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Posted: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 12:00 am

I am sure most of you who pay attention to what is happening to us in our country know that for the past several years the U.N. and our own president have been on a drive to establish global government.

This is designed to destroy our national independence.

It started in 1992, a plan called Agenda 21, and its policy of sustainable development. It is a blueprint to bring about global government — all hidden behind excuses of environmental protection. Most have heard of this plan through different names such cap-and-trade, smart growth, global warming, social justice and public/private partnerships, just to name a few.

Their programs are completely involved with many of our city governments where it is called sustainable development. Unknown to the city government, this is administered by the U.N. behind the scenes with our president onboard.

These people do not believe that any of us should own our own property. They believe America has acquired our wealth on the backs of the poor and now they are working hard to redistribute our wealth to who knows who. All their programs seem to come out of the White House: cap-and-trade, global warming, population control (we have too many kids), gun control, open borders, illegal immigration, higher taxes, higher gas prices, refusal to drill our own oil, restructuring the education of our own kids, food control, farming "reform" and, last but not least, controlling all private property. They want our property to be owned by the government, but we just pay the taxes, upkeep, etc.; but we will not own it. Sounds like Communist Russia to me.

I sincerely hope it is not too late!

Sam West

Acampo

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90 comments:

  • robert maurer posted at 9:21 am on Mon, Apr 8, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 447

    As far as Clarence owning the land but not some of the homes and buildings themselves, I'm not sure, but I can't imagine why residents like Russ andDebbie, Connie, Peter, Dustin,and others investing so much money into their homes if they don't own their property. There was some dissention between some residents after property lines were altered and corrected during the 2005-2008 time frame.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 8:40 am on Mon, Apr 8, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 447

    You are mostly correct regarding Clarence and his brother-inlaw purchacing the land from some Locke heirs in 1977. In 2002,they sold the land to the Sacramento Redevelopment Agency. In 2004,The agency allowed the the sale of the land to those who had been living on it for many years.(The town council and some residents were not happy with the direction the agency was going)There was more to come between 2005 and 2007, which I referred to earlier, when I mentioned Allodial title being used as a strategy, (initiated by Larry Gemenez; a native Texan,Texas A&M student and UC Berkley grad) and rejected at the first hearing as "non-applicable". The rest is what I mentioned earlier. Larry put up at least $200,000 of his own money that I can personally attest to to get this started.It took a lot of negotiation. Today Clarence does own the majority of the land and buildings and leases them out. However, there are some that are privately owned.KVIE channel 6 did at least 2 documentaries on this; California's Gold with Huell Howser and Nova that I witnessed as they interviewed Locke's oldest living resident and matriarch,Connie King.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:40 pm on Sun, Apr 7, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    Fair enough Andrew,

    I always thougt you were a proponent of FME. Sorry, for the misinterpretation of your post.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:18 am on Sun, Apr 7, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    If you want to spell my name how it is pronounced go right ahead. I could care less. The point is you continually spell it wrong.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:07 am on Sun, Apr 7, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "He's serious" was in reference to the absurd "RWF" comments made by Mr. Lucas toward you. I am a "proponent of free market economics" as well.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:26 am on Sun, Apr 7, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    Andrew Liebich wrote:

    She can't seem to spell my name correctly either you "RWF" proponent of free market economics. The funniest thing is he's serious...

    -The sad thing about this statement is Mr. Liebich is actually serious about having issues with people who are proponents of Free Market Economics.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:22 am on Sun, Apr 7, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    Dockter

    Look at it real close Ms. Bobin. If you still don't see the difference in the way you spell it you need to get your eyes checked.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:11 am on Sun, Apr 7, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    John Lucas,

    Regarding your post at 8:15 pm on Sat, Apr 6, 2013.

    I read the propaganda sites of the Left too. I am capable of deciphering what is and what isn't propaganda from both sides. Unlike you, I do not believe propaganda is as present nor does it drive the Right's agenda nearly as much as the Left. In other words, you seem to have a sensitivity to the truth when it smacks you right in the face. A common trait of those on the Left.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:06 am on Sun, Apr 7, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    It takes a real man to admit that he is involved in a festival of ignorance!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:05 am on Sun, Apr 7, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I spell YOUR name the way it is pronounced...at least that is how it was pronounced in that brilliant piece on contrails on ABC.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:02 am on Sun, Apr 7, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Where did I misspell your name Mr. Docktor?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:10 am on Sun, Apr 7, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    For those living in denial simply advance to 11:43:30 in the video and watch until 11:51:48.
    [sleeping]


    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/HouseSession758

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:02 am on Sun, Apr 7, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    She can't seem to spell my name correctly either you "RWF" proponent of free market economics. The funniest thing is he's serious...[lol]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:47 pm on Sat, Apr 6, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Might I "recommend" any of the 6,830 articles we have published to date...
    [lol][lol][lol]ROFLMAO...

    https://s2-us3.startpage.com/do/search?cmd=process_search&pid=fdbc933a1426adf1ea1d1f3502c5bb1f

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:41 pm on Sat, Apr 6, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I thought Hong Kong developer Ng Tor Tai bought the entire town of Locke and 450 surrounding acres in 1977 and that the state then agreed to buy Locke in 1980.

    I was also under the impression that Clarence Chu, brother-in-law of Ng now owns the land, while tenants own the buildings themselves. Am I mistaken?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:23 pm on Sat, Apr 6, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Almost. Native American land is often held by allodial title as well.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:15 pm on Sat, Apr 6, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You are perfect example of a RWF. Right wing fanatic. If you looked at the reality of what the other industrialized nations do with their health care you would see that they do it much cheaper, have universal coverage or nearly so, have better outcomes and the people live longer. Brian you have to quit reading the conservative websites that are really just propaganda sites for the Oligarchy. You are a perfect example of how deep someone can be indoctrinated by the propaganda and put in the bubble. Health care is a perfect example of this. Your so-called "myths" are the reality of what is going on.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 12:09 pm on Sat, Apr 6, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    You could call me Doctor Dockter if you wanted. [beam][beam]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 12:07 pm on Sat, Apr 6, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    Ms. Bobin,

    FYI: Although I work for the Clock Doctor, I am a doctor in a sense. But my last name is not spelled Doctor. Nor is it spelled Docktor. It is spelled Dockter.[beam]

     
  • robert maurer posted at 9:48 am on Sat, Apr 6, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 447

    Andrew; Mr. West could not even scratch the surface in his brief letter. I supplied a list of URLs that inform about the UN and its goals, including agenda 21. I reccommend googling keyword agenda 21 and keyword united nations to read and listen to all the pages and speakers. I wish I could be there to see the looks on the blank faces as they start to associate UN goals with what they see happening in their own cities, if they even have that ability. The actual UN documents as well as all the countries that signed on should be reason enough to quit the UN and is available to everyone to read.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:26 am on Sat, Apr 6, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I disagree with you, Mr. Chang. After 30 years of subscribing to this paper I have quit permanently for various reasons.

    After an elaborate explanation about stopping the publication of the paper on Mondays due to cut backs and multiple comments from the editor that higher prices would not save Monday publication because advertising was the biggest income producer, I was personally chided in an email from Mr. Hanner in which he accused me, when I cancelled my subscription, of contributing to the paper's shortfall in income.

    It will be a cold day before I subscribe again. due to the fact that certain individuals are given preference when they make personal attacks and others have comments deleted simply for using words like "uneducated," or "ill-informed," directed at the COMMENT, not the INDIVIDUAL.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:18 am on Sat, Apr 6, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Sorry, Mr. Docktor. I was re-posting a comment that Ms. Parigoris made about me at 7:02AM on 4/4.

    Somehow the posts got out of control and posted multiple times.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:48 am on Sat, Apr 6, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Wow! A literal Agenda 21 festival of ignorance... [rolleyes]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:02 am on Sat, Apr 6, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    http://www.coalitionoftheobvious.com/Singlepayer.pdf

    Over 7 million people in Britain now have private health insurance, and since the
    Labor government’s first year in office, the number of patients paying out-of-pocket
    for medical treatment has increased 40 percent to 160,000 annually.6

    Australia has turned to the private sector to reform its public health care system to
    such an extent that it is now second only to the United States among industrialized
    nations in the share of health care spending that is private.7

    Since 1993, the German government has been experimenting with American-style
    managed competition by giving Germans the right to choose among the country’s
    competing sickness funds (insurers).

    The Netherlands also has American-style managed competition, with an extensive
    network of private health care providers and slightly more than one-third of the
    population insured privately.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:52 am on Sat, Apr 6, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    http://freemarketcure.com/blog/#388

    WHY PELOSI RUSHED “REFORM”
    [November 16, 2009 @ 11:17 pm] David Catron
    Answer: the government agency that must administer whatever health care boondoggle the Democrats finally settle on was about to release its cost estimates. Pelosi and her accomplices wanted to get the fraud bill passed before the public saw the real cost.

    And its not hard to see why they were worried. Turns out this huge tax increase reform bill will dramatically increase health care costs. The the main numbers guy at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid says Pelosicare will jack them up by $289 billion:

    The House-approved healthcare overhaul would raise the costs of healthcare by $289 billion over the next 10 years, according to an analysis by the chief actuary at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS).

    Republicans were pushing for an early release of this report, but the Dems were never going to allow that. And one can see why:

    The CMS report is a blow to the White House and House Democrats who have vowed that healthcare reform would curb the growth of healthcare spending … the CMS analysis clearly states that the House bill falls short in attaining a key goal of the Democrats’ effort to reform the nation’s healthcare system.

    This is not about controlling health costs or reforming health care. It’s just a way of stealing your money. Indeed, if you don’t buy the government-approved insurance mandated by the Pelosi bill, you pay a fine. And what happens if you refuse to cough up the fine? You go to jail.

    Speaker Pelosi was recently asked if this provision was fair and her answer was an unequivocal yes.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:44 am on Sat, Apr 6, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    John Lucas,

    Speaking of having an active imagination and a penchant for believing in fairy tales.
    You need to look in the mirror. Here's a clip of the myths of Single-Payer Health care. I suggest you visit the site You might have a change of heart. Unlike you, I'm a proponent of free mark economics.

    http://www.freemarketcure.com/singlepayermyths.php

    The Myths of Single-Payer Health Care
    By David Hogberg (about)
    A single-payer health care system is one in which a single-entity -- the government -- collects almost all of the revenue for and pays almost all of the bills for the health care system. In most single-payer systems only a small percentage of health care expenses are paid for with private funds. Countries that have a single-payer system include Australia, Canada, Sweden and the United Kingdom.

    Single-payer is popular among the political left in the United States. Leftists have emitted tons of propaganda in favor of a single-payer system, much of which has fossilized into myth.

    Here are some of the more prominent single-payer myths:

    Myth No. 1: Everyone has access to health care a single-payer system.
    Myth No. 2: Claims of rationing are exaggerated.
    Myth No. 3: A single-payer system would save money on administrative costs.
    Myth No. 4: Single-payer will provide fair and quality care for everyone.
    Myth No. 5: Single-payer leaves medical decisions to patients & doctors.
    Myth No. 6: Single-payer systems achieve better health outcomes.
    Myth No. 7: The U.S. systems also engages in rationing.
    Myth No. 8: A single-payer system will not hamper medical research.
    Myth No. 9: Single-payer will save money as patients seek care earlier.
    Myth No. 10: The free market in health care has failed in the U.S.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:49 am on Sat, Apr 6, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Simply not the case. You have active imagination and a penchant for believing in fairy tales.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:47 pm on Fri, Apr 5, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839


    John Lucas,

    It was a compromise negotiated with the representatives of the Oligarchs (Democrats) so that more people could be covered with less cost. Rest assured, if the Republicans were in complete charge there would have been a single payer system that saved our economy over a trillion dollars a year. The Health insurance companies are part of the Oligarchy. Their hired guns (Democrats) made sure the corrupt, inefficient, health insurance companies continued to get their piece of the pie though it costs the Americans a trillion dollars a year. They like Wall Street, the Big Banks, Big Pharma, Military Contractors etc use the elected Democrats they have bought to make sure they can keep their snouts to the treasury trough to the detriment of average Americans like you and I. Ask yourself this. If the Democrats were in complete charge would there be any real change. Of course not. If the Republicans were in complete charge would there be any real change. Absolutely. Jut because you do not think so does not make it any less true. Every time you vote Democrat you are voting for the Oligarchs to the detriment of average Americans like yourself.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:31 pm on Fri, Apr 5, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    Joanne Bobin,

    It only takes one of your last post to be convinced you are projecting again. There's no need to be so repetitive.[tongue_smile]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:52 pm on Fri, Apr 5, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1125

    Only paid subscribers of the LNS should be allowed to submit letters and post comments.

    You want to play?

    Pay!!


    [Smile]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 2:54 pm on Fri, Apr 5, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1518

    Thank you Andrew for a clear fact. This was my understanding as well. The only possible place it could happen is in Texas.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:21 pm on Fri, Apr 5, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Thanks for the words of encouragement, Mr. Walters.

    What kind of dogs do you have? And do you take them to the Vinewood Dog Park?

    The park is locked today and a lot of people are not happy, especially if there won't be any rain over the weekend - no doubt there won't be anyone to come and unlock the gates.

    Dogs are getting "cabin fever!!"

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 12:54 pm on Fri, Apr 5, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 548

    Joanne: Those are Ms. Parragoris words, not mind, though I agree with Mr. Kaur concerning the LNS allowing such disrespectful comments. Since I starting commenting on letters writers posts, I found it difficult to believe the LNS would allow the Rules of Conduct to be broken and stepped on so often. I did at the start and found myself in a contest I could not win and made my posts less disrespectful and will continue to do so. I read Ms. Parragoris letter, if words could not be less offensive I wouldn`t allow them to be printed. And now Joanne, if you will excuse me, dogs to walk and clean up after. Have a nice day.[smile]

    BTW, the letters column has made me a better person, as I find myself not as mad when and if I reply to a letter. That should do it for me today.

     
  • Jien Kaur posted at 11:45 am on Fri, Apr 5, 2013.

    Jien Kaur Posts: 181

    I am not happy that the Lodi newspaper would allow such disrespectful comments.

    It sounds like the person called Kim Parragoris is what Americans would say very nasty lady if she make comments like that and newspaper allow this to happen.

    My comment will be delete. No care. It is truth.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:04 am on Fri, Apr 5, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    It was a compromise negotiated with the representatives of the Oligarchs (Republicans) so that more people could be covered with less cost. Rest assured, if the Democrats were in complete charge there would have been a single payer system that saved our economy over a trillion dollars a year. The Health insurance companies are part of the Oligarchy. Their hired guns (Republicans) made sure the corrupt, inefficient, health insurance companies continued to get their piece of the pie though it costs the Americans a trillion dollars a year. They like Wall Street, the Big Banks, Big Pharma, Military Contractors etc use the elected Republicans they have bought to make sure they can keep their snouts to the treasury trough to the detriment of average Americans like you and I. Ask yourself this. If the Republicans were in complete charge would there be any real change. Of course not. If the Democrats were in complete charge would there be any real change. Absolutely. Jut because you do not think so does not make it any less true. Every time you vote Republican you are voting for the Oligarchs to the detriment of average Americans like yourself.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:42 am on Fri, Apr 5, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Your statement is simply not true.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:50 am on Fri, Apr 5, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Walters wrote: "If I were in charge of Opinion, I would shut it down. With all the disrespect, along with anger seems to prove that people that post the most break the Rules of Conduct, especially #6. Joanne`s post at 1PM today proves the point. Feebleminded, a very unkind word to use."

    Mr. Walters: I am curious what you might think about Ms. Parigoris's post from yesterday. I am providing the EXACT wording. If you believe that the word "feebleminded" is troublesome, then please give me an assessment of the post below:

    Ms. Parigoris wrote at 7:02AM on Thursday, April 4th regarding me:

    "You are an angry, hateful person who just likes to lash out at anyone who differs from your outlook on the world. You make personal attacks on people with absolutely no factual basis. You have every right to say whatever you like, I suppose, but when I see your name on a post I will simply go right by without reading its vile and hateful content."

    And my response:

    WOW -I think Ms. Parigoris just violated Rules #4, 5 and 6 - I'm beginning to think that she doesn't like me! If starting a CAT FIGHT is your way of attempting to communicate with other women when they disagree with your opinion, then someone needs to take a deep breath and try again.

    When is she going to get censured for making PERSONAL ATTACKS?

    And if Ms. Parigoris simply ignores my comments, how does she know that the content is "vile and hateful?"

    Please, before you are banned, give me an example of something "vile and hateful" that I have written here.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:44 am on Fri, Apr 5, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    http://www.cbo.gov/

    I suggest John Lucas visit this site. It's home to the Non Partisan Congressional Budget Office. Maybe then he'll think twice about making such sweeping blanket statements.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:39 am on Fri, Apr 5, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    And I'm sure John Lucas can explain to us how, under the Obama Admin., the Federal government has hired a higher percentage of workers than the private sector becaue it is solely attributable to the actions of the Republican Party.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 8:38 am on Fri, Apr 5, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 447

    Right on, Trista! The "allodial title" premise was used in the delta town of Locke about 10 years ago so that the residents and building owners would own their property(which was owned by the county or state). In other words, the Chinese population of decades ago, owned their buildings, but were not allowed to own land. Thanks to Larry,Clarence,Connie, and a few others, a couple of real estate lawyers were consulted, court dates set, all paperwork filed, property lines drawn,etc. today the building owners now own their own land as well as their buildings.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:30 am on Fri, Apr 5, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    John Lucas wrote:


    Military contractors routinely build equipment for the military that the military does not even want.

    -Hmm, Military contractors must spend their budget granted to them by the DOD because they can't roll it over into their next budget. How this is soley the fault of the Republican Party only John Lucas has the irrationalities to explain this.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:22 am on Fri, Apr 5, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    -And it is equally riciculous to insert the word Democrat in these statements


    There is a conspiracy all right. The oligarchs have taken over our economy and have for some time. Their main front group is the Democratic Party but the Liberal media and their think tanks do their part.

    How do you explain the following:

    The oil companies being among the largest and most profitable companies in the world get tax breaks and subsidies.

    A single payer system with health care would save our economy a trillion dollars A YEAR yet we have a system that favors the Health Insurance Companies which does not near do the job a single payer system would.

    Wall street and banks were bailed out to the tune of billions of dollars and not one person was convicted of anything after being central to the 2008 financial disaster. Banks now borrow money from the government and loan it back to the Government at higher interest.

    Military contractors routinely build equipment for the military that the military does not even want.

    Drug companies got the law made that medicare was not allowed to bargain on prices for drugs, 20 billion a year. 200 billion so far.

    The list is endless. Every time you vote for a Democrat you are voting for the Oligarchs that run our country. All one has to do is follow the money. If you voted Democrat you got what you deserved


     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:22 am on Fri, Apr 5, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Perhaps you should consider re-reading the link I already provided regarding "ghostwriters"

    You clearly haven't any idea what you are talking about. [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:18 am on Fri, Apr 5, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    There is no such thing as allodial title in California. [sleeping]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:18 am on Fri, Apr 5, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    John Lucas

    Regarding your post at 5:43 pm on Wed, Apr 3, 2013:

    All these things could be attributable to the Democratic Party as well. The point is;
    You refuse to see the whole picture. For example: You say a single payer healthcare system would save our economy a trillion dollars a year. You say the current healthcare system favors the health insurance companies.
    But,with the implementation of Obamacare, health insurance companies are favored even more. Yet, somehow you find a way to blame the Republican Party for this.

     
  • trista aquino posted at 3:01 am on Fri, Apr 5, 2013.

    trista aquino Posts: 113

    You know how your freedom or property and/or anything else is gonna end up in somebody elses hands?? BCUZ YOUR ALL SO DISTRACTED AND BUSY FIGHTING EACHOTHER. Hello??? Do you not see that WE are ALL IN THIS TOGETHER? We are just trying to make it and we can make it a lot farther if we stop getting so distracted. I wrote the 1st comment- I said I don't know if I agree w/ all that but blah blah blah, here's a solution- 41 comments have been made and not 1 person has acknowledged what I said. No arguements or agreements or useful info to add- that's how I know u guys just wanna fight...why don't guys try to see it from this angle-
    I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR WEST FOR CARING SO MUCH THAT HE TOOK THE TIME TO WRITE AND BRAVELY PUT HIMSELF OUT ON A LIMB TO WARN HIS COMMUNITY, NEIGHBORS AND STRANGERS ALIKE, OF SOMETHING HE FEELS COULD BE A THREAT TO US AND SHARED THIS INFO W/ THOSE WHO NEVER HEARD OR WOULD'VE OTHERWISE KNOWN OF THE IDEA OR RISKS OR POSSIBILITIES MENTIONED. THAT WAS A SELFLESS AND THOUGHTFUL THING AND I THINK U SHOULD APPLY FOR ALLODIAL TITLE BCUZ IT WILL TAKE A LITTLE WORRY OFF YOUR MIND TO HAVE IT.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 5:14 pm on Thu, Apr 4, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 548

    If I were in charge of Opinion, I would shut it down. With all the disrespect, along with anger seems to prove that people that post the most break the Rules of Conduct, especially #6. Joanne`s post at 1PM today proves the point. Feebleminded, a very unkind word to use. Perhaps a walk with the dogs will enlighten you and improve your outlook. Works for me, as I gave up trading insults that got me nowhere, except a rise in my blood pressure. As Billy Van Fields says, referring to his dear ol` dad, my dear ol` mom taught me that if I can`t say something nice, don`t say it. Works most of the time.[smile]

     
  • robert maurer posted at 3:05 pm on Thu, Apr 4, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 447

    you never read it, yet you extreme leftists have been mindlessly following this socialist manifesto for years. Now Kim has validated your beliefs and being! You owe her big time for this! In fact, I think we all do.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:03 pm on Thu, Apr 4, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    At least Ms. Parigoris is giving credit to President Obama for meeting or exceeding the promises he made during the 2008 campaign regarding renewable energy.

    I'll be she didn't even realize she was give the president a big thumbs up!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:08 am on Thu, Apr 4, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Ms. Parigoris wrote at 7:02AM on Thursday, April 4th regarding me: "You are an angry, hateful person who just likes to lash out at anyone who differs from your outlook on the world. You make personal attacks on people with absolutely no factual basis. You have every right to say whatever you like, I suppose, but when I see your name on a post I will simply go right by without reading its vile and hateful content."

    WOW -I think Ms. Parigoris just violated Rules #4, 5 and 6 - I'm beginning to think that she doesn't like me! If starting a CAT FIGHT is your way of attempting to communicate with other women when they disagree with your opinion, then someone needs to take a deep breath and try again.

    When is she going to get censured for making PERSONAL ATTACKS?

    And if Ms. Parigoris simply ignores my comments, how does she know that the content is "vile and hateful?"

    Please, before you are banned, give me an example of something "vile and hateful" that I have written here.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:45 am on Thu, Apr 4, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Tillett - you haven't heard that Andrew Leebick claims to be a "ghostwriter" for Alex Jones?

    This despite the fact that the last LTE he submitted was copied and pasted in its entirety from someone else's conspiracy theory website.

    I'm sure that Giordano Bruno is one of his pen names. He is obviously TOO modest to publish under his own name.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 10:03 am on Thu, Apr 4, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    Thank you, Giordano Bruno. Anyone else's words you want to use as your own? Or, is this your alias?


    http://www.infowars.com/the-fuzzy-logic-of-useful-idiots/

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:29 am on Thu, Apr 4, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [smile]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:07 am on Thu, Apr 4, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Contesting ignorance is not just the civic duty of the informed, it is also an act of compassion towards those who are not.

    Advance to 11:43:30 on the video and watch until 11:51:48.

    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/HouseSession758


     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 7:42 am on Thu, Apr 4, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    Perhaps you should try.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 7:41 am on Thu, Apr 4, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    Project much? If anyone around here seems to be attempting to follow these rules to push an agenda, it is you. And perhaps, Ed Miller.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 7:39 am on Thu, Apr 4, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Poverty_Act

    in reality it was dedicating 0.7% to humanitarian aid, not specifically the UN. And while, yes, then-Sen. Obama was the chief sponsor of this senate bill, he was not the first to introduce such a brazen idea... helping reduce global poverty.

    "For every dollar the U.S. spends on poverty-focused aid, it spends almost US$33 on defense. When aid is effective, it builds a safer world for everyone."
    http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2008/08/more-obama-and-africa-global-poverty-act

    the cost of this initiative would have been less than our direct costs for the Iraq debacle. Which would have been a better, more appropriate use of funds?

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 7:29 am on Thu, Apr 4, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    Excellent! Thanks for the great news.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:00 am on Thu, Apr 4, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "They have already removed the Elwha Dam in Seattle and there was 45% more sediment than originally thought and it is destroying the ecosystem it was supposed to re-create."

    Isn't this the same person who has moaned and groaned about some environmentalists who want to save a particular little fish or snail at the expense of humans needs.

    Suddenly they are big environmentalists themselves. I think this conspiracy theory nonsense is really messing up your minds.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 6:35 am on Thu, Apr 4, 2013.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    The only bill that then Senator Obama ever sponsored in the Senate was the Global Poverty Act of 2006 (or 7 can't remember) It would require that the US give .7% of our GDP to the UN to help underdeveloped nations- I think you call that a redistribution of wealth. If you go to the UN website you will find that exact same figure to be the benchmark of the amount they think the developed nations should give.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 6:32 am on Thu, Apr 4, 2013.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    I suppose you are right. Hard to be the adult sometimes..

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 6:26 am on Thu, Apr 4, 2013.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    The natural gas and oil industry received $2.8 billion in total subsidies, not the $4 billion Mr. Obama claims on the campaign trail, and $654 million for electric power. The biggest winner was wind, with $5 billion. Between 2007 and 2010, total energy subsidies rose 108%, but solar's subsidies increased six-fold and wind's were up 10-fold.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 6:17 am on Thu, Apr 4, 2013.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Turn it in to habitat..There is a plan to remove 26,000 dams across the country- to restore these waterways to their original paths. This will not only eliminate a great source of renewable energy (hydroelectric) but will decimate acres and acres of fertile farmland. They have already removed the Elwha Dam in Seattle and there was 45% more sediment than originally thought and it is destroying the ecosystem it was supposed to re-create. It will take 50+ years for it to get back to normal. There are 4 dams on the Klamath slated to be removed and engineers are already warning of the sediment buildup there. This hydro-energy will be replaced with what? Government subsidized wind and solar at probably double the cost. Farmers and ranchers will be displaced because of the huge cost of energy (already have seen an increase of 300%) and they will have to fence and irrigate their properties with sprinklers. Right now they use flood irrigation which is much better for the auqafir, but they will be forced to sprinkler now.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 6:04 am on Thu, Apr 4, 2013.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Please do not believe everything the government tells you.. The National Park Service resurrected a 1955 study from Japan on oyster feces, to build their case against Drakes Oyster Bar in Pt Reyes in 2012. They were successful in having the Dept of the Interior shut them down last November, but only due to huge public outcry, were they able to get a 10 year stay to stay open while the courts decide (apparently even environmentalists like oysters) . They also took 386,000 photos of the operation to try to substantiate their untrue claims- but they could find no infractions so they hid the photos.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:43 pm on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    There is a conspiracy all right. The oligarchs have taken over our economy and have for some time. Their main front group is the Republican party but the Conservative media and their think tanks do their part.

    How do you explain the following:

    The oil companies being among the largest and most profitable companies in the world get tax breaks and subsidies.

    A single payer system with health care would save our economy a trillion dollars A YEAR yet we have a system that favors the Health Insurance Companies which does not near do the job a single payer system would.

    Wall street and banks were bailed out to the tune of billions of dollars and not one person was convicted of anything after being central to the 2008 financial disaster. Banks now borrow money from the government and loan it back to the Government at higher interest.

    Military contractors routinely build equipment for the military that the military does not even want.

    Drug companies got the law made that medicare was not allowed to bargain on prices for drugs, 20 billion a year. 200 billion so far.

    The list is endless. Every time you vote for a Republican you are voting for the Oligarchs that run our country. All one has to do is follow the money. If you voted Republican you got what you deserved

     
  • robert maurer posted at 3:49 pm on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 447

    more NWO info: Keyword new world order , subtitles; 1. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory) 2.en.wikipedia.org./wiki/New_World_Order 3.www.biblebelievers.org.au/nv2.htm 4.www.youtube.com/Channel/HCCpl2Y1tiAic 5.rationalwiki.org.wiki/New_World_Order 6.www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/.../new world index.htm 7.www.threeworldwars.com/new-world-order/ 8.www.globalresearch.ca/...new-world-order...world/5322085 9.www.jeremiahproject.com/nwohashtag 10.News for new world order,CNN International 11.BDlive, 12.msnbc poll on conspiracy theories reveals profound distrust of government. Related searches; New World Order facts; barack obama New World Order;New World Order 2012; New World Order Obama; New World Order Conspiracy; New World Order map; One World Government. Sorry about the messy order.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:07 pm on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Those percentages are certainly not surprising given the gullibility of certain segments of the political spectrum.

    I'm just curious, given the number of decades that this conspiracy theory has survived, how this cabal transfers power from generation to generation and NONE in this "secret society" ever assumes control of the world.

    I think believers in this nonsense have seen way too many Austin Powers movies or just have a general lack of sense, period.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 12:54 pm on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2027

    A relevent bit from a recent article on the New World Order: "• Twenty eight percent of voters believe that a secretive power elite with a globalist agenda is conspiring to eventually rule the world through an authoritarian world government, or New World Order. More Republicans (34%) and independents (35%) of independents polled believe in the New World Order than Democrats (15%). "

    http://living.msn.com/life-inspired/the-daily-dose-blog-post?post=0bd7e621-257c-43da-9d6e-47590a6b2e32&_nwpt=1

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:16 pm on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I don't know why Ms. Parigoris states "the non-existent Agenda 21." Obviously, it is a real initiative.

    The only difference is that Ms. Parigoris and other like-minded people believe it IS WHAT IT ISN'T.

    Conspiracy theorists sure have the ability to entertain!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:05 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Well, at least all of those beings seem to get along as well as collaborate. They might be able to teach humans a thing or two about cooperation!

    Thanks for the reference to the site, Mr. Paglia!

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 11:02 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1125

    Folks, I suggest that the title of this letter...

    Should be changed to:

    "Do not let the government take away our right to PAVE OVER (cement never asphalt) our private property"


    [smile]

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 10:43 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2027

    Nope, he's human. "They" wouldn't risk the President being discovered as an alien, they would rather control us through taking on seemingly minor roles. ********YES I am JOKING here, not really serious about it all.******

    But for a read to tickle your "these people are crazy" read, and I really hope that with the boards being so tense sometimes that the STAFF leaves this up as a bit of humor, try this page. Found it cause I am into what science dismisses. http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicspecies.htm

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 10:26 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    advocate Posts: 502

    Ms. Parigoris, do you believe everything you read? And which attorney translated all of this for you?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:00 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I repeat - where is the HATE and, as Mr. Kinderman now calls it, "not playing nice?"

    What is playing nice? Accepting the silly concept of NWO? Sorry, can't do it.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:57 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    So now having an opinion that opposes that of Ms. Parigoris is construed as "personal jabs and hate comments?"

    If one is "slinging" the NWO nonsense, one should learn to stand their ground and not accuse those who aren't swallowing a made up conspiracy of "personal jabs and hate comments."

    YOU are defending the position, Ms. Parigoris. Am I to name some other person to avoid your charge of making "personal jabs and hate comments?"

    And, WHERE is the hate?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:52 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    As for joining in the "sling[ing of] hateful comments back and forth all day" Ms. Parigoris - don't join in. But please don't let them drive you away. Your opinions and other remarks are always enjoyed by at least a few of us. I suppose I should make that known more often. But like you, I dislike (more like detest) the hateful and spiteful "flavor" that has permeated this forum since shortly after the requirement to post using our full names was implemented. While I had been against that particular change, it did (at least for awhile) bring a little civility to the boards. But thankfully we've never returned to the really distasteful middle school playground that existed before then.

    In other words - please don't go away just because others are unwilling or unable to play nice. The addition you make to the debates are far more valuable than those who detract from them. Just ignore them - that's what I have learned to do.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:41 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    So do we know yet whether Obama is a Grey or a Reptilian? Or some other type of shape shifter?

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 9:35 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    See ya later! Not up for the personal jabs and hate comments that have just arrived.. I have more important things to do than to sling hateful comments back and forth all day.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:11 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Sam West, Phyllis Roche, Kim Parigoris and all the other local Birchers have been onto this US/Global government conspiracy for decades and they still expect every intelligent person to believe this nonsense.

    One would think that if this was a secret plot to confiscate private property, "they," i.e., the powers behind it all, wouldn't put the information on the Internet.

    Oh, I forgot, what is public information via the Internet is actually written in code that only Birchers can decipher.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:02 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1533

    I've read it before it sounds like a good plan. The good people of this country have a strong tradition of setting aside natural areas for the sole purpose of keeping them natural and undeveloed. I fully support this tradition.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 9:02 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.ashx?DocumentID=18486
    What it is/What it is not

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 8:55 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    I have instant distrust of the UN and Agenda 21 purely for the inclusion of the letter "e" on the word programme (sic). Barbarians.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 8:48 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Why don't you go to the California Dept of Fish and Game website and search for "Habitat Connectivity Report" and click on Final Report. You will see at least what the State of California wants to do with it.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 8:42 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2027

    Obviously give it to the Greys as a peace offering. [wink]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:33 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1533

    No one should doubt Agenda 21 it is a well-documented UN Agenda. What is in doubt is that this Agenda to support sustainable living practices (the horror) is really a land grab to force country folk into the cities so they can be better managed. Kim I am curious, what does the conspiracy theorist think that the government is going to do with all that land once they get it?

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 8:23 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Here is one topic that is being discussed in NYC today and tomorrow at the UN "Expert Group Meeting" on Sustainable Development.. Please note the "shared prosperity on a shared but finite planet" " comment..This, again, is from the United Nations website discussing the non-existent Agenda 21.
    "Outline of topics to be discussed at individual sessions
    The programme covers global, regional and national aspects of the work of the
    forum as well as thematic issues, the forum’s link to other bodies and processes and
    the involvement of all relevant actors, both state and non-state. It is based on the
    fact that Rio+20 has launched a rethink of development, aimed at achieving shared
    prosperity on a shared but finite planet. This rethink will hopefully lead to a post-
    2015 development agenda with sustainable development at its heart. It needs a
    strengthened institutional framework for sustainable development

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 8:02 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Here, Eric- click here and you will see a map of the world and run your mouse over the United States...We have 3 major voluntary initiatives http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/index.php?menu=1511

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 7:57 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Anyone who doubts that there is the existence of Agenda 21, simply go to www.un.org and you can spend hours and hours reading about it, and do a search on that site for Bio Diversity when you get bored of the Agenda 21 material. I hope all you folks that support Sustainable Development don't golf or ski- these activities are UN sustainable according to the UN.
    From the UN website this morning..""Promoting sustainable human settlements development" is the subject of Chapter 7 of Agenda 21, which calls for 1) providing adequate shelter for all; 2) improving human settlements management; 3) promoting sustainable land-use planning and management; 4) promoting the integrated provision of environmental infrastructure: water, sanitation, drainage and solid waste management; 5) promoting sustainable energy and transport systems in human settlements; 6) promoting human settlements planning and management in disaster-prone areas; 7) promoting sustainable construction industry activities; and 8) promoting human resource development and capacity-building for human settlements development.

    Think all of this jibberish is going to protect private property rights? "Human settlements"? Sounds kind of creepy, doesn't it..be careful of what you are supporting...

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:43 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1533

    The agenda 21 conspiracy theory, haven't seen that pop its head up for about a year now I guess we’re in between elections and Obama hasn't done anything to destroy America lately. Sam since this take over started in 92 I assume you're including both Bushs and Clinton as Presidents attempting to establish a global government. Sam as Freud said "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".

     
  • trista aquino posted at 3:10 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    trista aquino Posts: 113

    Well idk if i agree w/ all that- im actually a supporter of sustainable living and going green... but if you want a solution to your house worries get a land patent and apply for allodial title. Do it yourself, dont go to a lawyer because often there playing for the other team (the one only big money can buy) Anyways you do this by going to the dept of land management, ask for the application, then youll have to write it up in proper format (i.e: township, range, lot etc etc) and prove you own it- perfect chain of title docs n all that, pay a fee and then viola! Whats the viola for? Well...
    Once you have allodial title no sheriff, bank or mortgage co or cpde enforcement officer can evict you-Ever, (which doesnt mean you should stop paying your mortgage as it is still a personal debt and your credit will reflect) BUT, lets just say your having hard times and couldnt make a payment- ever- well itll be ok cuz you OWN the LAND the house is on. Youll never have to pay property tax again, if you paid for the previous 3 yrs they OWE YOU, you own WATER and MINERAL RIGHTS forever and it is the only contract that will guarentee the land stays in your hands should marshal law go into action.
    Sorry but if you plan on moving to Texas or Nevada, forget what i just said bcuz it doesnt apply there.

     

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