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Posted: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:00 am

This is an open letter to Gov. Jerry Brown: Well, governor, hang on to your hat for what I am about to tell you. You asked for and received a tax increase. You shifted the cost of incarceration from the state to county responsibility — a lot of money is saved by doing so. The legislature wants to spend all this money like a kid in a candy store. And now you shove the twin tunnels down our throat and the cost of high-speed rail misrepresented.

It’s time to put state government back in the control of taxpaying citizens. Let them decide without interference from federal judges.

Water for Southern California and the large corporate farmers certainly has more political backing in Southern California than there is in the Central Valley. Why are the politicians bullying the voters and spending tax money without voters’ consent?

Mayor Johnson, with the new Kings arena, is another sign of bullying. Johnson saying the people have no right to object to millions of dollars in new taxes — using parking fees that they don’t have a right to, that taxpayers pay — is wrong

Gov. Brown and Mayor Johnson, stop being bullies and using the legal system to circumvent the taxpayers of California.

Ben Coleman

Lodi

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37 comments:

  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:39 pm on Mon, Feb 3, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1339

    My mistake I thought from your previous statements that you were defending Fox, talk about lemmings conservatives seem to be the only small rodents who are willing to run towards a fox. Once again (it gets quite tedious) John and Joanne have provided many samples of successful liberal policies I support both their choices and again (and it's also tedious) you chose not to debate them. It is laughable that you would ask for examples receive them and then ignore them, what exactly is your purpose of posting your questions anyway.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:01 am on Mon, Feb 3, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4305

    How can you comment when you don't even KNOW what "progressive" means?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:00 am on Mon, Feb 3, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4305

    Apparently, Baxxter, you don't read it, and most like had to Google it to find out what type of publication it is - as in it deals mostly with culture, not politics.

    But I can see that Baxxter most likely BELIEVES that politics is culture, especially since he cannot distinguish between a social issue (abortion) and what he perceives to be a criminal issue.

    For someone who consistently is RAVING about people NOT following the Constitution, he thinks he gets to pick and choose which constitutional issues he supports.

    Chuckle.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:14 am on Mon, Feb 3, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1792

    Bobbin, The Atlantic isn't liberal? Ok, I will go along with that, to a point. The Atlantic is "progressive" in political views and ANTI-CONSERVATIVE. That make you happy?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:58 am on Mon, Feb 3, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1792

    The ORIGINAL claim by Walter Chang was that FOX was losing viewrs, no age group mentioned. That statement is patently false. FOX has seen a double digit rise in their audience. One month of lower viership by a younger audience does not make a trend, regardless of how liberals wish it so or spin it.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:12 pm on Sun, Feb 2, 2014.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Social Security, Medicare, Snap, Chip, GI Bill, Pell Grants, building of the interstate system, student loans, head start and of course Obamacare though Obamacare is really a Republican idea. This is just at the top of my head.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:22 am on Sun, Feb 2, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2740

    Ms. Bobbin stated:


    So you are saying that NO PUBLICATION BUT A RIGHT WING ONE CAN REPORT ON THE VIEWERSHIP OF FOX NEWS because otherwise they are biased?

    -Chuckle,

    What part of 'Liberals are biased' and 'Conservatives are biased' don't you understand, Ms. Bobbin?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 12:35 pm on Sat, Feb 1, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1792

    Mr. Barrow posted: "Sorry Joe anyone as brainwashed by Fox as yourself is not prepared to listen to unbiased information. Many on this site including myself have given you examples of successful liberal programs".
    First off, I very seldom watch FOX, secondly WHAT unbiased information? You left wing loonies are always spouting your liberal propaganda yet you claim it is UNBIASED? Hogwash is a perfect name for what I read from the liberal lemmings posting on this site.
    Still waiting for your list of SUCCESSFUL liberal programs.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:50 am on Sat, Feb 1, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1792

    Bobbin posted "The Atlantic is "liberal?" Could have fooled me. "
    The Atlantic is VERY liberal, apparently you are easily fooled.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:53 am on Sat, Feb 1, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4305

    Baxxter wrote: "Bobbin, you can't find a publication with absolutely NO political bias, right or left, that states FoxNews viewership can you?"

    If this wasn't so pathetic, it would actually be funny.

    1. The Atlantic is not a political publication.
    2. There is no evidence that it is a LEFT leaning publication.
    3. The article stated that FOX News is losing YOUNGER viewers, while older viewers are turning to FOX (average FOX viewer age of 68).

    Conclusion: Younger people are getting wise to the FOX rhetoric and OLDER people are satisfied to let FOX do the thinking for them - especially if the daily dose of baloney fits their already preconceived notions.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:21 am on Sat, Feb 1, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1792

    Eric, where is your list of successful liberal programs?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:24 pm on Fri, Jan 31, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1792

    Bobbin, you can't find a publication with absolutely NO political bias, right or left, that states FoxNews viewership can you? I posted 2 unpolitical publications that shows FoxNews is NOT only declining but is gaining and is so far ahead in ratings over the liberal blather chanels it is pathetic and you still don't believe it. That's Ok Bobbin, you just keep drinking the political propaganda kook aid, it suits your well.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:16 pm on Fri, Jan 31, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1792

    Mr. Barrow posted: “Mr. Baxter successful Liberal programs have been discussed well and often on this site yet you still seem unable to understand them.”
    Just as I figured, you can't come up with any SUCCESSFUL liberal programs and offer the typical liberal runaround. I am not the least bit surprised. Liberals are so gullible.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 2:48 pm on Fri, Jan 31, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1339

    Great I know you are but what am I comeback kind of a Pee Wee Herman thing you got going there of course he was an adult playing a child instead of just being childish.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:36 pm on Fri, Jan 31, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4305

    Baxxter wrote: "Bobbin, really, The Atlantic? You can't get much more liberal that that. What part of the word UN-BIASED do you not comprehend?"

    The Atlantic is "liberal?" Could have fooled me. YOU most likely had to Google it because you had never heard of it before!

    So you are saying that NO PUBLICATION BUT A RIGHT WING ONE CAN REPORT ON THE VIEWERSHIP OF FOX NEWS because otherwise they are biased?

    HAHAHAHAHAHA

    That HAS to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. What world do you live in?

    And YOU pressed for an answer on the FOX News viewership question. Does it really matter who gives you your answer?

    BTW - the information YOU provided below is EXACTLY the same as the information I provided from The Atlantic. DUH!

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:30 am on Fri, Jan 31, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1339

    Sorry Joe anyone as brainwashed by Fox as yourself is not prepared to listen to unbiased information. Many on this site including myself have given you examples of successful liberal programs. When you can no longer counter their arguments all we receive is your eloquent response of hogwash, it's pointless. All that is left to do at this point is defeat the extremist right politically and the tea partiers are taking care of that by imploding all on their own.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:49 am on Fri, Jan 31, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1339

    Mr. Baxter successful Liberal programs have been discussed well and often on this site yet you still seem unable to understand them. I see no reason to continue in convincing you of their success you are either unwilling or unable to except reality. Also you seem unwilling to defend any claims you make yourself. You most often respond with the highly intelligent response of hogwash or you attempt to change the subject. I for one am no longer interested in convincing right wingnuts of reality and am satisfied by defeating them in the political arena. Never fear however I will be available to shine a light on the faulty ideology of those on the right and call them out for their ignorance when appropriate.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:42 am on Thu, Jan 30, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1792

    Bobbin, want the ACTUAL ratings for cable news shows as of 1-28-14?
    Take a look and get yourself educated by facts, not liberal blather.
    http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2014/01/29/cable-news-ratings-for-tuesday-january-28-2014/232846/
    You can continue to believe the liberal propaganda, I prefer to find out the TRUTH.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:39 am on Thu, Jan 30, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1792

    From a TVNEWSER article that has NO political affiliation:
    May 2013 Ratings: Fox News Gains Total Viewers, Loses Younger Viewers
    Fox News maintained its dominant position atop the cable news leaderboard in May, posting its highest-rated month since last November in both Total Viewers and primetime. But despite double digit gains in Total Viewers, the network was down in the A25-54 demo for the month.
    "For the monty" does not a trend make regardless of how liberals would wish it so. Even if FoxNews lost 50% of their viewers they would still be way ahead of MSNBC & CNN. You might want to get your facts before you open your lip.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:21 am on Thu, Jan 30, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1792

    I am sure the DEMOCRAT millionaire farmers love them as well.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:20 am on Thu, Jan 30, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1792

    Mr. Barrow made the claim yet you feel obligated to answer for him. What's the matter, don't you think Mr. Barrow is capable enough? Shame on you.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:11 am on Thu, Jan 30, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1792

    Bobbin, really, The Atlantic? You can't get much more liberal that that. What part of the word UN-BIASED do you not comprehend?
    Again, you feel obligated to answer someone else's question. Wonder why that is?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:05 am on Thu, Jan 30, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1792

    Narcisstic blather? Why, Bobbin,. EXCELLENT discription of Obama's SOTU speach the other night.
    Every president has speech writers. The fact that the speech was written for Bush and Obama used it in his speech makes it plagiarism, pure and simple.
    Bush had as much to do with writing his SOTU speech as Obama did when he spoke. Difference was Bush's speech didn't plagarize anyone. Liberals accuse their competition of plagiarism frequently, but when they get accused, you get responses like the one Bobbin posted. Hogwash.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 10:15 am on Thu, Jan 30, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1792

    Apparently TV viewers are now more interested in the filth they call entertainment, like Two Broke Girls, who can't seem to say "vagina" and "penis" enough in a half an hour, than what is actually going on in America and the world.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:34 am on Thu, Jan 30, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4305

    Here you go, Baxxter: From "The Atlantic"

    "Fox News is losing younger viewers at an even faster rate than its competitors. With a median viewer age now at 68 according to Nielsen data through mid-January (compared with 60 for MSNBC and CNN, and 62 to 64 for the broadcast networks), Fox is in essence a retirement community ... If it is actuarially possible, its median viewer age will keep creeping upward. (It rose by two years over the course of 2013."

    I guess you fall right into that "median viewer age" of 68,

    Yeah, and next you'll be telling us that everyone over the age of 60 is much sharper than those under 60, that's why FOX viewers are SO much smarter, right, Baxxter?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:28 am on Thu, Jan 30, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4305

    Try farm subsidies. Even Republican millionaire farmers love those, Baxxter! Just ask them...wait...you don't HAVE to ask. They just voted to pass them ALL.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:17 am on Thu, Jan 30, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4305

    HAHA!

    So similar themes, eh, Baxxter? Poor Marc Thiessen thinks HIS ideas are unique? Sounds like a bit of narcissistic blather.

    AND Thiessen admitted that Bush had NO HAND in writing that SOTU! DUH...I thought GWB was the one who wrote it...just like Obama probably wrote ALL of his.

    Perhaps he would have been better off speaking about GWB's 2006 SOTU in which he asked Congress to ban "human-animal hybrids."

    Now that would have been the real intellectual path for plagiarism!

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:06 am on Thu, Jan 30, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2740

    Walter,

    Fox's main theme for all their programming is mostly political talk. Not enough just plain old human interest stories. Even though I may disagree with CNN's or PBS's political views, I find their other programming interesting and informative. Fox better get on board and start expanding their horizons. Their politics may be more in line with my thinking. However, having a special series on the migration patterns of hummingbirds or something like this may boost their viewership. I think you know what I mean.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:07 pm on Wed, Jan 29, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1792


    Walter posted; “FAUX News is losing more viewers each day then all of the other networks combined.”
    Poor Wally, he actually believes what the liberal mouthpieces broadcast about FOX. Not only is FOX not losing viewership, their viewership is increasing. Wishing FOX would go away just isn’t going to work. I don’t often watch FOX but I find it a convenient source to get coverage on some news event that the liberals try suppress. You know, like how Obama plagiarized Bush’s 2007 SOTU speech last night. How about some UNBIASED and FACTUAL substantiation of your absurd claim about FOX losing their viewership, Walter? I won’t hold my breath.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:03 pm on Wed, Jan 29, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1792

    Mr. Barrow still waiting for the list of the successful liberal programs you crowed about in a previous post. Please do not cite "cash for clunkers" as one, although I have to admit it was successful in removing a multitude of Obana/Biden bumper stickers off of our nation's highways. I guess that could be considered as a success.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 12:25 pm on Wed, Jan 29, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 529

    i call shenanigans on you incessant over-use of the [sleeping]!

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:14 am on Wed, Jan 29, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2685

    Why do you not know where they are going? Wake-Up Walter. [sleeping]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:45 am on Wed, Jan 29, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1339

    Jerome, Moonbeam's politics were well known before his election and do I need to remind you this is Obama's second term I think we "fully understand who and what they are" you just don't seem to understand that while you disapprove many do not.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:55 pm on Tue, Jan 28, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 986

    "It's truly up to us"

    Jerry, you better hurry.

    FAUX News is the most watched cable news network for the 12th consecutive year, with more viewers then CNN and MSNBC together.

    But it's viewership is waning. Ratings for total viewers per day is down 14 precent from it's peak. In the coveted 25 to 54 age demographic, the viewership is down 30 precent. In the same time period, ratings for CNN and MSNBC are virtually flat.

    FAUX News is losing more viewers each day then all of the other networks combined.

    Where are they going????


    [smile]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:05 pm on Tue, Jan 28, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4305

    I can't decide whether it is hysterically petty, or just plain old pathetic for some people to obsess over a politician's use of a teleprompter. Rick Santorum mocked Mitt Romney for using one and Republicans in general seem to think it great sport to mock Barack Hussein Obama for using one.

    As I'm sure everyone knows, every president since Dwight David Eisenhower has used one at one time or another, including the "Great Communicator."

    Good old George Walker Bush is said to have preferred to use note cards for the most part when he spoke, and we all know the ridicule HE suffered from constantly uttering "Bushisms," not to mention his inability after 8 years to properly pronounce the word "nuclear."

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 1:31 pm on Tue, Jan 28, 2014.

    the old dog Posts: 351

    Jerome: I agree with you, sad to say, nothing will change. If it wasn`t bad enough, we elected them, and keep re-electing them.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:36 am on Tue, Jan 28, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2254

    I suppose these two "leaders" also have a pen and a phone. Bullying has come to be the new way of governing. Unfortunately, We the People are wholly to blame. We put these politicians into positions of power over us. And we do so without fully understand who and what they are. Eloquence and fair reading from a Teleprompter seems enough nowadays. So much for delving into their character and experience prior to election day.

    Until the people wake up, we can expect more of the same. It's truly up to us.

     

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