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Posted: Thursday, November 28, 2013 12:00 am

Sadly, I confess a weakness; I really enjoy gloating. To all of you so much smarter than me (including President Obama, Harry Reid, Pelosi and Chucky Schumer) guess what? Communism/socialism/liberalism does not work. Period!

You guys hang in there. Utopia is out there somewhere. It has made the insiders wealthy. Ask “Di Fi,” Stalin, Castro, Chevez — anyone from the “in” crowd.

But how about the rest of us? Have we kept our health care/doctor? Oops, our premiums have gone up! Barbara Boxer’s have not. Oh yes, Congress is exempt from Obamacare.

Who said they didn’t read the bill? Nonsense. They just didn’t read the part about you and me.

Their health care/retirement plans are terrific. How about yours? I hope you wake up and vote next November. It really is important.

Jerry Osgood

Galt

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60 comments:

  • John Lucas posted at 3:41 pm on Wed, Dec 4, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [thumbup]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:28 am on Wed, Dec 4, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    In states that expand their Medicaid programs, citizens with incomes under 138 percent of the federal poverty level will be automatically enrolled into Medicaid, while non-citizens will receive subsidies to purchase coverage in the Obamacare exchange.
    [sleeping]

    In states that do not expand their Medicaid programs, non-citizens will be able to purchase subsidized health insurance in the exchanges, while American citizens below 100 percent of the poverty line may not qualify for subsidized coverage at all.
    [sleeping]

    It simply doesn’t make sense to offer non-citizens more and better coverage options than American citizens.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:16 am on Wed, Dec 4, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    By the way- the article was based on an update to the 2004 report: “Everyday Low Wages: The Hidden Price We All Pay for Wal-Mart” A report prepared by the Democratic staff of the U.S. House Committee on Education and the Workforce.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:05 am on Wed, Dec 4, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Explain what's fraudulent about the videos....What exactly was edited out that explains why ACORN reps in multiple offices were compelled to defraud the government for the cameras? Isn't it about time you take a step back and examine the people/party you feel compelled to defend? What is it moves you to argue so vigorously in the face of reality? I'm not suggesting you join another Party, I'm simply asking you to hold your team accountable. Try addressing the issue of systematic fraud instead of scrabbling for excuses. Apparently the Democrat controlled Senate didn't side with your lopsided view, and ACORN was disbanded.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:54 pm on Tue, Dec 3, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/363699/truth-about-navigators-john-fund

    This article and video have NOTHING to do with "non-citizens," or "non-Americans" signing up for the ACA.

    And if you think that James O'Keefe DOESN'T lie and edit his videos, the same way he did in his ACORN project, (in case you don't remember, all of his stunts have been debunked) you must be crazy.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:47 pm on Tue, Dec 3, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I believe it was YOU who used the "GET INFORMED," so don't attribute that to me.

    I don't think we were talking about "non-citizens." Mr. Kinderman used the term "non-Americans," implying that illegals were going to be using the ACA.

    Permanent Residents are entitled to apply to Medicaid and SCHIP - of course, but if want to continue to claim that ILLEGALS will be able to sign up, you are incorrect.

    And if think for one second that that moron, O'Keefe will be producing anything credible, you must be crazy.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:28 pm on Tue, Dec 3, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Explaining the realities of Obamacare to an Obamanoid is like explaining the sky to a fish Brian.
    [rolleyes]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:22 pm on Tue, Dec 3, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mr. Barrow,
    What planet are you on?

    81% of American voters wish to see the new health care law repealed or significantly changed.
    [sleeping]

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/december_2013/81_favor_repealing_or_changing_health_care_law

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:15 am on Tue, Dec 3, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich wrote: "Your "recently released information" is something we reported back in June."

    http://www.infowars.com/congressional-report-proves-taxpayers-are-subsidizing-wal-mart-employees/

    Bravo, Mr. Liebich! You are correct that the InfoWars article was released on June 4th and was copied (and at least an attempt at clever editing was made) from an article in the Huffington Post dated MAY 31.

    But good attempt trying to have your "employer" take full credit for the release of this information.

    By the way - the only places I found this being reported on were LIBERAL news websites (except for InfoWars, of course).

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:48 am on Tue, Dec 3, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    What part of taking personal responsibility do you not understand? When one refuses to buy health insurance the rest of us are on the hook for your visits to the emergency room. I thought you right wingers were for personal responsibility. I guess not.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:44 am on Tue, Dec 3, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Brian, the only thing Jerome talks about is abortion. Read the New Testament and the words of Jesus. Has Jerome ever seconded the ideas of Jesus? Not that I ever heard. Jerome, like you, is a right wing fanatic who thinks the road to heaven is through opposing abortion. Check out what Pope Francis says about economics. It is in clear opposition to Republican policies and dogma. I have said it before and I will say it again. You cannot be a follower of Jesus and vote Republican. It is just not possible.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:35 am on Tue, Dec 3, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I would if Jerome was a follower of Jesus.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:09 am on Tue, Dec 3, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1533

    You’re comparing the leading purveyor of cheap Chinese goods to a system that will provide healthcare to every citizen of this country?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:51 am on Tue, Dec 3, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [sleeping] Google "Medicaid Auto Enroll"

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:48 am on Tue, Dec 3, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    As you would say Ms. Bobin, "GET INFORMED" [sleeping]

    Non-citizens are eligible for Medicaid. This is not a new development. However, the documentation and verification process for such enrollments was significantly eased by regulations in the Affordable Care Act. Getting fraudulent applications for Medicaid or CHIP approved is now easier, and thus more likely as O’Keefe’s Project Veritas has clearly demonstrated.
    [sleeping]

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/363699/truth-about-navigators-john-fund

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:44 am on Tue, Dec 3, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Brian Dockter wrote: "Jerry Brown Is Democrat in name only. I may not agree with all of his politics. He knew he had to make some tough decisions. He used the common sense approach. Not exactly a Democrat characteristic."

    So, now one of Jerry Brown's biggest detractors in this forum call Jerry Brown "a Democrat in name only?"

    Please! That comment made my day. Why didn't the biggest joke and most unethical Republican EVER to run this state make the same "tough decisions?" Oh, that's right...he was too busy unzipping his pants!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:40 am on Tue, Dec 3, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    No FANTASY, Mr. Dockter. Refer to my comment above.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:40 am on Tue, Dec 3, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Dockter wrote: "Ms. Bobbin is concerned about what it costs taxpayers in entitlements every year for every Wal-Mart. I'll have to check this out. I believe she may be overstating this."

    Actually, Mr. Dockter, according to this Forbes article, I was UNDERSTATING the numbers. Here are the details and what California intends to do about it:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/06/03/california-to-wal-mart-enough-no-more-taxpayer-subsidized-profits-for-you/

    And anyone with a modicum of logical thought would be able to make a differentiation between what the ACA is costing taxpayers (or saving taxpayers for that matter) and what is being dumped on taxpayers because the largest PRIVATE employer in the US is exploiting employees and too cheap to pay them a living wage.

    I hope other states take up California's initiative and start fining WalMarts in their states to placing a burden on their state's entitlements.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:38 am on Tue, Dec 3, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1533

    Not exactly 39% like obamacare 15% don't like it because it does not go far enough which means 54% are either happy with Obamacare or would like to see it go further and 54% works just fine.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:37 am on Tue, Dec 3, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Ms. Bobin,

    Your "recently released information" is something we reported back in June. [sleeping]

    http://www.infowars.com/congressional-report-proves-taxpayers-are-subsidizing-wal-mart-employees/

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:17 am on Tue, Dec 3, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You have to remember, Brian, that whatever the Republicans are for is in the interests of the big corporations and the very very wealthy and is very seldom in the interests of working people of the middle class. Most of the time if the Republicans are for it it is better for the nation as a whole to be against it.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 3:32 am on Tue, Dec 3, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    John,

    What part of "Obamacare is a tax" don't you understand???

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 3:16 am on Tue, Dec 3, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    Eric Barrow,

    More aptly put. 85% felt the ACA went too far. And if Obamacare is an attempt to transistion the healthcare insurance industry into a single payer system, I would say 85% is a bit low.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 3:05 am on Tue, Dec 3, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    Johm Lucas stated:

    What really bothers me is that you call yourself a follower of Jesus. How is that possible?

    -John,

    In another comment you said Jesus was a radical. So, how is it possible that Jerome should be a follower of Jesus based on your POV? It seems to me you clearly don't know, like the rest of us, what Jesus was really like. Yet you apply labels to him to suit your needs.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 2:49 am on Tue, Dec 3, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    Ms. Bobbin stated:

    Mr. Liebich is once again exercising his propensity for fantasy.

    -Speaking of propensity for fantasy. Ms. Bobbin has this fantasy that
    the alleged burden every Wal-Mart has on U.S. taxpayers is an equal burden on U.S. taxpayers as Obamacare.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 2:39 am on Tue, Dec 3, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    Hmm,

    Ms. Bobbin is concerned about what it costs taxpayers in entitlements every year for every Wal-Mart. I'll have to check this out. I believe she may be overstating this.
    Yet she doesn't seem to be the list bit concerned about the U.S. government now in control of the healthcare insurance industry which is 1/6th of the U.S. economy. Obamacare is one huge entitlement program and the burden financially put on the backs of every taxpayer in America has yet to be fully realized.

     
  • David Diskin posted at 12:17 am on Tue, Dec 3, 2013.

    David Diskin Posts: 184

    My plan is decreasing by about $100/mo, and I don't qualify for any subsidies.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:26 pm on Mon, Dec 2, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    Jerry Brown Is Democrat in name only. I may not agree with all of his politics. He knew he had to make some tough decisions. He used the common sense approach. Not exactly a Democrat characteristic.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:18 pm on Mon, Dec 2, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    John,

    Since you believe Jesus was a radical it seems apparent you should give more creadance for what Jerome has to say, in a manner of speaking.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:34 pm on Mon, Dec 2, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    It is amazing how corporations have their snouts at the public trough. You have to give them credit on how devious they are when stealing from the taxpayer. Good post Joanne.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:07 pm on Mon, Dec 2, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Since YOU would like to be named, Ed, let's go ahead with that.

    YOU stated: "Gray Davis, a Democrat was relieved of his duties as governor for his bad decessions (sic) in the electricia (sic)l mess called electric deregulation."

    Guess what, Ed? Gray Davis was forced out of office on trumped up accusations. Haven't you read the news lately? A British Columbia power company was just ordered to pay California a 750 MILLION $$ settlement for gouging California for electric charges during the crisis of the early 2000's.

    Imagine. A man who was thrown out of office for NO REASON and replaced by a man who not only can't keep it in his pants....he let the progeny of that encounter and its mother live in his household for 14 years unbeknownst to his legitimate family!!

    Wonder what your wife would think of that? Just go along because he was a Republican? I doubt it...I'll bet Mrs. Ed would throw the indiscriminate fornicator out on his posterior.

    Per YOUR request, Mr. Ed Walters wrote: "You bring up Barrycare and all the benifits (sic) it will bring, now explane (sic) who will pay for it, for instance women of non-child bearing age will, the young and healthy will, while the sick lame and lazy get a pass since they cannot pay for something they don`t have---- MONEY.

    First, I have to ask you - are YOU a man who claims to be a Christian? If so, shame on you. "sick, lame and lazy get a pass?" SHAME, SHAME.

    Second - do YOU actually know how insurance works??????????

    Didn't think so. Look up a local actuarial - since I don't believe you know what that is, here's the definition for your benefit: Actuarial - "Insurance. a person who computes premium rates, dividends, risks, etc., according to probabilities based on statistical records."

    Since it is evident that you DO NOT know how insurance works, let me explain.

    If you work for an employer who provides health insurance OR life insurance OR whatever insurance, that employer's insurance carriers will give you a premium quote based on the AGE, HEALTH CONDITIONS AND/OR EXPERIENCE RATING (that means how often employees used the insurance or how BAD their health is). This is nothing new. It is how ALL group insurance works.

    So, if you think it is some sort of plot to make young and healthy people pay for the sick people, think again. Any person with any knowledge would know this fact and not make uninformed comments like yours.

    And if you think KAISER is NOT an insurance company, think again. Do they charge you premiums? Of course they do.

    Kaiser is one of the biggest HMO's in the country. Whatever "group" you belong to, whether it is an employer plan, MediCare advantage, or individual plan, THEY CHARGE YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR GROUP EXPERIENCE AND AGE.

    They also make YOUR health decisions based on what THEY WANT TO PAY FOR. If KAISER thinks you might drop dead after a procedure, THEY WON'T AUTHORIZE IT. Waste of money and resources.

    Stop kidding yourself, Ed. Kaiser may be the best thing since sliced bread for you, but they still go by the same guidelines as every other insurance/HMO does. Wake up: Here from Wikipedia:

    Kaiser Permanente is an integrated managed care consortium, based in Oakland, California, United States, founded in 1945 by industrialist Henry J. Kaiser and physician Sidney Garfield. Kaiser Permanente is made up of three distinct groups of entities: the Kaiser Foundation Health Plan and its regional operating subsidiaries; Kaiser Foundation Hospitals; and the autonomous regional Permanente Medical Groups. As of 2006, Kaiser Permanente operates in nine states and the District of Columbia, and is THE LARGEST MANAGED CARE ORGANIZATION in the United States.

    Kaiser Permanente has 8.9 million health plan members, 167,300 employees, 14,600 physicians, 37 medical centers, and 611 medical offices. In its most recently reported year, the non-profit Kaiser Foundation Health Plan and Kaiser Foundation Hospitals entities reported a combined $1.6 billion in net income on $47.9 billion in operating revenues. Each independent Permanente Medical Group operates as a separate for-profit partnership or professional corporation in its individual territory, and while none publicly report their financial results, each is primarily funded by reimbursements from its respective regional Kaiser Foundation Health Plan entity.

    "Managed Care." Do you know what that means, Ed? It means they have DEATH PANELS!!

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 1:31 pm on Mon, Dec 2, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 548

    Joanne: As a rule you drag out everyones name to fit your own needs. You know who wrote the "same goes for Barry" no mention of name which is unlike you. To bring up the " Top " Republican who fathered a son with his housekeeper, lets take this to a much higher level, JFK, who was a woman chaser, M. Monroe was his top conquest. Gray Davis, a Democrat was relieved of his duties as governor for his bad decessions in the electricial mess called electric deregulation. There might be Republicians in the state, still they have no vote in the Demo controlled Congress. Thanks to a judge that could see the forest from the trees, the Bullet Train has been derailed.

    You bring up Barrycare and all the benifits it will bring, now explane who will pay for it, for instance women of non-child bearing age will, the young and healthy will, while the sick lame and lazy get a pass since they cannot pay for something they don`t have---- MONEY. There are still over 4 million without hospital care since their plans have again been derailed by Barry, since they don`t fit into his plan. Glad I have what I have, the best, without an insurance company to tell me what I can have and cannot have. You know who I am talking about. If not, KAISER, if the country could be run like Kaiser, it would be better off. [wink]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:44 pm on Mon, Dec 2, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I'm curious what Mr. Dockter and Mr. Liebich think about recently released information reveals that EVERY SINGLE WalMart costs taxpayers anywhere from $75,000 to 1.5 million dollars in government entitlements each year?

    Why are we, those who actually pay taxes (the 53% as defined by Mitt Romney), required to subsidize the largest employer in the United States?

    Another reason I no longer shop at WalMart and oppose the construction of a Super WalMart in Lodi.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:59 am on Mon, Dec 2, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    And funny - a Google search DOES NOT confirm those "59,000 jobs."

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:57 am on Mon, Dec 2, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Funny - California was going down the tubes under the Republican governor with the mistress and illegitimate child living in HIS HOUSEHOLD for 14 years.

    Now the state budget is balanced.

    Who DID THAT? Oh, right, Democrat Jerry Brown.

    And judging from this forum, those who have "voted with their feet," were no loss at all.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:52 am on Mon, Dec 2, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    If Jesus DIDN'T have a "one sided opinion" I would be completely shocked!!!!

    As far as I can tell, Jesus didn't exactly put his opinions up for debate.

    Have you actually read the New Testament, Brian?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:48 am on Mon, Dec 2, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [beam][thumbup][smile]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:47 am on Mon, Dec 2, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Another load of BS, Mr. Liebich.

    First, people don't apply for Medicaid. They are directed to Medicaid eligibility in their state or county. They are NOT ENROLLED IMMEDIATELY, as you claim erroneously.

    GET INFORMED! [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:43 am on Mon, Dec 2, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich is once again exercising his propensity for fantasy. He wrote: "In fact, the opposite occurs: the applicant is enrolled in Medicaid immediately."

    "The applicant is then given a 90-day period to clear up the identification problem."

    Do you have actual evidence that this is true? No.

    I signed my daughter up for the ACA, and while she did not qualify for any of the health plans, she did qualify "initially" for Medi-Cal.

    Here is the DIRECT quote from the letter she received from Covered California dated November 21st:

    "Based on the information you gave us, we believe you MAY be eligible for coverage through the Medi-Cal program.

    YOUR COUNTY OF RESIDENCE WILL CONTACT YOU IF MORE INFORMATION IS NEEDED. YOU WILL RECEIVE A SEPARATE NOTICE ABOUT YOUR ELIGIBILITY FOR MEDI-CAL

    IF YOU THINK WE MADE A MISTAKE, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL THE ELIGIBILITY DECISION FOR "PREMIUM ASSISTANCE" (aka, the ACA subsidized program).

    This tells me that the "application process" for Medi-Cal has more steps before she is actually approved and can get coverage. AND SHE IS A CITIZEN. Perhaps YOU are familiar with ways that "non-Americans" can FOOL THE SYSTEM?

    Once again - stop handing out WRONG information. You are not helping anyone's level of information with your nonsense.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:52 am on Mon, Dec 2, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    As usual right wing over the top hyperbole. Some will pay a little more but the vast majority will pay less.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:49 am on Mon, Dec 2, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Jesus would want us to put everyone on Medicare but then he was pretty much a radical.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:49 am on Mon, Dec 2, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    Ms. Bobbin stated:

    This certainly explains a lot, now doesn't it? The FEAR that "some non-Americans" are going to get a benefit they don't deserve.

    -So you're saying it was never the case that "some non-Americans" got benefits they didn't deserve? Where have you been?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:37 am on Mon, Dec 2, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    John,

    So you're saying if Republicans had more say in Calif. you would be the first to protest even though there's plenty of evidence the reason AZ is going to create 59,000 new jobs next year is because of the Republican majorities government?

    Frankly, I don't know how people sleep in Calif with that constant giant sucking sound.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:30 am on Mon, Dec 2, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    John,

    You're right. Obamacare has made it much more complicated than it has to be.
    Never before in the histpry of the United States has such an important law been passed where the other party, in this instance the Republican Party , has had so much opposition to the law. Now, I ask you. What would Jesus think of your one sided position?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:13 am on Mon, Dec 2, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    John,

    You conveniently left out the catastrophic prices people are experiencing when they sign up for Obamacare. You seem to be unwilling to participate in the main objection most people have with Obamacare. Obama's got something he can call the most notable achievement for his legacy. Top snake oil salesman of all time. Not that you care.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:10 pm on Sat, Nov 30, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Applicants attempting to register for Medicaid as non-citizens by using Healthcare.gov will have their identification checked in real-time by the SAVE (Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements) database. But if SAVE verification fails, the applicant is not prevented from enrolling in Medicaid/CHIP.

    In fact, the opposite occurs: the applicant is enrolled in Medicaid immediately.

    The applicant is then given a 90-day period to clear up the identification problem.

    This “enroll first, confirm later” regulation, combined with the ACA’s easing of verification requirements, allows anyone, from a computer anywhere in the world, to successfully auto-enroll for 90 days of Medicaid by entering fraudulent information about being a certain category of legal alien living in the United States.

    "GET INFORMED" [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:28 am on Sat, Nov 30, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "same goes for Obama, he comes to California since that is where the Demos and money is. He has to get it from the Demos, simple reason is, theres no Republicans in this state."

    While we are far from being a "Republican-less" state, it seems that our experience with Republicans is crowned by the last "top" Republican who fathered a son with his housekeeper who thereafter lived in his household for 14 years along with his wife and legitimate children.

    Wow! What a shining example of Republican ethics and morals!

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:21 am on Sat, Nov 30, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    There plenty of Republicans in this state. We are just lucky that they have been stripped of power in the state government. Sadly this is not true for the rest of the nation though it is trending that way. Within 20 years they will be a rump party of the south and the country will better for it.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:07 pm on Fri, Nov 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Joanne, there you go again which the facts [smile]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:06 pm on Fri, Nov 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Fear and abortion. That is all Jerome has got.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 5:21 pm on Fri, Nov 29, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 548

    Walter: When it comes to eating crow, no one can hold a candle to Barry since he can`t tell who`s on first, he comes to California 3-4 times a year in an attempt to asure his fellow Democrats that Obamacare will work and stump for his fellow Demos for the 2014 election and a $1.000+ a plate dinner. Strange, college kids in there spear time can build a web-site, not all that difficult. Barry comes to California on the publics $100,000 dollar a minute Air Force 1, he reminds me of Willie Sutton, when asked why Willie robbed banks, his answer was simple, thats where the money is, same goes for Obama, he comes to California since that is where the Demos and money is. He has to get it from the Demos, simple reason is, theres no Republicans in this state. Crows or shoes, take your pick.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:12 pm on Fri, Nov 29, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "for the first time in their lives there will be millions of Americans (and I would suspect some non-Americans as well) who will have health insurance."

    This certainly explains a lot, now doesn't it? The FEAR that "some non-Americans" are going to get a benefit they don't deserve.

    "Just so you know," any person signing up for the ACA must declare whether they are a citizen or not. If the answer is "citizen," the next question is "natural born citizen or naturalized citizen?" If naturalized you MUST provide the number of your certificate of naturalization. If this information is NOT provided, you must provide it before any further processing of the application.

    All information entered is IMMEDIATELY cross-referenced with ALL applicable federal and state agencies to include citizenship info, income (tax return) info, etc.

    So let's GET OFF the nonsense about "suspecting" that "non-Americans" will be signing up for this program. It is nothing more than fear-mongering for the uninformed/ill-informed who want more and more reasons to be against the ACA. Suggestion: GET INFORMED BEFORE MAKING STUPID ACCUSATIONS.

    This is the same group of individuals who STILL think the president was born in Kenya.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:36 am on Fri, Nov 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Your ignorance on healthcare policy and how to get healthcare costs down is mind boggling. Get out of your cocoon and see how other industrialized countries do it. Try to educate yourself on the issues by looking at these countries. If you do that you will come to the conclusion that Obamacare is going to work and bring healthcare costs down dramatically.

    What really bothers me is that you call yourself a follower of Jesus. How is that possible? It is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer that the health system before Obamacare was designed to make a few people very very wealthy. You want to back to a system that it was virtually impossible for a person with a previous condition to even get health insurance. You want to go back to a system that the health insurance death panels refused to pay for healthcare to those who paid for it for reasons that were nonsense. You want to go back to a system that 50 million people did not have any insurance at all. These thing do not happen in other industrialized countries. The facts are that we paid twice as much per person as these countries. We would save a trillion dollars a ear of your GDP if we adopted almost any of them.

    Is the freedom to watch your neighbors suffer, die and go bankrupts worth paying twice as much per person as any of these other countries worth it? What do you think Jesus would think of you position? I know you do not have the courage to answer these questions for to you faith and spirituality starts and ends with abortion. I got bad news for you, Jerome, it is much more complicated than that.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:30 am on Fri, Nov 29, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    FYI, Mr. Kinderman - there are A LOT of children who continue on to Graduate School and beyond and DO NOT HAVE employers to pay for their healthcare.

    I'm always amazed at how sheltered Mr. Kinderman is and cannot fathom that there exist people outside his circle of knowledge that have much different circumstances. I doubt very much that these individuals engaged in improving their educational and occupational opportunities are the MOOCHERS and LAZY BUMS you imagine them to be and they fortunately do not have to worry about looking for healthcare while they focus on their educations.

    Not to mention HIS great healthcare system that HE personally has touted in this forum for saving his life - a system he pays ZERO dollars to take advantage of.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:21 am on Fri, Nov 29, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    It goes to show that uninformed letter writers like Jerry Osgood just indiscriminately throw in names like "Stalin, Castro and Chevez (sic)" without knowing what they are talking about. I'm surprised he didn't also mention Marx, Lenin, Hitler, Dr. Mengele, Dr. Frankenstein and Dr. Jekyll.

    We should be so lucky to have a healthcare system like that in Cuba (ratio of doctors is 627 per 10K people compared to 225 per 10K in the US). Guess what? Most Cuban physicians fled to the US after the Cuban revolution. They apparently knew which side their bread was buttered on.

    And not coincidentally, Cuba was one of the countries that our resident medical expert, Darrell Baumbach, DID NOT mention in his last letter on medical tourism. 20,000 people per year travel to Cuba for medical procedures that do not include plastic surgery or sex changes (as opposed to Thailand).

    Health organizations worldwide have made the following statements about the Cuban healthcare system:

    The Kaiser Family Foundation, a non-governmental organization that evaluated Cuba’s healthcare system in 2000-1 described Cuba as "a shining example of the power of public health to transform the health of an entire country by a commitment to prevention and by careful management of its medical resources"[90] President of the World Bank James Wolfensohn also praised Cuba's healthcare system in 2001, saying that "Cuba has done a great job on education and health", at the annual meeting of the Bank and the International Monetary Fund. Wayne Smith, former head of the US Interests Section in Havana identified "the incredible dedication" of Cubans to healthcare, adding that "Doctors in Cuba can make more driving cabs and working in hotels, but they don't. They're just very dedicated." Dr. Robert N. Butler, president of the
    International Longevity Center in New York and a Pulitzer Prize-winning author on aging, has traveled to Cuba to see firsthand how doctors are trained. He said a principal reason that some health standards in Cuba approach the high American level is that the Cuban system emphasizes early intervention. Clinic visits are free, and the focus is on preventing disease rather than treating it. Furthermore, London's The Guardian newspaper lauded Cuba's public healthcare system for what it viewed as its high quality in a Sept. 12, 2007 article.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:13 am on Fri, Nov 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [smile]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:54 am on Fri, Nov 29, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1533

    Jerry I understand that you are not happy with the direction health care is moving in but you are mistaken in your belief that the left is unaware of what is going on. What is happening is intentional, a recent poll showed that 15% of the country did not feel the ACA went far enough and a single payer system is what we need. I’m sure I’ve said this before but let me try once more to explain. Obama campaigned on health care reform in 2008 he was elected to accomplish this and other progressive goals, that’s why we elected him that’s why we support him and after the 2014 elections we fully expect him to complete his agenda.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:43 am on Thu, Nov 28, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2357

    Oh, I see now - for the first time in their lives there will be millions of Americans (and I would suspect some non-Americans as well) who will have health insurance. The only way the system can sustain those additional millions is by raising the costs for those who once had healthcare plans they liked with premiums and costs they could afford. Sure, that sounds fair. (Sarcasm intended.)

    As for those “kids” who get to stay on their parent’s plans, 25-year-old adults may be the children of their parents, but I think by the time they reach 21 or 22 they should be beginning to take on the responsibilities of adulthood. For me, I was never on my “parents” policies. Starting at age 18 I supplied insurance through my employer for not only myself, but then later on for my family as well.

    I sure wouldn’t want to go through those years again with the current healthcare debacle. What a colossal mess.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 10:30 am on Thu, Nov 28, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1125

    "Sadly, I confess a weakness"

    Jerry's secret passion revealed. Oh brother.

    Nothing new here that we haven't seen before, in his almost weekly letters.

    As past observations have shown, his pleasure will be fleeting!!

    And his true speciality will be once again confirmed.

    Eating crow!

    [smile]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:17 am on Thu, Nov 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Repeating a comment made elsewhere:

    As usual overstating your case. It is estimated that about a million and a half in the individual market who had insurance will pay more and a few million will pay less. In the end there will be millions who will have heath insurance for the first time in their lives. this is not counting the kids who stay on their parents insurance, the fact that insurance companies cannot drop you anymore and there can be not be monetary limits any more. In the end it will dramatically bring down health care costs by limiting the amount allowed for admin and people getting preventive care and going to the doctor when sick.
    You right wingers put all your marbles on the failure of Obamacare. In a year the Democrats are go to blow the republicans out of the water. Between the shutdown, the success of Obamacare and the general wackiness of people like Ted Cruz, Sarah Pali, Michelle Bachman, Steve King etc you are not going to like the results. I remember when I told you that Obama would convincingly beat Romney and you guys laughed at me. Write it down the next election is going to be a disaster for the Republicans. and I do not care what your chain emails say.

     

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