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Letter: Intolerance and bullying should never be acceptable

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Posted: Saturday, April 12, 2014 12:00 am

Mozilla Corporation’s newly appointed CEO, Brendan Eich, stepped down shortly after starting his new job because of the angry response of gay rights activists over his $1,000 donation to the Proposition 8 campaign.

Mr. Eich is a citizen of the United States of America, where we’re guaranteed (at least used to be guaranteed) the freedom of speech. He used his personal funds to support a cause he personally believed in. It had nothing to do with Mozilla Corporation. Mr. Eich is a private citizen who was just exercising his right to follow his conscience, and because he did so he was forced to resign.

The LGBT/gay rights movement whines about the bullying that gay people endure. Well, who are the bullies now? Mr. Eich was forced to resign, Craig James was fired as a football commentator from Fox Sports because he stated his support for traditional marriage when he was running for the U.S. Senate in Texas, and Chick-fil-A was under a firestorm because its owners support traditional marriage, as was Phil Robertson of “Duck Dynasty” fame. The gay rights movement is engaging in the very same behavior they find so reprehensible. However, when they are on the other side of the bullying, they justify their actions as being necessary for their cause. Bullying is wrong on both sides of the issue.

America is no longer the land where individuals can express their opinions and follow their consciences. Well, they can as long they agree with the pro-gay agenda or what the progressives determine is politically correct. If an individual holds a differing view from the “left,” he or she can lose their jobs or be bullied with names like homophobic, intolerant or hateful. There’s absolutely zero tolerance for those who believe gay marriage is wrong.

Again, the very behavior the LGBT/gay marriage camp say they abhor (intolerance) is the very behavior they are engaged in. The America we now find ourselves in is degenerating into a fascist state that is being ruled with an iron fist by the progressive liberal and LGBT emperors.

Pastor Frank Nolton

New Hope Community Church

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  • Christina Welch posted at 4:56 pm on Wed, Apr 16, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 462

    Comment on an item briefly, yes, I can see that with your 4301 posts...

    Oh, and of course you're not here to grade term papers, just other people's grammer [sic], spelling, etc....

    As for your ending comment--huh? If it was meant for other "you people" that is exactly what you would've said. You are always quite clear about your thoughts--your "explanation" of that jab towards me just doesn't hold water, I'm afraid. Nice try.

    You're right, Ms Bobin, you are the perfect commenter on here and I am so sorry that my occasional comments are so bothersome for you.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:15 am on Wed, Apr 16, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Unfortunately, it's not that it is done, but how it is done and only to two people that I am aware of - myself and Andrew Liebich.

    I don't put myself out here as an expert on everything - I simply comment on an item briefly - no need for long explanations - if someone cares to check it out, fine - after doing some fact checking, which seems to always be a problem for you. I'm not here to grade term papers as you seem to think is necessary in this informal forum.

    As for, "Do a search for these ads and see for yourself. You (editorially) may agree with their viewpoints."

    I intentionally added the (editorially) for your benefit because I did not intend "you" to mean YOU personally - it was meant to be directed at the plural "you" - as in "you people," i.e., others who may be curious as to the content of the ads.

  • Walter Chang posted at 5:28 pm on Tue, Apr 15, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 1191



  • Christina Welch posted at 4:00 pm on Tue, Apr 15, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 462 appears they chose not to post my comment from earlier today; seems I'm a victim of censorship, too... Let me rephrase my comment:

    "Astonishing that the self-appointed line judge for veracity in this forum (but only for CERTAIN individuals) is "not quite sure."

    Why would it be astonishing for one who addresses historic references in this forum to honestly admit she doesn't have a clue about something? Isn't that better than pretending I do know something when in fact I don't? This forum is full of individuals who all espouse their own views of the truth and who regularly critique others for their own truths. Everyone on here is correcting everyone else, and the two cents I usually put in is only to set the historic record straight; I try to never judge one's personal opinion, unlike a lot of the mudslinging done here. It's ironic that you would condemn me for what takes place here all the time. Or, it is typical and to be expected, I suppose, considering your attitude towards me...

    "Do a search for these ads and see for yourself. You (editorially) may agree with their viewpoints."

    Now, how am I to take this comment? Did I not just agree with Walter earlier? What have I ever said to make anyone think that I am a homophobic and intolerant person? I think to most it's pretty clear that I support civil rights for all, when one reads my other posts. It's either just crazy or mean for you to say such a thing.

    There, Simon, I chose my words very carefully...


  • Christina Welch posted at 1:13 pm on Tue, Apr 15, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 462

    Just a note--My thumbs up was for Eric's post from Monday Apr 14th at 1pm, not Mr Kinderman's snotty reply from 4:02 pm. When I read this last night, Mr Kinderman's post wasn't even on there. Not sure how it posted incorrectly... But, I agree with Eric, not Jerome.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:59 am on Tue, Apr 15, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Nothing more than a "software company" estimated worth of 6 Billion.

    Nothing, of course, compared to Microsoft - but currently getting about the same market share of Internet Explorer.

    Dangerous time for any controversy generated by the "wrong politics."

    Hey - this is America. Companies cannot afford controversies like Eich to ruin their growth. Eich can express his First Amendment rights just as a corporation, according to the Supreme Court, can express its First Amendment rights. As in many cases, the corporation won over the individual.

  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:51 am on Tue, Apr 15, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1604

    I use Mozilla all the time, my mistake, I'm glad to know that the CEO of my favorite search engine is not homophobic. thanks for the heads up.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:47 am on Tue, Apr 15, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Personally, I love Firefox since it allows me to run many online streaming programs like Xfinity and Netflix without any interruptions and frequent stalls like Internet Explorer does.

    Since some people dislike our government, maybe that is why they support Internet Explorer, because Microsoft was sued under the Sherman Anti-trust Act for the monopoly it had on the distribution of IE as the SOLE web browser available with their operating system.

    As far as Mr. Eich is concerned, one must admit that the man backed down so quickly after the uproar over his contributions to Prop 8 that it was obvious he needed to remove himself from the spotlight ASAP - maybe before other revelations about his personal views and politics could be revealed?

    Otherwise, I can't imagine why he wouldn't put his foot down and fight for the right to hold his personal views. After all, can one imagine Bill Gates glibly standing down if there was an uproar over HIS personal views or controversy over what the Gates Foundation stands for? I seriously doubt it.

  • Kevin Paglia posted at 8:13 am on Tue, Apr 15, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2116

    Eric, I remember a while back when a gun issue came up and I mentioned that I boycott K-Mart due to their spokeswoman (Rosie O'Donnell) strong anti-gun stance and ambushing gun rights activists on her show (shows how long ago this was). I was then attacked by Lodian for "punishing" a business for the comments of someone who had no say in the business.

    Likewise I boycott Jake in the Box for what I considered VERY poor taste commercials involving bombing the CEO's involved in "ousting" Jake. This was when the Unibomber had recently attacked several CEO's.

    Personally I think every individual has the right to take a stand for what they believe in, whether it is with their dollars, their words or their feet (walking away).

  • Christina Welch posted at 9:08 pm on Mon, Apr 14, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 462


  • Walter Chang posted at 4:51 pm on Mon, Apr 14, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 1191

    "Personally, I hate..."

    A. Firefox.

    B. Different orientations.

    C. People with sex lives.

    D. Stimulated hackels.

    E. All of above.


  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 4:02 pm on Mon, Apr 14, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    I suppose that one little ol' "z" is a bit confusing, huh? Of all the letters of our alphabet, it along with "q" are probably the least used. But there is a big difference between Amazon and Mozilla.

  • Eric Barrow posted at 2:52 pm on Mon, Apr 14, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1604

    There are plenty of businesses that I don't patronize due to the owners desire to wear their politics on their sleeve. Sometime it's political messaging through posters or articles displayed at the business site or it might be where a business decides to advertise. That's the chance a business takes when they decide to openly take sides and make their business a soapbox for their ideology.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:45 pm on Mon, Apr 14, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "I'm not quite sure what Mozilla is,"

    Astonishing that the self-appointed line judge for veracity in this forum (but only for CERTAIN individuals) is "not quite sure."

    The controversy over Eich (who is the developer of Javascript programming language and the co-founder of Mozilla - an off-shoot of Netscape - and the company that developed the Firefox web browser) is not so much what he thinks about same-sex marriage.

    It has more to do with the fact that he contributed the funds to the Prop 8 campaign very close to the election when he was fully aware of the type of ADS that the pro-Prop 8 campaign was running.

    The ads, by the way, were full of misinformation and DISINFORMATION that contended that same-sex couples deliberately recruit children to adopt their sexual orientation (i.e., "turn them gay), that children would have to be taught about same-sex marriage and homosexuality in school at a very young age, and children of same-sex couples would be teaching their kids that marriage had nothing to do with procreation (among other false and slanted claims).

    Do a search for these ads and see for yourself. You (editorially) may agree with their viewpoints.

  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:00 pm on Mon, Apr 14, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1604

    I routinely vote with my wallet as do many others and Amazon probably decided it wasn't a good business move to keep Mr. Eich as CEO. Of course Mr. Eich did nothing wrong he is free to spend his money on what he pleases and those who would boycott Amazon because of who they employ are free to do as they choose.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:13 am on Mon, Apr 14, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    Mozilla is nothing more than a software company. Their main product is their web browser, Fire Fox. They also have an e-mail client. Personally, I hate Fire Fox - Internet Explorer is my preference.

    But one thing Mozilla is not is a homosexual company. And neither is it a heterosexual company; nor is it a polygamist company. While I am sure they employ people of different orientations, the company is not defined by anyone's sexual preferences. Their demographics consist of all kinds of people who are looking for certain software products that fit their needs - nothing more; nothing less.

    Frankly, I am sick and tired of this nonsense where people's sex lives define who or even what they are. It used to be that most decent folks wanted the government out of their bedrooms. Now it seems they want everyone to watch and cheer them on.

    Whatever happened to common sense and common decency?

  • Christina Welch posted at 3:58 pm on Sun, Apr 13, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 462

    Well said, Walter. In my experiences with teenagers, I see exactly the same things. I'm not quite sure what Mozilla is, but I have heard them talk about it to their friends, many of whom are gay and lesbian. I think this was an issue of a wise business decision rather than bullying. I'm actually surprised this Mozilla company would've appointed him in the first place, considering their demographic.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 5:27 pm on Sat, Apr 12, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    While I agree that bullying should never be tolerated, I don't necessarily believe that intolerance should never be tolerated. Bullying, by definition leaves someone harmed - either physically or emotionally. Intolerance however, doesn't always leave the same result.

    Here we had a man - who for whatever reason - chooses to believe that marriage should be reserved to one man and one woman. I'm not sure why Mr. Eich chose to donate $1,000.00 of his own money toward the support of California's Proposition 8, but in doing so he did absolutely NOTHING wrong - nothing. In fact, shortly before his donations were made, the President of the United States was still on record as believing that marriage should be reserved between one man and one woman. Of course on May 9, 2012 he thought ". . .it . . . important for [him] to go ahead and affirm that [he] [thought] same sex couples should be able to get married." Hardly a rousing affirmation - but nevertheless he thought it was time for him to go ahead and change his mind about the whole deal. Why?

    Well, if one were to fall for his entire reasoning that: "I have to tell you that over the course of several years as I have talked to friends and family and neighbors when I think about members of my own staff who are in incredibly committed monogamous relationships, same-sex relationships, who are raising kids together, when I think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf and yet feel constrained, even now that Don't Ask Don't Tell is gone, because they are not able to commit themselves in a marriage, at a certain point I've just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get married," I'm still not entirely sure why he altered his position. But hold on - could it possibly have been because in less than six months an election was to be held? Nah! Political expediency; this president? Who would have ever thunk it?

    Getting back to Mr. Eich, there's no doubt he was under extreme pressure to do one of two things as far as his job and his beliefs were concerned: he had to choose. And choose he did! From my point of view this good and decent man (by all accounts) decided to give up a very important and lucrative position within a company that he dearly cared about and was instrumental in leading to great success rather than cave into stating something that he simply didn't believe.

    That's character; this is integrity! This is the kind of person we need at the helm of corporations and nations - not those who waffle; who wet their fingers and hold them up to determine the direction of the political winds.

    Was he "bullied" into resigning? I would think he decided quickly; I don't think he waited one minute before deciding what was right for him to do. He knew that the only way he might be able to save his job - but at the same time give up his character and integrity - would be to offer some sort of mea culpa and "apologize" for donating money to keeping marriage between one man and one woman in California. No - he wasn't bullied at all. He just did what he had to do.

    You see, at first all the homosexual agenda was asking for was a little tolerance. You know, a live and let live kind of thing. But how quickly that morphed into insisting that their way of life should be accepted by all. And now we have the notion that their sexual orientation ought to be celebrated - maybe even a "Gay Rights History Month" could be in the offing. President Obama has his pen and his phone - what better way to use them, eh? But Mr. Eich chose not to tolerate any of that intolerance to what he believed. We had an "intolerance vs. intolerance" sort of battle on hand.

    So who won here? The liberal/progressive left would have us think that since they drove him away from holding a prestigious position in a company he helped to create they are the victors; we won, we won, we won!!! But where they failed was to bully this man into publicly changing his mind about something as important to him as the definition of marriage without much of a fight. And while he's a better man for it - and his family and friends should be aptly proud - Mozilla lost a great leader. Well, I've always been an Internet Explorer fan anyway.

  • Walter Chang posted at 4:56 pm on Sat, Apr 12, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 1191

    "his $1,000 donation"

    Folks, every 4 weeks or so "Pastor" Frank submits a letter (think: anti-homosexual rant). This time he doesn't even bother to quote scripture or mention God. He just passes along misinformation and fabrications.

    Brendan Eich was outspoken (think: anti-homosexual ranter).

    Tech savvy and digitally connected youth are really picky about their browsers and the companies that provide them. They want the companies that they support to reflect their values and reality. Values more inline with their experiences gathered from living and working in the real world (think: not Lodi). They all have friends and acquaintances, family members, co-workers, clients, customers, neighbors, bosses etc., that are nice normal functioning adults in every way... and they're homosexual too!

    The "Pastor" wants you to believe the GLBT community drove Eich out.

    Not true, this up and coming generation of Americans did (think: the future).

    They're intelligent, informed and involved, not clueless...

    And overwhelmingly Democrat!!



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