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Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:19 am, Sat Mar 10, 2012.

The non-Fox News media is doing a grave disservice to this country; first by failing to vet Barack Obama before he was thrust into the presidency, and now by cloaking his true identity and his true intentions for ruining this country.

I am not yet prepared to say he is evil, yet evidence is mounting that he intends overwhelming destruction. He has made clear that he intends to destroy capitalism. He is ruining our economy and the engines that make it grow and provide jobs. His idea of "fairness" is that we all "share" the misery.

Now, something more sinister is in the works. I believe President Obama is an agent for Islam as well as Socialism. He wants to destroy our Judeo-Christian foundation and way of life. That was a key objective of Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Castro. Like Hitler, they assumed power with great popularity. The masses did not understand they were being enslaved until too late to prevent tyranny. We still have a chance to prevent such disaster, but only if we act now and put the facts before the public.

These are really clever guys. They are stealing our country before our very eyes. Obama is devious, and he may indeed be evil.

Jerry Osgood

Galt

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115 comments:

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:46 am on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    K Lee stated...Anyway...

    I agree.. After I carefully analyzed the content and intent of her post, I had no choice but to finally appreciate the value of what K Lee posts. Thank you K Lee... as usual, you are interesting.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 2:13 pm on Sun, Mar 18, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Anyway...

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 7:49 pm on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1443

    Darryl, Pat: This is just a technique we learned in one of our liberal seminars. The presenter singled me out as being the best out of a whole be group of other liberals.
    I like to provide bait, and see what bites and weasel bites every time. Without fail. Too bad I don't fish. I'd be feeding the unfortunate down at there palatial homeless shelters while they sip lattes and munch on scones and get help accessing more free government give aways, while they have the opportunity to access government provided wireless so they can email their families and down load 1st run movies.

    I bet weasel goes around with a migraine headache all the time from the government trucks irradiating is house searching for something. They probably aren't searching for anything, just parking out front and turning the bug zapper on. It's no wonder the weasel is mad! That stuff ruins am radio signals. So how is weasel supposed to listen to Rush, Hannity, Savage, etc.?

    I guess I'd be angry to. Having the FBI circling over your house for a whole summer is a bummer. So I know first hand how a subsurface scavenger might feel if he can't get the day's talking points. And all this time, he thought the kid next door was the one who was messin' with his tv antenna.

    That makes for one angry weasel.

    I hear BHO actually signed an executive order authorizing some low level operative in Holder's Justice Department to call his house and then hang up when he answers.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:52 pm on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike... I had to laugh when you started your post with " Valerie: "moron mike" here"

    I think Andrew has used that phase so offen that even you used it... like Pat said...Just a bit of levity or humor.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:53 pm on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Hey Mike!!! How about if we just shorten the titles on a few of these conspiracies?

    Gov Reports Cause Cancer
    Lethal Fungus Spread to CA
    Manipulated Crash
    BO Using Number (doobie)
    BGs Covert Nanno

    Just a bit of levity or humor.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 8:34 am on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1443

    "... an hour long video showing how the pentagon plane didn't crash or took an angle other than the actual aircraft did. What a waste of time"

    The weasel is affiliated with "wakesheep", a conspiracy web site with all the usual information about all the usual conspiracies. Here's a sample:
    "Potentially Lethal Airborne Fungus May Spread to California"
    "Government Report Says Global Warming May Cause Cancer and Mental Illness"
    "Bilderberg Manipulated Stock Market Crash"
    "Obama Using Connecticut Soc. Sec. Number?"
    "Bill Gates Funds Covert Vaccine Nanotechnology"

    There are many more. Really. You can't make stuff like this up, even if you are somewhat short intellectually or psychologically. I'm pretty sure every time I post something, the weasel gets a migraine headache.

    I would suggest that if you don't like it here, in this country, that tolerates your lunatic rants, that you move somewhere else. I doubt Canada wants you, especially since I already sent them many of your posts. You probably don't speak spanish so Mexico is out. Maybe you could try daniel's new imaginary country. You know, get in on the ground floor. They probably have room or a position or a title you can have. Maybe on some sort of sash you can wear around. Maybe you can get diplomatic immunity.
    Maybe they can make you an ambassador to Canada, that way they'd have to let you in. What ever, just move out of our country.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 10:25 am on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1443

    Valerie: "moron mike" here. Be cautious in your interchanges with the weasel (AKA andrew /#@&!. If you deviate even slightly from his lunatic rantings he attacks you.
    He is know as the weasel because he issued a challenge which I immediately responded to correctly, then tried to change the parameters of the challenge.

    Also, other than calling myself or other bright individuals names (which he thinks are very clever, and they are seeing as he favors single syllable or 2 syllable words)when he goes off script, almost 100% of his postings are the result of merely going to conspiracy websites and copying and pasting their text here and then trying to pass it off as his own. Even his letters to the editor are cut and pasted.

    He runs (or claims to) some 4th tier conspiracy website that promotes the poisoning of US citizens with "vapor trails" or what he calls "chem trails". That all the events of 9/11/01 were nothing more than an elaborate hoax for some other purpose. You know the type. Because it's on the internet, it must be true, unless it conflicts with what you want to be true, in which case the information comes from the main steam liberal media or the UN. He expected me to watch a 1 hour video on

    Yes, the weasel (andrew) is a real piece of work. Not a good piece mind you, but a piece. I think he is just plain weird. Now watch how he'll attack me. If he's in a good mood, he'll refer to me as "sofa king idiotic", another phrase he stole from the internet. I don't know what it means which really lessens it's impact on me. Insults only work if the person they are directed at know what they mean.
    Frankly, there have been many here who are much better at it then him. I taught 20 years in an urban high school, so have seen some of the best. It should really give him pause to think over his strategy when a 15 year old sophomore easily "out insults" him.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 9:49 am on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Pew Report new projections of Obamacare cost to come in at $1.76 trillion dollars over 10 years instead of Obama reported cost of $940 billion dollars when law was signed.

    Did anyone read it before Obama signed it??????

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 9:43 am on Wed, Mar 14, 2012.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    "spent hours of research, then assigned his team of crack assistants to leave no stone unturned....."

    That's funny stuff right there.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:23 pm on Tue, Mar 13, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...Has anyone else noticed that Valerie Hines sounds an AWFUL lot like Darrell Baumbach?

    Actually, I was thinking that Valerie Hines sounded more like Andrew than myself... but I hope she continues to post as she is a clear thinker.

    Valerie... if you can, please post something that would show that you and I are different people if you can... I do not know what that would be... but if you can, it would be appreciated.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:05 pm on Tue, Mar 13, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Steve stated... Good post Pat!

    Steve... I agree... He is avery thoughtful and wise man to me. He tries to bring his style of humor to us but when he wants to make a serious point, he does it well.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 4:20 pm on Tue, Mar 13, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2574

    Good post Pat!

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 3:24 pm on Tue, Mar 13, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Jerry Osgood, "We still have a chance to prevent such disaster, but only if we act now and put the facts before the public."

    Jerry Osgood: What facts are you speaking of exactly?

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:04 pm on Tue, Mar 13, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    I matters not where a thought comes from, rather what is done with that thought. I thought about taking my heart medicine this morning...is that why I am in the hospital?
    I thought about listening...is that why I voted for BO? I thought about getting a job...is that why I am hungry? I thought about you...is that why you are gone?? Just think...

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 2:03 pm on Tue, Mar 13, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2574

    Joanne, perhaps we should call our new friend Ms. 11.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:27 pm on Tue, Mar 13, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Has anyone else noticed that Valerie Hines sounds an AWFUL lot like Darrell Baumbach? Mr. Baumbach - have you created your own advocate in the persona of Ms. Hines?

    Oh, heavens - now I sound like Mr. Liebich. What's next - pink rabbits?

     
  • Valerie Hines posted at 12:14 pm on Tue, Mar 13, 2012.

    Val Hines Posts: 11

    Darrell: "I have to strongly disagree with Ms Hines. I do not understand how she could have drawn her conclusions. She needs to think more clearly.

    In my opinion, Steve "The Man" Schmidt did not enter this tread by accident...no … not at all...he found this thread interesting and carefully analyzed it's content, spent hours in research, then assigned his team of crack assistants to leave no stone unturned... then after all this, concluded this thread was about Birch Trees and Reynold's Wrap. "

    That cracks me up. :)

     
  • Valerie Hines posted at 12:09 pm on Tue, Mar 13, 2012.

    Val Hines Posts: 11

    Schmidt: "Andrew, I have no time for "9/11 Truthers" or the intellectual filth that they peddle. I also refuse to enter into discussions with Holocaust deniers, White Supremacists and people who talk at the theater."

    Hey, Steve, I'm having trouble finding any comments in this thread having to do with 9/11 conspiracies or Holocaust deniers. Why are you bringing this up? Is this what you do on a regular basis in here? Do you ever present anything of relevance?

    Are you ever gonna answer the questions I posed to you yesterday? I'll be awaiting the anticipated "Chuckle" remark preceding a diversionary response from "Chuckles the Clown."

     
  • Valerie Hines posted at 12:00 pm on Tue, Mar 13, 2012.

    Val Hines Posts: 11

    Andrew: "Meanwhile the impeachment legislation is on the table and the FAA has granted permission for the first of 30,000 domestic drones."

    Andrew, apparently the fact that this administration is creating airspace for those 30,000 domestic drones doesn't seem to alarm many people. I don't know how LNS reported this revelation, but I can tell you that the article in the Stockton Record never even covered what these drones were gonna be used for. You're the only person I've come across who's even mentioned it. I guess people are just so complacent anymore that they don't even bat an eyelash when they read this stuff. It's just goes to show that Americans continue to live under the ill-fated presumption that the U.S. is incapable of working against "The People." If something bad comes our way....the government will "take care of us." Only governments of third-world countries or those in the Middle East are capable of corruption. That would never happen in America...because...well....this is America....and we're bad a&&, RIGHT? Sure.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 11:34 am on Tue, Mar 13, 2012.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    CBS/NY Times poll taken last week show President Obama's approval rating now at 41% while 47% disapprove, last month the President's approval rating was holding steady at 50%.

    Time for the White House to ramp up their "War on Women" attacks on the Republicans, by the looks of the most recent polling data, like they need to re-tool their message.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 9:38 am on Tue, Mar 13, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2574

    Andrew, I have no time for "9/11 Truthers" or the intellectual filth that they peddle. I also refuse to enter into discussions with Holocaust deniers, White Supremacists and people who talk at the theater.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:53 am on Tue, Mar 13, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "Andrew, I don't think Steve "The Man" Schmidt is interested in addressing those topics." Apparently he isn't Valerie...He has clearly chosen willful ignorance over thoughtful critical thinking due to his own intellectual laziness. Chuckle...Chuckle...

    Meanwhile the impeachment legislation is on the table and the FAA has granted permission for the first of 30,000 domnestic drones.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 8:21 am on Tue, Mar 13, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2574

    Chuckle.... Dan, the last I heard of Mr. Pone he was hunkered down in a bunker under Stubbs BBQ coordinating the activities of militia forces still loyal to the United States in Texas. I believe he has taken to calling himself "The Colonel". He did say that he had gotten himself a mint Garand, though, and that he was having fun putting big holes in little cans.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:39 am on Tue, Mar 13, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    daniel stated...I thought the conversation was about criticizing other people...

    Odd... I thought the criticism ws a result of the conversation... not the conversation itself..

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 12:00 am on Tue, Mar 13, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1339

    Jerome:

    I'm sorry. I didn't know that I was interrupting a discussion about this letter.

    I thought the conversation was about criticizing other people. In this enthralling discussion of 90 posts, what have you conversed that is relevant to the letter?

    What have you contributed that is of greater importance to a letter that isn't supported by any facts?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:32 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    It has been said that "Jerry is entitled to his belief. It is a fact that he believes. It does not mean that his beliefs are correct."

    An apposite response to this oh-so enthralling thought (in fact the only valid response) would be that it does not mean that his beliefs are incorrect.

    Of greater importance is neither idea contributes much value to the discourse. But of course this is simply my belief, of which I am also entitled.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 9:34 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1339

    Woops correction: "people who know that something is wrong ."

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 9:33 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1339

    All: I think Jerry Osgood stated, "I believe."

    Jerry is entitled to his belief. It is a fact that he believes. It does not mean that his beliefs are correct.

    However, I believe that society as a whole has a belief system and it is becoming more and more discontent and non-supportive.

    Accordingly, Jerry's opinion is a representative of a certain amount of people who don't know that something is wrong .

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 9:20 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1339

    John Lucas,

    I agree that the allegations you summarized on Sunday, 12:50 pm would be more interesting if they were supported.

    I also agree these allegations were not supported that it would be name-calling.

    In Jerry's defense, I suggest that he might have been exposed to too much "news"paper, or televised "news" media.


    In the case of these possibilities, he might be desparate, grasping at straws, with no hopeful knowledge; but, he might have faith that there is something truthful out there, from behind the veil that has been constructed out of news media and corporate press releases.

    I think that Jerry knows that the public images that have been constructed are not correct, and he knows something else is the truth.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 9:04 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1339

    The US Citizen - Voters gave their full and complete consent to all of the problems which beset society today, and they have noone to blame except themselves.

    The problems of our society are not going to be solved by placing blame upon someone else, not even the "elected" official.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 9:01 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1339

    For less important elections such as that of selecting state legislators, which require I believe is it 1 year and 2 year terms for Assembly and Senators (if it has not been changed since the 1849 constitution),

    ... I don't think the Voters sense any relationship between the representative that they send to Sacramento, and the problems which beset society today.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 8:59 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1339

    The memory of the average US Citizen-Voter is only about 3 years for the most important elections, such as that of the US Presidency where the Voters are guided into selecting a Chief Executive Officer for DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, INCORPORATED. (Or would it be DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, Ltd?)

    With the help of the news media, BUGS BUNNY could be appointed to the presidency, and the news media could create the illusion that BUGS BUNNY was very popular and actually did receive a landslide of votes.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 8:55 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1339

    Jerry Osgood,

    You hit on a few good points.

    What kind of insane thinking led a majority of misguided US Citizen-Voters to vote for Obama?
    Why are these same misguided US Citizen-Voters not going to commit the same grave error again?

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 8:41 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1339

    Steve Schmidt,

    Should I call you “Leonard”?

    The only person that I ever knew who continuously typed “chuckle” was Leonard. I noticed you typing “chuckle” quite frequently, lately. That’s very interesting. I also think it’s very interesting that you enjoy the John Birch Society very much, a complete waste of time. I think it would be very strange of Leonard to completely disappear ever since we lost our anonymity. I have hoped and wondered if he is safe because he has been absent for a very long time.

    There were a few other alter-ego’s, and I would not be surprised if they were not one and the same as Leonard.

    I have to think that your personality resembles his in very many ways.

    Otherwise, I thank you for promoting my name into posterity, in my absence.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:33 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Kinderman stated...And just who might Mr. "5881" be? For the life of me I can't find him. Quite odd, actually; not at all brilliant...

    You see Mr Schmidt and Ms Bobin.... Mr Kinderman can easily make good points with very few words... in my view, that is a skill I lack but wish I had... it is a sign of brilliance.

    Pat stated... You can think all you want and have the best ideas in the world...but if you do not act on them or share them so that others might act upon them (or question them)...what good are they and what good can they bring?

    Your wisdom results in clarity for many.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:22 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Hines stated... I'm guessing he stumbled into this thread on accident thinking it was a thread about Birch trees and Reynold's Wrap.

    I have to strongly disagree with Ms Hines. I do not understand how she could have drawn her conclusions. She needs to think more clearly.

    In my opinion, Steve "The Man" Schmidt did not enter this tread by accident...no … not at all...he found this thread interesting and carefully analyzed it's content, spent hours in research, then assigned his team of crack assistants to leave no stone unturned... then after all this, concluded this thread was about Birch Trees and Reynold's Wrap.

    I do admit though that I could be wrong about this and Valerie Hines right... this would not be my first error in judgment or the last.

     
  • Valerie Hines posted at 6:59 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Val Hines Posts: 11

    Andrew says: "Mr. Schmidt,
    Which do you believe to be "conspiracy theory" the impeachment issue or the 30,000 domestic drones?"

    Andrew, I don't think Steve "The Man" Schmidt is interested in addressing those topics. Based on his first response to me and his reference to "Birchers" and "tinfoil," I'm guessing he stumbled into this thread on accident thinking it was a thread about Birch trees and Reynold's Wrap. He must have mixed LNS up with a forum he was involved in on a Martha Stewart website. That's the only explanation I can think of.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 6:38 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    I thought I was a genius...until I realized I was in an insane asylum...me.

    I AM somebody...Muhammed Ali

    Yes you are...my mother

    Yes you can...my sister

    Yes you have...my wife

    You are a good grandson...Grandma Maple

    They thought that...I just delivered.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 6:31 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Best line of the thread: I think I'm gonna have to acquire some stock in Depends if I spend too much more time here!!!!

    DB: I think therefore I am...applies to you too. It isn't the thinking man who retains value, rather the man who will act upon the information given to him. You can think all you want and have the best ideas in the world...but if you do not act on them or share them so that others might act upon them (or question them)...what good are they and what good can they bring?

    Had Oppenheimer not invented the A-Bomb, someone else might have and may have used it for a much more problematic ending to the war. I thought about that...

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 6:29 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    And just who might Mr. "5881" be? For the life of me I can't find him. Quite odd, actually; not at all brilliant.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:16 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mr. Schmidt,
    Which do you believe to be "conspiracy theory" the impeachment issue or the 30,000 domestic drones?

    As for your latest idiotic comment, "if you just want to talk about some fictional universe where the UN is something more than a calcified international debating club" I can only suggest you listen to Panetta's testimony before the Senate from just last week... http://youtu.be/JkDyKHYPO7g

    My guess is you will once again choose willful ignorance over thoughtful critical thinking due to your own intellectual laziness...

     
  • Valerie Hines posted at 6:06 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Val Hines Posts: 11

    Mr. Baumbach says: "Interesting history Ms Bobin. But... whats your point? Just as in life , some people in these posts evolve and change when new information is presented. Mr Liebich first entered LNS when a discussion of 9/11 took place. I disagreed with his conclusions and still do. As time went by, Mr Liebich addressed various topics in which he demonstrated he is a thinking man and draws conclusions from information he as reviewed. I would be silly to not recognize he is thoughtful even though at times I disagree with his conclusions. ( As he disagrees with mine)"

    An example of mature commentary rarely witnessed these days.

     
  • Valerie Hines posted at 6:00 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Val Hines Posts: 11

    Mr. Schmidt says: ". If you want to have a discussion of the real world, well then I am your man, but, if you just want to talk about some fictional universe where the UN is something more than a calcified international debating club, then I suspect you would be happier with our dear friend Andrew."

    You're "the man" to discuss the "real world" with, eh? Well, by all means.....let me step aside, then, as I'm sure there are political intellectuals across the globe who are standing in line hoping to glean a piece of wisdom from "The Man."

    You slay me, Schmidt. I think I'm gonna have to acquire some stock in Depends if I spend too much more time here.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:52 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Steve Schmidt stated...Joanne wrote: "Mr. 5881 "...Brilliant!

    Let me think... why would he think it brilliant.
    Well, what would JoAnne or anyone else reference the number of posts any individual
    has and associate that reference with a persons brand. Hummm... I guess Steve realizes Ms Bobin has had a momentary glimpse of something in the real world and observes what this must mean to her. She actually made a comment about something she did not glean from the Stewart show and wanted to reinforce this good behavior so she would repeat that activity in the future... ( first possibility)

    or... She was mocking me taking the time to offer what I think more than any other poster for her own personal shortcomings … Steve, being the mocking resident in chief appreciated her mocking and only wished he had thought of it himself... thus in hindsight, he felt her genuinely to be brilliant. ( second possibility)...

    Either way... the cartoon that always comes through in the Bobin and Steve Show is highly entertaining.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:58 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...It has finally come to light that the only reason Mr. 5881 posts comments here is to make himself believe that he is one of the great thinkers of the 21st century.

    Please Ms Bobin... me?... think I am a great thinker? Not only do I not think that, I do not think anyone else perceives that I am. I simply do my best to make sense of the world around me and try to think things through.

    Just in this small world in the Lodi News online forum, Mr Kinderman, Maple, Liebich , Ms Hines, Mr Musto and Kevin ... even Manuel Martinez has great thinking skills that I wish I had. I would also admit, when you Ms Bobin, stay away from your bigot juice and Stewart training, have wonderful thinking skills... so please.... stop with the false accusations that I think I am a superior thinker... not even close... All I can say is... I do not see bigots around every corner or think anything Stewart has to say is anything but a comedians desire to make himself successful and rich. I would never refer to Stewart in making any point except if I was attempting to be funny.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:35 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Interesting history Ms Bobin. But... whats your point? Just as in life , some people in these posts evolve and change when new information is presented. Mr Liebich first entered LNS when a discussion of 9/11 took place. I disagreed with his conclusions and still do. As time went by, Mr Liebich addressed various topics in which he demonstrated he is a thinking man and draws conclusions from information he as reviewed. I would be silly to not recognize he is thoughtful even though at times I disagree with his conclusions. ( As he disagrees with mine)

    One thing is clear however, he does not look to the Stewart show, ”like you” to confirm his reality. He also has never insisted that he sees bigots around every corner in Lodi... like you. In essence, Mr Liebich demonstrated sound thinking where as you have demonstrated irrational thinking ...as each day that goes by you see more bigots around more corners.
    I'm just waiting for the day you report seeing pink rabbits behind every tree.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 4:24 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2574

    Joanne wrote: "Mr. 5881 "

    Brilliant!

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 4:23 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2574

    Honestly, Valerie, I have no interest in conversing with conspiracy theorists. If you want to have a discussion of the real world, well then I am your man, but, if you just want to talk about some fictional universe where the UN is something more than a calcified international debating club, then I suspect you would be happier with our dear friend Andrew.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:40 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    And just think, Mr. Baumbach was writing the following about Mr. Liebich back in October and December. Wonder what has changed his mind.

    "Again... thank you Andrew. I'm not sure I deserve such kind recognition from you, but I will accept the gesture. Everytime you make clear I am at a different intelligent level than you, I am thankful … Being trapped at your level would be a bad dream come true."

    and

    "Yes Andrew... I do share your concern that people in power can abuse people's rights... and your intent is a good one. However, that does not have anything to do with this bill... think Andrew... you need to think instead of generating outrage from an emotional platform. This is not a logic problem, its an emotional one that you and Klee share."

    and

    "Chicken Little is out of control... relax Mr Little. You are making a mountain out of a grain of sand."

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:20 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach wrote:

    "Example...instead of actually addressing the points of Mr Liebich , he simply implies he needs medication and should not be taken seriously... and when I make a point or ask Mr Schmidt for actual facts, he calls me smoky employing the same lazy liberal tactics... The humorous thing is that he actually has followers like K lee and Alex who fondly are very impressed with his posts... liberal think in action. Then you have Ms Bobin who sees bigots around every corner and thinks the Stewart show is a documentary...who thinks Mr Schmidt is in reality.... the key stone liberals with the blind leading the blind... how comical can it get...not much more."

    It has finally come to light that the only reason Mr. 5881 posts comments here is to make himself believe that he is one of the great thinkers of the 21st century.

    I guess I missed the part of his post where HE responded to Mr. Liebich's comments. Betcha he's taking a break from his jungle tour to research drones being dispatched to kill Americans on US soil. Let's see what he comes up with.

    And, Mr. 5881 posts, if you are going to mock someone, at least be accurate about it. Since you have an archive of ALL of my posts (flattered or freaked out?), please cite the one where I said I believed The Daily Show was a documentary. At least you have stopped claiming wild exaggerations about the other part of your comment after I called you on it.

    None of your comments cited above have any place in this forum except to belittle and besmirch (YOUR favorite words, btw) others' characters.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 1:23 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Ms Hines: OOOOraaaahhhh. For the liberals: Let's separate the use of drones and military strategies Bush had one BO does not: We now have an argument over who used/didn't use and for what purpose that people were killed. People get killed in wars...men, women and children...can you say suicide bombers? The question of this article was if BO was devious. I earlier defined the term and concluded: YES....as has millions of other Americans from both parties and some of those in between.

    In the vein of Ms Hines post: Answer her questions and you will conclude the same.

    All of the sult calling, Solyndras and recalls will not change the facts...just the time...in which the obvious is realized.

     
  • Valerie Hines posted at 12:34 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Val Hines Posts: 11

    Steve, I'm guessing that's a nervous chuckle.....the kind people offer up when they want to avoid addressing the topic of a discussion. Or, maybe I'm being presumptuous, and you did type some response to my earlier post that was actually relevant and you accidentally pressed the "Post comment" key too early and that part was cut off. I'll give you another chance, okay?

    Can you explain to me why it appears you don't believe there has been treason committed in our government by both parties? Do you believe this two-party system has been beneficial overall, and that we should continue down this path of bi-partisan politics? Do you have the ability to step outside your party loyalties to see things independently without bias? Do you believe this country's government remains loyal to Americans? Do you think this country is any less corruptible than another, and, if not, do you think it's only conservatives that are corrupt? Do you think our media tells the truth? Is it your belief that Americans should not speak out when their government leaders shows signs of working against the will of "The People" who voted them into office?

    Are you a plumber who can rescue us from the sewer?

    And...lastly, can you explain to me why you are talking about tin foil? You're gonna have to do more than shuck and jive here, or I'm gonna have to assume you're just goofing around....in which case you'd probably have better luck visiting the "Jokes" forum on Craigslist...or some forum of that nature.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:31 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    Mr. Lucas suggested that the author of this letter has resorted to playground childish antics by stating that "This sort of name calling most of us left behind back in the third grade."

    Actually all he's done is to make a valid comparison against other despots who some believe resemble our current president. How is this "name calling?" Someone quite wise once said that if we fail to remember the past, we will be condemned to relive it (or words to that effect. You might want to consider those words Mr. Lucas as they might very well come back to haunt us – and very soon.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:15 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Valerie,
    Do not be surprised as Mr. Schmidt has once again chosen willful ignorance over thoughtful critical thinking due to his own intellectual laziness.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 11:31 am on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2574

    Chuckle...

    Howdy Valerie. Welcome to our little conversation here. We haven't had a real Bircher in these parts since Daniel Hutchins communed with the ghost of John Birch and discovered that the society was conspiring to contaminate his Precious Bodily Fluids. I raise this glass of still purified mineral water in your honor.

    Remember, keep your tinfoil hat firmly attached to your head and watch for the black helicopters.

    Minus imperium, magis responsabilitatis, et - cun Dei auxilium - a melius mundi!

     
  • Valerie Hines posted at 10:53 am on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Val Hines Posts: 11

    Mr. Schmidt, I just want to thank you ahead of time for all the effort you, and others like you, have put into the destruction of America with your inability to view things outside your political party loyalties. I really mean it... I appreciate the way you proudly parade around your blind loyalties within a two-party system that lost it's usefulness decades ago. As America circles the drain, I can only hope you are a plumber.

    Bush and Obama, as well as the members of their administrations have all been treasonous, but people don't want to accept that. Corruption in government and the media only occurs in those "terrorist" countries, right? What happens when the government who is considered the international "super power" becomes corrupt? Do you not think this has happened? It is disgusting for conservatives, liberals, or anyone to make excuses or try to deny what these administrations have done to this country and many others. In fact, it is reprehensible.

    It's time to start looking at the big picture. We're not only talking about a corrupt government or a handful of ruthless elites. There's also a little organization known as the "U.N." who is knocking at your back door right now,. Can you hear them?

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 6:20 am on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    The US government reported Friday that 45 "suspected" militants were killed by drone attacks in Yemen. Yemen?????

    Is this President Obama's version of "cowboy diplomacy?"

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:57 pm on Sun, Mar 11, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mr. Schmidt,
    You are correct in saying "both parties have betrayed the American people" and guess what...they will continue to do so because empty minds like yours are easily manipulated.

    Are you going to address the impeachment issue or the 30,000 drones or are you just going to continue sleepwalking through your life functioning as a cog?

    P.S. I'm not the one to blame for your ignorance.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:43 pm on Sun, Mar 11, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Steve stated...just to clarify here, you do remember that your buddy Andrew believes in his heart of heart that the last Republican President of the United States murdered 3,000 Americans on 9/11...

    Thanks Steve! It adds much to the dialogue when you finally clarify something.
    I made a point that you attack the messenger by maligning his character instead of refuting the messengers point with facts and information. You then offer to clarify by stating the messenger is crazy and just plain nuts. However, you still have not addressed any point he originally made... so did I get it right Steve? Did I understand exactly what you intended to clarify?

    What amazes me is that there are actually people out there that think Steve is thoughtful and intelligent.
    He refutes my points by calling me a supporter of pedophiles and a doper (smoky) and each person he opposes is dealt with my name calling and distortions of reality... Thank you for clarifying Steve... its very clear now.
    Finally, I might disagree with Andrew on certain points of view and I will not speak for him in regards to your point about BUSH. However, just because I disagree with him on some points does not mean all his points are invalid like you suggest. If you would address on point at a time and refute with facts instead of character assassination attempts, you might be believed better by people who can reason.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 6:45 pm on Sun, Mar 11, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2574

    Darrell, just to clarify here, you do remember that your buddy Andrew believes in his heart of heart that the last Republican President of the United States murdered 3,000 Americans on 9/11. Now you know that I am about as far from being a fan of George W. Bush as a man can be but, my friend, that little bit of nonsense is plain old bat spit CRAZY.

    One would think that shinolah like that would be enough to make any sane person take Andrew's further babbling with a grain of salt the size of Montana.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:35 pm on Sun, Mar 11, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Typical Mr Schmidt... a true liberal at heart. Attack the messenger and malign his character. At no time should a liberal engage in actual facts ...just distract and distort...yes... a true die hard liberal on display.

    Example...instead of actually addressing the points of Mr Liebich , he simply implies he needs medication and should not be taken seriously... and when I make a point or ask Mr Schmidt for actual facts, he calls me smoky employing the same lazy liberal tactics... The humorous thing is that he actually has followers like K lee and Alex who fondly are very impressed with his posts... liberal think in action. Then you have Ms Bobin who sees bigots around every corner and thinks the Stewart show is a documentary...who thinks Mr Schmidt is in reality.... the key stone liberals with the blind leading the blind... how comical can it get...not much more.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 4:48 pm on Sun, Mar 11, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2574

    Mr Liebich has taken leave of both his senses and his meds if he thinks that any of the serious Republican contenders for the White House will be better than the current occupant in the realm of civil liberties.

    This is an area in which both parties have betrayed the American people.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:51 pm on Sun, Mar 11, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I can only conclude that Mr. Schmidt has chosen willful ignorance over thoughtful critical thinking due to his own intellectual laziness and overpowering mind manipulation by the propaganda spewing from his television. Get ready to look up at the sky and see drones hovering above Mr. Schmidt. 30,000 drones are expected to fill American skies within ten years, the U.S. government has officially declared war on the American people, turning to technology normally used to hunt down insurgents abroad as the whole arsenal of the war on terror is re-focused domestically.

    In December, Obama administration lawyers reaffirmed their backing for state sponsored assassination, claiming that "U.S. citizens are legitimate military targets"

    Some types of surveillance drones are already being used by police departments across the country, including in Montgomery County, Texas, where the Department of Homeland Security recently gave the go-ahead for law enforcement in the United States to deploy the ShadowHawk mini drone drone helicopter that has the ability to taze suspects from above as well as carrying 12-gauge shotguns and grenade launchers.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 1:57 pm on Sun, Mar 11, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2574

    Have either of the Republican front runners suggested that they would in anyway curtail drone strikes on terrorist targets if they are elected to the Presidency?

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 1:56 pm on Sun, Mar 11, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2574

    I am trying to understand the conservative perspective here. Are y'all arguing that it is always bad to kill Al Queda and Taliban using drones or are you just saying it is bad to do it when a Democrat is in the White House?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:50 pm on Sun, Mar 11, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Jerry said "We still have a chance to prevent such disaster, but only if we act now and put the facts before the public.''

    His allegations:

    The President may be evil
    The President intends to destroy capitalism
    The President wants to destroy our Judeo-Christian foundation and way of life.
    The President is like Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Castro

    His facts

    None

    This sort of name calling most of us left behind back in the third grade

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 12:36 pm on Sun, Mar 11, 2012.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    "the Bush Administration used drones all the time."

    President Bush hasn't been office for three years now, maybe you should get out more????

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 12:32 pm on Sun, Mar 11, 2012.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Two US servicemen were killed in Southern Afghanistan by a Hellfire missile mistakenly fired by a Predator drone.

    MSNBC.Com reported that friendly fire attack back in April 2011 took the life of Marine Staff Sergent Jeremy Smith 26 and Navy Corpsman Benjamin Rast 23.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:13 am on Sun, Mar 11, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Are any of you even aware of the fact that official impeachment proceedings have now been filed in both the House and Senate? Of course not...

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:07 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Steve stated... Darrell, the Bush Administration used drones all the time. I don't know what you are talking about and I get the feeling neither do you.


    Really STeve... I think you are inflicted with the Ostrich Head in the Sand Syndrome...

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,722583,00.html


    10/12/2010
    Obama's Shadowy Drone War

    Taking Out the Terrorists by Remote Control

    By Klaus Brinkbäumer and John Goetz

    In the 21 months since his inauguration, President Obama has ordered or approved 120 drone attacks on Pakistan. There were 22 such attacks in September 2010 alone, reportedly killing more than 100 people. In contrast, Obama's predecessor Bush ordered just 60 attacks in eight years.

    Obama has made drones the centerpiece of his strategy in the fight against the Taliban and al-Qaida. These terrifying weapons circle over Afghanistan and Pakistan, changing the war and making it colder and more anonymous than before. They pose a constant threat, can be operated with the push of a button and, according to the CIA, are precise -- at least most of the time.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:53 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    Mr. Baumbach aptly stated, "When Obama sends real drones that kill many people, all you hear is "THE SOUNDS OF SILENCE"... or a press clip showing Obama a brave man who protects the innocent... GIVE ME A BREAK!"

    Yes, give us a break indeed. I wonder just where in the Oval Office that "Peace Prize" is prominently displayed and whether whoever has the honor of dusting it on a daily basis rolls their eyes in wonder. But yes, I suppose I forgot that it wasn’t presented to this man for anything he had done, but for the promise of what he would actually do. Clearly our distinguished president was worthy owing to the requirement that he “...shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.” (http://www.nobelprize.org/alfred_nobel/will/short_testamente.html)

    As for President Bush's use of drones or other methods to protect our men and women in the field, it wasn't he who promised to end the war(s) within a matter of a few months of assuming the presidency (the schedule he followed to withdraw from Iraq is Bush’s). No, Obama has proved to be an abject failure on all fronts.

    Nevertheless, I actually fear that regardless of the nothingness of this presidency, he will likely be given an additional four years. And that only proves how apathetic and pathetic we are as a nation. Sure, Mrs. Obama might be proud, but I’m not.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 9:24 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2574

    Darrell, the Bush Administration used drones all the time. I don't know what you are talking about and I get the feeling neither do you.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:44 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Crowder stated... Kinderman, your contention that at the time of his election, there was an "absense of any background information about our current president" is absurd...

    What is much more absurd is Mr Crowder's perception that ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBS, PBS or any other Obama media communication networks actually present the information that is out there accurately. If George Bush even thought about sending a drone, the Obama Communication Network work say Bush a monster of hate and destruction killing women, childen and babies.
    When Obama sends real drones that kill many people, all you hear is " THE SOUNDS OF SILENCE"... or a press clip showing Obama a brave man who protects the innocent... GIVE ME A BREAK!

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:06 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Steve,

    I did not realize there was an alternative spelling of Natanyahu for that specific reason.
    I guess I'm free and clear on this occasion.

    Watch the video I posted at 7:37. Friedman and Kaplan aren't journalistic hacks. They are for real.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 8:02 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2574

    Make that "those in Israel who oppose his regime".

    One think that Americans miss is the fact that folks like Netanyahu are often quite unpopular in Israel itself but they manage to cling to power by navigating the countries byzantine parliamentary system.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 7:41 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2574

    Oh Brian, I can spell it, I just chose to use the alternative spelling favored by those who oppose in Israel who oppose his regime. I did not realize that you counted yourself in that number.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:38 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Oh,

    I'm fairly sure they can spell Netanyahu. :)

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:37 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsYmm-dDXvM

    Confronting Iran's Growing Ambitions (Agenda)

    Steve,

    This is a good piece from Stratfor.com I appreciate George Friedman AND Robert Kaplan's POV.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:19 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Steve wrote:

    posted at 1:09 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.
    I do not believe that President Obama's policies are "anti Israel".

    As my Israeli friends are fond of reminding me, the Netanyahoo Administration is not Israel. To say that it is anti Israel for the President to disagree with Netanyahoo is like saying it is anti American for you to disagree with President Obama.

    -Knew you spelled his name wrong all along. Just playing along with ya. So I take it you don't trust yourself? :) And thank you for the compliment on my analysis. We may not always agree. But you have a good sense of things too. Although I can't always tell when you're being sarcastic. Stick a smiley face in your comments. Especially if you reitterate Romney will repudiate the Reagan Revolution. I don't think many caught that tongue-in-cheek moment.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 7:04 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2574

    Brian, compelling as your analysis of the geopolitical situation in the Mideast may be, you will excuse me if I continue to put my trust in people who can actually spell "Netanyahu".

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:34 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Steve,

    Either you agree with BO or you don't. I gave you the scenerio if BO gets his way.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 6:02 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Clever? There's no clever in politics...

    Devious? Deceitful, tricky, scheming, designing, wily, underhanded, conniving Machiavellian, sneaky, cunning, crafty sly, circuitous, deceitful, roundabout, windy oblique, meandering, tortuous, winding???...yep:

    not straightforward, sincere, or honest about intentions or motives

    not adhering to the right or usual course, procedures, or standards

    circuitous and roundabout, usually changing direction many times

    They all ar... BO is just not as good at it...remember his administration is totally transparent...we get to watch him do it right in front of our eyes.

    So... Mr Osgod...you are right in your assessment.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 4:45 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2574

    Brian stuttered: "I don't find it comforting there are people like you who believe once the sacrificial lamb (the Jews) are wiped off the face of the Earth the Islamists will lay down their arms and go back to being peacefull."

    Brian, you are no better at guessing what I believe than you are at spelling.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 2:33 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Steve,

    I don't find it comforting there are people like you who believe once the sacrificial lamb
    (the Jews) are wiped off the face of the Earth the Islamists will lay down their arms and go back to being peacefull.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 2:28 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Steve,

    I hope you and your Israeli friends are right if Israel finds itself with no land left and living on houseboats the Palestinians ( another word for Islamists) will no longer feel the need to conquer other lands. But, it is quite the contrary, since Hamas, Al Qaeda,
    the Palestianians, the Taliban, and the Muslim Brotherhood all have the same agenda
    as directed by the Koran.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 2:06 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Steve,

    Regardless of the fact your Israeli friends believe Netanyahoo is not Israel I highly doubt they agree with Obama Israel's borders should go back to pre 1967 levels. Unless they are pro-Palestinian, that being, willing to be prepared to live under a much higher threat of less democracy in what will be left of Israel if Obama gets his way, God forbid.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 1:09 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2574

    Brian, I do not believe that President Obama's policies are "anti Israel".

    As my Israeli friends are fond of reminding me, the Netanyahoo Administration is not Israel. To say that it is anti Israel for the President to disagree with Netanyahoo is like saying it is anti American for you to disagree with President Obama.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:08 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    If you really want to silence her Brian ask her why Obama is backing Hamas, AlQueda, and the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria and Libya...

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 12:27 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    I suppose my last post will fall on deaf ears with Ms. Bobin since it refutes her opinion about David Horowitz.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 12:24 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    This is in response to Ms. Bobin's response about the DHFC

    http://freebeacon.com/cap-islamophobia-report-hijacked/

    CAP “Islamophobia” Report Hijacked

    Author has ties to Muslim Brotherhood affiliate

    A clip:

    The co-author of a provocative report on “Islamophobia” has ties to a Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated organization and is the host of a website known for trafficking in radical, anti-Israel propaganda.

    Wajahat Ali is a self described “playwright, essayist, and attorney.” He is also the co-author of “Fear Inc.: The Roots of the Islamophobia Network in America,” a Center for American Progress-sponsored report that purports to expose the “small, tightly networked group of misinformation experts” on the right who aim to reach “millions of Americans through effective advocates, media partners, and grass-roots organizing.”

    In the 132 page report, Ali and his cohorts at CAP attempt to take a scholarly approach to Islamophobia, building the case that a small faction of well-funded right-wing activists are solely responsible for perpetuating pernicious stereotypes about American Muslims. A number of critics have objected to the report as misleading.

    Ali, however, has long aligned himself with a cadre of radical commentators who routinely condemn Zionism and attack the state of Israel as racist.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 12:15 pm on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Steve,

    You made the point Obama is not the President of Israel. Does that mean you agree with his Anti-Israel position?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 11:58 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    David Horowitz is a Jew. And we know how Ms. Bobin wants to advance the notion
    Islamists are driven to do what they do ONLY because of the Jews. In her mind, if it's only about the Jews it's not really a big deal.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 11:54 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Ms. Bobin wrote:

    The fine propaganda piece suggested for viewing by Mr. Docktor, courtesy of the David Horowitz Freedom Center. Now we know where Mr. Docktor gets all of his Islamophobic ideas.:

    -The idea Ms. Bobin wants to advance that if 'Christians and other non-Islamic religions were to just mind their own business, the Islamists will just leave us alone' is just pure propaganda. And people should fear Islamic terrorists. However, the left wants to paint the picture people fear Muslims, in general, hence their accusation, people are islamophobPerhapsic, is justified in their minds. Perhaps Ms. Bobin has no desire to investigate how Sharia Law is creeping into many societies. In her mind, since she has no desire, then other people, in turn, should not have any desire because she has concluded it is pure propaganda.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 11:42 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Good Point Steve. However, that's besides the point. But thanks for pointing that out.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 10:50 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2574

    Obama is the President of the United States, not Israel.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 10:35 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Ms. Bobin wrote;

    Regarding the DHFC:

    In its 2011 report, "Fear Incorporated: the Roots of the Islamophobia Network in the United States" the Center for American Progress cited Horowitz as a prominent figure instrumental in demonizing Islam and spreading fear about an Islamic takeover of Western society. Horowitz declared "No people has shown itself so morally sick as the Palestinians ... Not only are they sick, nasty terrorists, but they're racists."[

    -Islam has demonized itself by allowing the radicals to have such influence. And Europe is being taken over. I consider Europe a part of Western society .

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 10:24 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Clearly Ms. Bobin doesn't want to discuss the worldwide persecution of Christians around the world by Islamists. Her excuse is it's mainly propaganda rvrn though there is overwhelming evidence this is happening and is being reported on a daily basis by media and religious organizations all over the world. Of course she has proof the Voice of The Martyrs website is a prime example of this propaganda. Her POV isn't much different than the President of Iran. Specifily when he implies all those pictures of the Holocaust were just made up.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:12 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Osgood wrote: "Now, something more sinister is in the works. I believe President Obama is an agent for Islam as well as Socialism. He wants to destroy our Judeo-Christian foundation and way of life."

    This is something new to Mr. Osgood? People (and FOX News) have been claiming this since he began running for president in 2008 (crazy lady at the McCain rally) followed up by TEA Party rallies and their famous posters depicting Obama as everything from a monkey to Hitler - OH, I forgot, those were not TEA Partiers, they were rogue participants NOT related to the TEA Party.

    Osgood simply takes the same letter he has been writing for the past three years and rearranges the sentences and paragraphs to make it appear to his fans that he is writing something new and brilliant.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:04 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    The fine propaganda piece suggested for viewing by Mr. Docktor, courtesy of the David Horowitz Freedom Center. Now we know where Mr. Docktor gets all of his Islamophobic ideas.:

    Regarding the DHFC:

    In its 2011 report, "Fear Incorporated: the Roots of the Islamophobia Network in the United States" the Center for American Progress cited Horowitz as a prominent figure instrumental in demonizing Islam and spreading fear about an Islamic takeover of Western society. Horowitz declared "No people has shown itself so morally sick as the Palestinians ... Not only are they sick, nasty terrorists, but they're racists."[

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 10:03 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    For 50 years the Democratic party has completely controlled the public education system. And for 50 years Blacks and other minorities have been thrown under the bus.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 10:01 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    The evidence the Democratic Party is the main oppressors of Blacks is overwhelming. Since Obama took office, The Black unemplyoment rate is at an all time high of 17 percent Not only does Obama not look out for his own kind, he proudly carries the torch for the Democratic Party.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:54 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304066504576341212934894494.html

    An Anti-Israel President
    The president's peace proposal is a formula for war.


    A clip:

    The contempt was again on display Sunday, when Mr. Obama spoke to the Aipac policy conference in Washington. The speech was stocked with the perennial bromides about U.S.-Israeli friendship, which brought an anxious crowd to its feet a few times. As for the rest, it was a thin tissue of falsehoods, rhetorical legerdemain, telling omissions and self-contradictions. Let's count the ways.

    For starters, it would be nice if the president could come clean about whether his line about the 1967 line—"mutually agreed swaps" and all—was pathbreaking and controversial, or no big deal. On Sunday, Mr. Obama congratulated himself for choosing the hard road to Mideast peace as he prepares for re-election, only to offer a few minutes later that "there was nothing particularly original in my proposal."

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:48 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Obama - The Anti-Israel President

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Nn0oTtvq-Yw

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:47 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    But Steve insists we should ignore his long laundry list of devious intentions.
    Granted Bush was also no angel. It's just Obama has set a precedent of being the first Ant-Israel President ever.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:44 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2850

    Clearly Obama has devious intentions. Case in point. He wants to return Israel's boundries to pre 1967. He knows darn well it amounts to Israel being 9 miles wide and defensless to Hamas and the Palestinians.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 9:06 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2574

    Of course, in a pinch, you can use a Murdoch tabloid to wipe your bottom or clean up some spilled Santorum (if that happens to be part of your lifestyle). FOX News, on the other hand, is completely useless.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:01 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Obama is unquestionably impeachable. In fact, this has been the case since day 3 of his presidency, when he ordered a drone attack on Pakistan (a country with which we are not at war) that killed 28 people, several of which were reportedly children. But instead of being removed from office he was awarded the 2009 Nobel Prize for Peace? Is there a better example of how completely upside down things have become in this perpetual warfare world?

    The Bush regime operated as if the Constitution did not exist. Any semblance of constitutional government that remained after the Bush years was terminated when Congress passed and President Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act. One wonders how the National Rifle Association, the defender of the Second Amendment, will now fare. If there is no Constitution, how can there be a Second Amendment? If the President, at his discretion, can set aside habeas corpus and due process and murder citizens based on unproven suspicions, why can’t he set aside the Second Amendment?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 8:51 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    By the way folks, "hate" is as valid an emotion as love. It's how we manage our emotions that should be the issue. That being said, I don't believe Mr. Osgood was acting out of any over-the-top emotion either way when writing his letter.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 8:31 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2574

    Jerry scrawled in a paranoid fever: "The non-Fox News media is doing a grave disservice to this country"

    Or so says FOX News....

    Honestly Jerry, aside from tapping the phones of murder and rape victims, the sole purpose of Rupert Murdoch's media empire is to dispense lies, disinformation and propaganda. FOX News is just the American version of a British tabloid.

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 8:28 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    The letter is filled with unbridled paranoia and fear. The cheese has slid off Jerry's cracker, and he needs help.

    Kinderman, your contention that at the time of his election, there was an "absense of any background information about our current president" is absurd. The level of scrutiny that candidates and their families are subjected to by their opponents, the media, and special interest groups is enough to keep many fine people out of public life.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:19 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 8:11 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    "Obama was elected?" So what? What on Earth does that have to do with the issue here? Because he was elected we're supposed to have our mouths sealed shut? There are far too many people who have no basic understanding of our Constitution and the rights protected under it. That one comment did indeed have me "laughing out loud" LOL!

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 8:09 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    What hate? Mr. Osgood is simply setting forth his take on what is going on in this nation, nothing more or less. He asks some very valid questions in his first paragraph regarding the absence of any background information about our current president. Is he the first to wonder where the MSM were when Obama was indeed "thrust into the presidency?" No, so here we are once more ready to embark on another presidential race with very little more to consider about him except for all that he's "accomplished" during his first three-plus years at the helm of what is clearly a foundering nation.

    Like many others out here, we're very concerned about not only the failed policies of the Obama regime, but where he might eventually "lead" us when he become unleashed from the tethers of another campaign if he is granted a second term. Without that holding him back, what indeed should we expect the morphing to finally reveal about the man?

    Nevertheless, where was the outrage when President Bush was pilloried on a near-daily basis with all forms of accusations against his character and his policies? As an example, Bush’s picture was plastered for all to see with a Hitler-esque mustache with little concern; but apply that same make-up to Barack H. Obama? Wow!! Racists everywhere! The hypocrisy is maddening.

    But this is what our nation was founded upon: the right for us to speak our minds. With the advances in technology, that right has been afforded to other forms of “speech” that the Founders were certainly unable to foresee. Where I grow weary are those who make such comments about people who have the courage to speak their minds even in a little newspaper like the Lodi News-Sentinel; a right that some of us hold dear. It gets old, very old indeed.

     
  • Rick Houdack posted at 7:53 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Rick Houdack Posts: 179

    Obama was elected.
    Everything Osgood has to say is just more mindless hate.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 7:47 am on Sat, Mar 10, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1443

    Where do people find this kind of stuff? Mr. Osgood spends way too much time on the internet. What's it like to wake up every morning and filling yourself with absolute hate? That can't be healthy.

    Is there some sort of therapy for people who hate everything about everything? If there is, Mr. Osgood and several other contributors to LTE could certainly benefit from it.

     

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