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Posted: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 12:00 am

I am slowly getting over my headache trying to come up with a solution for the empty jail cells. So I came up with turning jails into a homeless hotel.

Mr. President and Mr. Governor of California, this is a way of saving millions of dollars by not allowing law enforcement to do their job. Police can still arrest and you can still let them go, and judges will back you up. It means less border enforcement, which will save the country millions of dollars. It means turning thousands of felons loose and removing guns from law-abiding citizens.

In 2011, there were 323 reported deaths from assault rifles, 496 deaths from blunt objects, 650 deaths from stabbings, 12,000 deaths from drunken drivers and 195,000 deaths by medical malpractice. Murders per 100,000 out of 57 nations — Honduras was at 91.6, Russia at 10.2, and the lowest was the United States at 4.2. Isn't that amazing, Sen. Dianne Fienstein?

Maybe by taking away the guns, you may be able to raise that ratio to make your case against firearms in the future.

Ben Coleman

Lodi

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35 comments:

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 4:35 pm on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    No. I'm saying that according to the FBI 160,474,702 individuals have had a background check since November of 1998.
    [sleeping]

    Let me dumb it down for you. If 160,474,702 individuals have had background checks 160,474,702 individuals have a gun. 160,474,702 doesn't not="5-6%
    [sleeping]

    The “brainwashing” actually began in 1995. I already covered this. http://youtu.be/0nM0asnCXD0
    [sleeping]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:59 pm on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    1998 so you are saying that people were worried about second amendment rights being infringed for the last 15 years? I'm not sure what you are trying to say it has no relevance to the original argument unless you are saying that people were concerned that the government was trying to take away 2nd amendment rights during the Bush II administration?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:56 pm on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    A mainstream media Forbes article isn't reality?[sleeping]

    Suggesting that DHS's publicly posted ammo solicitations and subsequent purchases aren't real is utterly idiotic.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:27 pm on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    160,474,702 only equates to "5-6%" if you are using Lucas math. [sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:59 am on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [smile]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:46 am on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    Not reality, your reality

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:44 am on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    whether its 16 million or 20 million its still only 5% or 6% of the population Ed was trying to use the number of gun sales to prove that Americans, I assume when he states "Americans" he is talking about all of us last I checked liberals were still Americans, were worried about there second amendment rights were being violated. I was just pointing out that based on that logic 94 or 95 percent of us do not feel our 2nd amendment rights are in jeopardy.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:17 am on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Meanwhile...while certain individuals continue to refer to reality as "conspiracy theory" [sleeping]

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2013/03/11/1-6-billion-rounds-of-ammo-for-homeland-security-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:57 pm on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I would be curious to know where the 16 million number came from.

    According to the FBI there were 19,592,303 background checks processed in 2012 and from the inception of the NICS on November 30, 1998, to December 31, 2012, a total of 160,474,702 transactions have been processed.
    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/2012-operations-report

    5% ROFLMAO...[lol]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:17 pm on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I don't believe anyone doubts your ability to ignore things...

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:17 pm on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    All the media hyped appearances at anti-gun venues and Mark Kelly had no idea how “easy” it was to purchase an AR15? He was talking about things of which he had no knowledge? Isn’t that what you are saying? Well…THAT would be a first wouldn’t it? An anti-gun nut talking about things he had no knowledge of. Wait, what? Never mind. Anyway, the space cadet then went on to inform the Dictator’s base that, now that he has an education, he’ll be turning the weapon over to local police. How nice. How socialist of him. How incredibly stupid.

    In the state of Arizona a weapon turned over to the law enforcement agencies is considered an ASSET. What exactly does that mean? Well, in his attempt to walk back his AR-15 purchase Mark Kelly says it will be turned over to police where, by the law of Arizona IT MUST THEN BE SOLD AT AUCTION TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER!!!!! Yep… the guy who said he wanted to find out how easy it was to buy a gun has become the middleman in a gun transaction and HIS AR-15 will soon be somebody ELSE’S AR-15.

    Turn off your TV and think.[sleeping]

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 7:46 pm on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2570

    Yup. That 16 million is on top of the tens of millions of legal gun owners who were already enjoying their Constitutional Rights.

    One wonders why anyone would pick and choose when it comes to the Bill of Rights.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 4:48 pm on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 448

    How many people already own guns or had them previous to last year? 16 million gun sales in a year is a lot and Ed stated the reason perfectly. "Americans believe their 2nd amendment right is going to be trashed." How many of us have unregistered guns? people buy,sell, and trade guns all the time, just like anything else. The only way to stop it is to confiscate everybody's guns, thus violating the amendment regarding illegal search and seizure as well as the 2nd amendment.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 4:01 pm on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 448

    That is way wrong.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:24 am on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    replying to Mr Liebich only encourages him.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:02 am on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    It is a sin of omission by taking a statement or action out of context and using it to serve your agenda is still deceitful. One definition of a lie is something intended or serving to convey a false impression and the definition of liar is someone who lies. Twisting the events associated with Mr. Kelly to paint him as a hypocrite is repulsive. The man and his wife have been public servants for this country and they have paid a dear price for their service. Disgusting.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:45 am on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    It's not my fault you "have no idea" and my previous post about Mark Kelly quoted Mark Kelly.[sleeping]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:43 am on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    in 2012 there were 16 million background checks for gun purchases that means that 5% of the population is worried about their 2nd ammendment rights. The other 95% of us not so much so.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:14 am on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    " we linked to Briebart's article on day one" is that spy talk or something I have no idea what your talking about.

    Your previous post about Mr Kelly was intended to decieve.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:04 am on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    If someone shot my wife I would buy a gun too if I did not already have one. That is not hypocrisy, that is human nature and protection of one's self and one's family.
    [sleeping]

    Additionally, we linked to Brietbart's acrticle on day one Mr. Barrow.
    The only person who had to "look up" anything up was obviously yourself.
    [sleeping]
    http://www.infowars.com/gabby-giffordss-husband-buys-ar-15/

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:38 am on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mr. Walters,
    Did you know that the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee’s OKCbombing.net website is now listed as an extremist and domestic terrorist website by the federal government? It is.

    In describing the site for law enforcement, OKCbombing.net is noted as being a “web site for the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee, a group convinced that a large Oklahoma City bomb conspiracy exists.” In reality, the site offers visitors copies of the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee’s own thorough, 500-plus page independent book, Final Report on the Bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building, released in 2001. The site has only been referred to as an “extremist and domestic terrorist website” since Rep. Key handed over the control of OKCbombing.net to Free Mind Films, and a link to that group’s film was added.

    Why? Because ‘A Noble Lie’ is the first feature length documentary to examine the Oklahoma City bombing in the light of the suppressed evidence that proves the official story to be false and that Timothy McVeigh was not the sole perpetrator on that terrible April 19th, 1995.

    Watch the film.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 6:26 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 580

    What does it take to buy a gun in California. First an ID Check. Then comes a proof of residency, followed by a safety certificate of the weapon you wish to purchase, you must provide proof that you can use the weapon you wish to purchase. The and I suppose this should be # 1 on the list, a background check, when the weapon of your choice has been selected, a 10 day waiting period is necessary, this information is checked by the Dept. of Justice. At the end of the waiting period and nothing is found to stop the purchase, you can pick up your weapon of choice at the gun store. Another thing, you must be at least 18 to buy a rifle or shotgun, to buy a handgun you must be 21. This background check has been in place in California for the past 22 years, and with all the people that are sick and tired of shooting and killing, the laws in Ca. just might go national. It is difficult to purchase a weapon these days, simply due to the fact most gun store have very little inventory and gun manufactures can not keep up with the demand, so what does that tell you. Americans believe the government is trying to trash the 2nd Amendment and their going to get theirs before this happens.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 4:38 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 448

    Thanks Andy; just checked it out right before you replied. I don't trust wikipedia, so I checked out dept. of justice gun deaths and the USA had 1,280 total gun deaths in 2012. For a population of 312,780,968, including all the gang shootings, in my opinion, I can live with that.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 4:08 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    Mark Kelly bought his AR 15 to show how easy it is to purchase one. Mr. Kelly was done with the transaction in a matter of minutes. After what happened to his wife to insinuate that he was being a hypocrite is revolting and we have a perfect example of how this sort of crap gets spread. At 9:15 am a stupid rumors is spread by our resident conspiracy theorist and by 2:30 someone else on this site has picked it up neither person looked up the reason why a man whose wife was nearly killed would buy a military style rifle they just found a kernel of truth that suited there purpose and ran with it.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:59 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    No. We are talking about outlawing assault rifles, high volume magazines, reasonable laws concerning background checks and taking guns away from people with histories of domestic violence. This is going to happen. You want to know why? It is because the pictures of the twenty 6 and 7 years old who were massacred are coming out. I hope the Republicans go to the mat on this one. They will lose. The majority of Americans are sick and tired of innocents getting massacred so the likes of Ted Nugent can get off.

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 3:50 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

    gun deaths per capita (100,000)

     
  • robert maurer posted at 3:35 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 448

    Well, here we go again. Let's just outlaw guns, cars, motorcycles, trucks, and buses, since they kill too, when used improperly. and why stop there? Outlaw slingshots, bows and arrows, crossbows,knives,forks,chopsticks.....Next thing will be that law abiding,God fearing, bible thumping conservatives are the sick puppies committing these attrocious crimes. Maybe Ben picked the most unsafe countries first and saved the USA for last out of the 57 countries that stats were available. All other 50+ countries probably fell in between the countries he mentioned. If anybody has the website to these stats, bolster your arguement by supplying it.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:32 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    The parents of the massacred children are well aware that a hunan being pulled the trigger. They got to see what was left of their beloved 6 and 7 year olds after the assault rifle did its duty.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 2:37 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 580

    Mr. Lucas: Looking at the people who were murdered at Aurora, Columbine and Virginia Tech, most if not all were paranoid schizophrenias with personality disorders, no person in their right mind would create the disaster they caused. If you believe all the new laws that are created on a daily basis will stop a person who is mentally unstable and hears voices will cease due too another bill or bills being passed, I rather doubt that. The list is growing and nothing will stop another Timothy McVeigh with mass killing on their minds. Remember, a human being pulled the trigger.

    If Mr. Libich is correct, even the most trusted people in the country feel the need to to protect themselves. Capt. Mark Kelly did purchase a M-15 and a .45 pistol.

    Timothy McVeigh might have had a personality disorder , however his hatred for the US and the government led to the destruction of the Alfred E. Murrah in Oaklahoma City that killed 168 Americans. All the components needed can be purchased with little or no problem.

    Some states that allow open carry have the lowest crime rates. Vriginia being one.

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 12:21 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    I don't think Ben is cherry picking. That would imply that he actually sought out some facts and evidence before making a decision on what to present. No, Ben is just regurgitating something from an email forward or an online blog post. There is no thinking or logic involved in this for him.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:14 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    On March 5, 2013 Captain Mark Kelly said, "You don't need an AR 15."

    On March 6, 2013 Captain Mark Kelly bought an AR 15 and a .45 [sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:09 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    That is what I mean when I say they are good at marketing. Typical Republican presenting an alternate reality.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:00 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1561

    "out of 57 nations — Honduras was at 91.6, Russia at 10.2, and the lowest was the United States at 4.2."
    Don't know if it matters but Ben fails to mention the 110 countries with less murders per capita than the US. to suite his purposes Ben just included all the countries in the world with a higher murder rate, now that is cherry picking data.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:57 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Eric Holder vowed to “brainwash” people. http://youtu.be/0nM0asnCXD0

    John Lucas clearly substantiates the fact that it's working...[sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:27 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Tell that to the parents of the twenty 6 and 7 year old children who were massacred in the space of one minute and fifteen seconds. Tell that to the parents of those kids killed in Aurora, Columbine, Virginia Tech etc.

     

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