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Letter: ‘Bridgegate’ could just be the tip of the iceberg for Gov. Chris Christie

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Posted: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:00 am

I read, with many a chuckle, Mr. Richard Viall’s recent letter in which he pondered the question of “why the left (is) spending so much time, effort and money attacking Gov. Chris Christie.” He calls it a “discredit program” typical of progressives.

Unfortunately, Christie’s “problems” are not the invented machinations of the left. “Bridgegate” has turned out to be a very similar situation to a little burglary that occurred in June 1972 at the Watergate office building in Washington, D.C. Who knew, when five men were arrested for that burglary, it would lead to the downfall of the first sitting president to be implicated in a criminal cover-up and his subsequent resignation from the highest office in the land?

New Jersey legislators have been trying to get answers to the lane closures on the George Washington Bridge since the incident occurred back in Sept. 2013. The recent disclosure of emails from Gov. Christie’s deputy chief of staff to his appointee at the Port Authority have been explosive. The lane closures have been definitely linked to the governor’s office, his high ranking staff, and, it may be revealed, to Christie himself.

“So what?” you might wonder. “A traffic jam that occurred on the busiest bridge in the world — what is the big deal?” But like Watergate, it seems that the bridge debacle is just the tip of the iceberg. Like many a scandal, once the can of worms has been opened, it’s tough to get those slimy creatures back into the dark vessel from which they emerged.

Christie’s staff has been well-trained. Any trace of non-compliance with Christie’s wishes is dealt with swift retribution. But for the bridge problem, there would not have been further revelations of doling out Superstorm Sandy money in return for approvals for Christie’s pet projects — a federal criminal act.

To place blame for Gov. Christie’s predicament on a mythical “discredit program” is naïve at best. At worst, it is a denial that serious crimes might have been committed by an individual entrusted with the stewardship of his of his state’s affairs and the taxpayers’ money.

Joanne Bobin

Lodi

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181 comments:

  • Mike Adams posted at 12:32 pm on Thu, Feb 27, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1385

    Lets be clear: "CBS" and "UPI" are reporting on the nuts who believe in this, another conspiracy by the UN or G.H.W. Bush. Those who are reporting it, are "special" because those who believe in this voodoo science aren't right in the head. You will see that major legitimate news services report this somewhat "tongue in cheek" trying to keep from gigglilng as the interviewee drones on senslessly. The massive amount of "evidence" almost always comes down to doctored photos (which andrew has attempted to use here (but has been caught time and time again), semi-annonymous interviews of subjects who lack the credentials to understand the issue, form a position and defend it.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:33 am on Wed, Feb 26, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Only "special people can observe and report on them" Mr. Baxter.

    Apparently "special people" includes CBS Miami and United Press International (UPI). [lol]

    http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/01/25/blackhawks-used-in-military-training-exercise-in-miami/

    http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2011/04/20/Helicopters-conduct-drill-over-Miami/UPI-20391303323967/

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:08 am on Sat, Feb 22, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    For some reason, my previous comment was not posted, even though it was not offensive in any way.

    "Projecting," Baxxter? That is your answer to everything - the same technique that Darrell Baumbach used to use: I'm rubber, your glue, bounces off me and sticks to you."

    Schoolyard nonsense that is to be expected from the juvenile set.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:05 am on Sat, Feb 22, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Most likely the tinfoil is the key ingredient.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:00 am on Sat, Feb 22, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Doctor wrote: "voyeurism sites ran (sic) by the Religious Right?"

    Who is talking about "voyeurism sites," Mr. Doctor?

    Just look at what is going on in your own state right now. The religious right wants to amend the Constitution of the United States to allow them to discriminate against gays by refusing them services based on their opposition to their sexual orientation.

    Obviously, they are QUITE concerned about what goes on in people's bedrooms or wherever. They must have really good gaydar in Arizona that these religious fanatics can tell who they should serve and who they shouldn't.

    Chuckle!

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:09 am on Sat, Feb 22, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    And, of course Ms. Bobbin and her minions place the blame for Obama's predicaments on a "discredit program" that is not mythical in their minds . Why else would they call anyone who disagrees with Obama a "Racist". At worst, it is a denial that serious crimes might have been committed by an individual entrusted with the stewardship of his country's affairs and the taxpayers’ money.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:00 am on Sat, Feb 22, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Ms. Bobbin stated:

    Mr. Dockter - both of your comments below make absolutely NO SENSE.

    -Of course they don't make any sense to you. It just proves my point you will not offer up a scintila of criticism of the Obama Admin. and everyone else who are the water carriers for this Admin.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:34 pm on Fri, Feb 21, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    What? The disciple cricticiizing the devil? Baaad things might happen. Maybe even an IRS audit, scarey stuff for people who may "fudge" on their tax returns..

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:20 pm on Fri, Feb 21, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Dang, Mike, now you have me confused. What's the difference between a heliocopter' (sic) and a "helocopter" (sic). My natural inquisitive nature forces me to ask that question. A website link from you would be great. Thanks, in advance.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:17 pm on Fri, Feb 21, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Debatable.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:56 pm on Fri, Feb 21, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Mr. Adams, how many pictures of aircraft did you have to peruse before you finally figured out what I fly. It is a 1995 Super King Air SE, owned by me and my cousin. Since you claim it is only a model, next time I come to Lodi Airport I will give you a call and you can come out so I can use your credit card to fill the tanks. A model aircraft shouldn't cost that much, could it?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:39 pm on Fri, Feb 21, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Mr. Adams, since you are "one of the bright people on the left", please tell me what a helocopter looks like. In which branch of the military did you serve? My dad and uncles were pilots. I learned to fly (although not yet licensed) before I had a driver's license. Something only ground pounders can dream about.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 12:15 pm on Fri, Feb 21, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 376

    Thank you for the clarification, Mike. You were basically referring to Nixon & the Republican's "southern strategy" and not in terms of issues other than race. I see that now. I'm not sure that Nixon's Law and Order platform was necessarily segregation in disguise, though, although his choice of Agnew was definitely a nod to the southern racist establishment. I think it was also a product of the very turbulent 1960s (especially 1968.) And, you're right, Nixon was a strange guy & actually did some very liberal things. I'm not sure that I believe republicans now hate everything except tax breaks for the rich, but I definitely understand your take on history. Thanks!

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:39 am on Fri, Feb 21, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    It makes absolutley no sense to me why Ms. Bobbin never offers up a scintila of criticism of Obama.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:34 am on Fri, Feb 21, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Ms. Bobbin stated:

    That way goes the prurient minds of the conservative religious right. They seem to be curious about what goes on in everyone's bedrooms or whatever rooms they enjoy using, Mr. Adams.

    -Hmm.

    Can you provide us with some examples of voyeurism sites ran by the Religious Right?

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:52 pm on Thu, Feb 20, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1385

    The Republican party I grew up with were good people, still to some degree, the party of Lincoln. Eisenhower sent troops in, what year was that, (to google....) 1957. Yet 6 years later, Kennedy had to federalize the Nat. Guard in Alabama to get black kids in past George Wallace (who was still a rampant democrat I believe). Johnson signed the Civil Rights bill which only widened the chasm that had been developing between segregationists and, let's call them normal people. Long time democrats began flocking to the right, not knowing that in time (several decades) they would become the "wrongs". By Nixon's second time at bat, so many former dems had moved to the wrong side, and Nixon needed their votes to carry the south so he came out with his "law and order" movement. Which was another way to say "get in the back of the bus". Of course the segregationist, by now new republicans mostly, fully favored anything that would return the south back in time. This is why Humphrey lost in the south and lost the election. Southern former democrats supported Nixon and Agnew (a southern governor). Strom Thurman is probably the highest ranking Dem that changed sides. The "normal people" saw opportunity and ran as democrats, eventually winning majorities in some states.

    So by the very early 70's, republicans (particularly southern republicans, former democrats) began their campaign against civil rights and affirmative action. (Nixon may have signed it, but he was an odd sock, starting the EPA, another splinter in the gop's behind).

    Certainly there is no better example of the wrongs lack of understanding of political theater. In the mid-90's, Trent Lott (a generally likeable guy, probably fair with people of all kinds) didn't have his brain engaged when he uttered to the crowd that 'things might have been better if Strom Thurman had one in 1948, Well the left took offense initially, but it was finally the wrongs who drove Lott from a high post in the Senate. If Trent Lott could have pointed to one single piece of legislation he authored, voted for, or even supported that would have benefited minorities in all his years in Congress, he might have been able to hang on. As it was, there was nothing there.
    The wrongs blamed the dems for Lotts downfall, but it was rush and hannity and all the others that kept bloviating about it. They are doing the same thing with Gov. Christy now.

    So that is how the republicans came to hate everything except tax breaks for the rich, and how the dems have worked so hard over the last 35-40 years earning the respect of other normal people who support affirmative action and opportunity for all.

    You'll also hear the wrongs bring up the KKK. Way back, even in the 60's , you didn't win unless the losers in the KKK supported you. Many, including Harry Truman joined because he had to. Robert Byrd is a similar example. If you went down south and attended a KKK rally, I bet they're not singing Obama's praises now. Well they never did. Or would.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 2:06 pm on Thu, Feb 20, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1385

    [beam]See!! here we are with the "black helocopters" and the intrigue and the mystery!!!

    Everythings a plot of some sort and only these special people can observe and report on them.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 2:04 pm on Thu, Feb 20, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1385

    yes I have looked at airplanes fly over many times as well so I can only imagine we have been "involved in aviation" for at least the same amount of time.

    I must profess, I'm not a "black helocopter" guy, but look below....someone see's 'em everywhere, so many in fact, they nearly collide with the strange unmarked passenger jets spewing their mind altering chemicals on all of us. Is this what happened to you?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:39 am on Thu, Feb 20, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Docktor wrote: "People take your side on issues all the time. Having minions is not necessarily a bad thing. Do they grovel at your feet? I don't believe so. The point is, as people side with you. People also side with me."

    That is just plain silly, Mr. Docktor. People don't "side with me," or "side with you," they express an opinion on one side of the issue or the other.

    The way you CONSTANTLY ATTACK ME, you would think you had the opinion that I run the show on these threads.

    Really sick and tired of your childishness, Mr. Docktor.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:31 am on Thu, Feb 20, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    That way goes the prurient minds of the conservative religious right. They seem to be curious about what goes on in everyone's bedrooms or whatever rooms they enjoy using, Mr. Adams.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:07 am on Thu, Feb 20, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Meanwhile the "exercises" involving "black helicopters" in many urban areas continue.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:56 am on Thu, Feb 20, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Dockter - both of your comments below make absolutely NO SENSE.

    I wonder why you find the need to continually address ONLY ME in this forum while NEVER challenging any other liberal leaning commenters.

    I can only guess that you feel certain of your ability to intimidate a woman and to make PERSONAL ATTACKS while not adding anything that either makes sense or adds to the conversation.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:09 am on Thu, Feb 20, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Mike Adams posted: "(which would not have turned out any other way, regardless of the amount of security that could have been added....the host country is to provide basic protections for the diplomats)"
    Really? I am wondering what expertise Mr. Adams possesses that qualifies him to make that statement.
    While it is true that host nations are charged with security of the Embassies in their country, Benghazi was NOT an Embassy. The Benghazi compound was not even an official Consulate. It was obvious that the Benghazi compound was not as secured as it should have been and was denied more security. This facility had been the subject of past attacks by jihadists and not only lacked adequate security, it also lacked the extra security afforded most U.S. facilities on the anniversary of
    9-11.
    I wonder what a "black heliocopter" looks like. I have been involved with aviation since I was a teenager and have never seen one. But, who am I to question one of the self proclaimed "bright people on the left"?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:35 am on Thu, Feb 20, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Ms. Bobbin is a she. [beam]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:32 am on Thu, Feb 20, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    I read, with many a chuckle, Ms. Bobbin's letter in which he pondered the question of “why ONLY the right (is) spending so much time, effort and money attacking the "Left". She elludes to the fact that the Obama Admin. has also been well-trained. And any trace of non-compliance with Obama's wishes is dealt with swift retribution.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 5:38 am on Thu, Feb 20, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Ms. Bobbin,

    You mentioned Clinton did not have inappropriate behaviour with Ms. Lewinsky in the Oval Office. Does it really matter which office it was in the White House?
    My point is. Since we don't have any photos of Clinton having his inappropriations. Questioning the integrity of Reagan because he chose not to wear a suit in the Oval Office as if one could compare it to what Clinton did in the White House with Lewinsky is quite the stretch.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 5:22 am on Thu, Feb 20, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Ms. Bobbin,

    Why do you believe there are only allegations and Conservative rhetoric about Liberals?
    This is a rhetorical question, of course.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 5:03 am on Thu, Feb 20, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Ms. Bobbin,

    People take your side on issues all the time. Having minions is not necessarily
    a bad thing. Do they grovel at your feet? I don't believe so. The point is, as people side with you. People also side with me. Now, why you are so sensitive to the fact that people take positions is a bit unusual.

    As far as " real problems plaguing this country", you have your blinders on again. you should call your Democrat representatives and find out why THEY are DOING NOTHING about these problems. As with the Republicans, Democrats ALSO are doing nothing to curb these problems.

    And as far as immigration? To even come close to concluding it is ONLY Republicans who will lose votes if they do something about it just goes to show how little you know about the consequences both parties face if they
    make too much headway too soon on immigration reform. It's a balancing act for both parties. I realize patience is not one of you virtues. But please try ot realize things don't happen overnight.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 4:34 pm on Wed, Feb 19, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1385

    [rolleyes]Obama and Leon Panetta don't have to cover-up anything. Obama will never run for anything again and Panetta doesn't seem interested. Maybe you should nudge on over to infowars.com to make your black helicopter assumptions.
    Maybe you didn't consider that killing a diplomat and his security team would attract attention.

    Well you just keep on trying to keep the dream alive of a massive cover-up in Ira... I mean Bengazi. For most of America, it's dead.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 2:59 pm on Wed, Feb 19, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 376

    Mike,
    I absolutely agree that Republicans are wrong to always throw up the racism of southern Democrats throughout history; that time is long gone and Democrats today are not racist like that. But, I don't understand what you mean by the Dems and Repubs having shifted poles in the early to mid-1960s? Republicans typically supported the civil rights movement, Eisenhower sent troops to desegregate Little Rock High (although he certainly didn't use his immense popularity to try and do more), and Nixon was a proponent of Affirmative Action, for example. In a prior thread, Ms Bobin also said something similar, and I just don't understand what is meant by that. Could you please explain it to me? I'd really appreciate it.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:03 am on Wed, Feb 19, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I'm curious, Mr. Kinderman. If you think that Bill Clinton did so much damage to this country during his two terms in office, just EXACTLY what do you think George Walker Bush did during his two terms?

    Made this country greater?

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:54 am on Wed, Feb 19, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1385

    Not going after Bill Clinton? Really? Other than the Bengazi thing (which would not have turned out any other way, regardless of the amount of security that could have been added....the host country is to provide basic protections for the diplomats) what have the wrongs to say about her? When will limbaugh call their daughter a "dog in the white house again?

    And I know your not prone to conspiracy theory Jerome, but if you check with the "black heliocopter" crowd, you'll see anything is possible. Especially now that G.H.W.B. is getting on. They think he's behind everything that has happened in the world since 11-22-63. He needs a replacement. More likely sooner than later.

    And the soft porn about M.L. in the WH?

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:38 am on Wed, Feb 19, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1385

    Curious how the wrongs desparately hang on to that little factoid as if it is the holy grail that absolves them of all blame for all the wrong they've done to this country SINCE THE DEMOCRATS AND republicans SHIFTED POLES in the early to mid-60s. Bright educated people know this.

    And I am not screaming "racism". Wrongs just need to look at their history since the late 60's and their "law and order" policies. They won't do it, but they should.

    Nice model of an airplane by the way. What is that a King Air? Don't you wish you had the real thing?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 1:50 pm on Tue, Feb 18, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Killary WAS responsible for not providing more protection for the Benghazi compound. More protection was requested and denied. Even the British pulled out because they knew the danger of staying there was not worth the risk. Obama didn't want anyone to know the TRUE activities in Benghazi (smuggling weapons to Syrian rebels, some being Al Quaida), knowing that more military enforcment or protection there would draw attention the operation. Killary, Obama AND Panetta are all lying and scrambling to cover their behinds. This is far from beinig over.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:30 pm on Tue, Feb 18, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2353

    I don’t believe anyone is going after former President William Jefferson Clinton because they think he might become president again. Clearly he’s done enough damage for two terms - thankfully the Constitution keeps him from inflicting any more. But since his wife Hillary has her sights on the Oval Office, there is ample room for concern knowing that Bill will once again be roaming the White House and might very well hold some sway over his wife as she performs her duties - “if” she actually wins in 2016. Both are legitimate reasons to be very concerned - VERY concerned.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 10:19 am on Tue, Feb 18, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    Right, just as the moon "landing" is...

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 10:18 am on Tue, Feb 18, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    I really don't care what you believe about me, especially as it pertains to a hypothetical event that would have occurred 18 years ago.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 10:16 am on Tue, Feb 18, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    I don't fault someone for their faults. But if one is struggling with their own particular demons, they do not get to disparage others for those same struggles. People in glass houses...

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 10:14 am on Tue, Feb 18, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    Just calling out the obvious hypocrisy.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 10:14 am on Tue, Feb 18, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 376

    Just what I teach on a daily basis, "Ms" Bobin...perhaps you should've paid more attention in high school?

    And your point was "how astounding, societal and politically earth shaking of all time" the Proclamation was, which it was not. That was simply what I was saying. I know you heard the Emancipation being used as an example to counter the conservative argument against Obama's executive orders from Nancy Pelosi or read it in the Washington Post, and while I cannot correct them, I can set the truth straight on this forum. If you want to give examples of really significant orders to counter the Obama argument, I think better examples would be some of FDR's orders during the New Deal, or perhaps Truman desegregating the military. But, those wouldn't serve your partisan purpose, would they, because they are both Democrats and you just had to find an example from a Republican president instead.

    "Who cares what it actually accomplished," you now say. How easily you can twist around your points when you feel caught instead of just admitting your mistakes. And, now, your tune is, "Most EO's are pretty meaningless and inconsequential" since the Lincoln one didn't work out so well for you. And, the other liberal papers have backtracked on it as well.

    Personally, I think that's the better track to take with all this. I don't think there's an "Executive Ordergate" with President Obama any more than you do. I think HISTORY rather than partisan politics can bear that out and prove that; we've had an Imperial presidency since the 20th century--long before Obama. We actually agree, "Ms" Bobin. I just wish we could have a civil discussion instead of such petty animousity on your part.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:33 am on Tue, Feb 18, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    So now we're judging the president's integrity by whether or not he wears a "jacket" in the oval office?

    Google "photos of Ronald Reagan in the Oval Office." Nice photo of Ronnie in a bright red short sleeve shirt sitting at his desk in...where? The Oval Office!

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 9:22 am on Tue, Feb 18, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 376

    I just might, Ted. [smile]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:27 pm on Mon, Feb 17, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Bobbin posted: "You know that being so angry all the time is bad for your health, right, Baxxter?" Thanks for the laugh. I just had my annual physical. Unfortunately, for the liberals, I am extremely healthy and plan to stick around for quite some time to stroke their fur backwards. Angry? A bit of projection on your part, Joanne?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:19 pm on Mon, Feb 17, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I have minions, Mr. Dockter? Who are they? Why are they not groveling at my feet as minions are wont to do?

    If you had actually read my letter, you would discover that the topic was OTHER than Bridgegate - it was the potential misappropriation of FEDERAL FUNDS.

    As for "the real problems plaguing this country," you should call your Republican representatives and find out why THEY are DOING NOTHING about these problems.

    The Republicans are postponing every single issue that they should be working on because they are afraid that their "base" won't VOTE FOR THEM this year and they won't be able to retake the Senate.

    Immigration? NOPE! Can't do a thing because they will lose votes. Can't even secure the border because they will lose votes.

    Worthless bunch of losers are your Republicans, Mr. Dockter.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:17 pm on Mon, Feb 17, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Jeff,

    Frankly I don't believe you would have opposed Clinton campaigning on family values in his run for the Presidency.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:15 pm on Mon, Feb 17, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Jeff,

    So you are saying someone who is struggling with their personal life but is making headway couldn't possibly be an advoacte for family values? You realize your position is much like saying a recovering alcoholic that still may digress on rare occasions cannot be an advocate for AA?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:08 pm on Mon, Feb 17, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    That's ok Ms. Bobbin. it's typical of you to not want to broaden the discussion when you're at such a disadvantage, which is almost all of the time.

    Does it really matter which office he was in? I figured you would get my point Clinton shouldn't have been working and in the public eye when he was having his fun with Monica. One of these days you MAY actually acknowledge Democrats can be just as bad as Republicans. And visa versa. I'm not going to hold my breath, though. Until then, we'll just have to deal with the fact you don't believe Democrats have anything they need to apologize for.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:45 pm on Mon, Feb 17, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1385

    Noting the obvious weak field of potential presidential candidates, the wrongs have started attacking Bill Clinton again. Read the Constitution: he's been elected twice. He can't be elected again. This issue will certainly be a stout plank in their platform during their run for certain defeat in '16. Other than that, there's only the Bengazi, Libya attack. According to the cons, Hilary should have dropped most of the 101st Airborne division into the middle of the fracas. Hey check this out: Hilary was the Secretary of State. She commanded no military units what so ever. Check out the Secretary of Defense.

    I will wait patiently for all you conspiracy theorists to rebut with the special knowledge only conspiracy theorists have access to.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 5:20 pm on Mon, Feb 17, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2353

    Well here’s the thing about the Monica Lewinsky “affair.” Considering that William Jefferson Clinton lied over and over again about many aspects of this situation, most reasonable thinking person would reserve a certain amount of doubt as to whether or not some of his dalliances were actually held in the Oval Office. Of course he admitted to committing these non-sexual acts in an office just a few feet away from the space that Ronald Reagan would never enter without his suit jacket on simply out of respect for the office he held and where he conducted business - so does it really matter (Hillary probably didn’t think so, but then again there are other things that didn’t rate very high during her stint as Secretary of State)? Since it was “just about sex” (and nothing else - yeah right!), I truly doubt that Clinton restricted his movements to just one room. Or are we truly expected to believe that his stash of cigars weren’t in a very special and possibly even secret drawer of his desk in the Oval Office.

    And let’s not forget that his wife and daughter were certainly not at home during Ms. Lewinsky’s visits; who’s to say she didn’t have a say as to where she would bend her knees reverently for the lustful CINC.

    Still, I can just imagine how excited Bill must be thinking that in just a few short years he just might be back on the playground at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Oh boy, I can hardly wait myself!

     
  • Ted Lauchland posted at 3:28 pm on Mon, Feb 17, 2014.

    Ted Lauchland Posts: 254

    Personally , I vote on general policy and the character of the candidate. The rest is all bunk. If a person has been on this earth long enough he has experienced just about everything. What that looks like to someone else doesn't matter to me. It can look like anything you want it to which is "politics" in most emotional peoples minds anymore.

    If I decided to run for " El Presidente " tomorrow would you vote for me ?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:18 pm on Mon, Feb 17, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    "Simon: you are pathetic". Now, I ask you, is that any way for "one of the bright people" on the left to behave? Tsk, tsk.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:00 pm on Mon, Feb 17, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Leave it to the liberals to attempt to glaze over someone's transgressions by whining someone else is did it too. Sounds like a grammar school tactic.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 1:49 pm on Mon, Feb 17, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Excellent, when the left are unable to defend Obama, they scream RACISM.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 1:36 pm on Mon, Feb 17, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Adams, do you not know it was the DEMOCRATS that started the KKK?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:22 pm on Mon, Feb 17, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Who is misunderstanding what, "Ms. Welch?"

    The bottom line is that the Emancipation Proclamation was an executive order. That is the point I was making. Who cares what it actually accomplished. It was symbolic - but thanks for all that research you had to do.

    So Obama made several EO's at the beginning of 2013 with regard to gun control and all the gun nuts were up in arms about them and raced around buying more weapons and ammunition for their arsenals, but the EO's had nothing to do with Obama actually changing any gun control laws.

    So when Mr. Kinderman starts making noise about his so-called "Executive Ordergate," it is a waste of time. Most EO's are pretty meaninless and inconsequential.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:13 pm on Mon, Feb 17, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [thumbup]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:13 pm on Mon, Feb 17, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Apparently, you don't read my comments thoroughly in your rush to refute them - which tends to make me believe that it's not what I say that makes you upset, it's just that I say anything at all.

    You know that being so angry all the time is bad for your health, right, Baxxter?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:04 pm on Mon, Feb 17, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [thumbup]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:01 pm on Mon, Feb 17, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Read what I wrote again. Had nothing to do with or even the suggestion of race baiting.

    My comment had to do with complaints from Baxxter and Mr. Kinderman about whether news stories about Nagin mentioned his party affiliation.

    Duh! You most likely would not have many comments to make if you actually understood the information in the comments that you reply to. Really annoying.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:57 pm on Mon, Feb 17, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    That wasn't the discussion.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:56 pm on Mon, Feb 17, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Clinton wasn't in the Oval Office.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 2:22 pm on Sun, Feb 16, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Apparently Mr. Lucas is not aware or is unwilling to acknowledge Republicans hold other Repuiblicans feet to the fire too. I have to be careful.
    Mr. Lucas may counter this by saying there is no reason for Democrats to hold other Democrats feet to the fire. [beam]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 1:45 pm on Sun, Feb 16, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    I don't know if that's the only reasons why Newt is not President. But I feel comfortable concluding he would not be boinking them in the Oval Ofice. There are bedrooms for this activity in the Whitehouse. Hopefully, neither would happen. Clinton may have gone unnoticed or not much of an issue if he had retreated to a bedroom.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 1:36 pm on Sun, Feb 16, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Ms. Bobbin stated:

    After all the nonsense, the best the Republicans could do with Bill Clinton was try to impeach him for lying about Monica Lewinsky - and all the while, in step with ususal right wing behavior, Newt Gingrinch was boinking his second mistress and future third wife. What a joke.

    -See what I mean folks.

    If she were to actually dig a little deeper than what the headlines said, she would find it was just as many if not more Democrats who wanted to boot Clinton's A$$ out of the Whitehouse because even they thought he was a disgrace to the "Office of the Presidency".

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 1:29 pm on Sun, Feb 16, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Bobbin stated:

    Either way, I'm amazed that the only ones who even mentioned this were conservatives/Republicans who seem to be especially mindful of the issue and perhaps a little too paranoid about it.

    -Chuckle:

    There ya go again, Ms. Bobbin. The very suggestion you make that conservatives/Republicans are most notewothy of race bating just goes to show how out of touch and naive you are of what goes on within your political leanings.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 1:20 pm on Sun, Feb 16, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    This is yet another attempt by Ms. Bobbin and her minions to distract us from the real problems plaguing this country BECAUSE of out incompetent President. I'm not saying Christie isn't incompetent. But, on the list of boondoggles of our politicians, "Bridgegate" ranks way down on the list. Even the Liberal Media knows it's becoming more of a non-issue as time goes on. Unlike Bobbin and her minions, they are starting to focus on other possible candidates for President Like Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio. Not unlike the possible Democratic candidates for President, there's plenty things to write on. But not according to Bobbin and her minions. They can assure us we should ONLY have to keep the Republcan hopefulls at arms length.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 7:12 pm on Sat, Feb 15, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 376

    Again with the misunderstanding of the Emancipation Proclamation, Ms Bobin? As I said before, this executive order was simply a tactic of war given by the Commander in Chief in the midst of the Civil War. It was done to give a moral tone to the conflict, and to change the "character of the war into one of subjugation" as Lincoln said. It on ly "freed" the slaves in the South, and not even in the crucial Border States that were still part of the union (again, a war tactic.) It won't be until the 13th Amendment that slavery is ended in the U.S. for good. Historians say the Emancipation Proclamation was stronger on proclamation than emancipation.
    "Most astounding, societal and politically earth shaking executive orders of all time?" Hardly.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 7:09 pm on Sat, Feb 15, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1385

    Simon: you are pathetic.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:02 pm on Sat, Feb 15, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    I forgot to throw in Obama's pal, Van Jones, the "Green" czar that resigned in disgrace when it became common knowledge he was a member of the Communist party.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:53 pm on Sat, Feb 15, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Bobbin, you mean Frank Marshall Davis, Bill Ayers weren't really communist? Oh my, they must have all lied about their party affiliation. Even Barack's own mother espoused communist ideology and her leftt parents sent Barack to a communist run high school in Hawaii.
    You remember Bill Ayers, the American terrorist who co-founded the Weather Underground that bombed the U.S. Capitol, the Pentagon and the U.S Department of State building, among other terrist acts. Obama himself acknowledges affiliation.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:34 pm on Sat, Feb 15, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Bobbin, the different is, I use those pet names for liberals, en masse, not on a personal name basis. However, if you want to identify with one of my pet names for liberals, please feel free to do so. I feel honored by your name "Right Wing Nut", it means I am getting under your skin.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:17 pm on Sat, Feb 15, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    I, UNLIKE YOU, think justice shoulld be delivered when the VERDICT is GUILTY, not because liberal hacks wish it so. When have YOU ever mentioned a DEMOCRAT at the same time you are bashing a REPUBLICAN? Hmmmm? Or is it just us Republicans that are obligated to offer up a conservative at the same time as we mentioned one of the liberal losers?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 1:56 pm on Sat, Feb 15, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Ahhh, Mike, don't go away mad. Everything will be OK, you'll see.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 1:54 pm on Sat, Feb 15, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1385

    "Bobb8in"....I guess that gets away OK as well.....

    Joanne: Let's stop tip-toeing (and this is not an euphemism for being gay) around the real reason the wrong (instead of "right") doesn't like Obama: He is a black man who had the nerve to run for, and be elected President. And while some conservatives (such as Jerome who is fairly mainstream and decent), probably don't feel this way, I think the majority has this deep in the back of their mind and strip away all the "hogwash" in-between, he's alternately a socialist or a communist, a citizen of some country other than the US (and give credit to the side show for entertainment only limbaugh and hannity who know that is all BS). He had the nerve to explore other forms of government (in college no less, can you imagine?). He genuinely wants Americans to be better (unlike his wrong critics who would love to kick more people off of unemployment and out of theirs houses).

    The wrongs are just a sorry group, so angry, another even angrier group, the tea party, had to be formed so that the really enraged, uneducated conservatives could have a voice. Think KKK in the south.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 1:21 pm on Sat, Feb 15, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    NWO? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 1:18 pm on Sat, Feb 15, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    Okay. Do you think he is our legitimate President?

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 1:15 pm on Sat, Feb 15, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    No, he was the face of the GOP who campaigned on "family values" and chided Clinton and others for failing to uphold those values, even inimating that those who don't shouldn't be positions of leadership, while schtuping his mistress.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:58 am on Sat, Feb 15, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Liberals, such as yourself, WISH Benghazi was a done deal. Not so.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:40 am on Sat, Feb 15, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Tillett, oh brother, talk about “conspiracy theories”. Do you actually think only Bush and Cheney had access to all of the intelligence on Iraq? Remember now, the Obama “hide all the evidence” program was years away from actually being practiced. Why don’t you tell us the lies the liberals were fed so they would vote to invade Iraq. VERIFIABLE lies like “you can keep your current healthcare plan”, not liberal propaganda.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 10:48 am on Sat, Feb 15, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    MEDIA MATTES? Tillett, Media Matters is the most LIBERAL PROPAGANDA machine that is funded by George Soros, et al. to pread the NWO agenda. Now I understand where you are coming from.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:48 am on Sat, Feb 15, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Oddballs? That is being kind, Baxxter.

    YOU would have called any liberal a "HACK," "a liberal lemming," "a liberal stooge," and so on from that dictionary of intelligent phrases that you reference frequently.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:43 am on Sat, Feb 15, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    No, Baxxter.

    I clearly stated in my comment that Nagin should get what he deserves.

    I, unlike YOU, think justice should be delivered when the evidence shows clearly that wrongdoing has occurred.

    The only reason I mention the transvaginal governor was because YOU had pointed out Nagin - why didn't you mention BOTH?

    YOU apparently think that Republicans should SKATE.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:41 am on Sat, Feb 15, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Perhaps the media is leaning toward the trend NOT to mention someone's COLOR by not mentioning their political affiliation either.

    Or maybe many INFORMED people already knew that Nagin was a Democrat, especially in New Orleans and Louisiana.

    Either way, I'm amazed that the only ones who even mentioned this were conservatives/Republicans who seem to be especially mindful of the issue and perhaps a little too paranoid about it.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:21 am on Sat, Feb 15, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Bpbbin, I don't recall, was Newt Gingrich President of the United States? Was NewtGngrich indicted for lying under oath? Please refresh my memory.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:11 pm on Fri, Feb 14, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1385

    My subscription renewal arrived recently. I haven't taken any action on it. Tell me, Simon (or Rich), why should I renew it?
    Why should I renew a subscription to my hometown newspaper that allows what may be outsiders (who may not even subscribe at all) to continually attempt to bully the more moderate members of either side of the political spectrum? Let's leave the sofa king idiotic conspiracy theorist out of it for right now. Is this the type of board you intended? How does the constant raving of a couple of people effect others who might participate but don't, knowing you give a free pass and anything goes attitude to a couple of zealots who seek to brow beat others into submission with no sanction what so ever?

    Would you yourself (or the guy from the Record) participate?

    Would you move into a neighborhood where a couple of people let their dogs bark all night?

    Why should I, who directly or indirectly has subscribed to the LNS for 70+ years, renew a service that allows this type of behavior? Many years ago now, KCRA had the bright idea of running the rush limbaugh television show @ 0500. Now I can't stand rush limbaugh and I certainly don't want to see or hear him while I'm eating my oatmeal. I didn't call the station to complain. I just watched something else. After sometime, KCRA dumped the limbaugh spectacle and I came back. I could as easily simply drop my subscription to the LNS, and maybe one day (when you've realized your error) I might come back. The thing is, television is opening up more and more opportunities for me to spend my time on and it will only grow. Print news organizations do not have that luxury. If anything, the print media is shrinking. Maybe disappearing. Ever compare a "Time" magazine from the '80s to one from today? A lot skinnier now. At some point, you won't be able to buy Time magazine at the store. Is this the route LNS is taking? I hope not. I prefer to read my news from a piece of paper, not a computer screen.

    So why should I renew?

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 3:24 pm on Fri, Feb 14, 2014.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    "We're pathetic"

    Totally!!

    [smile]

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 11:17 am on Fri, Feb 14, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/02/13/foxs-new-benghazi-claim-contradicted-by-biparti/198053

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/02/12/fox-host-finally-accepts-the-truth-about-bengha/198030

    Fox is the only one still pushing this, and even they are finally starting to stop.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 10:46 am on Fri, Feb 14, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Should be censor CONSERVATIVES too.......

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 10:42 am on Fri, Feb 14, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    So, the bank robber called the cops and complained someone stole his loot. Hilarious.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 10:37 am on Fri, Feb 14, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Eric, I answered your inquiry about the "ballet box joke", apparently the moderator decided not to post it. See, they censor liberals too.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 10:36 am on Fri, Feb 14, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Oh, the hypocrisy, Mr. Adams complaining about "personal attacks" then calls me, Liebich and Darrell Baumbach "oddballs". Please, Mike, my stomach is already sore from laughing at your previous posts.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:31 am on Fri, Feb 14, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2353

    Fox News, an outlet typically accused as being pro-conservative waited until the 7th paragraph to link Nagin to the Democrat Party. (See, http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/02/12/after-1-day-delay-jury-in-case-ex-new-orleans-mayor-ray-nagin-resumes/)

    Of course this all begs the question: just how important is it for a newspaper to put anyone's political affiliation at the top of any article. In my opinion it really doesn't matter. With the ability to find this information on our own quite easily, I suppose it comes down to the appearance of impropriety. Say what you like about Fox, they're as balanced and fair as any news outlet can possibly be - while the majority of the rest don't even try.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:24 am on Fri, Feb 14, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2353

    Here are some examples of newspapers seemingly unconcerned about the political leanings of Former NO Mayor Ray Nagin. While most make no mention that he's a Democrat, others have that little tidbit buried well into the article:

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/12/justice/louisiana-nagin-convicted/
    http://theadvocate.com/home/8359935-125/former-mayor-ray-nagin-found
    http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2014/02/post_370.html (Buried deep)
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/ray-nagin
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/13/us/nagin-corruption-verdict.html?_r=0 (Buried deep)
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/former-new-orleans-mayor-ray-nagin-guilty-corruption-n28666 (Buried in 4th paragraph)

    On the other hand, Republicans usually have that information glaring in the headline.

    Look, there's no doubt that the majority of today's newspapers lean toward the left. To suggest otherwise is simply disingenuous.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 10:22 am on Fri, Feb 14, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Bobb8in, if you really want to swap stories about Democrat knuckleheads vs. Republican knuckleheads, we can fill these threads forever. Just can't stand it when a Democrat goes sour, can you.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:56 am on Fri, Feb 14, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Baxxter wrote: "What is it with the liberal mind that allows them to totally ignore tons of negative FACTS about our pretend president’s personal history and actions yet eagerly believe allegations and liberal rhetoric about conservatives?

    The pre-emptive strikes on conservative Republican that could be a threat to liberals getting elected are obvious. Get back to us Bobbin when you have FACTS, not just liberal drivel."

    "Our pretend president's personal history?" What is that, Baxxter? "Pretend?" So are you a birther still? No doubt.

    "Personal history?" What would that be? That he really isn't half black and half white? That he was born in Kenya? That he's not really an American citizen? Any amount of right wing nonsense could be implied in your statement.

    And yes, I will get back to you when Christie is either implicated in federal crimes or exonerated. After the FACTS are revealed, which are bound to be very interesting.

    After all the nonsense, the best the Republicans could do with Bill Clinton was try to impeach him for lying about Monica Lewinsky - and all the while, in step with ususal right wing behavior, Newt Gingrinch was boinking his second mistress and future third wife. What a joke.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:46 am on Fri, Feb 14, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Spiral toward socialism and bankruptcy."

    These have been the catch-phrases for the past 5 years.

    When, exactly, is this going to happen?

    Hope you are enjoying your Medicare and SS benefits, Baxxter.

    Or do you propose to give them up in the name of patriotism and allegiance to the Constitution?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:40 am on Fri, Feb 14, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Past association with communists and radicals," Baxxter?

    What, are you Joe McCarthy Baxxter now? And you will most likely find all of these "past associations," as you call them, quite overblown if you actually knew anything about the topic.

    Now you sound like the TEA Party lady who kept trying to link Obama with Alinsky as if they were pals. What a joke when the right wingers try to link Obama with all of these so-called "radicals and evil doers." Always fall flat and ends up to be quite embarrassing for them.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:34 am on Fri, Feb 14, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Baxxter wrote: "Eric, why don''t you give us some POSITIVE items that the progressives have mustered up to send you to the ballot (although ballet is more fitting) box and vote them in office."

    ERIC: I know you were trying to ignore this, but it was just another example of Baxxter getting away with murder here with a sideways insinuation that you are "gay," thus the "ballet" comment.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:30 am on Fri, Feb 14, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Wonder if you have ever read what most "executive orders" concern, Mr. Kinderman? Bush had 291 executive orders by the end of his 8 years.

    Obama currently has 167. But of course Bush didn't have the obstruction in Congress that Obama is facing. Executive Ordergate, indeed?

    And of course, let's considered one of the most astounding, societal and politically earth shaking executive orders of all time:

    The Emancipation Proclamation

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 8:40 am on Fri, Feb 14, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    It was front page on Huffington Post, and Rachel Maddow had a story on Nagin, Tony Mack (D), and John Rowland (R).

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:23 am on Fri, Feb 14, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1518

    5+ years in and we still seem to be neither but keep wishing Joe

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 7:30 am on Fri, Feb 14, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    Only to you and Fox News and the interminable echo chamber on the right. For everyone else, it was investigated, there were hearings, people testified, and the incident is closed and finished. But please, don't let Tuesday's FACTS interrupt your beliefs from Monday to Wednesday.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 7:24 am on Fri, Feb 14, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    Yes, after they were shown faulty intelligence (read: lied to, like the rest of us)

     
  • Simon Birch posted at 7:06 am on Fri, Feb 14, 2014.

    Simon Birch - Online Manager Posts: 159 Staff

    Rich Hanner is the editor of the Lodi News-Sentinel, and has been for the last 16 years. Thanks for replying to my question.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:49 pm on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Baxxter wrote: "Bobbin, I have one word, MIRROR."

    This is your typical answer, but to date YOU haven't been able to give examples where I have SAID what YOU claimed I said under your so-called "MIRROR" accusation.

    Baxxter: Please quote ANYTHING in which I referred to conservatives on these threads as "hacks," "whackos," "nut jobs," "numbskulls," "conservative stooges," "conservative lemmings," "lying bullying hacks," (AND THOSE ARE JUST THE ONES ON THIS THREAD).

    I'll be waiting for your answers and MY quotes, just as YOU have demanded answers from Mr. Lucas and Mr. Barrow.

    TICK TOCK, Baxxter.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:39 pm on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Baxxter wrote: "Yet the Mayor New Orleans gets convicted on multiple counts of fraud and not one mention by the liberal media that he is a DEMOCRAT. Good luck finding much press about this guy, they are liberals are scrambling to keep it quiet."

    Wrong, Baxxter. I just listened yesterday to a full 1/2 hour story on NPR about the Nagin case. They said he was a Democrat. They fully outlined the 21 counts that he was convicted on. The man knew he was guilty. And yes, he deserves what he'll be getting.

    Here from the Washington Post: (I guess you missed it along with about 15 other stories from "liberal media.")

    "Former New Orleans mayor C. Ray Nagin — who became the face of a desperate, drowning city during Hurricane Katrina — was convicted Wednesday on charges of accepting bribes from city contractors while in office.

    Nagin, a Democrat, was found guilty by a federal jury on 20 of 21 criminal counts, including bribery, conspiracy and wire fraud. He was acquitted on one count of bribery."

    SEE? - "A DEMOCRAT." Nice try with your silly fabrication, though.

    NOW, why haven't any CONSERVATIVES mentioned the charges against former Virginia governor Bob "Transvaginal Ultrasound" McDonnell) involving illegal contributions and spending sprees paid for by a supporter?

    "McDonnell and his wife, Maureen, were indicted Jan. 21 on charges that they violated federal corruption laws by using their positions to benefit Jonnie Williams, then-CEO of Star Scientific, who showered them with more than $160,000 in gifts and loans."

    EVEN HIS WIFE - who wrote an email PLEADING for money to pay for her inaugural wardrobe because "they were flat broke."

    McDonnell, of course, despite overwhelming evidence, is pleading "not guilty."

    Why haven't we heard about this stellar member of the Republican Party?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:18 pm on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    SENSOR? This from a teacher that is one of the "bright people on the left"?
    I think what Mr. Adams is asking LNS to do is squelch opposing opinions to the liberals that hate that sort of stuff. Good luck with that, teecher (sic).

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 5:11 pm on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2353

    And here's the first thing we should consider as "Executive Order Gate" unfolds as it should: ""I taught constitutional law for 10 years. I take the Constitution very seriously. The biggest problem that we're facing right now is George Bush trying to bring more and more power to the executive branch and not go through Congress at all. And that is what I intend to reverse when I am president of the United States of America." Barack Hussein Obama - Candidate for President of the United States of America in 2008.

    Now, was he lying or telling the truth?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:00 pm on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Tillett, as I recall there were plenty of liberal DEMOCRATS that were on board for going into Iraq, Killary was one of the biggest supporters of that decision.
    Please, let me refresh your memory.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwWA2ehTOrk

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:55 pm on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Lucas, want to tell me what "nefarious deeds" I accused Obama of doing.]
    Still waiting for your list of Christie's lies.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:51 pm on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Obama will still be president and America will continue to spiral downward toward socialism and bankruptcy.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:49 pm on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Tillett, the Benghazi scandal is an ongoing investigation. To infer that it is a "thing of the past" and inconsequential is patenly false. You think you have heard the last of the Benghazi findings? Think again.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:45 pm on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Tillett, when did I say Obama comitted a "crime"? There are lots of people, even some Democrats, that believe Obama has broken some Federal laws. Ask me if i believe if he is guilty or innocent after he is actually indicted. Trying to badger me into answer your absurd questions just isn't going to work.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:26 pm on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    HUH?

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 2:25 pm on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1518

    Talk about not being able to answerer a question ol Joe likes to ask lots of questions but gets a little squeamish if he has to answer one

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 2:20 pm on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1518

    Yes it's certain not one drop of reading comprehension.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 2:19 pm on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1518

    Speak for yourself.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 2:19 pm on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1518

    Do you have reading comprehension issues?

    One question I don't get the ballet box joke care to elaborate. I figure you might be able to explain your own statements since you don't seem able to articulate your understanding of current right wing conspiracy theories.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 1:51 pm on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Oh no, the LNS is "taking shots" at liberals? How about a few examples, Eric.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 1:50 pm on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Eric, 'MANY EXAMPLES"? Name a few.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 1:22 pm on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Eric, why don''t you give us some POSITIVE items that the progressives have mustered up to send you to the ballot (although ballet is more fitting) box and vote them in office. Think REAL hard, now.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 1:18 pm on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Haaa, Haaaa, just as I figured you still couldn't come up with anything. Thanks for the "no answer" answer. Typical liberal retort, long on rhetoric, short on FACTS.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 12:56 pm on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Mr. Kinderman, you are so correct. Can you imagine a Republican president getting away with the stunts Obama is pulling? Even having the past association with communists and radicals? Ever notice when a Republican politician gets negative press, they always put "REPUBLICAN" in front of their name and run the artticle for weeks. Yet the Mayor New Orleans gets convicted on multiple counts of fraud and not one mention by the liberal media that he is a DEMOCRAT. Good luck finding much press about this guy, they are liberals are scrambling to keep it quiet.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 12:25 pm on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    You tell me. What crime is Obama guilty of? Or even easier, what crime he is accused of? Or, what crime should he be accused of?

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:38 am on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1518

    Nice now the staff of the paper is taking shots at liberal posters I guess the question of the papers biases has been answered.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 11:28 am on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1518

    Oh Joe after so many examples given to you and youre flippant dismissal of every one generally accompanied by your quaint old fashion euphemism HOGWASH you do not now or every in the future deserve to have any of your questions answered. After months and months of your unwillingness to show any examples to support you closed minded attitudes and complete lack of debating skills you get nothing. Sorry you don't get to make demands. I will say what I told you earlier I for one am completely content to continue to realize a progressive agenda through the ballet box. I understand your frustration it seems conservatives have been sent to the woods and in being forced to dom so have gotten themselves completly lost.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:08 am on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Tillett, pretty inane question, guilty of what?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:06 am on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Bobbin, I have one word, MIRROR.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 11:00 am on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1385

    Simon says: "I simply asked a question. Your response is ... interesting."

    Let me say it in more clear language: Simon and whoever the editor is down there give oddballs like baxter and liebich a pass on anything and everything. That would be OK if you would just mean it, but instead you sensor us.

    Their (and those like them before (Darrell)) continued personal attacks and in liebich's case posting no personal opinion only massess of copy and pasted material from suspect sources has just about killed this whole venture. Decent folk won't put up with it any longer.

    Take a stand Simon. Get a stronger spine. You're slowly elilminating the LNS base here and when gone, we won' t be comming back which means fewer subscritions and pretty soon, now Tuesday paper either.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 10:19 am on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    mason day Posts: 447

    Joe Baxter was in a discussion with Jeff Tillet, tuesday@11:38 and Joe At 3:33 pm. Geez, people.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 9:59 am on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    *crickets*

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 9:57 am on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    Oh, so if there was something that could have been different that would not have lead to death, then who ever didn't do that something is responsible and should be... impeached? imprisoned? stoned to death? chastised?

    Well, if we hadn't gone into Iraq, 4000+ troops would not be dead, so Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al should be...

    The question is not "was there something else" or even "should something" have been done. It is was there anything illegal, irrational, or even (for political purposes) immoral or unethical done or not done. The answer to Benghazi is no. The FACTS say no. The Senate and House Investigating committees both say no.
    But, please, don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion. It seems as though, you believe on Wednesday exactly what you believed on Monday, regardless of what happens Tuesday.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 9:49 am on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    I, think, I, uh, asked a question...yep, yep I did. You usually do that when you don't know the answer.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:38 am on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Birch:

    Not sure which one...

    I realize many here do get carried away, but certain people are consistently insulting and make personal attacks and have nothing better to do than name call.

    I have appreciated in the past when you let me know I was going too far, although I do disagree with some of your "forbidden" words such as "ill-educated" or "ill-informed.".

    I hope your communications extend to other offenders, too.

     
  • Simon Birch posted at 8:03 am on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Simon Birch - Online Manager Posts: 159 Staff

    I simply asked a question. Your response is ... interesting.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:20 am on Thu, Feb 13, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Tillett, you apparently know it all, you tell me.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:12 pm on Wed, Feb 12, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    "Us bright people on the left"? That statemen speaks volumes about your personality. But I am not a bit surprised. Arrogance becomes you.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:09 pm on Wed, Feb 12, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Bobbin, the Fast & Furious was nothing compared to what Bush proposed. Only ne Border Patrol Agent? Wonder how you would feel if that was YOUR relative? If you don't think the Benghazi murders couldn't have been avoided, you are totally brainwashed by the lying liberals. YouTube video, my behind.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:54 pm on Wed, Feb 12, 2014.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [thumbup]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:52 pm on Wed, Feb 12, 2014.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    It is going to be fun when Christie goes down. Btw, when it happens Obama will still be President.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:49 pm on Wed, Feb 12, 2014.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    It seems you accuse Obama of all kind of nefarious deeds. Why this new way of thinking with Christie? I know it could never be because he is a Conservative Republican. Christie is going down.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:08 pm on Wed, Feb 12, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    John Lucas, still waiting for all the lies you claim Christie told. I rather suspect your response will turn out just like the one I got from Eric Barrow when I asked him to list al the "successful" liberal programs that he claimed existed, NOTHING.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 3:27 pm on Wed, Feb 12, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2353

    I really never thought evidence mattered that much when it came to liberal/progressive politicians and their minions. In spite of Bill Clinton's impeachment (yes I know, he wasn't convicted), but also his civil "convictions" and penalties thereto, he's now considered the most honored, revered and sought-after elder statesman in the Democrat Party. (Having one's license to practice law didn't much matter either.) And his wife is now being considered heir apparent as their choice for the White House. This in spite of who and what she has done and who and what she is. If the Republicans ever put forth anyone the likes of her they'd be LOLing out of both sides of their collective mouths - and I'd be joining them.

    Integrity is no longer a factor in our society - honesty, decency or any of those factors which defines our individual character simply doesn't matter at all. While Mrs. Obama might be proud of her country now, I'm not so much. We're so dumbed-down that comedians and comediennes will have no problem building punchlines on the backs of those who should be above reproach - not reprehensible. Yet here we are on the brink - and virtually no one from either side worthy of serving We the People either in Congress, the White House or on the Supreme Court. Political correctness is what guides us now - there are no absolutes any longer. We're pathetic.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:53 pm on Wed, Feb 12, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I'm so glad that Mr. Birch is on his toes and that the only thing he objected to was mentioning a name that someone misspoke.

    HOW ABOUT THESE QUOTES THAT WERE ALLOWED TO PASS THE "MODERATOR?"

    Just on this thread alone:

    Mr. Kindseth on 2/11 @ 8:44AM: "I think Joanne is right. She frequently comments that the Sentinel only prints letters [LTE's] from "nut jobs",the uninformed, whakkos and numbskulls......"

    Baxxter on 2/11 @ 5:46AM: "Get back to us Bobbin when you have FACTS, not just liberal DRIVEL."

    Baxxter on 2/11 @ 4:24PM: "You must be joking or just plain ignorant of FACTS. Liberals are so gullible."
    (I MUST ADD THAT MR. BIRCH SCOLDED A COMMENTER RECENTLY FOR CALLING SOMEONE "IGNORANT" AND DELETED HIS COMMENT)

    Baxxter on 2/11 @ 5:22PM: "yet nothing from the liberal stooges."

    Baxxter on 2/1 @ 3:44PM: "I hope none of you liberal hacks get called for jury duty." AND "Some other liberal stooge told you so."

    Baxxter on 2/12 @ 5:03PM: "Besides, I thought liberal lemmings loved lying bully hacks given their exaltation of Obama."

    Baxxter on 2/12 @ 10:15AM: "BEFORE I scream he is guilty or innocent, something liberals apparentlty can't grasp."

    I suppose all of this name calling is just standard fare for Baxxter and Kindseth that no one notices it anymore.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:36 pm on Wed, Feb 12, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    You, Baxxter, "like most rational people?" You must be kidding. And exactly where in my letter do I say that he is "guilty or innocent?" Go ahead and quote me.

    I said nothing more than the possibility that the Bridgegate "scandal" has opened a can of worms and that, as Mr. Tillett wrote earlier, the possibility of malfeasance on the part of Christie.

    The old "where there's smoke, there's fire" works here. As well as, "if the shoe fits..."

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:30 pm on Wed, Feb 12, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I think Mr. Adams is referring to Rich Hanner.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 11:54 am on Wed, Feb 12, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    Baxter, is Obama guilty or innocent?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 10:15 am on Wed, Feb 12, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Bobbin, I know you wish Christie was guilty and wlll suffer personal and political defeat but wishing it so doesn't make it so. If it did, Obama would be long gone. Like I said I, like most rational people, will wait to see how it plays out BEFORE I scream he is guilty or innocent, something liberals apparentlty can't grasp.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 10:09 am on Wed, Feb 12, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    The argument is if Christie is, in fact, guilty of anything, not whether or not he will serve out his term. Proof, Mr. Lucas. WHERE IS THE PROOF???????

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 10:06 am on Wed, Feb 12, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Lucas, "INTUITIVELY OBVIOUS" is a far cry from guilty, unless you are a liberal leveling accusations about conservatives. Like I said, I will wait for the truth to come out before I pass judgement, something liberals apparently can't grasp.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 9:38 am on Wed, Feb 12, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    Please state the FACTS we are ignorant of.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 9:37 am on Wed, Feb 12, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    What illegal activity did his Cabinet, specifically with an office adjacent to his, participate in?

     
  • Simon Birch posted at 9:12 am on Wed, Feb 12, 2014.

    Simon Birch - Online Manager Posts: 159 Staff

    Who is Jeff?

     
  • Brenda Johnson posted at 8:46 am on Wed, Feb 12, 2014.

    bjohnson156 Posts: 6

    [smile]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:50 am on Wed, Feb 12, 2014.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1385

    You really have to wonder where baxter gets his information about either conservatives or liberals. He always launches immediate counter attacts against those of us bright people on the left (with impunity from the likes of Simon and Jeff), yet dumbs down the conservative party line. Well the conservative party line is pretty dumb to begin with so that task is not difficult.

    "I have no idea if Christie is guilty of anything and neither does anyone postinig on this thread."
    And
    "I think I will wait for the evidence/trial before I decide his guilt or innocence."

    But baxter says earlier: "How much more proof do liberals need of the Obama involvment in programs that got people murdered, yet nothing from the liberal stooges, not even a "shame on him", "

    But he wants to wait until Christy goes to trial (who's even talking about a trial, let alone even arrest?).

    Typical con talk.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:46 am on Wed, Feb 12, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Baxxter wrote: "Even IF Christie is proven guilty, jail time? How much more proof do liberals need of the Obama involvment in programs that got people murdered, yet nothing from the liberal stooges, not even a "shame on him", yet they are cheering for Christie to do JAIL time if he is found guilty of ordering traffic cones on the GWBridge that slows traffic? The hypocrisy is pathetic."

    Murdered? Other than one border patrol agent, due to a program that the Bush Administration initiated. Or are you of the opinion that Obama personally killed him?

    And obviously you didn't read the whole letter, Baxxter. We're not talking about jail time for traffic cones. Jail time for manipulating FEDERAL EMERGENCY RELIEF FUNDS for political purposes AND for using the funds for projects other than storm related.

    Get it now? Doubtful - you'll keep arguing some other topic.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:45 am on Wed, Feb 12, 2014.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Joe at least you are consistent and an appreciative person. John's personal attack is right up your alley. It is good to see that you can see it well done and not even be a little jealous.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:16 pm on Tue, Feb 11, 2014.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Want to make a bet that christie will or will not serve out his term? He is history. I am glad you agree the Christie is a lying bullying hack.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:12 pm on Tue, Feb 11, 2014.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Our friend Joe Baxter is the perfect representative of todays "Conservative". When arguing any political issue he has three strategies.

    1. Person attack. Always making disparaging the character of his opponent
    2. As in the case of Christie he will always resort to "The democrat do it too" which has no bearing on the argument . He does this to distract attention to the argument at hand
    3. He dismisses the arguments at hand. In the case of Christie it is intuitively obvious to most casual observer that he has engaged in various types of shakedowns that are clearly illegal, the bridge, Hoboken, and Bellville just to name a few. The question is whether or not they can get enough evidence to prove it in court. The rats are sinking the ship and I believe he is going to join the former Democratic governor of Illinois and get free room and board for awhile.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:54 pm on Tue, Feb 11, 2014.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I an not "cheering" for jail time. I just want justice. I was making a opinion about on the the outcome of the bridge fiasco.. The Hoboken shakedown was far more serious even considering that the tie-up on the bridge and the resulting massive traffic jam in Fort Lee could have had life threatening effects. Another Political shakedown. The blood in the water. even Republicans are running away from him plus people who he has bullied in the past are coming out, I say again he will be lucky if he does not go to jail.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:22 pm on Tue, Feb 11, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Even IF Christie is proven guilty, jail time? How much more proof do liberals need of the Obama involvment in programs that got people murdered, yet nothing from the liberal stooges, not even a "shame on him", yet they are cheering for Christie to do JAIL time if he is found guilty of ordering traffic cones on the GWBridge that slows traffic? The hypocrisy is pathetic.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:25 pm on Tue, Feb 11, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    John, point well taken.[thumbup][thumbup]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:24 pm on Tue, Feb 11, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    "Theire is NO SCANDAL that the president, or his Cabinet had a hand in. That's most assuredly the funniest line in a post I have ever read. You must be joking or just plain ignorant of FACTS. Liberals are so gullible.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:44 pm on Tue, Feb 11, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    I hope none of you liberal hacks get called for jury duty. I am sure you will know if the person on trial is guilty, or not, BEFORE the trial even begins. Some other liberal stooge told you so.
    I have no idea if Christie is guilty of anything and neither does anyone postinig on this thread. Liberals just attack because he is a conservative Republican and a possible danger in the upcoming elections.
    I think I will wait for the evidence/trial before I decide his guilt or innocence.
    But, in the meantime, it is a much needed distraction to take the heat off of the Democratic scandals menacing the Obama adminisration. Funny how that happens.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:37 pm on Tue, Feb 11, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    THROW, not through

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:37 pm on Tue, Feb 11, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Gee, John, why don't you enlighten us about all of Christie's lies. Then i will gently remind you of all of Obama, Killary and Reid's lies and perhaps through a few other liberal's "mis-truths in for good measure.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 3:33 pm on Tue, Feb 11, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    You mean like Obama had "no knowledge" of what his cabinet members and immediiate admin. team were doing? Come on now Jeff, you can't have it both ways. If Christie was compiicit in any "scandal" as you say he was, then it follows you must feel the same way about OBAMA. You know who Obama is, eh? Our POTUS that flat denies knowing about anything.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:29 pm on Tue, Feb 11, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1518

    Great letter Joanne. How often have we heard Obama accused of learning his politics in corrupt Chicago and now they try to defend Chris in real life dirty New Jersey politics. The only thing a conservative can do now is cut their losses and kick Christie down the road. Boy liberals often get accused of being tricked by Obama but Christie takes the cake for pulling the wool over more than a few conservatives eyes.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:28 pm on Tue, Feb 11, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Kinderman wrote: "they’re pooh-poohed away because they really don’t matter (a phrase that I do hope sticks with soon-to-be presidential candidate Hillary Clinton during every second of her campaign."

    Doublful - NUMBER ONE - that is NOT what she said.

    "What difference does it make..." who was responsible? We need to figure out how to prevent it - WAS HER ACTUAL MESSAGE.

    To repeat what right-wingers THINK she said is just being ill-informed.

    Not a huge fan of Hillary's, but I think she will be the Demo candidate.

    Actually kinda liked Christie until now - he who "tracks" his friends and enemies and seemingly uses OUR taxpayer money to reward or punish. But the Clintons are reputed to do the same type of "tracking." The only thing that can be said is that they're not breaking any LAWS in doing so.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:45 pm on Tue, Feb 11, 2014.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [thumbup] All these so-called "scandals" allegedly involving the President and Mrs Clinton have been investigated ad nauseum by the house and other places. The right wing media has blown this stuff way out of proportion.Mistakes were made but there way nothing that there was any illegal or criminal intent by anyone. These things really only exist in our Conservative friends minds along with a bunch of other nonsense that has no relationship to reality, Christie is going to be impeached or resign from the Governorship and will be exceeding lucky if he does not go to jail. He is a poster child for what being a Conservative is all about.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 12:36 pm on Tue, Feb 11, 2014.

    Christina Welch Posts: 376

    I think it has become abundantly clear that there is one set of rules for all politicians--Democrats and Republicans--and another for everyone else. There are so many "gate" situations on both sides of the aisle, it isn't even funny! As for Christie, if the investigation shows he's behind all of this, I hope he will actually face the consequences for his actions unlike how many rich and powerful people are able to skirt around the law.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:01 pm on Tue, Feb 11, 2014.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [thumbup]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:59 am on Tue, Feb 11, 2014.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I amazed,as always, how Joanne can bring out the legion of our Conservative friends. I think it is related to the Obama visceral hatred. Different kind of prejudice but prejudice non the less.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:54 am on Tue, Feb 11, 2014.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You amaze me as always, Joe. You accuse Joanne of not having the facts yet you do not point out which facts. You just go into personal attack mode. Christie is toast because he is a lying, bullying Conservative hack who got breaking the law deliberately. You want to make a bet that he does not finish his term? As we speak the Republican party is running away from him. Even Morning Joe, another lying conservative hack, called him on his lies and said he should resign from being the head of the RGA. Christie is just a victim of his own Karma.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:44 am on Tue, Feb 11, 2014.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Very good letter Joanne and right on target. Christie will be lucky if only gets impeached and does not do some jail time. It will be because of his actions not because of some discredit program. Reading the comments from our Conservative friends makes me wonder what universe they live in because it is certainly not this reality

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 11:38 am on Tue, Feb 11, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 548

    The "scandals" "involving" "our President" do not stem from racism, they stem from nothing. As in their is no "scandal" in which the President, or his Cabinet, had a hand in. You can shout Benghazi & IRS as much as you want, but they did not include nefarious behavior or action, and they certainly did not involve the President directly.
    The same cannot be said for Gov. Christie. There is evidence, or FACTS as Mr. Baxter put it, that members of his Cabinet, his immediate admin. team with offices literally right next to his, had a direct and implicit role in more than one incident, each of which breath ethics and/or legality. People most likely will be going to jail. The only question is, will that include the Gov?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:14 am on Tue, Feb 11, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2353

    Should the situation with the now infamous bridge from New Jersey to New York be investigated? Absolutely. Anything that our politicians do to harm Americans even if it’s just a traffic jam at an inopportune time of time should be looked into.

    But with all of the so-called “gate” situations arising from our current administration that should most certainly be given equal time, they’re pooh-poohed away because they really don’t matter (a phrase that I do hope sticks with soon-to-be presidential candidate Hillary Clinton during every second of her campaign.

    But as far as I know, no one died as a result of Christie’s “bridgegate” affair; neither has our national security been breached. But with Hillary - that’s an entirely different matter. What has become abundantly clear is that there is one set of rules for liberals/progressives/Democrats and another for everyone else. Still, I can understand that due to all of that inclusiveness and caring that emanates from the Party of the Jack-A$$ that would force us to overlook such minor transgressions. I hope that’s enough sarcasm for one comment – frankly, I don’t think I can stand much more.

     
  • Kerry Suess posted at 10:28 am on Tue, Feb 11, 2014.

    The Knight Romer Posts: 12

    Thanks Joe for beating me to the punch. It is ridiculous that this investigation is so serious and the dozens of scandals involving our President somehow stem from racism or other nonsense. The double standard is so obvious.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:14 am on Tue, Feb 11, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1518

    What is it about conservatives core beliefs that allows them to go rabid over every rumor associated with President Obama and Secretary Clinton but pushes them to call for restraint when one of their own is accused. The hypocrisy is getting thick not just Joe's but also among the officials the right has chosen to be their leaders in Washington not to mention the conservative press. Does Christy's action make it easier for Clinton to get elected? You bet it does but if you want to complain give Christy a call, he made the bed if you want to take a nap with him go ahead

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 8:44 am on Tue, Feb 11, 2014.

    John Kindseth Posts: 243

    I think Joanne is right. She frequently comments that the Sentinel only prints letters [LTE's] from "nut jobs",the uninformed, whakkos and numbskulls......

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:46 am on Tue, Feb 11, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    What is it with the liberal mind that allows them to totally ignore tons of negative FACTS about our pretend president’s personal history and actions yet eagerly believe allegations and liberal rhetoric about conservatives? The pre-emptive strikes on conservative Republican that could be a threat to liberals getting elected are obvious. Get back to us Bobbin when you have FACTS, not just liberal drivel.

     

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