22 comments:

• Kevin Paglia posted at 12:10 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

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  Anyone else disturbed at how excited Andrew gets at making it EASIER to kill innocent people?

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• Kevin Paglia posted at 9:14 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

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  Andrew seems to think in an all or nothing mentality. A couple check points in a couple arears looking for specific threats in his world are global deployement on every corner.

  There are MANY public transportation areas NOT being screened by TSA,,, yet. Hence my first statement, when ALL PUBLIC transportation systems/gathering areas are targeted, we will see security there. That does not exclude the fact that in many areas where violence is either common or a real threat then TSA is there to attempt to protect.

  You do know that your paranoia can be treated now adays right?

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• Andrew Liebich posted at 8:42 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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  First Kevin says, "I am sure that if there comes a point in time when ALL PUBLIC transportation systems are being targeted then we will see security measures there as well."

  Then Kevin says, "Yup, I DO know that TSA is in the places you listed as I have been through several of those check points recently."

  At this point it's probably better for you to continue debating yourself Kevin.

  Good luck. http://www.giyf.com

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• Kevin Paglia posted at 9:09 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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  Andrew seems to relish MORE events like these:

  http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2011-08-21-raiders-49ers-violence-two-shot_n.htm

  http://history1900s.about.com/cs/crimedisaster/p/okcitybombing.htm

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• Kevin Paglia posted at 8:53 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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  Lack of sleep leads to paranoia. The time stamp on Andrew's postings seem to support this.

  Yup, I DO know that TSA is in the places you listed as I have been through several of those check points recently. By your arguements I suspect you would sacrifice thousands, have everyone living in fear of those around them, have armed paranoid civilians like YOU dishing out justice on all those they are terrorfied of or disagree with. My FREEDOM and LIBERTIES are not threatened or restrictd by making sure violent, hostile lunitics are not armed in situations where they can do massive damage.

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• Andrew Liebich posted at 1:19 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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  Kevin doesn't know what's happening, and he doesn't even know that he doesn't know....

  TSA at bus stations...http://youtu.be/fzI2uozk_Cg

  TSA at train stations...http://youtu.be/7psnvpVR_e4

  TSA on highways...http://youtu.be/13KLp4aoOq0

  TSA at concerts... http://youtu.be/A8XqGqz4pPo

  TSA at NFL games...http://youtu.be/m6Y4aRA8-Vw

  And they're even at high school proms....http://youtu.be/zMApOe5MXBA

  WAKE-UP Kevin! This ISN'T about making you "safer" [sleeping]

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• Andrew Liebich posted at 12:15 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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  In the "real world" the 4th ammendment hasn't been ammended. [sleeping]

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• Thomas Heuer posted at 11:54 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

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  Dial-a-Ride vehicles aren't filled with jet fuel, don't operte at 30,000 feet off the ground. don't fly into strategic national monuments, and would not garner the same kinds of world wide headlines. Andrew with your perceived superior mental capabilities you should use your powers for good and be patient with us mere mortals who still have lives in the real world. We live above ground.

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• Kevin Paglia posted at 9:12 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

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  In looking for supporting arguements I see there are those just like Andrew who say speed limits are NOT constitutional either. Was going to post the link but realized some here probably have it bookmarked already.

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• Kevin Paglia posted at 8:58 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

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  As I keep saying and seems to escape you, flying is not a right. You knowingly purchase a ticket knowing what security measures are. It is NO different than when you go to buy a car from a dealership. You authorize them to run a credit check. If you don;t like it then you make other arrangements and buy somewhere else. IF you are unwilling to submit to flyings LEGAL security measures, then make other arrangements and get to your destinations some other way

  This is FAR different than being stopped while walking down the street and randomly stopped.

  One last thought: How would YOU keep the million+ pasangers safe on the thousands of flights daily?

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• Kevin Paglia posted at 8:50 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

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  "Are you going to address my question? "Why aren't we required to submit to a TSA molestation to ride Lodi's Dial-A-Ride cabs, Greyhound or GrapeLine buses?" "

  Because to date busses are NOT targeted by terrorists and lunitics to kill everyone on board so the resources are not needed there. I am sure that if there comes a point in time when ALL PUBLIC transportation systems are being targeted then we will see security measures there as well. And I will submit to them there as well so everyone knows they are safe.

  "Why are you only comfortable having your 4th ammendment rights violated at an airport?"

  A "Right" can not be violated if you are willingly submitting to it. I am willingly submitting to the search so I and my fellow passangers not only feel safe, but ARE safer.
  

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• Andrew Liebich posted at 12:30 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

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  Q: Why should I have to waste my time substantiating the obvious fact that Mr. Heuer and Ms. Bobin know next to nothing?

  A: They are unwilling to do their OWN research due to their OWN intellectual laziness. The following are FACTS you apparently do not know and don’t even know that you don’t know.

  FACT #1
  The order to invade Afghanistan was given PRIOR to 9/11. At a meeting of the Bush administration's top national security officials on September 10, a three-phase strategy was agreed. GOOGLE IT!

  FACT #2 http://youtu.be/RE-bKkXa-mo
  Osama bin Laden underwent treatment in July 2001 at the American Hospital in Dubai where he met a US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) official, French daily Le Figaro and Radio France International reported. Le Figaro said bin Laden was accompanied in Dubai by his personal physician and close collaborator, Ayman al-Zawahari, as well as bodyguards and an Algerian nurse.

  FACT #3 http://youtu.be/PdpZKAMk6Qc
  al-Awlaki was invited to the luncheon in the months after the attacks. He said the invitation was part of an informal program to gain a better understanding of Islam. If you believe for a second that the #2 leader behind Osama Bin Laden was invited to lunch at the Pentagon for a better understanding , I have a bridge I’d like to sell you.

  FACT #4
  September 21, 2001, the Taliban offered to hand over Osama bin Laden to a neutral country if the US could provide evidence of Bin Laden’s involvement in 9/11. GOOGLE IT! Never mind, I understand how intellectually lazy you both are… HERE: http://youtu.be/KPh6Iv2GbcA

  FACT #5
  The events of September 11, 2011, were not included on Osama’s FBI poster. According to the FBI, Osama was wanted in connection with the August 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, not the attacks of September 11. Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI, admitted years ago that there is no evidence connecting the Saudi to September 11. “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Osama bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.” Tomb said in 2006. “Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11.”

  FACT #6
  Osama denied on two occasions, September 18 and the 28 any involvement in 9/11. In late September, General Hamid Gul, the former head of the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI), gave several interviews in which he stated Osama bin Laden was not responsible for 9/11. Gul said he believed the attacks were perpetrated by the Israeli Mossad and renegade elements within the US Air Force.
  “Deliver to United States authorities all the leaders of al-Qaeda who hide in your land,” Bush ordered in his now infamous “Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists” speech of September 20. He ignored the Taliban offer to turn over Osama because there was no evidence against him.

  FACT #7
  10 years after 9/11 most of Afghanistan’s citizens don’t even know what 9/11 was. 92% to be specific. http://youtu.be/PhvSGznQ7PA

  FACT#8
  I could go on and on posting the truth. I’m clearly wasting my time. Mr. Heuer and Ms. Bobin know next to nothing and don't even know that they don't know.

  IGNORANCE IS BLISS! [sleeping]

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• Andrew Liebich posted at 11:23 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

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  Of course I read the article you posted Kevin, thus the reason I asked the question. "Why can't an x-ray detect a flat head of a shovel, a 25-pound boulder and an electric drill Kevin?"
  [sleeping]

  The x-ray machine DID and does detect such items therefore an Un-Constitutional TSA molestation in direct violation of the 4th ammendment clearly ISN'T necessary. The x-ray machines seem to work just fine. [sleeping]

  P.S. The only mention of an x-ray machine was on Pg.5 where the article stated, "items also show up regularly on airport X-ray machines"

  P.S.S. Are you going to address my question? "Why aren't we required to submit to a TSA molestation to ride Lodi's Dial-A-Ride cabs, Greyhound or GrapeLine buses?"

  How about Amtrak?

  Why are you only comfortable having your 4th ammendment rights violated at an airport?

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• Andrew Liebich posted at 8:44 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

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  First, I have never once said anything about "remote controlled" airplanes.

  Second, Why aren't we required to submit to a TSA molestation to ride Lodi's Dial-A-Ride cabs, Greyhound or GrapeLine buses? Of course nobody riding a cab or a bus is "vulnerable to someone with an axe to grind." right?
  [sleeping]

  "People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both."-Ben Franklin

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• Kevin Paglia posted at 8:37 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

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  "Why can't an x-ray can detect a flat head of a shovel, a 25-pound boulder and an electric drill Kevin?"

  For my fellow readers. Please notice that IF Andrew had bothered to actually read and TRIED to comprehend the article he would have known that the items listed we seized by TSA, doesn't mean that MADE IT THROUGH the x-ray machine. In fact most of them were caught BY the x-ray machine.

  I suspect that THIS is the primary issue with Andrew, paranoid and psychological notions prevent any attempt to find truth, only fodder for mistrust and fear.

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• Thomas Heuer posted at 8:14 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

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  Andrew ever hear of Bin Laudin? You might want to Google that and reserch him

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• Thomas Heuer posted at 8:13 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

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  Applause[beam]

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• Kevin Paglia posted at 6:18 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

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  There is your problem, Andrew... well one of them.

  We are not talking about just walking down the street and getting searched. We are talking about trying to get on a privately owned aircraft with hundreds of strangers, making them all vulnerable to someone with an axe to grind. Thousand of people have been killed by murderous lunitics that you are now defending their right to kill innocent victims.

  Of course knowing your history of buying any conspiracy that cmes along you may believe that all the arplanes are remote controled with no real people on it.

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• Joanne Bobin posted at 5:58 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

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  Mr. Liebich wrote: "and it doesn't even know that it doesn't know."

  This is pretty appropriate to Mr. Liebich's serious question to Mr. Kinderman on another thread:

  "What does 9/11 have to do with Afghanistan?"

  Mr. Kinderman: "You're joking, right?"

  Mr. Liebich: "No. Please answer my question."
  

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• Andrew Liebich posted at 1:06 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

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  Allowing the TSA to violate the 4th ammendment is as absurd as believing you are safer as a result of the TSA molestation.
  For example: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/report-woman-got-loaded-gun-past-tsa-141712196.html

  Why can't an x-ray can detect a flat head of a shovel, a 25-pound boulder and an electric drill Kevin? [sleeping]

  Ask yourself this simple question: Would you deem it acceptable if, when walking down the street in your hometown of Lodi,Ca. you were randomly stopped by law enforcement and told that you had to undergo a pat-down or strip search? What would your reaction be if, when asked why, law enforcement responded that it was to ensure the “safety and security” of the community and the people around you? Fortunately for us, it would never happen in the United States, at least not without probable cause by law enforcement. Why? Because those are the rights afforded to people in the United States under the U.S. Constitution’s Fourth Amendment.

  So it begs the question, why is it acceptable for TSA to engage in the very same practice, all under the guise of protecting the safety and security of the flying public? The answer is simple: It is NOT acceptable!

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• Kevin Paglia posted at 12:04 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

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  And Andrew says the TSA shouldn;t be allowed to search us:

  http://local.msn.com/events/weird-wacky-and-just-plain-dangerous-tsa-finds

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• Andrew Liebich posted at 7:31 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

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  I agree Mr. Wilson, it's time to "Stand up for patriotism and the constitution our forefathers fought for." however, the general population doesn't know what's happening, and it doesn't even know that it doesn't know.
  [sleeping]

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