangelove. His stating how he loves and cherishes women while endorsing the laws that says a rape or incest victim must endure a transvaginal ultrasound before getting an abortion gives new meaning to the words cherish and love.

    The “What the heck did that person just say?” again goes to Pat Maple. There are those of us who really enjoy Pat’s posts. Some people do crossword puzzles some of us enjoy trying to decipher Pat’s posts.

    Ah, Life is fun

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:09 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Thomas do you notice that when you make an argument that has specific ideas like the one you just posted people like Jerome or Dr Strangelove never respond and if they do it is just with a talking point? They are incapable of honest and open debate. They only know what Fox News tells them. I know that it is frustrating but do not stop. There are people who read these posts who are not members of the Borg.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:34 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Jerome. we agree twice in one day. You said:

    And just what is wrong with loving sex?

    I am with you there. I also love sex

    Sorry I just could not let it pass . It was just too easy. :)

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 9:23 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Kinderman is bright enough to know that comprehensive sex ed is more effective at reducing the rate of unwanted pregnancies, abortions, and STD's. He's not making a statement based on any kind of reality. No one has ever suggested that "abstinence is wrong" or that "sexual intercourse is uncontrollable." He's just angry. People are not following his very rigid Rules for Sex.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:22 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Dr Strangelove, your hypocrisy is showing. You say this:

    The far left does have a way with words that would be in line with an angry uneducated trucker having one too many beers.

    Then you repeat the attack Gary made earlier which I answered. I am so sorry I hurt your poor delicate feelings. Perhaps I should get you a hankie?

    The only reason you brought this up is that you are getting hammered here and are running from the conversation. It is an old trick but who do you think you are dealing with, a Republican Conservative?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:10 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Jeff, this i just one of the preachers (jerome) favorite sermons he like to pull out when he has nothing to say and want to change the direction of the conversation. Dr Stragelove and the preacher are getting hammered here because people such as yourself have been attacking their cherished fantasies with logic and facts. This might be sermon #23 or whatever but he could have pulled #2or #4 or any other of his favorite standbys. The point is that it as you have noticed have anything to do with this thread. He is like a deer in the headlights and this post is just his way of running away from the argument at hand. Dr strangelove does much the same thing.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:57 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    There is no point... Liberals are not concerned with truth as their agenda is their world. Ms Bobin and people like yourself would only take what I say and distort it... If you and Ms Bobin sincerely are unaware of what Obama has done then good. Your ignorance will only help in getting Obama out of office. In reality, I believe you and Ms Bobin know exactly what disasters he caused but willingly have decided to ignore it.

    All one has to do is examine the policies and legislation implemented to draw conclusions. It is silly to have to educate Ms Bobin or yourself. Do your own work.
    I have actually read much of the text of laws passed during the Obama administration's power... take the time to read it yourself as me telling you anything is a waste of time.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:53 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Jerome, it is always interesting to listen to one of your sermons but you should clear up why you meant by the following statement:

    (Is there something with the name “Schultz” that might be at the root? Ed, Debbie Wasserman? Hmm, makes one take pause, no?)

    Reading your inane nonsense over a period of time I really doubt that you mean that way but the above could be interpreted by any reasonable person as an anti-Semitic remark.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:41 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Kinderman... you may be correct about it being a disease. There are many mental health conditions that are covered by health plans... If Obamacare stands, I would not be surprised id liberals manipulate the national healthcare system as time goes on to classify their own behavior as a disease just to get more benefits from the system.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:34 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    TH

    Bizarre comparison on your part... the term liberal is specific to descibe a group of people... bible thumpers come in all shapes and sizes. Some are very liberal and some are even conservative.

    and since I am a non Christian, what concerns should I have of Obama... I think Christians are the target...not me.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 7:56 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1414

    DB
    Scared of sex oh yes
    They don't take well to gay sex.
    They are big on censorship of movies, books, art, etc.

    And no one is bigger on characterizing a group of people like liberals as if they are all the same...

    And talk of a non-issue religious freedom is very safely protected under the first amendment. However I want to see your concerns for religious freedom when non-christian religions want their tenants protected.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 7:54 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 541

    Stop with this disease bs.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 7:50 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 541

    Jerome, abstinence only is not wrong, it's just impractical. States that have gone to abstinence only sex ed have recognized increases in teenage pregnancy. What joanne and others are trying to say is that the most effective way to reduce unwanted pregnancies is comprehensive sex ed. They're not making an argument on morality, rather efficacy.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 7:00 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1414

    Still again you go on and on without giving substance to your rambling and insulting remarks.
    Ms Bobin asked......This is totally laughable, Mr. Baumbach. Please outline EXACTLY the "disaster Obama has created."

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 6:42 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1414

    Conservatives fail to understand the basics of economics.
    1) The economy is driven by demand/consumers. If you want to increase jobs you need to increase demand. When bosses are flodded with orders or customers they say I need help and hang the help wanted signs. The middle class is what has been the basis of much of our prosperity.If you have no demand and give employers tax breaks why would they hire? There's no customers.

    2) Most jobs are created by small business. Then there are the ultrawealthy who don't hire except for maybe a few house keepers, gardeners and yacht drivers. Most like Romney don't have jobs just investment income. To give these people tax breaks is laughable if you are concerned about creating jobs or economic growth in this country. Much of the wealth is inherited much like the English monarchy. Those that are most effected by taxes are small business and relief here is understandable.

    This economy is down and its easy for politicians to say we need to create jobs. This economy has the double whamy of the loss of an industry (housing) and being hit by financial collapse. Housing involves carpenters, painters, brick layers, electricians, landscapers and on and on. You can't get these jobs back in any time soon: a whole industry. Theres a housing surplus, banks are reluctant to loan and buyers (demand) are reduced by so many being jobless. When Obama took office we lost 8 mil jobs (Bush lost) and have struggled through his policies we have gotten over 4 mil back. So the idea of tax breaks to the very wealth can only be seen as political pandering to wealthy donors.

    And yes the blame falls on both political parties but simultaneous greed on wall street exascerbated the downfall. This is going to be a long slog waiting for the housing indusry to come back or whole new industries need to be generated to replace housing. The only other option is government infusion into the economy for generating some demand. Private markets are down for the count and can't correct itself like some would believe.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 6:21 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2348

    Mr. Baumbach, it is my sincere belief that liberalism/progressivism should be treated as a disease; maybe even a fatal malady based upon what it appears to do to so-called “compassionate” people who claim to be concerned with the plight of everyone. But once bitten by whatever insect carries the virus, the metamorphosis is uncanny. The foul language; false accusations; hatefulness; and downright meanness are staggering. Just look what the OWS crowds have done all in the name of liberalism: destruction of public and private property; defecation and urination in public and on vehicles; and in some instances mayhem and even rape. And then to top that off, one of their esteemed leaders, Harrison Schultz makes the claim that no, no, no! Those atrocious acts were actually perpetrated by people sent to their gatherings by the police in order to paint them in a negative light. (Is there something with the name “Schultz” that might be at the root? Ed, Debbie Wasserman? Hmm, makes one take pause, no?)

    Yes indeed - it IS a disease; one that must be eradicated as quickly as possible. I would think by November 6th should do the trick!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:32 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    The title of this article is” Cynthia Neely’s column was inflammatory and divisive”

    My contention is that this is a common element of far left wing liberals in their strategy to win. John Lucas claims to be a proud liberal who thinks Obama is to the right of himself... Mr Lucas thought Ms Neely's letter was not inflammatory but accurate... It appears that Mr Lucas has helped to substantiate that the Lodi News Sentinel was dead on accurate in selecting the title for my letter. The far left does have a way with words that would be in line with an angry uneducated trucker having one too many beers.

    In this thread, Gary Musto posted at 7:11 am on Fri, May 4, 2012... John Lucas sure does have a way with words. In his 4:38 PM post on May 3rd. he states, "we should argue the issues of the day with logic, fact and civility."
    Posted below are a just of those pearls of wisdom.

    "when you read the words of our village idiot."
    "They are a menace to good people everywhere."
    "I would have certainly have chipped in to get George Bush a b.j."
    "it is how they get off."
    "cannot describe the revulsion I feel for you as a person."
    "of course a Conservative Republican would think invading Iraq is preferable morally that getting a b.j."

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:14 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ryan stated...Bible thumpers are scared of sex and subsequently try to fashion it in their own perceptions.

    Ryan... I do not read the bible but know many people who do... none I know of are scared of sex. I am suprised you characterized a group of people as if they are all the same...

    What they are scared of though is the Obama Administration's reach into religious freedom from government control.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:07 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated......This is totally laughable, Mr. Baumbach. Please outline EXACTLY the "disaster Obama has created."

    Oh... I would say that Ms Bobin's total lack of understanding as to what disaster Obama has without doubt created is what might be considered laughable... please pay attention to current events Ms Bobin. If you were not so consumed with fake woman's issues meant to distract from Obama's horrible policies and leadership , you might have an idea what I am referring to.

    Ryan Jameson was completely right that “an” economic disaster has been a long time coming and is the result of BOTH parties having blame to bear... however, far left zealots like Mr Lucas who state that everything bad is a consequence of conservative ideas/ policies and everything good is a result of liberal policies/ ideas, think differently.

    So when I spoke of economic disaster that Obama created in my post, Mr Tillett and Ryan have it wrong from the perspective I was writing about.. Obama did create “a” disaster that he alone is responsible for ( there can be more than one disaster simultaneously). The legislation he sponsored and promoted has a current and future effect that in my opinion, is his responsibility. Obama is not responsible for anything Ryan was referring to, that is beyond obvious. The overall economic disaster has been severely exasperated by Obama's disastrous policies and leadership.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:28 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I dont' know what that means.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:27 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Jameson: For some reason, there are those who have convinced others that taxpayer dollars pay for abortions. Please Google this. It might take several different "search" questions to get to the right citations. It is established law what taxpayer dollars CANNOT be used for abortions.

    What those on the right are proclaiming is that taxpayer dollars contributed to Planned Parenthood and other institutions that provide both abortions and women's health services only bolster these entities ability to "channel" these funds toward abortion, a la "paying Peter to rob Paul," or "robbing Peter to pay Paul."

    Reference this article about the drama unfolding in TX now:

    http://news.yahoo.com/planned-parenthood-texas-health-program-court-says-204420610.html

    The US needs sex education and the availability AND acceptance of birth control methods/devices/prescriptions, etc. We need young people to know that actions have consequences. Does anyone REALLY think that we can convince teens (and others) to abide by abstinence?

    In order to roll back the number of abortions, a hardcore program of education is needed. Even if women opt for a non-abortion solution in the case of an "unintended pregnancy," we need better alternatives. The increase in parents raising their "unintended" grandchildren is huge. Meanwhile, couples who wish to adopt are paying huge amounts for private adoptions.

    Our system is broken. It needs to be fixed if we wish to reduce (or eliminate - not likely) the number of abortions. It is not being helped by the continued restrictions placed on reproductive rights and the desire to legislate sexual behavior.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:57 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    What?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:56 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Lucas - I agree - so many have cried "George Bush is not the president!"

    It is as if GWB never existed. How, then, do we explain history? It is built upon the successes and the failures of prior presidents and their policies. Are we to ignore what came before?

    From the conservative perspective, we must celebrate Republican successes, ignore Republican failures, and fixate on Democrat's failed policies.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 3:51 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2348

    And just what is wrong with loving sex? Many of us believe it's God's wedding gift to couples. But where I find a problem with this "if it feels good, do it" mindset is where many actually believe that sexual intercourse is uncontrollable; that denying abstinence as the only sure way of preventing unwanted pregnancies, STDs and death is wrong. To even suggest that abstinence is wrong removes the very thing that along with our spirit separates us from animals: our ability AND responsibility to make rational decisions based upon consequences.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:52 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    Pat, who do you think forces women who have been raped undergo a transvaginal ultrasound before they can have an abortion? People you would vote for.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:27 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Thx. The truth is most of these guys are decent people. They work hard, have families and like the rest of us dealing with the travails of being a human being. They just listen to Fox new and other Conservative media and it distorts their view of reality. I would be lying if I said I did not enjoy messing with their minds

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:20 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I see you did not pick a topic and continued with the personal insults. Good job Gary

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:52 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730


    Ryan Jameson said:
    this economic disaster has been a long time coming and is the result of BOTH parties having blame to bear. The democrats push for high risk sub-prime mortgage lending in the 90's at the bequest of Barney Frank and the like was the start of the current housing bubble. Driven by unsustainable growth it came to a head when GWB started spending money like it grew on trees. Anyone who denies the work of both sides to create and continue this mess just shows how dug into their ideological trench they are.

    Ryan, you seem like a reasonable fellow. OK I'll bite
    The idea that this economic disaster has been long time in coming and is the result of both parties having blame to bear is no doubt true. However, it is my contention that the Republicans carry the vast load of guilt. You said the following and I will not argue whether or not it is true:

    The democrats push for high risk sub-prime mortgage lending in the 90's at the bequest of Barney Frank and the like was the start of the current housing bubble

    The fact is that the Republicans had control of all three branches of Government from 2000 till 2006 and surely could have done something about it. They did not.

    I contend that the current cause of the current crisis is directly due to the Republican’s obsession with supply side economics. I know what the idea is behind it but it is how the Republicans put it into practice is what really counts.
    From Carter To Bush Jr we put 10 trillion dollars on the credit card. 78% of that was done by Republicans. Their actions can be described by what Dick Cheney said, “Deficits don’t matter”. Reagan tripled the national debt and Bush Jr doubled it to 10 trillion dollars. This is a form of stimulus spending. Yes, the money went to the top income brackets and is not as stimulative if it would have gone to the infrastructure but in reality it is stimulus spending. There is not one Republican president since Nixon who has tried to balance the budget and not one since Eisenhower who has done it. For me the idea that Republicans since Gerald Ford are financial conservatives is laughable on its face. This obsession with tax cuts is the main culprit in the current financial crisis

    Their is a certainly a legitimate battle between the Liberals and the Conservatives over the size and scope of the Government. To paraphrase Bill Moyers, you need a left and a right wing for a plane to fly. In the past they had the fight and then figured out how to pay for it. Conservative Republicans started the strategy to put the government in massive debt by tax cuts so they could get rid of the social programs they detest and could not get rid of in the normal legislative way. By doing so they have come very close to destroying our economy with the latest financial disaster.

    It is ironic that Bill Clinton was more financially conservative than any Republican President since Gerald Ford. Like Ford, Nixon and Eisenhower he was a Keynesian. He saw the need for tax increases and pushed them through with not one Republican vote. In is two terms he decreased the number of federal employees by 300,000. He saw that the economy was going good and unlike Reagan, Bush Sr or Bush Jr he rode a good economy by doing what Keynesian theory say you do. You pay off the debt, freeing money for private enterprise to borrow and further build the economy. What was the first thing Bush jr. do when elected? Stimulus spending by tax cuts going mainly to the wealthy.
    In a nutshell when the economy is going well good economic policy says pay down the debt and shore up government finances. Did Reagan or any of the two Bushes do that? The answer is no. they all did the opposite. They ran up the debt.

    What about when as now the economy falters as it always will? The Conservative Republicans of today would have us repeat what they did in 1929. What happened? The unemployment rate went to 25% and the greatest meltdown of an economy in history occurred. This happened because all downturns are caused by lack of demand. When you apply austerity measures to that situation it causes a downward spiral as the situation feeds upon itself. Look at what is happening in Europe today because of the draconian austerity measures applied. Now is the time for a stimulus program that puts people back to work. It is a time for us to decide on a project that the private sector cannot do such as a smart grid. That is how the Interstate Highway system was built, the South was electrified with TVA and we went to the moon. When the economy recovers as it always will we concentrate on putting our financial house in order going through the upturn preparing for the downturn that surely is going to happen.

    The period from the 1930’s through 1980 we were led by men who believed in Keynesian Economics. It was the period of the greatest economic expansion in the history of mankind. There was not a major financial disaster. It created the greatest middle class the world has ever seen. Countries that followed our example had similar results. There is no country in the world that has a substantial middle class that did not use Keynesian Economics.

    Is it not interesting that the so-called Conservatives never want prepare for a rainy day by always jacking up the national debt leaving us in dire straits when the inevitable downturn happens?

    Is it not interesting that Conservatives do exactly the wrong thing when the economy has a downturn? Their policies they advocate only make the situation worse and the hole deeper to climb out of.


     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:39 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    Geez here is the straight from the text book conservative hyperbole and evidence your letter was your own political opportunism you accused Ms Neely of.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:20 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1414

    Andrew
    can you please tell me what the problem is here?

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:08 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1414

    Wow way to go John. Its nice to know how you really feel. I admire your energy to keep after these guys and their metally challenged perspectives. . I on the other hand get impatient too easily.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 12:00 pm on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    msb: Osama Bin Laden. NASA. 15% un/under employment. $5Trillion debt in 3 years. 99 weeks of unemployment. Capital losses to the "middle class" in the Tens of Trillions. Wars on women. Wars on businesses. Wars of cultures. But lets just look at one thing: Misery Index equals Unemployment rate plus Inflation rate.

    Misery index: Under Bush average yearly index: 7.7 incl underemp: 7.8
    Under BO the average was 10.6 incl underemp: 15.1

    Number of jobs created under BO: 4 Million Number leaving workforce: 3.8 million
    Gallop: Unemployed: 10.2% Underemployed: 19.9% Misery index: 13.2

    It takes JOBS to get people out of poverty and misery...NOT the government.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:56 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    Thanks Pat I'll try to do better next time. Sorry but it was past my bed time and at my age the eye sight fades and the fingers stiffen. I'll do better dilligence with the proofing. Hey this has been swell. That learnin you had has paid off after all. I feel the love. I feel more confident now knowing you're there fo me.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:40 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    Darrell
    You can't say you care about womens issues when obviously you don't. You can't talk the talk if you can't walk the walk. You can't say rape is a serious issue if you don't understand what rape is. Having something inserted into your private areas against your will is a serious issue and tantamount to rape. When you admit to this then you can say you are sensitive to womens issues.

     
  • Ryan Jameson posted at 11:34 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    Joanne, we are having a rational discussion, I am blown away. Normally I enjoy calling you an idiot and moving on but this is much better. Christian fundamentalists are a hard group to fathom. People like those 500 kids and counting (or whatever number they are at) are ridiculous, but if they have a way to support their family then go for it. The issue I take is when they start telling others not to use birth control, which is different in my eyes. Obviously preventing a pregnancy and terminating one are different. Bible thumpers are scared of sex and subsequently try to fashion it in their own perceptions. My simple answer, if you don't agree with birth control then don't take it. Again abortion is different here because I believe there is another life at stake. Where I personally draw the line is when the government steps in to provide these services.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 11:30 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    mrl: There is no "force" in choice.

    Your unwillingness astounds me...or maybe it is your memory...MANY times I have posted about being Native American and NOT being religious but spiritual. NOR...have I denied anyone their choice to be how they choose. Sooo...I see people like you assuming (a-s-s u me) things and then professing them to be so. Nope...wrong again.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 11:12 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    Why would I want to respond to someone who feels the need to use the terms "b.j's" and "getting off" no matter what the content of the conversation happened to be. Count me out.

    Your reference to Hitlers regime and Conservative Republicans is not going to gain you any points, it is mean spirited and hateful, sorry if you don't see it.

    If your intention is to be the bully on the block, by all means, the crown is yours, you win hands down.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 10:50 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Joanne Bobin comments on President George Bush's speech pattern.

    "He was an embarrassment to the American people with the inability to even pronounce simple words correctly."

    Well Joanne, let's give some equal time to President Obama what da ya say?

    "Israel is a strong friend of Israel's."
    "Massatootis"
    "corpsman"
    I don't know what the word is in "Austrian?"
    "the time has change for come"
    "I want to be very clear, we are resolved to halt the rise of "privacy."

    President Obama signs the guest book at Westminster Abbey, "24 May, 2008, the only problem for the smartest president ever was the date happened to be "24 May, 2011".

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:39 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    Mr. Jameson wrote: "Ok, using a "logical" argument could it not easily be said that those of us against abortion are fighting for the rights of unborn children?"

    It is possible that the majority who are pro-choice agree with that statement. I cannot attest to that and I haven't looked up any statistics that support that.

    My personal position is that abortion should not be used as a means of birth control. This is 2012 - science has given us a multitude of contraceptives. The problem is that fundmentalists have continually fought the dissemination of sex education and birth control information.

    Funny - have you ever thought that it is strange that fundamentalists are anti-birth control, anti-abortion, but they surely love sex. I won't name any denominations, but large families do not exist because parents only (fill in the blank) once for each child they have.

    We have managed to educate women all over the planet, but somehow those here at home are subject to the constraints of fundamentalist thinking. This is why women are up-in-arms about the huge number of laws being passed recently that restrict birth control and abortion as outlined in Ms. Neeley's column.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:38 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    I'll add to Obama's list of destructive economic policies Ms. Bobin...

    Just this week, Obama issued a new executive order that seeks to "harmonize" U.S. economic regulations with the rest of the world. This latest executive order represents a fundamental change in U.S. economic policy. Now federal regulators will be required to "harmonize" their work with the international community.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:31 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Joanne, what I find interesting is the Orwellian universe they have created for themselves. Anything that does not agree with their view of the universe just goes down the memory such as the facts you brought up above. How many times have we heard Jerome whine and cry about bringing up the Bush years? For him those years simply do not exist. What really gets them angry is when others bring up the stuff they have shot down the memory hole and will not go along with them in their fantasies. Poor, poor babies I do feel sorry for them.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:18 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    Dr Strangelove, as usual your logic is so right on we sit in awe of its beauty. This one really is a testament to your absolute grip on reality. You said:

    November 2012 is coming soon. The main issue is the economy and the disaster Obama has created.

    Yes we need to implement the policies you advocate that are the same as George Bush's. Then we can again experience losing 750,000 jobs a month, a credit crunch, an auto industry on the brink of collapse, banks failing by the hundreds and the threat of a complete financial collapse like 1929 the last time your ideas held sway. Yes, the good old days

    What planet do you live on?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:01 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    Interesting Pat. You said:

    A religious "regulator" vs a government "regulator"? Hmmmm... who has my best interest at hand?
    I do not mind you wanting to have a religious regulator because you believe he has your best interests at heat. The problem is that you want to force it on the rest of us.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:52 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Good morning Gary. Your complaints about my terrible behavior ring hallow and as usual you pick and choose the comments and never bring up what brought them on

    Lets take them one by one

    "when you read the words of our village idiot."
    Do you list any of the comments that Dr Strangelove,aka Darrell Baumbach, has continually attacked me with? I have said this repeatedly. You get two shots at civil discourse with me. Then it is my turn. If you want though I will get you and Dr Strangelove a hankie.

    "They are a menace to good people everywhere."
    Conservative Republican theocrats who come up with obscenities such as the transvaginal ultrasound laws are a menace to good people everywhere. That is not an attack this is common sense.

    "cannot describe the revulsion I feel for you as a person." This is in response to Dr Strangelove's saying "To suggest that conservatives would support a form of rape of woman is unbelievable to me." while supporting medically unnecessary transvaginal ultrasounds for victims of rape and incest. I stand by it.

    The last two of your example go together

    "I would have certainly have chipped in to get George Bush a b.j."
    "of course a Conservative Republican would think invading Iraq is preferable morally that getting a b.j."
    Conservative Republicans impeached Bill Clinton for lying about a bj. Watching Newt Gingrich, who was having an affair at the time, and other Conservative Republican moralists shout to the rooftops of the damage this heinous act by Bill Clinton did to the republic. The outrage was 24/7
    Fast forward to the invasion of Iraq, an invasion built on Conservative Republican lies. This cost thousands of lives, maimed hundreds of thousands of people and a trillion dollars. The same people who were up in arms about Clinton were slobbering over each other in competition to see who could be more moral in the support of one of the bigger foreign policy disasters in our nations history that we will be paying for in so many ways in the decades ahead. So yes I would have certainly chipped in money to get George W Bush a bj if that would have satisfied his desire to feel manly if it would have kept us out of the terrible tragedy of the Iraq war.

    "fact, logic and civility?"
    Pick a topic and lets get it on. No personal attacks and stick to facts and logic. I will repeat again what I have said before.

    If you want an open and honest debate I am more than happy to oblige. If you want to engage in personal attacks and hyperbole I can do that also. If you choose not to respond I will understand why.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:36 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    Darrell Baumbach wrote: "November 2012 is coming soon. The main issue is the economy and the disaster Obama has created."

    This is totally laughable, Mr. Baumbach. Please outline EXACTLY the "disaster Obama has created."

    Just guessing here -

    The housing bubble burst on Obama's watch because of deregulation Obama forced through Congress.
    Wall Street deregulation happened because of Obama's policies.
    Tax cuts that Obama put in place severely affected the deficit.

    Oh, and those two wars Obama started on a lark - and the b....tard didn't even have them on the "books."
    And remember how he tried to keep the old folks happy with Medicare Part D - unpaid for. You know that REPUBLICANS NEVER pass a bill without having a way to pay for it (Shoot - that just started in 2009).

    Anything else you would like to add to Obama's list of destructive economic policies?

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:34 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    Darrell
    So you concede transvaginal ultrasound is the equivalent of statutory rape since you are now sensitive to womens issues where your letter wasn't.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:17 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    Meanwhile, Obama’s approval rating among women continues to decline.

     
  • Ryan Jameson posted at 8:44 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    Oh well if that was your point then yes, it was false. The arguments for his continuation of the problem are for another time and place I suppose.

     
  • Charles Nelson posted at 8:34 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    3 generations with blinders on? I think we know who has blinders on.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 8:03 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    Then we agree, the statement "the disaster Obama created" was patently false.

     
  • Ryan Jameson posted at 7:50 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    Jeff Tillett: this economic disaster has been a long time coming and is the result of BOTH parties having blame to bear. The democrats push for high risk sub-prime mortgage lending in the 90's at the bequest of Barney Frank and the like was the start of the current housing bubble. Driven by unsustainable growth it came to a head when GWB started spending money like it grew on trees. Anyone who denies the work of both sides to create and continue this mess just shows how dug into their ideological trench they are.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 7:45 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    forgot sources:
    http://www.guttmacher.org/media/inthenews/2012/01/05/endofyear.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Women

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 7:40 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    "The main issue is the economy and the disaster Obama has created."

    If that indeed is the case, why did Republicans propose some 1100 provisions and enact 135 of them restricting women's reproductive rights at the state level last year, instead of working on the economy & jobs? And this is a LEFT WING strategy? It's the left's strategy to have republicans try and enact provisions to restrict women's rights. Sure it is.

    We won't even talk about who "created" this economic disaster, as we all know who that was.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 7:11 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    John Lucas sure does have a way with words. In his 4:38 PM post on May 3rd. he states, "we should argue the issues of the day with logic, fact and civility."
    Posted below are a just of those pearls of wisdom.


    "when you read the words of our village idiot."
    "They are a menace to good people everywhere."
    "I would have certainly have chipped in to get George Bush a b.j."
    "it is how they get off."
    "cannot describe the revulsion I feel for you as a person."
    "of course a Conservative Republican would think invading Iraq is preferable morally that getting a b.j."

    "fact, logic and civility?"

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 7:04 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mrl: I have come to the conclusion that you write only to hear yourself speak: "Conservative Republican theocrats only want freedom. The freedom to use the law to force everyone else to live by their so-called values." A religious "regulator" vs a government "regulator"? Hmmmm... who has my best interest at hand? Read the quote from Niemoller again...that is the gov knocking on his/your door not the local pastor...

    Mr Jameson: Good points...you are very well entitled to your beliefs...do not step back from them. I would also argue that the legitimate father of the unborn child has some rights as well.

    mrh: If you are going to use big-boy words at least spell them right: "hypocracy at having contrived concerne...victumized...insensed... desegrgation" Check this out: hypocrisy, concern, victimized, incensed...desegregation.

    Then ther is this: "If you truely can't understand the womens issue then I can only conclude you found no sympathy with the denial of voting rights based on race and/or gender, desegrgation, etc." You have leapt off the bridge. NEVER have voting rights been denied because of desegregation...wow.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:31 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    Mr Lieblich again stays on topic. Ms Neely intended to reverse the trend that Andrew articulated.

    November 2012 is coming soon. The main issue is the economy and the disaster Obama has created.

    Food on the table and providing for the welfare of their children is a woman's issue.
    Private sector jobs are important. Having policies and legislation that encourage private sector growth is the topic. Having affordable health care is a woman's issue yet Obama made things worse and dramatically increased the cost leaving much less spendable income. The left wing strategy is clever but as Andrew stated, the liberal distractions are not working. Thankfully, there are woman who think and do not react emotionally to inflammatory commentary like Ms Neely's and her willing partners in this thread.

    Financial stability is a woman's issue and thankfully, the conservatives are a good home politically for any woman who appreciates a good pay check from a private sector employer.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:29 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    Mr Lieblich again stays on topic. Ms Neely intended to reverse the trend that Andrew articulated.

    November 2012 is coming soon. The main issue is the economy and the disaster Obama has created.

    Food on the table and providing for the welfare of their children is a woman's issue.
    Private sector jobs are important. Having policies and legislation that encourage private sector growth is the topic. Having affordable health care is a woman's issue yet Obama made things worse and dramatically increased the cost leaving much less spendable income. The left wing strategy is clever but as Andrew stated, the liberal distractions are not working. Thankfully, there are woman who think and do not react emotionally to inflammatory commentary like Ms Neely's and her willing partners in this thread.

    Financial stability is a woman's issue and thankfully, the conservatives are a good home politically for any woman who appreciates a good pay check from a private sector employer.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:17 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1414

    Great chart
    Did you notice congressional ratings went down from 66% to 38% and Obamas approval rating is higher than Romneys.50% to 42%.
    I like this chart

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:16 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    Mr Heuer... no need to travel in the Twilight Zone... if you want to make rape a trivial topic that is on you. I think rape is a serious matter...

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:12 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Andrew said:
    publicly taking the side of a female Georgetown University law student in her spat with Rush Limbaugh
    I really do not know where to start with this one. Lets see, Ms Fluke never mentioned Rush by name. She just testified in front of committee in favor of birth control medication should be covered by health insurance plans.
    Rush in his kind gentle way called her a sl-t and a prostitute and said she should put videos of her having sex in the internet.

    The president called her up and said her parents should be proud of her.
    Mitt Romney said he would have used different words than Rush which implies he approved of Rush's 3 day vicious attack though he would have used different words. It is amazing that anyone could not approve of the President's actions except he might have given Rushbo a piece of his mind.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:46 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    Again you have to admit to your own political oportunism in writing your letter

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:41 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    I'm with you John.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:39 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    Good points Joanne. What did MARTIN NIEMÖLLER say?

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
    Because I was not a Socialist.
    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
    Because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me

    What most men do not realize is women and gays are the front lines against these people. Conservative Republican theocrats only want freedom. The freedom to use the law to force everyone else to live by their so-called values. They are a menace to good people everywhere.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:38 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    It's quite obvious President Obama is working overtime to court the women’s vote. Weighing in on whether women should be admitted to the Augusta National Golf Club (even though nobody asked what he thought); publicly taking the side of a female Georgetown University law student in her spat with Rush Limbaugh; and forcing religious employers to provide coverage for contraception and abortion-inducing drugs. But here’s the interesting thing: It’s not working. As these controversies have dominated the lamestream media in recent weeks, Obama’s approval rating among women has not gone up; it has actually declined.

    As a matter of fact, when Obama took office in 2009, his job approval rating with women had reached 70 percent; today it has slipped to 49 percent. A decline of 21 points.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/122465/Obama-Weekly-Job-Approval.aspx

    I think it's safe to assume Ms. Bobin "hopes" this "changes".

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:35 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    So you concede transvaginal ultrasound is the equivalent of statutory rape since you are now sensitive to womens issues where your letter wasn't.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:23 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Very well said. What really bothers me is Dr. Strangelove(my name for darrell from now on) is his insistence on how he cherishes and loves women and yet does not denounce the transvaginal ultrasound for women who have been raped. It is like these women who have been brutalized and now forced to be shamed by this insanity are not human. I just do not get it.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:05 am on Fri, May 4, 2012.

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    Mr Heuer stated...... You only wish you could be as articulate as she is. You have to admit to your own political oportunism in writing your letter.

    Actually, I could care less if I articulate anything as well as Ms Neely. My ego is small and think that type of thinking is superficial.

    I also did not say woman's issues were not important... they are. I said Ms Neely was inflammatory in the way she presented them. If she wished to discuss woman's issues, it could have been done in a much more civil tone. If she is as articulate and skilled in writing as you assert, she could have made her points easily without stating anything about Sharia Law and conservatives not thinking of woman as people. It is because I think she is a smart woman who can articulate her points that leads me to conclude her intent was political.


     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 11:52 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

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    Darrell
    Your continued denigration of Ms Neely only evidences your hypocracy at having contrived concerne about how the issue is presented rather than the issue itself. You only wish you could be as articulate as she is. You have to admit to your own political oportunism in writing your letter.

    Now two great collections of facts have been posted here by Joanne Bobin who again presents the facts of the issue and you ignore it. Its the womans right of choice which liberals aren't trying to take away. Why do you try to deny the issue is conservatives trying to take the right of choice away. Conservatives are continuing efforts to defund Planned Parenthood which serves women. I don't go there and I'm sure you don't. So how are you surprised at the idea that women are feeling victumized. The transvaginal ultrasound is worse than your prostate check which you of course can refuse. So to take away the same ability to choose a procedure you don't want makes a person feel belittled, second class and a little child like: a non person. So is there suprise that women (and many men) are insensed. Then to have conservatives complain goverment is too intrusive again smacks of hypocracy. If you truely can't understand the womens issue then I can only conclude you found no sympathy with the denial of voting rights based on race and/or gender, desegrgation, etc.

    Speaking of sharia law will conservatives show their religious hypocracy when a muslm group or business declares an issue violates their religious tenants? Will conservatives rally to their rights of religious freedon? That will be interesting since many conservatives fear their very presence.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:52 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

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    Ms Bobin, you just distorted what Ms Neely stated in her own words. If all she did was state what you just stated, I would not have even bothered to submit this letter.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:45 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I think he is right when said," Just because it is the law doesn't make it right". There are many laws that I do not think are right. You overlook them to ones own peril. However he is talking about abortion. I am pro choice because there is no sure way for a woman to control her reproductive system. Abortion should be the last resort. To deny a woman control of her own body seems to me an attack on her ability to plan her own life. Most women want to have children but to force them to have when she is not ready financially, maturity wise or at a time when she just does not want a child means you are bringing a child into the world where the conditions for them growing up under positive conditions is greatly diminished.
    What makes the things these Conservative Republicans are doing so offensive is the the shame they want to inflict on women. They seem to take a positive joy in it. When you read the words of our village idiot, Darrell Baumbach, when he states how he loves and cherishes women it sends chills down my spine. It is like watching a horror film with a madman getting ready to torture a victim because he loves her..

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:33 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

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    Don't forget Vitter from Louisiana and all of the rgiht-wing evangelicals who have visited the dark side.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:03 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

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    Is the Obama Administration assassinating American citizens without due process OK as well Ms. Bobin?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:01 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    The only error that Ms. Neeley made, Mr. Baumbach, was to equate Republican attempts to turn back the clock with "Sharia Law."

    Otherwise, she was right on with her documentation of right-wing attempts to restrict the rights that women have fought hard to win for the past 40+ years.

    As a man, you can not even relate. As a man who is supposedly married to a minority woman, you cannot relate, which is even more sad and despicable.

    Your credibility is shot.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:52 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

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    Mr. Lucas: Mr. Jameson expressed this best - "just because it is the law doesn't make it right."

    Apparently, conservatives believe that laws can be overlooked when one does not agree with them.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:44 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Hmmmm...

    I guess that Mr. Jameson's comment that "just because it is the law doesn't make it right" negates all of the laws of this nation.

    You said it - must make it right. I guess you can go out tonight and kill, rob, rape, and any number of crimes - you'll just tell the authorities, "just because it's the law, doesn't mean I was wrong.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:09 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

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    I am pro choice myself but I understand the anti choice position on abortion but for me I will just stick with the position stated by Jesus.

     
  • Ryan Jameson posted at 7:43 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

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    Ok, using a "logical" argument could it not easily be said that those of us against abortion are fighting for the rights of unborn children? Because I believe that a fetus is a human being and that terminating pregnancy is murder and I believe that even in cases of rape and incest that the child should not have to pay for the fathers crime. I also believe that convicted rapists should be castrated and put in prison for life with no chance at parole because their crime has life long implications for the victim. I argue for the rights of unborn children, and yes I understand the implication it has on women's "rights". So agree to disagree but do not say that I conduct war on women when in fact the opposite is true. I empathsize with the facts of what women face with a pregancy they don't want. And not being a woman myself I can never fully put myself in "her shoes" but I will not be quiet about my thoughts on abortion. And a lack of personal responsibilty (the case in which most pregancies occur) should not be taken out on children. And just because something is the law does not make it right Mrs. Bobin.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:42 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Darrell said:

    To suggest that conservatives would support a form of rape of woman is unbelievable to me.

    I had to wait a few minutes before replying to this. I had to let my anger subside.Let me explain the new law written and passed by Conservative Republican who you have stated over and over of how they cherish and care for women.

    I know it is difficult for you but try to put yourself in the place of a woman who has been raped or has been a victim of incest. You decide that you want an abortion. The procedure proscribed by the law and written by Republican Conservatives says you must get an medically unnecessary sonogram. If it is too early in the pregnancy the woman must get what is called a transvaginal sonogram. This object that looks like a phall-s is inserted into the vag-na to take the picture of the fetus. Then they are forced to view the results of this loving and cherishing procedure. This mere weeks after being brutally raped or being raped by a family member.
    Word cannot describe the revulsion I feel for your as a person. You and anyone who supports this vile and vicious piece of legislation who's only purpose is to shame women should be barred from civilized society. Ms Neely called this a new form of statutory rape and it most certainly is.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:37 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

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    Mr Heuer evidently cannot read.

    Ms Neely accused conservative men as seeing all woman as not being people. The Clinton's and Kennedy clan treated woman as sexual objects considering the sexual escapades...and not people. The Bushes and Reagan saw their wives as people and treated them with respect. Condi Rice was a woman and Bush respected her as a person as well. Ms. Neely was absurd and inflammatory in her claim.

    The point is that many conservatives and liberals have good and bad on both sides. To isolate one side as if the other side is different is silly and absurd...that too is a fact.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:56 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

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    Mr Jameson stated...It was a rallying cry in the wake of Gabby Giffords that we all ought to stop using vicious language and name calling...where are the rallies and cries out for civility here?

    Thank you Mr Jameson... you identified the main point of my letter. Ms Neely was not civil at all. Instead she threw gas on the fire fanning the flames of animosity, hostility,anger, hate and bitterness.

    It's intent was successful evidenced by intolerant liberals on this thread.
    To say that Republicans do not consider women people is absurd... unless you simply wanted to be divisive. I was not suggesting how to treat woman, but that many men who are liberals and conservatives think woman are people. ( Neely accused conservatives of not thinking of woman as people)

    Since I was limited to 250 words, I could not address all that Ms Neely put forth, but Sharia accusation was extreme considering Sharia law requires that woman must cover their body from head to toe in public. It is so common that western women like Ms Clinton has worn scarves to cover themselves while visiting their countries. Since Sharia Law is the forth largest legal system in the world, it is not a minor concern.

    To suggest that conservatives would support a form of rape of woman is unbelievable to me... that anyone on this threat shares the same attitude and perception as Ms Neely speaks to their bizarre perception of reality.
    To link this controlling behavior to any group in USA in a light of what Sharia Law actually is is inexplicable... again unless you are simply attempting to do something politically to help your candidate. I was sincerely surprised that LNS allowed a guest columnist to write what she did.

    Freedom of speech only goes so far. Even Bin Laden's photos are not open for the public because of the claimed inflammatory nature and possible results. How insensitive and insulting liberals can be.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:34 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    If it would have kept us out of invading Iraq I would have certainly have chipped to get George Bush a bj. I always thought that Bush had doubts about his manhood by his consuming desire to be a "War President". Of course a Conservative Republican would think invading Iraq is preferable morally that getting a bj.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:44 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

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    Mr. Jameson expressed his opposition to the idea that there is a "right-wing assault on women."

    Think about the issues this way - those who oppose abortion and birth control wish to put an end to what "they" consider an abomination.

    Some consider abortion murder - certainly their right to think that - others consider this a personal choice, one that can only be made with the input of the pregnant woman, the father of the child, and her physician. At this level we will not get into the religious or moral implications.

    There are many religions that object to birth control - in this conflict - most vocally the Roman Catholic Church. That, also, is a personal choice. I am not here to "prove" that there is a large percentage of religious (including Catholic) women who have used some type of synthetic birth control. Polls/statistics show this to be the truth. Anyone is free to not believe this if they wish.

    These two issues are at the heart of the so-called "war on women." It is indisputable that many state legislatures (dominated by Republicans/conservatives) have passed or attempted to pass, laws that have put major roadblocks in the way of established rights, i.e., Roe v. Wade, giving women the legal right to obtain an abortion and the right to obtain and use birth control drugs and/or devices by contending that these devices kill a zygote.

    By extrapolation - these facts lead many to the conclusion that those MOST affected by these policies are women - therefore the "logical" conclusion is a "war on women."

    Women, if you are not one you can perhaps either NOT understand or find it difficult to empathize, have fought a long, hard fight during the past 40+ years to arrive at now established standards of "equality."

    If you have never been cornered in the stock room by a male co-worker who complains about his pregnant wife never "being in the mood," or have been told that you have a nice "behind," or "I love those pants," by a superior, you have no clue why women have fought tooth and nail to get where we are today - not where we should be, but no way are we willing to peddle backwards.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 5:25 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

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    Thank you Eric. Its a helpful laundry list.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 5:22 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mrb: Which one of those were president? Let's see: Billy Bob Clinton? I counter: Weiner, Spitzer, Patterson, Villaraigosa, Wu, Kilpatrick, Edwards, Dann, Mahoney, Dobbins, Goldschmidt, Reyonolds, Robb, Frank, Patton, Wise, Hart...need more??? JFK, LBJ, MLK, FDR...all presidents.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:57 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    There you go with that facts and logic thing again. Shame on you Joanne

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:50 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Jameson - I would ask you what gives you the impression that there are taxpayer dollars that pay for abortions? There is specific federal legislation that prohibits this. Most try to make the case that any funding for Planned Parenthood or similar organizations that provide birth control and other women's health services only aids these organizations by allowing them to somehow divert funds to cover abortion.

    In the state of Texas, a law was passed that prohibits any federal funds going to any organization that provides abortions, in effect defunding ALL PP clinics, even those that do not provide abortion services.

    As for birth control - I have read so many comments from individuals in this forum who believe that the ACA (Affordable Care Act) aka - Obamacare - will force taxpayers to pay for birth control.

    What the big hoo-haa a few months ago was really about was the clause that requires EMPLOYERS to INCLUDE prescription birth control coverage in their already existing health plan coverages. I have never personally encountered a health plan during my working career that did not include prescription coverage for birth control, including my 10 year stint at a company owned by St. Joseph's Medical Center - a Catholic institution - but I am sure there are employers who do not have this coverage.

    Health industry experts estimate that including prescription coverage for birth control in the average plan would increase the cost by $22 per year - an amount that would be absorbed by employers and/or employees, depending on the benefit arrangements of individual companies.

    Unfortunately, the Rush Limbaugh rant led people to believe that the cost of birth control was one that was to be borne by taxpayers. Churches were already exempt from this requirement and a "work-around" that was sort of acceptable to religious organizations was announced, i.e., insurance companies would pay for this coverage in the event that religious organizations such as schools, universities, etc., objected to having to pay for it, as is their right.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:38 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You will never have civility with most Conservative Republicans. They are acolytes of Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. I gave up trying years ago. I never start it and I give them two passes before I unload on them. I do that for two reasons. The first is that a bully, which most Conservative Republicans are, understand nothing else for it is how they get off. The second is the whining crying and complaining they do when they are given a dose of their own medicine. One almost feels like handing them a hankie. The point is that you are right that we should argue the issues of the day with logic , facts and civility. Sadly most Conservative Republicans view any disagreement with their view of reality as a personal attack and reply with any vicious thing that comes to their mind.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:22 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

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    Laura Bush had to endure her husband's history of drug abuse and the alcohol addiction he continued during their marriage. He was a failed businessman and an embarrassment to his family until Daddy's political cronies foisted him into the governors mansion in Texas and continued to groom him for the presidency.

    He was an embarrassment to the American people with the inability to even pronounce simple words correctly.

    Ronald Reagan called his wife "Mommy." Sounds like serious issues.

    George HW Bush - well - take one look at Barbara and tell me with all honesty that YOU would cross that bulldog.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:21 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You are right Pat. I will do whatever I can to remind people that Conservative Republicans like you think the Conservative Republican war on women is just as you say " a crock". That denial is just as important issue as the Conservative Republican war on women is. Please whatever Conservative Republicans do I hope they continue in their denial and shout it to the world.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:05 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Just as excellent as Mr. Kinderman's disgusting contribution from 5/2. You and Mr. Baumbach should be ashamed.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 4:04 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1479

    Patrick if you want to start throwing sex scandals around I got a few for you. I wont bore people with the gory details but if your honest with yourself you’ll check them out on your own.
    Mark Foley U.S. Representative

    Ted Haggard Leader of the National Association of Evangelicals

    Larry Craig U.S. Senator
    Senate Liason for Mitt Romney’s Presidential Campaign

    State Sen. Roy Ashburn (R-Bakersfield)

    Sen. John Ensign (R-NV)

    Former State Rep. Roland Corning (R-SC)

    State Rep. Bob Allen (R-FL)

    Gov. Mark Sanford (R-SC)

     
  • Ryan Jameson posted at 3:57 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Ryan Jameson Posts: 195

    In some respects I agree with Joanne Bobin here, although I would counter her argument by suggesting that if we are to remove federal funds from pregnancy help centers should we also not remove federal funds from handing out birth control and any form of abortion assistance? And in the case of the pregnancy being the result of the crime there are avenues of financial assistance through victims advocates. My refusal to be swayed that there is a right-wing assault on women is no different than your refusal to be swayed that there is no attack Joanne. The mud flinging continues....

    And I'm glad to see that Bobin has somewhat backed off her hypocritical ways by calling out Ms. Neely for using "hateful" language. It was a rallying cry in the wake of Gabby Giffords that we all ought to stop using vicious language and name calling...where are the rallies and cries out for civility here?

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:06 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    This cry reminds me of the feigned cry of victim after losing their lawsuit. BS.

    mrl stated: "As a Democrat I hope it continues till November." I am sure you will do your best to keep this crock going.

    mrh verberates: " let me say Darrell completely misses the point when he lists presidents like the Bush's and Reagan (married twice) who never encouraged or openly supported their wives to become senators or even secretarys of state. Now thats how you treat a lady." Oooooooooooooo...married twice!!!!!!!

    I don't think Nancy or Barbara or Laura tolerated their husbands having s e x with young women, men or prostitutes either. Billy Bob just couldn't stand not being in the limelight..or keeping his pants pulled up (like LBJ, JFK, MLK and the other liberal leaders). Billy Bob's greatest decisions were conservative ones...not liberal.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:24 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1414

    Let me repeat John Lucas who aptly said
    "Darrell Baumbach's campaign against facts, logic and reality continues" and let me say Darrell completely misses the point when he lists presidents like the Bush's and Reagan (married twice) who never encouraged or openly supported their wives to become senators or even secretarys of state. Now thats how you treat a lady.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:20 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    While I do not agree with Ms. Neeley's use of "Republican Sharia Law," since this seemed to divert attention away from the substance of her column by setting off all of the right-wingers' passions, it does not make the FACTS outlined in her column any less true.

    Many may not know that, as part of right-wing tactics to remove women's rights to a legal procedure, some states are requiring individuals seeking an abortion to receive counseling at a "prenancy resource center" prior to receiving an abortion. Counter to its neutral sounding name, these "resource centers" have the mission of convincing individuals NOT to have an abortion.

    If you have ever noticed the big billboard on the corner of Lodi Avenue and Cherokee Lane declaring "Hope is just ahead," you may have the perception of that same neutrality.

    This from the Pregnancy Resource Center of Lodi's website:

    "If you are thinking about abortion, please contact us before you make a final choice. We are here to help you sort through all of your questions and concerns. There is a lot to educate yourself on before you make a decision, and we are here to help you every step of the way. Abortion is not just a simple procedure; it may have many side effects. Abortion has been associated with preterm birth, emotional and psychological impact, and spiritual consequences."

    Google this - the fact that FEDERAL taxpayer dollars are used to finance these "resource centers" where many require ONLY people of faith to apply to work there. Conditions for employment include declaring faith in Jesus Christ, proof that one actually believes in Jesus Christ, and letters from a pastor certifying membership in his house of worship and his certification of the extent of one's faith.

    Separation of church and state?

    All who do not believe that there exists a right-wing plan to eliminate the rights that women have fought for and that have been won over the past 40+ years will not be swayed.

    I don't expect you to be swayed - I expect you to declare all to be false. In this you do a diservice to all women - even the ones you have declared to be of your same mindset.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 1:10 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1414

    Geez Andrew L
    I didn't know you were in league with the ACLU who have been fighting this bill. Congratulations by bringing this to a discussion on womens rights. I followed your wild goose chase and here is the facts:

    3 Sole Dissenters Against HR 347…

    The House vote tally which took place 02/28/12, was 338 for and 3 against. The three dissenters were Rep.Paul Broun R-Georgia, Rep. Justin Amash R-Michigan and Rep. Keith Ellison D-Minnesota. Rep. Ron Paul was reported earlier as having voted against the bill, but that was based on the original vote conducted 02/28/11. Rep. Ron Paul ABSTAINED on the final vote. (source: http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2012/h/73)

    Rep. Amash, a rising star in the Tea Party, explained his position on Facebook…

    …”Current law makes it illegal to enter or remain in an area where certain government officials (more particularly, those with Secret Service protection) will be visiting temporarily if and only if the person knows it’s illegal to enter the restricted area but does so anyway. The bill expands current law to make it a crime to enter or remain in an area where an official is visiting even if the person does not know it’s illegal to be in that area and has no reason to suspect its illegal. (It expands the law by changing “willfully and knowingly” to just “knowingly”...

    So it is not a democrate effort alone it is a suprisingly bipartisan effort to adjust similar existing law. Now can we get on with the discussion at hand and stop with the black helicopter, there goes our constitution alarmist sidebars. Talk about devisive.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 12:59 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

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    Andrew try to lighten up a little HR 347 simply clarifies a law that’s been on the books since 71. I agree that less government is better government but Ron Paul simply can't get enough support, it's a shame. I certainly would have voted for him, if for no other reason than his stand on foreign wars. If the right wants to reduce government that’s a pretty good place to start but the right doesn’t want to reduce government they simply want to reduce social programs.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:56 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

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    Mr. Musto wrote: "Great letter Darrell, liberals like Ms Neely will say anything without thinking, it's a trend used by the modern day Democrat to compare anyone who dares to disagree with them as belonging to the KKK, Taliban, etc."

    Yes, Mr. Musto, great letter if you are living in a Republican daydream where reality has been suspended.

    I wouldn't compare Republicans to the KKK - certainly Republicans are not lynching or burning crosses on the lawns of women who want to use birth control, obtain legal abortions, utilize the services of agencies that provide low cost health services, etc.

    Likewise, unlike the Taliban, they are not stoning these same women, nor are they chopping off limbs or whatever else the Taliban does.

    Instead they are attempting to legislate away these services by passing laws that make them difficult to obtain or not attainable at all, i.e., declaring that life begins at conception, thereby making abortion and many types of birth control illegal.

    Other laws in states like Virginia, while not outright making abortion illegal, make it compulsory for women to undergo ultrasounds before obtaining an abortion. Fortunately, due to political ambitions, Governor McDonnell backed off of the "transvaginal ultrasound" route and approved a bill that requires transdermal ultrasound instead.

    For those in this forum who have previously pooh-poohed the existence of the transvaginal ultrasound, I suggest using a tool called "Google" to check out the reality of this procedure in which a probe is inserted into a woman's birth canal in order to obtain an ultrasound image of the uterus and fetus.

    The point of this procedure is to compell those seeking an abortion to view the fetus in an attempt to either make them think twice about proceding with the abortion or to shame them by subjecting them to this unnecessary, invasive procedure.

    Your presumptive candidate, Mitt Romney, has declared on the campaign stump that he will eliminate Planned Parenthood. For those who keep crying "religious discrimination," this amounts to Romney using his office to legislate his religious beliefs, i.e., anti-abortion (flip-flops on this position not withstanding) and anti-birth control.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:16 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

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    yep just ask Joe Scarborough's wife and her Republican friends.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:13 pm on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I have to agree with you Jerome. I hope you and all your friends keep writing denying this war against women being waged by Conservative Republicans. Letters like Darrell's need to be posted coast to coast. You need to shout it to the rooftops that the things so accurately described by Ms Neely in your opinions are just figments of these "poor lithe darlin's" imagination. Yes, I stand corrected, this is an excellent letter. Way to go Darrell, keep it up.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:53 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

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    Excellent letter Mr. Baumbach.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:34 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The evisceration of our Constitution and Bill of Rights has been incremental and non-partisan.

    You may now face up to 10 years in prison with the passage of HR 347.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:28 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    As ugly as the assault on women is by Conservative Republicans, so accurately described by Ms Neely, is I cannot help but marvel at the denial that Conservative Republicans are in about this issue. As a Democrat I hope it continues till November. When they get clobbered at the polls maybe they will come to their senses.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:51 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Bingo

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 10:45 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1363

    Hhmmmmm..... the situations that Andrew lists actually occurred on a regular basis during the W. Bush administrations. Anyone at a campaign or event that carried signs counter to Bush or even wore shirts with an anti-Bush message were pulled by the secret service. It's true. You can look it up.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:30 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Darrell Baumbach's campaign against facts, logic and reality continues.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:16 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Obviously, conservative Republican women with blinders on, Mr. Nelson.

    Just because one denies something exists does not make it true.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:55 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach has obviously not read the news nor seen any televised news reports since he sincerely believes that the items listed in Ms. Neeley's column ABSOLUTELY do not exist.

    You, Mr. Baumbach, should be ashamed of yourself for writing this letter.

     
  • Charles Nelson posted at 9:47 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Charles Nelson Posts: 259

    My family is full of Conservative Republican women who would beg to differ. But, I'm glad you speak for women "Mike".

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 8:37 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    To those who want a change...KISS...keep it simple sir.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 8:36 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Much ado about nothing....from the left. Much ado about something...the right.

    To all of the BO supporters..."you ain't seen nothin' yet"

    DB: What the left is angry about is that we are angry...and they don't know what to do except yell louder, blame someone else and unleash the anarchists.

    JK: As always well written responses.

    I once knew a frog with a wart on it's butt...at the same time I knew a child who was hungry...guess who I helped. Cosmetics or substance (sustenance)?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:56 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Unfortunately, for many, awareness of the existence of HR 347 will only become apparent when they are arrested and charged under new Federal trespassing guidelines as they attempt to protest, display signs or disrupt any person or event of national significance.

    Simply standing with a bullhorn, holding up a sign, promoting a contentious message or even being on the grounds of a Secret Service secured event will now make it possible for the government to detain, arrest and charge those involved in these "disruptions" (even if you just happen to be passing through) with a felonious criminal act.

    HR 347 The Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011 will allow for the US government to effectively stifle protest and free speech.

    The fact that only three people in the House, all Republicans Paul Broun (R-GA), Justin Amash (R-MI) and Ron Paul (R-TX) and absolutely no Democrats, only shows just how both parties are just two sides of the same coin.

    This law comes at the heels of the US government having debated over whether or not to indefinitely detain US citizens and Attorney General Eric Holder- the Obama administration’s version of John Yoo, arguing that the President can assassinate US citizens without providing any evidence whatsoever to anyone.

    Free speech may very well soon be nothing but a distant relic of the past.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:53 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1479

    DB it's very generous of you to help out Ms. Neely by reprinting the most controversial parts of her letter the left thanks you for your help.
    As far as Obama's supporters being desperate I doubt it, even Karl Rove has come out stating that Obama has a substantial lead in the Electoral College. Check out Real Clear Politics the show Obama leading 253 to 170 Obama needs only 30% of the undecided voters to seal the deal while Romney pretty much would have to run the table also ever major polling group except for Gallup and Fox have Obama leading. Obama's favorable rating is back to 50% while Romney sits at 36%. There is desperation out there though I can tell by the shrillness of your hero Rush the huckster Limbo.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 7:21 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 541

    And as usual, Darrell provides not examples, only platitudes. He "feels" what is true, he doesn't need facts to show it is true.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 6:58 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Great letter Darrell, liberals like Ms Neely will say anything without thinking, it's a trend used by the modern day Democrat to compare anyone who dares to disagree with them as belonging to the KKK, Taliban, etc. You can tell if they are really angry for pointing out their lies and distortions when you get the "Rush Limbaugh" or "FOX News" rants.


    Liberals are all for free speech as long as it agrees with their point of view.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:18 am on Thu, May 3, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1363

    I think Ms. Neely was just expressing a deeply held and sincere belief that women are generally seen as less than a whole person by the republican party. She provided several examples in support of her position.

     

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Steve and Ed, you two are very wrong, If you are talking cars NOTHING beats the Jaguar XK120. I'll put the Jag FX Coupe supercharged again…

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Posted 5 hours ago by M. Doyle.

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Just for kicks: Hypothetically speaking, is it possible your god is a figment of your imagination, a fantasy crutch to assuage your fear of…

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Posted 5 hours ago by Thomas Heuer.

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Mr Nedderton, Thats it, we're done. You want to continue the insults that now include paranoia so we have nothing more to discuss. Thanks …

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Posted 5 hours ago by Jerome Kinderman.

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Sadly, but not all that surprisingly the only times I've found the garage at all useful was when a special event was going such as the bi-a…

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Posted 5 hours ago by Eric Barrow.

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Ed to each his own, enjoy your ride and have a good weekend.

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