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Posted: Monday, June 14, 2010 12:00 am

They fired my rocket (again) as I watched the news, May 25, and I saw that Sacramento has joined in with city leaders scared of the illegals.

This state has gotten itself into a money mess that has been enhanced by illegals working under the table, paying no taxes and using all of our resources they can get their hands on.

I meet illegals all the time. If you ask where the free help is, they can tell you the address and days free food and all services are being given away including medical, food stamps, churches that hide and give money and aid to known illegals.

The American people don't want them here, but the politicians who scream and holler about human rights and upchuck the old racism card figure they will get more votes from the families of the illegals whom they are protecting. Politicians make the laws and now they don't want to enforce the very laws they or their previous pals put into force.

When are we going to round up the illegals and send them back? Just because they snuck over here without getting caught, they think they have to right to our pity and pocketbooks. This junk about making them pay a fine (money they earned illegally) and then go stand in a line so we can feed and give them free health care is just a bunch of political crap. Once the elections are over, they just drop the issue due to one ignorant reason or another.

Park a bus in front of every ER and welfare office. Feed them until the bus is full and drive them to the border and just say, "Adios, amigos." If you think this is too harsh, apparently you haven't had a family member denied services or a job because there is no work for people who want to pay taxes.

The cops are just asking for ID on people that have already committed another crime and are already undesirable.

Ed Parks

Lodi

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28 comments:

  • posted at 4:21 am on Sun, Jun 20, 2010.

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    So Lodian,How many laws do you FEEL Illegals have to break before they become undesirable?

     
  • posted at 7:23 pm on Sat, Jun 19, 2010.

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    I see that Jerome is acting the victim again (10:39AM). YaWn.

     
  • posted at 7:22 pm on Sat, Jun 19, 2010.

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    Ed Parks: You said that the cops are just asking for ID on people that are already undesirable. What does that mean?

     
  • posted at 8:25 am on Thu, Jun 17, 2010.

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    This story was discussed on the A&G radio show this morning. They were absolutely inundaded with callers who are saying that they are no longer doing business in the city of Sacramento. Sounds like the Sacramento City Council is going to feel the consequences of what their "boycott" really means for themselves, and their city.

     
  • posted at 5:39 am on Tue, Jun 15, 2010.

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    election year, you also seem to think something should be done about bigots, but not those who actually break the law. I abhor bigotry in spite of the fact that I'm falsely and unfairly labeled as one nearly every day on this very forum. But what you need to understand that while entering this country without waiting in line like everyone else is a federal crime, bigotry is not."You need to control your emotions; they will be your undoing." (Mr. Spock, The Wrath of Khan) In other words election year, your passions would be better served if you addressed them to things that can actually be changed - bigoted people are free to be bigots. Of course this doesn't mean that you have to like them, but you're clearly wasting your time thinking that doing away with any law will eliminate bigotry.

     
  • posted at 5:00 am on Tue, Jun 15, 2010.

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    election wrote, "Profiling and abuse by law enforcement can be very subtle. Unless you are the victim of it, you have no idea how humiliating it can be."Your argument regarding racial profiling is paper thin; it couldn't hold a drop of water. You seem to suggest that because there will be some law enforcement officers who will engage in racial profiling that those here illegally should be given a pass. This is preposterous. Following your logic, no laws should be enforced because of the possibility of problems with the people entrusted to enforce them.Your anecdotal examples at 5:14 p.m. Monday are nothing more than histrionics by someone who simply wants to grant illegal aliens amnesty. Do things like this happen? Of course they do. But THIS law actually provides for harsh penalties for those who engage in such practices. What you appear to demand is Utopia - well I'm sorry election year, that will NEVER happen. As a result of your unrealistic desires, you still ignore the fact that this particular law actually has built into it remedies for those who are unfairly treated by law enforcement. Why is that?

     
  • posted at 2:44 am on Tue, Jun 15, 2010.

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    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2010/05/two-national-polls-show-arizona-immigration-law-very-popular.htmlArizona Immigration Law Has Broad Support Across U.S., New Polls Show As has been the case since last fall, the public is highly critical of Barack Obama's handling of immigration policy. Just 25% approve of the way Obama is handling the issue, while more than twice as many (54%) disapprove. That is little changed from last month (29% approve) and down slightly from last November (31%).

     
  • posted at 2:39 am on Tue, Jun 15, 2010.

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    Jerome,Leonard and Lodian seemed to have dropped off the face of the Earth.

     
  • posted at 2:33 am on Tue, Jun 15, 2010.

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    Many businesses here in the Phoenix metro area are already complaining they are losing money because they cater to Illegals from south of the border. One would think they would have set up their business to cater to a wider demographic of customers. It's nobody's fault but their own.

     
  • posted at 2:28 am on Tue, Jun 15, 2010.

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    Election year,Many Illegals have little regard for the laws of this country. Don't let the facts get in your way, though.

     
  • posted at 2:23 am on Tue, Jun 15, 2010.

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    Election year wrote:They support the law because they think that it is going to SOLVE something. It will not. It will only cause a greater tax burden on the citizens of AZ because SOMEONE has to pay for all of the additional judicial matters, incarceration, etc. Before it was up to the FEDS to pay. Now Arizonans will be paying the bill. -Chuckle,Since when has it NOT been taxpayers footing the bill for Illegals?

     
  • posted at 1:53 pm on Mon, Jun 14, 2010.

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    Ever wonder who is really raising all the racket about illegal immigration laws? It is the illegal aliens who are breaking the law, their families and friends. Maybe I will contact all bank robbers so we can protest the law against robbing banks banks so banks so banks can be robbed without consequences. If I can pull that off, I won't need to work any more.

     
  • posted at 12:14 pm on Mon, Jun 14, 2010.

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    Final comment: Profiling and abuse by law enforcement can be very subtle. Unless you are the victim of it, you have no idea how humiliating it can be.If you are stopped for a moving violation, the only interaction between you and the officer should be: reason for stopping, asking for ID, registration, insurance, and issuing the ticket if the officer so desires. The average law enforcement officer (LPD, CHP) cannot resist making some snide comments. For example, a friend was stopped for going 40 in a 35 zone (Kettleman Lane by Mervyn's - highly sensitive area for LPD for obvious reasons). The officer demanded to know where she was going, yelled at her for going 5 miles over the limit, and told her that speeding was equivalent to drunk driving. This same young lady was pulled over on I5 for having a tail light out. The CHP officer told her she was going to end up in jail one day because she had tatoos, because everyone knows tatooed people are all criminals. Total abuse. Happens every day. She's Caucasian - imagine if she had been Hispanic.

     
  • posted at 12:00 pm on Mon, Jun 14, 2010.

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    Jerome: I'm not confused at all. My position is not that of most of the posters here who are clearly bigoted, especially one whom seems to want all Hispanics out of her sight immediately, never mind those who are illegal. They support the law because they think that it is going to SOLVE something. It will not. It will only cause a greater tax burden on the citizens of AZ because SOMEONE has to pay for all of the additional judicial matters, incarceration, etc. Before it was up to the FEDS to pay. Now Arizonans will be paying the bill. The law, at least in my simplistic understanding of it, says that if a citizen believes that law enforcement is not enforcing the law, then that citizen can sue the law enforcement agency. My contention is that the average citizen will not worry about "reasonable cause." They will demand that anyone THEY, personally, suspect of being illegal (profiling) should be questioned. If law enforcement refuses, they will sue.

     
  • posted at 10:50 am on Mon, Jun 14, 2010.

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    Remember, there is nothing wrong with profiling, it is a construct by the elites and has taken on a life of its own. For my basketball team ? Darn right I am going to profile. Looking for someone to blow themselves up?........

     
  • posted at 9:49 am on Mon, Jun 14, 2010.

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    election year wrote, "I believe that every person should be able to produce ID that shows they are either a citizen or here legally. The problem is, that with added pressure from this law spurred by potential lawsuits, profiling abuses will occur."What "added pressure"; on whom? I would think because of the assurance of lawsuits law enforcement would learn to think twice before acting. You also say that the law will solve nothing. Well, at least the State of Arizona is trying to do something that the federal government has refused to do for decades. Most of us understand that since securing the borders IS a federal matter, Arizona was only trying to get them down from the post and DO SOMETHING.And yes, profiling abuses will occur. There's nothing new about that. But once again, this new law goes beyond the federal law where it would take direct aim at those law enforcement officers who DO violate it by engaging in illegal profiling.Your recent post reveals someone who isn't so angry anymore: no name calling, no shouting. Why is that? Rhetorical question; no need to answer.

     
  • posted at 9:21 am on Mon, Jun 14, 2010.

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    Election Year, you are absolutely correct! You never said the laws were bad. That's my precise point. Yet you insist that Hispanics are more fearful because of the law recently passed in Arizona.Let me quote you again: "If any one of you bigots out there had ever been treated as a second class citizen for no reason by law enforcement you would have a totally different opinion about the fears that Hispanics have about the AZ law." You misguidedly point to a law that (what I assume to be ALL Hispanics, regardless of their status) they fear - not the few rogue law enforcement officers who may violate it due to their own prejudices. I would think then that you would support this latest attempt to solve the problem that provides for severe penalties for any law enforcement officials who disobey it.But as you appear lost in your own confusion, you call others bigots and hateful because we DO agree with the law and the need to secure the borders AND go after employers who exploit those who work here illegally. Could it be your own hatred that drives you?

     
  • posted at 8:34 am on Mon, Jun 14, 2010.

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    Jerome: I never said the law was bad, it duplicates Federal law already in place and adds a burden to the AZ law enforcement/correctional systems. Also, court systems will potentially be backed up by citizens who want to sue law enforcement for not enforcing the law.This does not solve anything, but adds additional layers of cost for the taxpayers of Arizona.I believe that every person should be able to produce ID that shows they are either a citizen or here legally. The problem is, that with added pressure from this law spurred by potential lawsuits, profiling abuses will occur.Although the police officers' associations in AZ support the law, the police chiefs' association does not because they foresee the bureaucratic nightmares and tax burdens it creates.Cracking down on the employers who hire illegals is crucial...if they can't hire them it will reduce the incentives to cross the border illegally. But this whole issue has an even greater impact...yes, some illegals do cost the states $ in social services...but keep in mind that US immigration policies have always been based on OUR economic needs, not the needs of immigrants.

     
  • posted at 6:19 am on Mon, Jun 14, 2010.

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    You want lies and hate speech, July 14, 2008, Obama pandering to the racist "La Raza" organization at their convention, "when communities are terrorized by ICE immigration raids, when nursing mothers are torn from their babies...." Progressive race baiting at its finest, referring to ICE agents as "terrorists", demonizing the very people sworn to protect this country from the invasion of illegals. This Obama regime will do nothing to help stem the tide, it shows by attacking the citizens of Arizona who are trying to defend their homes and communities. BO allows his puppet Calderon to address the congress on human rights violations in OUR country, good to see the progressives give him a standing "O".

     
  • posted at 5:10 am on Mon, Jun 14, 2010.

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    T & C...I just stumbled across this. Take a look and see what you think.http://www.sacbee.com/2010/06/14/2820092/dan-walters-viral-e-mail-on-illegal.html

     
  • posted at 5:08 am on Mon, Jun 14, 2010.

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    The only point that election year has made that I agree with is his question about those who hire those who have entered the country illegally. Of course this is a problem; and just like securing the borders, it must be addressed before we can effectively deal with those who continue to break the law simply by being here illegally.However, this has little to do with the laws that he seems to think are so bad. In response to another LNS-LTE (http://tinyurl.com/253smrd), he finally hit the nail on the regarding the truth surrounding the controversy. In short, he appears a tad mixed up as he stated, "If any one of you bigots out there had ever been treated as a second class citizen for no reason by law enforcement you would have a totally different opinion about the fears that Hispanics have about the AZ law." Obviously, it isn't the law he takes issue with; but the way law enforcement treats people. From that comment I take it that he believes ALL police officers treat Hispanics terribly. While there are some who do, they are few and should be dealt with severely.

     
  • posted at 4:19 am on Mon, Jun 14, 2010.

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    election year, I agree with your comment. Ed is apparently using every stereotype in the book to generalize this group of people. Ed, I can understand your frustration but before talking you should get your facts straight. There are many undocumented immigrants who speak English, work hard, and aren't on welfare. However, you most likely wouldnt be able to identify them because they dont fit into your stereotype of what an illegal is. Oh and newsflash- they're taxpayers like you and I. Thats what an iTin is for.

     
  • posted at 4:00 am on Mon, Jun 14, 2010.

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    I don't see what the fuss is all about Arizona enforcing America's immigration Laws. California has the same law!SECTION 834b - California Penal Code(a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws.So why all the fuss? One reason is that thos legal hispanics in America who have "Illegal Relatives" living in their homes" don't want them to have to go go back home.Maybe all the California hispanics wanting to boycot Arizona should "Boycot California as well"? Now theres an idea!

     
  • posted at 3:57 am on Mon, Jun 14, 2010.

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    Thank you for the thoughts to contemplate on election year.

     
  • posted at 3:08 am on Mon, Jun 14, 2010.

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    EMPATHY for illegals is draining our resources and costing working American taxpayers millions of dollars. I supported my family with no help from government agencies and only had ONE child because at the time that is all I could afford. Illegals don't care how many babies they have because the "generious Americans{" will help support them through entitlement programs. There are laws on California books that read almost verbatim to the one Arizond just passed, California chooses not to enforce them. They need to start enforcing the laws on illegal aliens NOW. If I ignore a law, I wind up in jail. They ignore a law and get re-elected...Go figure.

     
  • posted at 1:41 am on Mon, Jun 14, 2010.

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    I wish Arnold would stop ALL welfare benefits. Then they would leave. No reason we should have to pick up the tab for their brats. Take them back to Mexico and let them become drug dealers there. We don't want them here or the parents. If you want to get rid of the birds in your back yard, take away their food supply and they will move on. Same with these illegals. Take away the free services and they will leave. If they want to stay they should do it the way so many others before them have done. But first, speak English. I am tired of hearing them. If they love speaking spanish, go to mexico. Quit making Lodi look like mexico. I am so grateful our neighborhood has no signs of them around. The eastside is full of illegals and gangs and drugs and violence. i feel sorry for the decent people who live there.

     
  • posted at 1:14 am on Mon, Jun 14, 2010.

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    I see no hate in this letter. Only an ignorant fool would call the truth - Hate. But hey that is they the progressives have devolved down to - ignorant pandering fools who base decisions on emotions and not facts. The state of CA is a direct result of living in the progressive fantasy land where everything is free and no one will ever pay the costs. Well guess what the costs are high and they are now coming due. This state had a chance with Prop 187, but that Weasel Davis allowed the opinion of ONE biased judge to strike down the will of 67% of the voters. He should be in prison for failing to do his job.

     
  • posted at 12:33 am on Mon, Jun 14, 2010.

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    Just where does Ed Parks hang out that forces these constant encounters with illegals? (Why doesn't he turn them in since he knows they are illegal?)And apparently he must also speak Spanish since he communicates with them...because we all know that they don't speak English. Maybe Ed is one of those employers who knowingly hires illegals, further enabling their ability to steal everything they possibly can get their hands on?This letter is full of hate and simply repeats every stereotype that Mr. Parks has ever heard or read about illegals.This letter is an embarassing representation of our community by showing so much ignorance in such a short amount of space.

     

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