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Posted: Saturday, October 20, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:35 am, Sat Oct 20, 2012.

I recently saw the movie "2016: Obama's America," and although I was not shocked by what I saw, I am scared for our country if he should get reelected. Anyone who is thinking about voting for him should see this first.

This movie is very well done with excellent credits, and folks, it's time to put our party differences aside and vote for the person who believes in our country — not someone who is leading us to socialism. Fact after fact is put forth that shows that our president definitely has many skeletons in the closet which were not released prior to the nation trusting him with the Oval Office.

Quite disturbing is the talk of the U.S. economy. The current national debt, which has increased two-fold during Obama's presidency, and this horrendous economy, is suggested to be part of the plan to strip the nation of democracy.

How can any logical, thinking person give a hoot about Romney's taxes while not asking any questions regarding our current president's past? The man influences the entire globe, but liberal Americans want to know how much Mitt Romney paid in taxes in the past rather than learn about the man whom they have entrusted with the country. Unbelievable.

Folks, it's time to get our "old America" back and not let this "new America" happen.

Jennifer Baker

Lodi

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56 comments:

  • Mike Adams posted at 6:13 pm on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1349

    For those who are not conspiracy theorists like me, I have seen the light and it is Snopes.com who explain why the Social Security Administration needs 174,000 rounds of 357 Sig..
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/ssabullets.asp

    I also looked at invoices that are "supposed" to be official, but they could be fakes, there's no way to be sure,...The ammo ran the gamut and appeared to be mostly for training, and of course some for actual duty work.

    This is exactly the kind of problem that comes up when my fellow conspiratorialists lack the back ground to evaluate documents and issues like this. It's really embarrassing when you discover the truth. This is an example of Rule #4 of our conspiratorial plank, that being "the simplest explaination is probably the best" and certainly in this case it was.

     
  • Simon Birch posted at 2:39 pm on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Simon Birch - Online Manager Posts: 150 Staff

    Mike: I see no record of a post by you at the time and date indicated.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 8:23 am on Sun, Nov 4, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1349

    Posted @ 0902, 11/3/12, but not displayed. Is this censorship LNS?

    Re-submitted for censorship @0822, 11/4/12
    """if you believe what was slick, but entirely judgement by association, movie, and all it's claims, you really do need some sort of conservator to run your affairs and make decisions for you" but when you (Mike) are incapable of substantiating your own position you don't "need some sort of conservator"?

    Gee, how is it now that you just can't copy and paste? That was your whole thing and now you're left to your own very limited devices. So sad. But we will continue to smile and laugh each time we read your comments and letters now that you're left with 1 and 2 syllable words.

    Maybe a big floppy hat would make you feel better?"

     
  • stan taves posted at 2:41 pm on Thu, Oct 25, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 312

    Obama is a socialist, and some will say, "so what?" Well, look at Europe. The economies of Europe are under considerable stress, because American consumption is no longer maintaining levels that will sustain their socialist wants. And that is, and always will be, the problem with socialism -- it is built upon "wants" instead of "needs". You see, "wants" encourage weakness and servitude , while "needs" demand backbone and independent thought. I wish that my good friends on the left were able to understand the basic principles that allow for growth; unfortunately the simple realities that govern all of human existence are lost on those would bury their heads in an effort to hide from a truth that would set them free -- I guess that some people just can't stand to be free.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 11:00 am on Thu, Oct 25, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1349

    I'm sure you like to come off as some sort of firearms expert, but like all your "knowledge", you expertise goes as far as googling a phrase and picking the result you want. Unfortunately, picking information sources doesn't mean you are qualified (and you demonstrate this principle constantly) to understand and comment on what you are reading.

    There could be all sorts of reasons why DHS needs 1.6 MILLION rounds of "hollowpoint ammunition". None of which you would understand, never having been in the military or even law enforcement. You speak like someone who watches a lot of movies but lacks the real experience to comment with any sort of realism.

    "P.S. NATO troops do not use small arms ammunition that is prohibited by the Hague Convention. " Isn't this wonderful.....you found a NATO websight. I don't believe I mentioned soldiers, marines, sailors, or airmen using this type of ammo. Forces not directly affiliated with any of the armed services are free to use what ever ammo they prefer. I know you probably don't understand, but not all wars or battles are fought by soldiers.

    I think a reason for the mass purchases (and again you wouldn't have a clue) is that with the imending re-election of President Obama, there will be another run on ammunition fueled by all the conspiratorial talk you're fancy on, and these agencies just want to lay in adequate supplies to last until supply returns to normal. Or until they start searching all of our hoses for fireames and confiscating them.

    I already gave them your address and your inventory (which are available through the DOJ).

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 8:34 am on Thu, Oct 25, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1349

    Joanne: If Darrell is correct, you'd have to have written a tremdous amount of filth and garbage to balance the examples published recently. Better get out a thesaurus and find other words to use instead of "greed", "white bread", "fraud", "dictator", "overlord", "puppet", etc.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 8:27 am on Thu, Oct 25, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1349

    See you at the next gun show!!! I'll stop by and say "hey".

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:26 am on Thu, Oct 25, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2991

    "if you believe what was slick, but entirely judgement by association, movie, and all it's claims, you really do need some sort of conservator to run your affairs and make decisions for you" but when you (Mike) are incapable of substantiating your own position you don't "need some sort of conservator"?
    [lol][lol][lol]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:57 pm on Wed, Oct 24, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2991

    Perhaps the signifigance of 1.6 BILLION rounds might begin to sink in once you consider the fact that we use only 70 million rounds each year in Iraq. [sleeping]

    P.S. NATO troops do not use small arms ammunition that is prohibited by the Hague Convention. [sleeping]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:47 pm on Wed, Oct 24, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    "Anger and animosity?" If that is your assessment, so be it. But I challenge you to illustrate what EXACTLY was "angry and animus" in my letter.

    Actually Ms Bobin,it isdifficult to find anything you state that is not originated from anger... When an angry bitter person such as yourself writes anything, the anger oozes out as if you have severe infections.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:49 pm on Wed, Oct 24, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1349

    Why do conservatives have to be led step by step? I have no "contention" now, nor in the past. My current opinion of the information in the "movie" has not changed since I saw it Monday.

    I did not call it "a pack of lies", you did:
    Joe Baxter posted at 1:28 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012:.
    "They use terms like "a pack of lies".....

    And apparently comprehension is a real problem I've noticed time after time (assuming you're not just being an a.h.)

    Joe Baxter posted at 1:43 pm on Wed, Oct 24, 2012.
    "Kindly list the lies that you claim are in the film. I haven't found a liberal yet that can name inaccuracies or lies in the film."

    Can you understand the following:
    Mike Adams posted at 11:02 am on Wed, Oct 24, 2012:
    I'm not going through the movie claim by claim because it isn';t necessary and would apparently elicit all sorts of incorrect analysis from our conservative readers."

    I could easily ask the same of you:
    Can you please list the truths contained in the "movie", but I won't because all you'll say is "all of them". Maybe you haven't even seen the movie. Have you? It's a common retort from conservatives.."I don't have to watch it, I know what it's about so let me give you my typical ill-formed opinion that no one wants to hear". Is this you? Did you watch the movie?

    Joe Baxter posted at 1:43 pm on Wed, Oct 24, 2012.
    "I haven't found a liberal yet that can name inaccuracies or lies in the film. Maybe you will be the first?"
    I would ask this of you, but I'm sure there are many right wing con websites that already have listed what they consider "truths" and you would just copy and paste them like your good friend libich.

    Why do you and other conservatives argue so strongly, but yet unsuccessfully, that minorities should be returned to their ancestral homes, voluntarily or involuntarily? Why do you support the collection of, and subsequent deportation of, people with brown skin and either speak with an hispanic accent or don't speak English in parts of the country like Arizona?

    Why does the party begun by President Lincoln, which helped free
    enslaved people, now have so few, almost negligible participation, by African Americans? Why are republican rallies and your convention display almost no minority participation? Perhaps you could kindly explain why the republican party is the de facto "white party"?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 1:43 pm on Wed, Oct 24, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    So, now it is your contention that "some" of the information was correct and some was "a pack of lies". Kindly list the lies that you claim are in the film. I haven't found a liberal yet that can name inaccuracies or lies in the film. Maybe you will be the first?

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 11:09 am on Wed, Oct 24, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1349

    Would you even know the difference between 357 Sig and 357 Magnum?

    Could you tell the difference between a 357 Sig and a 40 S&W without googling it?

    Do you know how many rounds it takes the average law enforcement officer to shoot before they're even ready to qualify, even if they are experienced shooters? How many rounds for the average law enforcement officer to qualify it they have never shot a gun before?

    Could you tell me why a hollowpoint bullet is used instead of a flat point or round nose? Would you know the general minimum velocity a hollowpoint bullet needs to have to open up on a live target?

    As you don't know this information, you opine on the number of rounds an agency purchases as though it is some revelation. You don't even say what for or why the Natioal Weather Servive needs ammo, hollowpoint or something else. And I'm clueless.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 11:02 am on Wed, Oct 24, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1349

    At no time did I say anything in the film was factual!

    Saying I've (we've) heard and seen it all before is absolutely not the same thing.

    I made no statement saying I "don't want it brought up asyou (I) refuse to find it disturbing information"

    Seem, this is the problem: Conservatives confuse statements such as
    "your movie is that it is just a rehash of the same BS we've heard from the other side since 2008!! There is nothing new, no revelations." as some sort of acceptance that the information is factual.

    I will say that some information in the movie is correct and factual such as President Obama was born in Hawaii. I'm not going through the movie claim by claim because it isn';t necessary and would apparently elicit all sorts of incorrect analysis from our conservative readers.

    My original statement "It's just put together better to make it more a more shocking "pack of lies". I would only add, "that our conservative readers need on a continual basis otherwise they forget?.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:35 am on Wed, Oct 24, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    Mike Adams, so, in other words you are admitting everything in the film is FACTUAL, you just don't want it brought up as you refuse to find it disturbing information.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:19 am on Wed, Oct 24, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1349

    Too bad you can't say what you're so afraid of. Weren't you the one advocating the search of everyone's home for weapons and siezing them?
    Yes you were.

    If you want to rat out your neighbors and cut a better deal for yourself, the DOJ will provide you with a list of guns sold to individuals. You could use this to your advantage.

    Also too bad you don't know which end of the bullet is what. The pointy side comes out the end of the barrel. If you load them backwards, they won't fire or if they do, they'll come back at you.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:26 am on Wed, Oct 24, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2991

    Actually, we have hyper linked to ALL relevant solicitations from the Department of Homeland Security, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and Social Security Administration. [sleeping]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 9:09 pm on Tue, Oct 23, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1349

    The problem with your movie is that it is just a rehash of the same BS we've heard from the other side since 2008!! There is nothing new, no revelations.
    It's just put together better to make it more a more shocking "pack of lies"

    The only ones who get excited are the ones who hate the President already.
    Odd, they have to be constantly reminded with this movie, letters to the editor, boards like these, radio and tv. We libs already have heard all of this and it obviously has made no difference about how we feel about the President. Why do the cons have to constantly be reminded? Afraid they may come to their senses?

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 9:04 pm on Tue, Oct 23, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1349

    Walter: I don't know about the Bircher's in Lodi, but at most gun shows the aryans/nazis/deviants/ POSes have their little tables with their disgusting literature, how Jews are running the country, different races and their impact on their percieved "white" society. Quite popular with some Lodi folks I would presume.
    They like to hand out stuff for free also. I think the difference between the nazis and the Birchers is that the Birchers you kind of giggle at, the nazis you want to rush home and take a wire brush to your whole body with the hottest shower you can take.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 3:35 pm on Tue, Oct 23, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1349

    Maybe I don't grasp the idiocy of people who couldn't tell difference between 357 Sig and a 357 Magnum if either of them went through their center of mass. And Fox talks of 357 Sig ammunition but shows a picture of 357 magnum cartriges

    Or maybe some of the people who see a massive multinational government plot to take over something no one has heard of (and when they do, they don't care) yet don't understand decimal points.

    Let's not forget the National Weather Service want's to buy 16,000 (or is that 160,000, or 1,600,000, or 16?) rounds of 40 S&W

    If there is any anger left in the chronically confused ultra conservative conspiratorial sliver that is always complainng, maybe it should be that the US government doesn't have just one standard pistol or revolver.
    Geezz... even McNamara realized that the Army and Air Force didn't necessarily need 2 different kinds of boots. Ever wonder why it's called the 5.56 mm? Or the 7.62X54? Of course you don't. You just call them things like 22 Fireball or 300 Winchester (both of which are wrong). It's because it is NATO standardized so most countries use the same ammunition and one fighting force from one nation can share ammunition with another fighting force from a different country.

    My theory is that all the conspiracy nuts think the end of the world is coming and (because they are cheap) the conspiracy nuts have to pay more than normal retail to lay in their own supply of 7.62X39.
    Hey! It's the end of the world....who you gonna shoot? Will you be angry not enough people are dying and you want to help out? I bet I know who you guys will be shooting first!!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:27 am on Tue, Oct 23, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "Ms Bobin, it could be that they were waiting to publish other letters that balanced your anger and animosity you projected... Most likely they had to wait so long that they gave up trying to find one... so they just printed it... "

    "Anger and animosity?"

    If that is your assessment, so be it. But I challenge you to illustrate what EXACTLY was "angry and animus" in my letter.

    Better that than claiming Obama is a Muslim better suited to rule Indonesia/No I never said he was a Muslim/He and his family practice Muslim beliefs/No I never said that he was a Muslim/PROVE to me I said Obama was a Muslim.

    Now I know why you LOVE Willard Mitt Romney so much (although you would have preferred Newton Leroy Gingrich and his moon colony) - you both have trouble with the telling the truth about your beliefs.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:21 am on Tue, Oct 23, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2991

    WE AREN'T TALKING MILLIONS!!!

    What part of 1.6 BILLION are you not grasping?[sleeping]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 7:14 am on Tue, Oct 23, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1349

    Gee.... Social Security needs 174,000 .357. National Weather Service needs hollopoints. Homeland Security needs 1.6 million 45 ACP HP....
    I wish the conspiracy guys would get their act straight. What is it?
    .357 or 45?
    9mm or 40 S&W?

    All the time ignoring the 2 million rounds of 219 Zipper and the 280 Remington (Ackley Improved).

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:33 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2991

    DHS has ordered 1.6 BILLION rounds of 45 hollow point ammo. [sleeping]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 5:11 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1089

    "Forty years ago the John Birch Society fought for their ideologies"

    Hey Ted, did you know Mr. Boyce too?

    Every year, you're find him running the John Birch booth at the Grape Festival.

    He had all sorts of frightening stories to share. Great little pamphlets too.

    Listening to him, you would of thought it was the end of the world!

    Didn't happen, did it?

    Upon reflection, his tales were not much different from what one hears frequently around here!

    Who remember the "Get US out of the United Nations" bumper stickers??

    I still got mine!


    [beam]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:09 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1349

    Joanne: Without googling it, what is this line from?
    "Her name was Joanne and she lived in a meadow by a pond"

    @7:52....can you believe if someone outside our little area saw all these Obama hate messages? I hope the secret service doesn't find out, after all they did order 1.5 million hollow points* according to someone else.
    It was bad enough with the FBI flying over my house for 2 months straight a couple of years ago.

    I did actually watch this movie this morning. I can see why the cons think we are so smart and know everything.....because if you believe what was slick, but entirely judgement by association, movie, and all it's claims, you really do need some sort of conservator to run your affairs and make decisions for you.

    *Damn..... I only have 1500 hollow points (in our most popular handgun calibers (except 9mm, which is a woman's gun).
    I also have 150 rounds of 45 LC, but nothing to shoot them in.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:44 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Lauchland stated...Taxes in part was what they were running away from. - Now what does that tell ya!

    Tells me Mr Lauchland is providing substance to the argument and should post more often... Thanks Ted!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:41 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin, it could be that they were waiting to publish other letters that balanced your anger and animosity you projected... Most likely they had to wait so long that they gave up trying to find one... so they just printed it...[whistling]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 4:17 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1460

    Couldn't agree more Joanne what are the odds that all of these anti Obama letters came available and not one pro Obama letter remarkably biased journalism the LNS should be ashamed but with so bold an offering of LTEs I doubt they will be.

     
  • Ted Lauchland posted at 2:07 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    Ted Lauchland Posts: 254

    I will vote against anything that takes away my freedom or anyone elses freedom to succeed. I also choose to support anything that protects that right.

    Forty years ago the John Birch Society fought for their ideologies by taking a stand against communism when there was a specific country to pin the blame on. Something worth fighting for. Fast forward to current beliefs and the names have changed but the issues are still the same. The Soviet Union lasted with their beliefs for what - 80 years? The U.S. has been around a "tad" longer but nothing in comparison to other attempts at governing. We can thank the Constitution for our continued existance.
    The "march west" was thanks to determined people but the success was multiplied by the rich railroad companies seeking lumber for profit and of course with determined people. We've got it easy guys. All we have to do is vote to bring that ideology back that brings success back. So long as oil is the driving influence and floating cargo ships are the ties to the world an isolated economy is not possible. A world economy exists with different rules played by different countries. We have to be able to compete with the markets existing and it takes a business mind to do that whether the president has one or he surrounds himselves with people that have the ability to fill the need. Our economy will continue to suffer until this notion of taxes as a cure all gets shoved in the corner. Taxes are a secondary thought. Fighting over them drives people to look for relief - businesses included.
    .
    My namesake family came to this country in the mid 1800s. They came as shoemakers. After they got here they decided that farming was going to be more lucrative since there was not a strong basis for support for the shoemaking business. Taxes in part was what they were running away from. - Now what does that tell ya!

     
  • Bobcatbob Ingram posted at 2:02 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    99er Posts: 119

    Well said John, and very accurate, Thanks

     
  • Bobcatbob Ingram posted at 1:59 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    99er Posts: 119

    Jerome, please put forth the Rep's PLAN for making life better for me my Mom and my Grandkids. What exactly is Your plan ?

     
  • Bobcatbob Ingram posted at 1:52 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    99er Posts: 119

    Do You remember what the republican leadership stood up on National TV and said directly after Obama was elected ??
    ... In case You can't remember, they proudly proclaimed they would stop ALL legislation coming from the oval office.
    Which I believe is treason, because they acted against the American Voters !
    Wouldn't be so bad ...BUT... the Reb's have put forth NO PLAN.... All they ever do is attack our president.
    If they have a plan, besides giving the 1% more of the pie I'd like to hear it. I see by another headline our children are not fooled and for that , I am proud.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 1:28 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    I find it hilarious when discussing the 2016 movie with liberals. They immediately go on the defensive even though most haven't even seen the film. They use terms like "a pack of lies", nothiing but "disception" and "propaganda" But when I ask them to point out exactly WHAT parts of the film were inaccurate, lies or propaganda, they suddenly get real quiet.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:52 am on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Curious, Mr. Adams - I submitted a letter on September 20th and it didn't get printed until 1. I inquired WHY, and 2. I was told there was a huge PILE of letters to be published, but when it was finally published on October 18th, letters that could easily be identified as being written AFTER mine (due to their content that revealed events after 9/20) had been published weeks before.

    Still in favor of the grumpy old lady theory - if she doesn't like your politics, she doesn't let your letter get printed.

    And judging by all of the RIGHT WING letters that get PREFERENCE, I know that to be true.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:01 pm on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1349

    Perhaps Ms. Baker should stay away from the cinema if she is so easily swayed. And frightened.

    Lines like: "This movie is very well done with excellent credits," are akin to
    "I think it was a good book and everyone should read it"

    Did LNS just blow all the sub par submissions because they needed to fill space?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:37 pm on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated..."SNL and Stewart, and PERSONAL ATTACKS which he believes make him look inordinately intelligent.

    Please Ms Bobin, be fair and post what I have stated many times... I view myself as a simple person of average intelligence. I think you, Mr Lucas and Mr Kinderman have a much higher IQ than I.

    I never care if I am perceived to be intelligent as I am simply seeking truth and refuting ideas, concepts and statements I perceive to be false. I also am articulating what I perceive to be truth.

    I consider most people I meet more intelligent than I. Based on your posts and analysis of topics, I perceive you as very bright and clever. However, I do not think you utilize the IQ you have for the good of others and intentionaly distort what you know to be truth.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:21 pm on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2991

    The $831,000,000,000 economic “stimulus” that President Obama spearheaded and signed into law requires his administration to release quarterly reports on its effects. But “the most transparent administration in the history of our country” is now four reports behind schedule and has so far not released any reports whatsoever in 2012. Its most recent quarterly report is for the quarter than ended on June 30, 2011.

    The Obama administration is now in violation of the president’s most prominent piece of legislation this side of Obamacare.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:28 am on Sun, Oct 21, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "Ms Bobin, please do not insult Mr Lucas... He does not deserve your wrath. I do not think he is gullible at all, just convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that his way is the right way... I appreciate his confidence."

    You can always tell when Mr. Baumbach has nothing of consequence to contribute when he resorts to his usual "I'm rubber, you're glue" playground retorts, as well as references to "SNL and Stewart, and PERSONAL ATTACKS which he believes make him look inordinately intelligent.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:03 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2814

    Barack Obama had security clearances long before he became a Presidential candidate. And where he didn't have security clearances, he knew those who could get him information with their security clearances. Again, Bush wasn't so stupid to believe Obama didn't have the inside scoop not only because everyone in his circle of influence were following the progress of the wars, but, the need to know for Obama. Subsequently, Bush knew well in advance what Obama knew long before he became a Presidential candidate.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:50 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2814

    Ms Bobin wrote:

    Do you honestly think that the Bush Administration opened up the books to Obama while he was a candidate so he would be aware in advance that George Walker Bush had put two wars on the US's credit card? Not only did he not pay for the wars, he didn't even have them in the budget. I doubt Barack Hussein Obama knew that in advance.

    -Ms. Bobin,

    You're joking. right?

    Do you honestly think Barack Obama was not given intelligence briefings? And do you honestly believe Bush was under no obligation to tell him how the wars were funded? I know you think George Bush is stupid. But you're stupider to think he could just tell Obama one thing that was a complete lie and think Obama couldn't ever find out the truth.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:13 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2814

    Would Mr. Lucas please tell the rest of us why he doesn't think many of Obama's policies
    were just extensions of Bush policies he (Obama) was too stupid to implement correctly?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:07 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...Really, Mr. Kinderman? "A tad better?"

    I have to agree with Ms Bobin Mr Kinderman, tad better? Clearly, Mr Obama was joining submarines 20,000 leagues under the sea... was in way too deep over his head.

    I think you were simply being respectful of the office of the president in using the word "tad"... being respectful is what many have come to expect from a person of character that you are.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:00 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin, please do not insult Mr Lucas... He does not deserve your wrath. I do not think he is gullible at all, just convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that his way is the right way... I appreciate his confidence.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:55 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Clearly, Mr Lucas is over my head.. since Mr Lucas is the authority on the subject, there is no possibility that there is a difference because it is Mr Lucas that says so...I am confused and bewildered how it is possible, but can you please educate the pubic Mr Lucas.

    Since you have the intellectual advantage and knowledge, can you post how they are the same... How did you come to the conclusion that there are no differences. Can you be specific. I know they both are republicans, both have two legs and arms, but are you saying all their thoughts, ideas, policies that would result are identical?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:08 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Kinderman wrote: "But you know, one of the big differences between conservatives and liberals is that we understand and accept that in a two-party system, there's enough blame to go around."

    So Mr. Kinderman is admitting - after all of the bellyaching he has done over the past 4 years, that George Walker Bush SHOULD be blamed for flushing this country down the toilet.

    Well, hallelujah!!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:03 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    What is "scarier" than the Obama 2016 movie is that I live in a town that has so many gullible people who not only believe this propaganda, but have to write to the newspaper to alert everyone about the evil Barack Hussein Obama.

    Mr. Kinderman wrote: "He knew precisely what he was getting into and if he didn't, then shame on him for not understanding the job just a tad better."

    Really, Mr. Kinderman? "A tad better?" That must be why Willard Mitt Romney did so poorly in the last debate and will do just as poorly in Monday's foreign policy debate. He's guessing - he is not privy to any top level information.

    Do you honestly think that the Bush Administration opened up the books to Obama while he was a candidate so he would be aware in advance that George Walker Bush had put two wars on the US's credit card? Not only did he not pay for the wars, he didn't even have them in the budget. I doubt Barack Hussein Obama knew that in advance.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:36 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2327

    Are you giving up the election, Mr. Lucas? So it's "when" rather than "if" Mitt Romney finishes with the economy. . .? But as far as your prediction, the same was thought of Nixon, Bush and Bush. Yet, it just never seems to work out that way. And I’m actually glad about that. Obama had his chance – and he’s blown it big time. So if Romney does get his opportunity, four years hence the People will once again be given the opportunity to decide if he deserves four more. This is precisely why we have presidential elections every four years. From my point of view, it's not such a bad system at all.

    But you know, one of the big differences between conservatives and liberals is that we understand and accept that in a two-party system, there's enough blame to go around.

    But since day one, President Barack Hussein Obama has taken responsibility for nothing. He knew precisely what he was getting into and if he didn't, then shame on him for not understanding the job just a tad better.

    Harry S Truman had it right with the little placard on his desk that exclaimed "The Buck Stops Here." He never dreamed in his worst nightmares that he would ever become the President of the United States. And of all presidents he had the worst of choices that had to be made during times that would have President Obama racing to the back door of the White House.

    Yet he took the reins of responsibility and did what he thought was best for the nation; not ever considering what it might do to his "legacy." Of all Democrats I respect Truman most; even more than his predecessor. Since Truman the Dems have had little to cheer about; especially since the party’s elder statesman is now William Jefferson Clinton!! That says it all!

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:00 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Try me. You will not for there is no difference. You do not put it out there because you are afraid to look stupid. That is the key to your character.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:54 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    In a way I hope you are right. When Mitt Romney finishes with the economy he will be the last Republican president for a at least a couple of generations. I guess we have to go through another Great Depression to learn that Conservative Republican ideas and policies just lead to disaster.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:54 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Clearly, our local liberal scholar will never see the difference no matter what is presented... if it is different, it is a lie, if it is the same, it is truth.

    The debate is over, no info needs to be provided. It is thoughtful of Mr Lucas to save everyone the time...

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:51 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Maybe Mr Heuer could provide some substance instead of attempting to "scare" people into not watching 2012...

    Please articulate specific points in the documentary that you perceive is inaccurate...

    Of course your post will be very brief since it was an accurate documentary.However, if I am wrong, I look forward to your evidence.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:29 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2327

    This so-called "path to a better future" wasn't what was promised during the 2008 campaign. Indeed, even President Barack Hussein Obama himself admitted that if the economy hadn't turned around by his third year, then he would be a one-term president.

    I say we should support the president to keep this one promise - come November 6, 2012 let's do just that - make him a one-term president. We cannot afford to risk what might be just beyond the next turn on this "path" of his. And it appears that the People just might grant him his wish. The tide is turning – enough is finally enough.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:51 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Would one of our Conservative Republican friends please tell the rest of us the policy differences between George Bush and Mitt Romney?

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:56 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1343

    The movie "Obama 2016" was a carefully orchestrated right wing scare piece designed for a gulible audience who are eager to find fault with the president. It plays on racist fears (strong amoung the tea partiers) that the president is somehow unAmerican. That he has ill will for the country. It includes a proposition that white Americans voted for him because they feel guilty over the years of oppression experienced by black people. That is absolutely rediculous. If you went to the movie to find something wrong with the president you were suckered in royal. A better biography is "Barack Obama: The Story " by David Moraniss. He actually interviewed the president where the movies author Dinesh D'Souza didn't.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:36 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    At the end of one of the letter writers paragraphs she says "Unbelievable" I agree. It is hard to believe that anyone would take an informercial funded by far right wing lunatics and directed by a a right wing liar seriously.
    They have put this garbage out because they do not want to discuss their policy ideas about where the country should go.
    On the one side you have Mitt Romney whose ideas are the same as George Bushes. On the other we have a man who faced the terrible consequences of those ideas and has us on a path to a better future.
    The choice is clear. If you liked 2008 vote for Mitt Romney

     

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