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Posted: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 12:00 am

Fluoride joins lead, arsenic, methylmercury, toluene, tetrachloroethylene and other chemicals known to cause harm to brains. Fluoride is newly classified as a developmental neurotoxin by medical authorities in the March 2014 journal Lancet Neurology. The authors are Dr. Philippe Grandjean of the Harvard School of Public Health and Dr. Philip Landrigan of the Icahn School of Medicine.

The authors write, “A meta-analysis of 27 cross-sectional studies of children exposed to fluoride in drinking water, mainly from China, suggests an average IQ decrement of about seven points in children exposed to raised fluoride concentrations.” The majority of these 27 studies had water fluoride levels that the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency currently allows in the U.S. — less than 4 milligrams per liter.

Developmental neurotoxins are capable of causing widespread brain disorders such as autism, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, learning disabilities and other cognitive impairments. The harm is often untreatable and permanent.

The authors say it’s crucial to control the use of all harmful chemicals to protect children’s brain development: “Fluoride seems to fit in with lead, mercury and other poisons that cause chemical brain drain,” Grandjean says. “The effect of each toxicant may seem small, but the combined damage on a population scale can be serious, especially because the brain power of the next generation is crucial to all of us.”

In light of the new classification of fluoride as a dangerous neurotoxin, we should follow the evidence and reduce fluoride intake, not increase it. Unfortunately, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control reports 276 million Americans are consuming fluoridated drinking water, largely as a result of the CDC’s vigorous advocacy to maintain and increase those numbers.

But the CDC’s own evidence reveals Americans already show signs of fluoride overexposure, and reports that 41 percent of American teenagers have dental fluorosis, a physical marker that they ingested too much fluoride while their teeth were forming. Why would the CDC persist in going against the tide of evidence to promote higher fluoride intake? Sadly, it seems, health agencies in fluoridated countries seem to be more intent on protecting their fluoridation program than protecting children’s brains.

Alex Aliferis


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  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:07 am on Wed, Mar 26, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    You have been provided the most recent article regarding fluoride.

    MARCH 2014! [sleeping]

    p.s. "Fluoride consumed during tooth development can also result in a range of visible changes to the enamel surface of the tooth. These changes have been broadly termed dental fluorosis, or dental fluorosis."
    -Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:38 pm on Mon, Mar 24, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2865


    Of course Ms. Bobbin has always followed the rules to a "T". And she has especially never insluted anyone or called other posters names. And I have some beachfront property I can sell you in Blythe, CA.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:32 pm on Mon, Mar 24, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Which posters did I call any names or direct any personal insults towards Ms. Bobin?

  • robert maurer posted at 3:50 pm on Mon, Mar 24, 2014.

    mason day Posts: 485

    If I trusted the FDA, I would not be in the excellent health I am today as evidenced by my last complete checkup last month. I found more recent articles regarding fluoride than 1944-2007. Try 2011-2013. Medical news today.Delta Dental Ins. Science Daily, for a start. Fluoride in rat poison? No wonder I still use traps and the ones I catch have clean sharp white teeth, except for the big old ones whose teeth do as all aged animals'teeth do, including humans'. Fluoride hardens the enamel on teeth and strengthens them to resist the acids in the foods we eat that attacks the enamel. I guess I already do use rat poison to brush my teeth,Mr. Liebich. Of course, the ADA is not a government agency, but it shows how science is used in how government makes laws whether the science is fact or fiction.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:51 pm on Mon, Mar 24, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The “Seal of Approval” to fluoride products (for money) by the ADA is a laugh! The ADA is an association Mr. Mauer, not a governmental agency.

    Did you know that in 1944 the Journal of the ADA reported that using between 1.6 and 4 ppm (parts per million) fluoride in water would cause 50% of adults to need false teeth?[lol]

    The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) clearly states that fluoride is not a mineral nutrient; it is a prescription drug. Every prescription drug has side-effects, including fluoride. Fluoride has NEVER received FDA approval and does NOT meet the legal requirements of safety and effectiveness necessary for such approval. Once this drug is put in the water there is no control over individual dosage. Since 1997 the FDA requires that a POISON warning label be placed on fluoride toothpaste. Why? Because it's poison!

    Do you know what the main ingredient in rat poison is? Fluoride! Would you brush your teeth with rat poison Mr. Mauer?

    It was 2007 when the ADA first warned that parents of infants younger than a year old "should consider using water that has no or low levels of fluoride" when mixing baby formula, due to concerns about fluorosis. Then, in 2010, the Journal of the ADA published a study that once again found, contrary to what most people have been told, fluoride is actually BAD for your teeth. The study showed increased fluorosis risk among infants who were fed infant formula reconstituted with fluoride-containing water, as well as for those using fluoridated toothpastes. How exactly does an infant with no teeth get fluorosis?

    The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has also followed suit, warning on their Community Water Fluoridation page.

    Even scientists from the EPA's National Health and Environmental Effects Research Laboratory have classified fluoride as a "chemical having substantial evidence of developmental neurotoxicity.”

    Fluoride is the only chemical added to public drinking water to treat individuals, rather than the water. It is mass medication.

    p.s. Personally, I use Tom's toothpaste. It's fluoride free Mr. Mauer.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:09 pm on Mon, Mar 24, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich wrote: "I can't say we aren't often inspired by the level of ignorance displayed in this forum Brian."

    Now I ask - since when can the people who post here OPENLY call other posters names and direct personal insults at them?

    Oh, that's right. It's a new rule that overrides the posted rule above and is supported quite vigorously by the moderator.

  • robert maurer posted at 10:32 am on Mon, Mar 24, 2014.

    mason day Posts: 485

    What a laugh! Worrying about fluoride in the water. Have you checked the ingredients in your toothpaste lately? Surprise! If fluoride bothers some people so much, then don't brush your teeth or drink water,then you can have a blacktooth grin instead of a beaming white smile. Quit griping, you have choices.You can always brush your teeth with baking soda and vinegar. It even fizzes to prove that it's working! Does anyone know why it's added the the water? The A.D.A. approved of it circa 1966.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:40 am on Mon, Mar 24, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999


  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:40 am on Mon, Mar 24, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999


  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:38 am on Mon, Mar 24, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2865

    Al Gore, that is.

  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:37 am on Mon, Mar 24, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2865

    Bob Stated:

    Hi Joanne, it is hilarious at first. Dredging articles from obscure places to instill conspiracy and hysteria promotes the saying "a little knowledge....".


    Al Gets his facts from obscure places. But I don't see you disparaging him, Bob.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:35 am on Mon, Mar 24, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I can't say we aren't often inspired by the level of ignorance displayed in this forum Brian. [thumbup]

    We took a deeper look in order to separate fact from fiction. Fluoride facts begin at 9:22 in the video. Enjoy!


  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:58 pm on Sat, Mar 22, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2865


  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:57 pm on Sat, Mar 22, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2865


    The Reuters article says about half of Americans believe in medical conspiricies. Well, the other half, that includes me and Andrew, don't because
    we arrive at conclusions based on facts to back them up. And it appears Bob and this other person believe Andrew is ofering up a conspiracy because they don't want to the believe the facts he presents.

  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:39 pm on Sat, Mar 22, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2865

    I really find it hilarious that at least one other person here, who consistently has decried the health system of the US and claims that the UK health system is superior, insists on this and at least one other occasion that those doctors and medical scientists FROM THE US know more and are "most prestigious" in the world than doctors and scientists in the UK. Actually the point is: The healthcare system is not superior or inferior in a given country because the water is not or is flouridated. But, based on the fact that the U.S. is one of the very few country's that flouridate water, one could conclude there is a good reason those other countries don't flouridate water. But, that other person doesn't believe those other countries don't flouridate water out of health concerns. This other person can't have it both ways. But, this other person will attempt to make a good case American aluminum mining companies would never mislead us into thinking flouride is beneficial to one's health. I suppose this other person believes this is the case BECAUSE there are no Republicans working for these companies. [beam]

  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:49 pm on Sat, Mar 22, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1913

    Thomas Heuer posted> "Does Lodi fluoridate it's water?"
    In fact they do, but it is only piped to liberal households.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:14 am on Sat, Mar 22, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Join us for the second annual "March for Clean Water" Rally.


  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:53 am on Sat, Mar 22, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2865

    Double standards? Nah. [huh]

  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:52 am on Sat, Mar 22, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2865

    I find it hilarious that Ms. Bobbin thinks we should become more like Europe in so many ways but yet we should contine to put flouride in our water even though Europe won't because they consider it a poison. Interesting.

  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:49 am on Sat, Mar 22, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2865

    For years it has been well known in the aluminum industry the by-product from extracting aluminum using the smeltering process is flouride and they've convinced the general public this by-product has no harmful affects on the human body. The amount of money they've spent to market their snake oil pales in comparison to what it would cost to dispose of this poison. And the returns on the sale of this poison are enormous. And this is ok with Ms. Bobbin.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:40 pm on Fri, Mar 21, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Referring to the Lancet, Harvard University, the National Research Council (NRC), the National Institutes of Health (NIH), and the EPA as "obscure places to instill conspiracy and hysteria" is as "hilarious as the fact that your posts appear under the name Bobinlodi.

  • Kevin Paglia posted at 3:32 pm on Fri, Mar 21, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2106

    If you don't want fluoride in your water here are your options: http://fullspike.com/water/bottled-water-without-fluoride

    And don't forget to do all this as well: http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistryhowtoguide/a/removefluoride.htm

  • Bob Dirocco posted at 11:55 am on Fri, Mar 21, 2014.

    Bobinlodi Posts: 23

    Hi Joanne, it is hilarious at first. Dredging articles from obscure places to instill conspiracy and hysteria promotes the saying "a little knowledge....". Fluoride in drinking water has been a natural occurrance well studied, but the conspiracy drumbeat will perpetuate. But I guess that is why opinions are just that. The water in Lodi, zero to far-below any interest; and the true bad actors are being addressed.

    Clues: the rebuttal article quoted by respondant below opens with a disclaimer from the publisher. The article itself ends with ".....in addition to improving assessment and control of potential confounders." In other words, they admit omitting probable variables, like organic fluorine compounds (think flame retardants and the now absent Scotchguard-TM), which are indeed likely toxic and carcinogenic. The concern should be getting that old fire-retardant treated foam-filled couch or mattress away from children! But I guess that's just my right to opine an educated position? And I'm sure I'll be rebuffed by someone for it. [wink]

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:58 pm on Thu, Mar 20, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    More people drink artificially fluoridated water in the U.S. alone than in the rest of the world combined Ms. Bobin. Most advanced nations do not fluoridate their water. In western Europe, 97% of the population has water without a single drop of fluoride added to it. Fluoridating water is a form of mass medication. This is why most western European nations have rejected the practice, because, in their view, the public water supply is not an appropriate place to be adding drugs.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:05 pm on Thu, Mar 20, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999


  • Bob Dirocco posted at 2:57 pm on Thu, Mar 20, 2014.

    Bobinlodi Posts: 23

    What timing!


  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:43 pm on Thu, Mar 20, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I really find it hilarious that at least one person here, who consistently has decried the health system of the UK and claims that the US health system is superior, insists on this and at least one other occasion that those doctors and medical scientists FROM THE UK know more and are "most prestigious" in the world than doctors and scientists in the US.

    You CANNOT have it BOTH WAYS! But I suppose we CAN always blame water fluoridation for this neurological phenomenon.


  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:01 am on Wed, Mar 19, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The world's oldest and most prestigious medical journal publishes a report classifying Fluoride as a dangerous neurotoxin and you don't care?

    You are literally being medicated with a dangerous chemical that disrupts the health of your brain. Many of us have suspected this for a long time, but it is insane to see the worlds top medical journal confirming it.

    You are too much Ms. Bobin! [lol]

  • Bob Dirocco posted at 9:33 am on Wed, Mar 19, 2014.

    Bobinlodi Posts: 23

    The point being, where is it then and how is it relevant to Lodi? Is there some surprise coming in the 2013 report? As a retired chemist, I am more curious to see the THM's in the past year with the inclusion of surface water, and the hard science of actual numbers. There are clearly other issues of concern already being addressed.


  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:16 am on Wed, Mar 19, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488


    And another conspiracy to wipe out the population of the United States. To what end? Who cares? It's happening and Mr. Liebich means to inform the public and stop it!

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:12 pm on Tue, Mar 18, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999



  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:03 pm on Tue, Mar 18, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Technically the name ‘Fluoride’ is scientifically inaccurate. Fluoride is a reduced form of Fluorine and is an element we can find on the periodic table. It can be naturally occurring but is known to cause a great deal of health problems for humans when exposed in excess. We are not just talking about a naturally occurring substance. We are referring to a chemical mixture that is sold under the name of Fluoride that contains a wide array of chemicals putting this substance in category 4 of the hazardous materials scale. This is the highest and most dangerous rating a substance can receive. This extremely toxic, hazardous chemical is illegal to dump and would cost companies a hefty price tag to properly dispose of it. Instead, the waste is sold to cities and towns where they are then legally dumped into water supplies.


    The chemical names of the main substances used in water fluoridation practices are hydrofluorocilicic acid, hexafluorisilisic acid and sodium silicofluroride.

    It is illegal to dump the hazardous fluoride waste products hydrofluorocilicic acid, hexafluorisilisic acid and sodium silicofluroride into water streams, rivers or environment. It is considered an act of terrorism to do so. Yet it is legal to do and accepted as a safe practice when we add it to our water supply under the guise that it is helping with dental hygiene. This theory of helping with dental hygiene is built off of assumptions and NOT science. Currently, there is NO evidence to suggest water fluoridation helps prevent tooth decay.

    Roughly 99% of the water pumped through municipalities is not consumed through the mouth. Most is used for showering, watering crops and washing clothes. Given these facts, most of it ends up in streams, rivers and in oceans, where it is destroying and contaminating our environment. Due to the fact most of this does not touch our teeth but instead goes into the environment suggests water fluoridation is a practice put in place to legally dump this hazardous waste product. What is consumed by humans does nothing more than harm our bodies.

    24 studies have shown a link between fluoride exposure and the lowering of IQ. When you really think about it though, is it all that surprising that brain function is hindered by the consumption of an extremely hazardous substance?

    Fluoride is an UNAPPROVED DRUG being used in a highly illegal mass medication scheme. Fluoride is said to be voluntary by municipalities but the people never get to vote. The drug has NOT been approved by ANY drug agency and no one has been assessed for prescriptions.

    Fluoride is so toxic and dangerous that it has the ability to eat through metal and concrete. A fluoride spill results in the use of haz-mat suits to clean up.

    Water fluoridation is nothing more than the dumping of the phosphate fertilizer industries hazardous waste into people and our environment to avoid having to pay to dispose of the waste. They in fact make a profit instead.

    Drinking fluoridated water has NEVER been scientifically proven to reduce tooth decay.

    Research HAS found that fluoride affects normal endocrine function, causes kidney disease, bone weakness, dental fluorosis, cancer, lowering of IQ, calcification of the pineal gland, arthritis, immune deficiencies, skeletal fluorosis and much more.

    Below is a video showing hidden camera images from inside a fluoride facility.

    What can we do?

    Stop drinking fluoridated water! Use a filtration system in your home that filters out fluoride. Most filters can also remove chlorine which is another harmful chemical. Brita water filters do not remove fluoride, something like a reverse osmosis system will work best.

    Educate your doctors and dentists about where fluoride really comes from. The majority of the time those professionals are not trying to hurt you they just don’t know the truth behind the substance. They are limited to what their education taught them which is funded by the companies who are doing this.

    Spread this information with others and your city politicians to put an end to water fluoridation. Watch and share the documentary below.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:55 am on Tue, Mar 18, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1669

    Does Lodi fluoridate it's water?

  • Bob Dirocco posted at 9:43 am on Tue, Mar 18, 2014.

    Bobinlodi Posts: 23

    I read both articles (very long), and I guess the easiest response would to question, who do you want to believe: the CDC, FDA, ADA, AMA, and the preponderance of the scientific and medical community, or the group "Fluoride Action Network" which seems to hand-pick selective journal submissions in part or whole to promote a flouride conspiracy agenda?

    Yes, excessive fluoride exposure can be harmful and there is no debate about that. But how do exposures of undefined amount in China (and likely from industrial pollution, which has been tightly regulated in the U.S since the late '70's) fit into the discussion?

    Ask your dentist, or are they also part of a conspiracy to poison us.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:43 am on Tue, Mar 18, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I'm curious why Alex Aliferis chose only to credit certain portions of his letter to the Lancet article, when in fact the entire letter was copied wholesale with little editing.



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