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Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:16 am, Thu Mar 15, 2012.

I am distressed and concerned with the lack of respect so many display who claim allegiance to the Republican Party.

Rush Limbaugh and those of you who support him and his out-of-touch ideas and comments need to think about what your reaction would be to your own children and grandchildren being called names in the national media, as was Georgetown University law student Sandra Fluke. Would you stand for it? No, I don't think you would. I am sure you would speak out against anyone maligning one of your family members.

I suggest that all Republicans take notice of the Twitter comments posted by your own California Republican Party spokeswoman, Jennifer Kerns. A woman in her position should be supporting other women, regarding this issue: nelsnewday.wordpress.com/tag/jennifer-kerns.

I also suggest that you read the Twitter comments made by TV personality Patricia Heaton, and boycott any TV show, including the advertising sponsors, on which she is a cast member. Ms. Heaton insulted Sandra Fluke further with insensitive and inappropriate remarks, and those statements can be found by using Google to search Ms. Heaton's name.

We should all be taking a stand against this kind of intolerant rhetoric, because it is insulting to women in all families.

Finally, I am appalled that not one of your "presidential" candidates took strong issue with Mr. Limbaugh's remarks.

Terrie Hedden

Lodi

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104 comments:

  • Patrick W Maple posted at 8:05 pm on Sat, Mar 24, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    I started with this: Msh: “I am appalled that not one of YOUR "presidential" candidates took strong issue with Mr. Limbaugh's remarks.” Slip of the tongue mam???

    And will finish with this: I am still looking for the respect in the Democratic party...maybe you could help me find it?

    When you make an accusation...don't try to hide behind civility while throwing rock candy...and remember there are 500 sides to every story.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 10:51 am on Thu, Mar 22, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1405

    This reminds me of a seal at Marine World getting a fish because he balanced a ball on his nose! "hhaarruugghh" "hhaarruugghh"

    Watch out!! They spit water at you!!!

    HHaarruugghh! hhaarruugghh!

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:23 am on Wed, Mar 21, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1405

    Darrell: I have not seen the movie "Fast and Furious". Weasel apparently has seen it enough times to be able to discern between the fictional movie and a poorly planned and executed program to track smugglers. So he must be very familiar with both, and I am at a disticnt disadvantage. He also suggested I drink aspartane laced drinks. I'm not sure but I would guess this chemical is not a component of coffee, milk, or water which are my beverages of choice. I would be inclined weasel must drink aspartane laced beverages because he has time to read the ingredients

    As to the weasel's supposed intellect, I took the opportunity to run several of Daniels statements on google and not one appeared anywhere else. Instead of being bright and articulate, both attributes weasel claims to be, most of his posts of substance are merely copied from some other site(s) on the internet. He copied and pasted a letter to the editor, passing it off as his own. So Daniel is true, weasel is nothing more than some sort of board for the thoughts of others.

    Left to his own aspartane addled brain, he posts things like: "Well said. Please allow me to clarify. Moron Mike said, "I have never seen "Fast and Furious" the movie, nor have I read up on the "fast and furious" you might be referring to."

    thus the WACO, Branch Davidian and ADA comments...LOL..."

    Most of his posts he authors himself include the letters "LOL" or variations of "ROTFLMAO". This guy is a dwarf intellectually.


    .

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:10 pm on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Pat stated...Darrell: The Keystone Kops were much more productive and intelligent than the maroons we have in there now.

    Pat...you got me. I agree, at least the Key Stone Cops were funny and did not cause anyone to die...

    Mike, I am not attempting to side with Andrew and Andrew is not attempting to side with me. I have followed the hearings that Eric Holder has been required to attend as well as the ADF agents on CSPAN. My opinions are mine and independent of anyone else. I was responding to your post that indicated that you thought fast and furrious was a movie... I thought it odd that you would say that about something as significant as this event is.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 12:59 pm on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Darrell: The Keystone Kops were much more productive and intelligent than the maroons we have in there now. They at least knew WHO they were and what they were supposed to do and WHOM they are chasing. They at least made us laugh!!!...these doofuses scare me more than the hype about vampires!

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 9:15 am on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1405

    "it is significant and if Obama is not elected, it is likely that Holder with be taken to court and maybe in jail over this. "
    Two predictions: 1) Obama will be elected; 2) Obama and Holder (and others) will be sued by the same type of individual who files claims against business they feel don't meet ADA requirements. I AM NOT SAYING: Individuals who sue local businesses to attain payment in leu of compliance with ADA will sue Obama and/or Holder, just that there individuals who do nothing but file frivolous lawsuits against democratic presidents and their cabinet or associates.

    It's up to you if you want to align in the weasel court with this, it's just that this will get some of that smell on you and I would hope you would avoid that. He is clearly not an intellectual on your level or mine and w/o copy and paste he would be just a minor blogger.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:06 am on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    It takes extra effort to pretend there is no obvious connection to the concept Holder laid out and the actions of his DOJ under Obama.

    When Attorney General Holder was questioned by Senator Charles Grassley about how guns that were allowed to "walk" out of gun shops during Operation Fast and Furious ended up at a U.S. Border Patrol Agent's murder scene, Holder said, "I frankly don't know." That one statement from our nation's top law-enforcement official cuts right to the heart of the matter and proves that Holder is either covering up for Obama, his failed gun control schemes and the crimes committed, or he's incompetent.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:08 am on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike, the point of me referring to Eric Holder's plight if Obama is not elected is to point out that Fast and Furious is a big deal. Eric Holder is only in this position because he was in charge of a Key Stone Cop operation that resulting in deaths of Americans. His role in its cover up is reminiscent of Richard Nixon covering up the Watergate break in. Obama being elected or not is insignificant to my point. If the Republicans gain control, Holder will be in deep DO DO so to say. That is reasonable evidence in itself that Fast and Furious should not be ignored no matter which party wins the election.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:40 am on Tue, Mar 20, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1405

    Darrell: As your prediction relys on President Obama NOT being re-elected, which most reasonable republicans believe will NOT happen (he'll be re-elected easily), then it is highly unlikely Eric Holder will be sanctioned. He is not elected so he can't be impeached. He didn't commit any crimes. This brings to mind the republicans continual failure to remove Janet Reno. It wasn't Janet Reno who had a storehouse of automatic weapons (unless you include the FBI) or have sex with underage girls while pretending to be a pastor of a strange sect in Waco Texas. If the Branch Davidians did not fire on ATF agents during a legitemate raid, then none of the successive events would have happened. Weasel will probably say they would, but that's the mind of a republican and a conspiracy theorist. They don't see current events clearly because they are clouded by all the obscure nuances involved in conspiracies. Since they can not evaluate past history correctly, they can't predict real scenarios for the future. It's just part of their diseased minds.

    Oh there will be nuisance law suits brought against Holder by many of the same players durilng the Clinton tenure.

    My suggestion would be to keep the weasel at arm's length. He's not right in the head, not right at all. Without the ability to copy and paste, he is nothing more than a 3rd tier blogger, or booger if you will. That's good. A 3rd tier booger

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 11:13 pm on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Andrew, I already asked the funny person in the asylum some questions about his own ID cards, and that person is still laughing. There's one in every crowd.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 11:10 pm on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Mike Adams, Will there be taxes levied and how will your new country collect those taxes? If you look at the history of the U.S. budget, and deficit, you will see that the expenditures and taxes were relatively flat until 1913 when the Federal Reserve was created, and possibly, they needed to create the IRS to pay for it.

    A direct tax on income will be absolutely abolished.
    The IRS is a foreign entity, and we will not have any business with them. At present, participation in the IRS and filing of a 1040 form are voluntary. So, without enforcement, why would anyone want to pay them?

    “Will only members be taxed, like a health club, or will everyone have to file a second revenue and expenditure statement in addition to the IRS?”

    Again, it looks like you enjoy the IRS and you want to continue to pay them.
    It also looks like you enjoy paying taxes and you think that they are absolutely necessary in order for a nation to survive. How about tarriffs? From what I understand about how the U.S. “government” has managed to generate funds which the elite members of the corporation have stolen, and my having some awareness of an astonishing amount that they have stolen, while the government has still managed to do business, I am not concerned.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 10:58 pm on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Mike Adams, I thank you for your patience in waiting almost 36 hours for a response. There was a multitude of questions.

    Before I respond: You directed the questions as if it is my country. I consider it to be a country of the people, by the people, and for the people. In other words, it is my country, but it can also be yours, if only you take a little bit of time to study what is the difference between my country and yours.

    I remind you that we were taught American History and Civics in high school, and we were taught numerous things about a legitimate constitutional form of government which was created. I claim that my country is the same country which you believe to be yours. That is, mine is the united States of America. However, commencing from 1871, Congress voted to abandon our country, the republic, and a corporation was created. That corporation is the same one to which you claim U.S. citizenship, and it is not the same as the country that you were taught about in U.S. History.

    “Does it have coastlines?” Same as the continental 48 states, plus Alaska and Hawaii.
    “Is it land-locked?” Only the District of Columbia has limited access to the sea through the Potomac River. This matter is not very important, and has not been decided. Moreover, the unfortunate people who were born in the D.C. were not born on the soil upon which the government is declared; therefore, their fate as being automatic citizens of the new republic is not decided.

    “Will your new country have an army or navy?” Yes. If I were to respond “no,” then it could not be sovereign. Where will it come from? That is a very sensitive matter, and I probably should not answer how it will happen.

    Let me ask you a realistic question. Is the U.S. Treasury not only bankrupt, but also insolvent? On the date when the U.S. Treasury crashes, whether it occur by a run on the bank by foreign investors holding U.S. Treasury obligations, or otherwise, how will the U.S. military forces who are abroad receive financial support from the parent corporation? You’ll have to imagine this question on your own, or join if you want to know more, or wait to see what happens.

    Do you have a capital? Location is both irrelevant, and secret.
    Do you have some sort of national archive? Very important question. Yes. First, remember that the national archives of American history through 1871 are part of our archives. Public records are being maintained commencing from 2010. These are very sensitive.

    How are local governments affiliated with your new country? Those states which were admitted into the union before 1871 automatically have their original constitution in place. Ours was ratified in 1850, and we are ignoring California’s 2nd constitution which was created for the purposes of managing a corporation after 1871. Texas will use their 3rd constitution, and ignore their 4th. Those states which were admitted into the union afterward will have to draft a constitution. There are problems in the Midwest, especially with Utah. If you know their history and the territory which they claimed, beyond the current borders of the State of Utah, today, you can see this is an difficult topic, but they had to deal with it. Basically, they originally claimed a significant chunk of Nevada, and I think a chunk of some other states as well.

    Can I have a job in the government of your new country? First of all, you would have to start calling it your own country before you could have a job in it. The budget for these jobs has not been approved, but there are so many jobs budgeted that we won’t be able to manage the large numbers in the first years. There will have to be a 10 year plan to manage and attempt to organize in chaos. Moreover, defacto moles whose sole purpose is to disrupt and destroy will apply for the first positions in droves, and they will have to be managed without knowing who they are.

    I see that you downloaded your new country application package about 2 weeks ago. It left me with a lot of questions. There are request links where you can request that someone contact you. Your request will be delegated. If you don’t get a response within a week, do it again. Are you able to travel?

    Most people don’t want to sign the jural covenant. People think that it means they are joining a jury. The term “jural” is not derived from “jury.” Conversely, both terms are derived from the same word in law. I looked it up and read it to someone, and the issue was settled. I suggest you look it up in a Black’s Law dictionary, with as early of an edition as possible. I suggest that you get one. No greater than the 6th edition. 4th is even better. 1st edition is best, if you can get one, but the first edition probably weighs 20 pounds.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:56 pm on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mike.... I think you are not seeing the whole picture with fast and furious ( not the movie)... it is significant and if Obama is not elected, it is likely that Holder with be taken to court and maybe in jail over this. I think Andrew is correct on this one as it is a very big deal or at least should be a concern to a reasonable person.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 2:28 pm on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1405

    "Have you ever considered the fact that your time could be better spent educating and informing yourself about Eric Holder and Fast and Furious?"
    Duh? I'm quite informed about either. Holder is a dedicated public servant. A highly educated man, with a long record of accomplishments. You on the other hand are typical of the extreme right conspiracy herd that does nothing for the country except complain about democrats. I wonder if you could list some accomplishments that you feel may have improved America. Something other than what you normally purloin from everyone else on the internet.

    Fast and Furious appears to be a program that was flawed from the start and poorly executed. It wasn't the end of the world. You and your kind who now have found some new little speck to focus your energies on are just demonstrating your hate for all democrats and clearly have had to find something with a fine-toothed comb to b*i*t*c*h about. And this is all you have?

    You time could be better spent seeing a psychologist or psychiatrist to find out why you think the government is poisoning us all with chemicals in the vapor trails of aircraft. Or why 9/11 was a hoax or a conspiracy, Or why you believe in such odd causes and feel the need to warn us all. Or why you steal other people's work and pass it off as your own.

    Seriously, you're a flake and an odd ball. I just love getting you going because I know you'll crack fast and crack early every single time. You are obsessed with me and my comments. And I make these comments to get your reaction and that gives us all something to laugh about.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 1:16 pm on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    People who are incompetent (BO) surround themselves with five types of people...dumb, dumber and dumbest....kiss aseses...and wannabes...holder is compounded in them all.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 10:52 am on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1405

    For weasel once again:
    "Weasel's comments and observations might carry more weight if they weren't always someone elses that he just copies and pastes. Since he rarely supplies any of his own thoughts except calling me names, and despreratly seeking the approval of others he sees as like-minded, it is safe to assume he is just a fraud."

    And again, left to his own abilities, he comes up short. Very short.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 9:04 am on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1405

    Weasel's comments and observations might carry more weight if they weren't always someone elses that he just copies and pastes. Since he rarely supplies any of his own thoughts except calling me names, and despreratly seeking the approval of others he sees as like-minded, it is safe to assume he is just a fraud.

    Also, the last time I checked, Eric Holder is still the Attorney General and weasel is not. The point being that Eric Holder is considered far more qualified (or at least to the only person who matters BO) to make determinations and interpretations about law than some mutt who believes in every single conspiracy ever concocted and lacks the necessary accompaning intellect to form even the most simple opinion.

    Also I have never seen "Fast and Furious" the movie, nor have I read up on the "fast and furious" you might be referring to. Either way, Eric Holder not only has demonstrated the intellect necessary to approve such a program, but also to understand it, while you have not. been able to do either, hence your reliance on material authored by more intellegent individuals (albeit with incorrect copnclusions). Maybe you see a pattern here: intellegient people author, analyze and interpret, mutts (or weasels) have to rely on copying their work.

    To my knowledge, Eric Holder has not been nominated for a Nobel Prize. This is another example of the low level of intellect that the less fortunate must rely on, making ridiculous statements or questions.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:13 am on Mon, Mar 19, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1405

    Another in a long line of plagerized material:
    "So far, 53 members of Congress have called on Holder to resign over the Operation Fast and Furious cover-up by the Department of Justice under Holder’s leadership, but he refuses to listen to the American people and our elected representatives just like his buddy, Barack Hussein Obama."
    FROM http://www.infowars.com/lets-impeach-eric-holder/

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:29 pm on Sun, Mar 18, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "Eric Holder is far and away the worst Attorney General this nation has ever had to endure." I couldn't agree more Mr. Kinderman.

    So far, 53 members of Congress have called on Holder to resign over the Operation Fast and Furious cover-up by the Department of Justice under Holder’s leadership, but he refuses to listen to the American people and our elected representatives just like his buddy, Barack Hussein Obama.

    Does anyone remember when Attorney General Eric Holder appeared May 9,2010 on ABC’s "This Week" saying that the Obama administration is open to the idea of a modification of Miranda protections?

    Bottom line: Attorney General Eric Holder should be fired immediately and Congress should investigate his role in the Fast and Furious operation run by the ATF and the Justice Department.

    Meanwhile...Anyone interested in obtaining an ID and/or lawful passport for our "reinhabited republic" may contact Daniel Hutchins. LOL...

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 4:57 pm on Sun, Mar 18, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Mr C: "The poorest states vote overwhelmingly conservative, and areas of the country with the widest income gap between the rich and the poor lean conservative." Why do you think that is? Is it because the Democrats want them to live on welfare? Maybe they don't want no stinking handout...

    mskl: Again...you are not a debate...you are not a tree...you are not resilient...trees do blow over in the wind...they have dry-rot...they get diseases...their leaves fall off...branches break off...trees do put out a lot of oxygen for us to breathe...they clean the air...do you need a hug???

    Jerome: As always...good job. Tree debates....interesting.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 2:38 pm on Sun, Mar 18, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    Kinderman wrote, "Arguing with liberals/progressives is like debating a tree."

    Trees are strong, giving, flexible, resilient and lives/thrives amongst many species and creatures in harmony. Just because you are having trouble in debating, or understanding, others that have views and opinions that differ from yours does not mean they are the problem. Perhaps you're part of the weed patch that surrounds the tree.


     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 12:41 pm on Sun, Mar 18, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    SB: "His lack of sincerity and reality was as conspicuous as a beached whale in Times Square would be." Good one...and you say you don't have a sense of humor!!

    Ah yes...the ol' race card...msb. You know bigotry goes both ways! Who died in Watergate? Who died in Wedtech? Valerie Plame...the one of fame? Who died in that scandal? Alberto Gonzales...resigned and has since been exonerated. Bork's view that antitrust law should focus on maximizing consumer welfare has come to dominate American legal thinking on the subject.

    On the other hand: Holder...thousands of people, including DEA agents, and Mexican civilians have been murdered by the people using his guns. Reno... 51 day Waco siege standoff and resulting 76 deaths—the Branch Davidians—in Waco, Texas. Clark...has offered legal defense to controversial figures such as Lyndon LaRouche, Slobodan Milošević and Saddam Hussein...how many died at their hands??? AND he wanted to impeach GW Bush??? How about Katzenback??...were you opposed to him too: he served as Under Secretary of State from 1966 to 1969....you know when Viet Nam was escalating under LBJ and his cronies...who died there??? 55,000 or so...many more died emotionally and even after getting out of the service. Remember spitting on them? Go away please!!!

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:39 pm on Sun, Mar 18, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2358

    Yes, Eric Holder is far and away the worst Attorney General this nation has ever had to endure. After so many years and so many posts on my part, why are those who really think I need to repeat myself? But I’ll say it once more with added emphasis: “Eric Holder is far and away THE WORST Attorney General this nation has ever had to endure.”

    There, I hope that gets through.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 12:11 pm on Sun, Mar 18, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    Once again Ms. Bobin has exploit Obama's skin color in order to make her point.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:48 am on Sun, Mar 18, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Kinderman wrote: "And although I believe Mr. Holder to be the very worst Attorney General in the history of the United States,"

    Really? Worse than:

    Alberto Gonzales: believed in and supported torture and resigned in disgrace.
    John Ashcroft: Racist. Involved in exposure of CIA Agent Valerie Plame.
    Edwin Meese: Implicated with complicity in Wedtech Scandal.
    Robert Bork: Rejected Supreme Court nominee.
    Richard Kleindienst: Watergate Scandal.
    Elliot Richardson: Watergate Scandal.
    John Mitchell: Sentenced to federal prision in Watergate Scandal.

    Either Mr. Kinderman has a very short memory, or he deliberately ignornes the crime of other Attorneys General. Wonder if it has anything to do with whom Holder is serving under and/or his race. Most likely the latter, knowing Mr. Kinderman's history with anti-minority sentiments.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 10:22 am on Sun, Mar 18, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1405

    daniel: Will your new country have an army or navy? Does it have coastlines or is it land locked? Will there be taxes levied and how will your new country collect those taxes? Will only members be taxed, like a health club, or will everyone have to file a second revenue and expenditure statement in addition to the IRS?

    Do you have a capital? If so, where is it? Do you have some sort of national archive?
    How are local governments affiliated with your new country?

    Can I have a job in the government of your new country? Not something difficult like "director" or "ambassador", more like "under-assistant secretary of...." type of job. What do these jobs pay. Will we be exempt from taxes (both new country and IRS)?
    Actually, if I'm ambassador won't I be eligible for diplomatic immunity? If so, I'd rather be an ambassador. Canada. I have dibs on Canada everyone. But not the french speaking province. All the provinces but the one who speaks french.

    And so it doesn't look like I'm not on topic: I am pleased to see that more and more of the American public refuses to blame our President for the high cost of gasoline, but puts it where it belongs: big oil companies and republicans. More and more Americans don't blame our President for unemployment, but puts it where it belongs: obstructionist republican law makers. Republicans: face it. In spite of all your efforts over the years to blame democrats for all the social and economic ills of the USA, many are now listening to limbaugh, hannity, savage and saying these mutts don't speak for me. Look at the incredibly weak field the republican party has to pick from this year. The only one who makes any sense is Ron Paul and he will NEVER be elected president. Romney and Santorum merely repackage what President Obama says or does and tries to pass it off as their own. That fat guy is to smug and snotty (Gingrich) and has a terrible record with the women in his life. I'm thinking about registering republican, holding my nose and voting for him in the CA primary just to give republicans something to do during their convention.

    I downloaded your new country application package about 2 weeks ago. It left me with a lot of questions.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 10:01 am on Sun, Mar 18, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    I may have to write a letter entitled:

    " How Leftists Do Everything They Can To Demonize And Diminish The Respect For Conservatism".

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:23 pm on Sat, Mar 17, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Kinderman and Musto..

    Thank you for making such good points and revealing the faulty thinking and negative intent in Mr Crowder's posts and at the same time, showing sound reasoning skills on your part. It was refreshing dialogue. Unfortunately for Mr Crowder, his real agenda and perspectives were exposed and I am sure he knew how painfully bad his positions looked . His lack of sincerity and reality was as conspicuous as a beached whale in Times Square would be.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:15 pm on Sat, Mar 17, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Jerome: I hope that you didn't take my post disparagingly. It was meant to get you to see that maybe you aren't really that sad. Or at least to not be so sad.

    "You tell me, Mr. Maple – just how encouraged do you feel right now? With eight months until the election, do you really believe America will even begin to wake up?"

    Very much so encouraged. Just remember...the elite media only speaks the elite morons language. There are many of us from the "Silent Majority" still alive and active. Today we have the internet and that really psisses them off. Just look what steps we have to take to use the affored word...they use it all of the time on the TV (liberals)...on nearly every program I care to watch (or not) so the playing field does seem to be leveling out a bit.

    Just put YOU out there and many will follow.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 1:48 pm on Sat, Mar 17, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Steve,

    There is going to be another problem when the word hits the streets. How is a small number of people going to handle a number of people joining which exceeds the current population?

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 1:47 pm on Sat, Mar 17, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Steve,

    Not to worry about he ID cards.
    The republic was reinhabited March 30, 2010, and Andrew is already laughing about ID cards.

    Andrew was quoting from an incident that occurred in about January 2011, before the republic had even been reinhabited for less than a year.

    A problem arose when a few people working at NO PAY had to set-up shop to mass produce ID cards. Although they were to be paid for the ID cards, their initial investment was not sufficient while working at no pay. Then suddenly, at the flip of a switch, there was demand for thousands of ID cards.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:52 pm on Sat, Mar 17, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2358

    Like I said Mr. Crowder, while you insist that it's not true, you were indeed race-baiting with your oh-so innocuous questions directed to me and others. Big surprise there. Race IS an issue, Mr. Crowder. Just how it impacts on the questions you raise is an altogether different matter that requires greater maturity to discuss than you apparently possess.

    Let’s go back to February of 2009, shall we? It was newly installed Attorney General Eric Holder who stated that as a nation we’re cowards when it comes to discussions of race. Well, who’s the coward, Mr. Crowder? You couch your questions so as to give the impression that you’re just on a fishing expedition wondering why these differences exist between Mississippi and Vermont.

    And although I believe Mr. Holder to be the very worst Attorney General in the history of the United States, he was spot on when he made the accusation. But there’s no question that since Obama took over race has been at the fore regarding practically everything he and his administration has tried to do. But where is the grown-up discourse regarding the issue at the heart of many of these problems? It’s nowhere to be seen because anyone who dares to raise these questions is instantly branded as racist and intolerant. And once that happens, just like here and now the conversation must end.

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 8:37 am on Sat, Mar 17, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    It's amazing to me that when economic and educational disparity between the states is discussed, conservatives think the "obvious" answer is race. The poorest states vote overwhelmingly conservative, and areas of the country with the widest income gap between the rich and the poor lean conservative. Public policy has a profound impact on education, equal economic opportunity, and income disparity within the U.S. and around the world. But at least two Lodi conservatives say, well, no, it's about race.

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 8:07 am on Sat, Mar 17, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Jerome Kinderman, you have surprised me greatly. You are agreeing with Gary Musto that Mississippi (along with the rest of the poorest and least educated states?) struggle mainly because of the high population of blacks. Certain minorities drag down the economy and educational opportunities to such an extent that public policy has little effect and everyone in the state suffers--is that it? Because of the black people, even whites in those states are less educated and poorer? Are you serious?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:48 am on Sat, Mar 17, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Not especially Daniel...I believe the memo from the President of our new government said it all...LOL...

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 12:27 am on Sat, Mar 17, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Mr. Liebich, ens legis,


    Is there anything else that you have to say?

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 12:26 am on Sat, Mar 17, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Mr. Liebich, ens legis,

    At 10:30 am, where you burst into spontaneous laughter for no apparent reason, you even fell onto the floor.

    If you can't extract something specific out of the citation and state what was so funny about it, I must assume that you are a patient in an insane asylum who is hearing voices and laughs for no apparent reason.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:19 am on Sat, Mar 17, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2358

    Mr. Maple, I would like to redirect you to what I actually wrote regarding my feelings about America, my pride and my heart:

    ". . .when it comes to the current state of our government I’ve never been less proud to be an American. And for me to actually believe that breaks my heart."

    I chose my words very carefully, sir (as I always do). As a former member of the United States Air Force, I served proudly and will always look back on those days and experiences as some of the best in my life. I was on the tarmac at Bitburg Air Base, Germany on a beautiful May afternoon and witnessed the landing of Air Force One when President Ronald Reagan bounded off to meet German Chancellor Helmut Kohl. Wearing my blue dress uniform with newly sewn-on Staff Sergeant stripes along with my two young children clasping my hands made me prouder than you could ever imagine.

    Of course I am still proud of what this nation is supposed to stand for; but even you have to admit that we've been hijacked. Liberalism/progressivism has taken a stronghold that is getting stronger each day. Less people are voting now than ever before; apathy is the killer Mr. Maple. I've always voted since I turned of age and I will continue to write my letters and at least try to convince anyone who will listen that liberalism is as insidious as socialism and communism - all of them hold people down and prevent them from being the best they can be for their themselves, their families, their friends and for their Country. But all they seem to care about is the fancy car, HD TV, latest iPhone or "i" thing while our government now openly tears at the very freedom that so many of our military brethren have died for in so many wars.

    I am also very tired Mr. Maple. After myriad surgeries and other medical procedures to keep this not so old body going, it sure knocks the wind out of a guy. I certainly DO love America; and I love what it once was. It’s the government that needs to have the huge chip knocked off of its shoulder. As I’ve written over and over again, President Obama is no leader; he’s a pusher. When the Founder’s envisioned America’s future greatness, they knew it would take outstanding Leadership to keep it intact. Obama and his minions don’t have a shred of leadership qualities in their collective bodies. And while I have hope that come November things will change, my optimism isn’t so high. It will take a miracle, Mr. Maple. And those who fill us with all of their lies are laughing at us to our faces.

    You tell me, Mr. Maple – just how encouraged do you feel right now? With eight months until the election, do you really believe America will even begin to wake up?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:51 pm on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2358

    Mr. Crowder, as much as you desire to feign innocence on the matter of race insofar as your questions were posed regarding the differences between Mississippi and Vermont, you weren't fooling anyone. Mr. Musto responded accordingly because the racial demographics of one state compared to the other are clearly germane. If you really didn’t understand that when you posted your race-baiting questions, then you may not be as bright as you would have others believe.

    As far as my inserting Berkeley into the equation, it was not to malign its university which I am sure employs at least a few excellent professors and performs some very good research as well. In fact, when I was choosing which college to attend during my high-school years in the early 70’s, Berkeley was on the list, although nowhere near the top. I only desired to point out that ignorance isn't confined to just the poorest areas of our country. There are far more intolerant (i.e., ignorant) people in Berkeley than anyone would ever care to admit; but they go by the name of liberal and/or progressive, so whatever they say or do is just and therefore acceptable; at least in their own minds. But like you, they don't fool me either - and they never have.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 11:49 pm on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Mr. Liebich, ens legis,

    If you look on your birth certificate, you may note:

    If yours is California, on the bottom, right box, there is a "DATE RECEIVED BY LOCAL REGISTRAR." This is the date when the ens legis being, STEVE ABC LIEBICH was created. It should be a few days after your birthday. This was made possible by the signature of the parent, who signed as the informant, although your mother absolutely adored baby Andrew. When baby Andrew matured into cognizant thinking, he became surety for STEVE ABC LIEBICH. Andrew accepted the designation, "Mr. Liebich"; Andrew learned to criticize people who tried to teach him otherwise; and, he typed, "LOL."

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 11:24 pm on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338


    Mr. Liebich, ens legis,

    "I did find it odd that he was unable to provide a link to his own organization. "
    "LOL."

    You think it is odd, and you typed "LOL," in response to a link which has a government treasury that is backed by gold?

    How much backing is behind your treasury? Is your currency accepted around the world?
    What is the current financial status of your treasury? Is it not bankrupt? Is it not insolvent?

    You can take note that people are coming out of the closet.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 11:15 pm on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    grammatical errors: "a state of having BEEN born"

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 11:14 pm on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Mr. Liebich, ens legis,

    ERROR: "who ... Daniel aligned himself with"

    Here, your are using the term "alignment" in a political sense.

    I have always said that I am a living, breathing man. No alignment is necessary. It is a state of having born, and the links that I provided recognize people who know that they are alive and breathe air.

    You, however, are an ens legis, which aligns itself in politics.

    and if you don't understand this, then you will remain ens legis, and you will be free to waste your time criticizing other people who know what and who they are.

    For this, you can truly be jealous, as Steve Schmidt has suggested.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 11:09 pm on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Mr. Liebich, ens legis * fiction of law,

    Foolish.

    When you receive your national ID card, your government will require you to carry it; and, you will not be able to receive health care without it.

    * I won't make a mistake the second time of figuring that you didn't look up this word in your dictionary.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:55 pm on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mr. Schmidt,
    Actually, I have often wondered over the last few months who exactly it was that Daniel aligned himself with. Honestly, I thought he was involved with the State National movement. I thank him for at last clarifying. I did find it odd that he was unable to provide a link to his own organization. Jealous I assure you I am not. LOL...

    How long have you had your ID card Mr. Schmidt and have you recieved your lawful passport yet? ROFLMAO...

    http://dev.republicoftheunitedstates.org/


     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 7:06 pm on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2509

    Daniel, I believe Mr. Liebich is jealous of you.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:05 pm on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1851

    BOBBIN said, "Maybe both. It started right after attending the Taco Truck competition last year. I kept looking over my shoulder for the ICE agents and that bus you ordered up, but they never showed. Haven't been the same since."
    Ahh, Joanne, you give way too much credit. If you strain what's left of your brain you will discover it started WAYYYYY before that event. Most likely in elementary school.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:41 pm on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baxter asked: "Is your paranoia chemically induced or is it the result of some kind of brain disorder?"

    Maybe both. It started right after attending the Taco Truck competition last year. I kept looking over my shoulder for the ICE agents and that bus you ordered up, but they never showed. Haven't been the same since.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:35 pm on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Musto wrote: "the District of Colombia you know that bastion of conservatism who is completely owned and operated by the Democrat party."

    Don't you pay attention to Daniel Hutchins? He wrote: "In all of those posts where I was saying that DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA is a corporation, INCORPORATED into the CITY OF LONDON CORPORATION, I knew full well what I was talking about. "

    I think Daniel is much closer to the truth than Mr. Musto.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:18 pm on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1851

    Posted by our very own crack LIBERAL. "I won't bother revealing the source since Mr. Chapman and Mr. Baumbach have probably already checked my mail and think they know what subscriptions I have."
    Everyone knows your subscribe to Harpers, Mother Jones, Utne Reader and The National Inquirer.
    Your paranoia is making you crazier than you already are. I seriously doubt that Mr. Baumbach or Mr. Chapman give a rat's behind what you read. Is your paranoia chemically induced or is it the result of some kind of brain disorder?

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 3:36 pm on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Still trying to distance yourself from your racist assertion made at 9:31 am that race alone accounts for educational and wealth disparity between the states. Own your words, Gary. If you believe as you said that a high proportion of people of color in a state lead to poverty and ignorance, then why not admit it. If you don't believe that, then say so. Explain what you meant at 9:31.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 2:55 pm on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Did anyone notice how conveniently Andy forgot to mention the poorest of the poor and it isn't Mississippi, it's the District of Colombia you know that bastion of conservatism who is completely owned and operated by the Democrat party.

    Andy is tired, he's grumpy, he was completely made to look foolish by his own words and all that was left for the poor soul to do was call someone a "racist."

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:51 pm on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Thought I'd share some interesting reading I did today. I won't bother revealing the source since Mr. Chapman and Mr. Baumbach have probably already checked my mail and think they know what subscriptions I have.

    Regarding Mr. Baumbach's claim that Rush Limbaugh is THE PREMIER talk show host on radio, he is soon going to be threatened by Mike Huckabee who will be broadcasting in the same time slot at Limbaugh - 12PM to 3PM. Since Limbaugh has lost over 100 advertisers and several radio stations have dropped his program because they do not want to continue paying Limbaugh to run his show, many are turning hopefully to Huckabee to provide a non-controversial listening experience.

    According to the article, Limbaugh's "audience has dropped by half over the past 3 years." What is important to advertisers is "time spent listening (TSL). Limbaugh knows that his share of big markets like Dallas or Atlanta has dropped from his old 5 percent to 3 percent. But if he can entice that 3 percent to listen TWICE AS LONG, he can more than make up the loss. That imperative explains why Limbaugh kept talking about Sandra Fluke for so long. He was boosting his TSL to compensate for his dwindling market share. Few things boost TSL like getting old folks agitated over how much sexy sex these shameless young hussies are having nowadays. (And make no mistake: Limbaugh's audience is very old. One station manager equpped to me, "The median age of Limbaugh's audience? DECEASED.")

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 2:17 pm on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    I will not be spit upon again...not me, not you, not my brothers or father...we served.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 2:15 pm on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    SHR: "because of their (Republicans) eeep Christian values..."

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 2:13 pm on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805


    “I’ve never been less proud to be an American. And for me to actually believe that breaks my heart.”

    Mr Kinderman: Please…look into yourself…I think you will find that statement to be false. Were you not speaking up and defending your ideas and beliefs…who would??? US. Be the soldier I know you are!!!

    How you are feeling is exactly the way the liberals want you to feel…defeated. This is their MO…spit on people until they refuse to show up. I read somewhere once that people who were bullies when they were in school (and out) are more likely to be a democrat than a republican…because of their deep Christian values and willing to work and help.

    msh's letter is a good example of how they operate…a BS piece in the paper with a “logical and heartfelt” statement backed by their beliefs then finished off with this:

    Msh: “I am appalled that not one of YOUR "presidential" candidates took strong issue with Mr. Limbaugh's remarks.” Slip of the tongue mam???

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 1:38 pm on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Kinderman, I suggested Mississippi because it is the very poorest state, but I agree with you that conditions in much of the Deep South are similar. These are all "red states" with a strong conservative bent in public policy and public sentiment; my point being that conservative policy has not much benefited the populace in those states. I am not sure why you are including Berkeley as an area of low income and low educational attainment. You may not agree with the progressive nature of the city, but it is home to the most respected public university in America.

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 1:25 pm on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Kinderman, your argument is not with me. It was Gary Musto who attempted to link poverty and poor educational attainment with race. My point, which I repeated more than once, was that public policy plays a very large roll in the wealth and educational level of citizens in particular states. Mr. Musto decided that no, it's all race based. Why have you failed to address his obvious racism?

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 12:44 pm on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    So what you are asserting then, Musto, is that yes, "white supremacy" is very much bound to the notion of conservatism historically? And you correctly state that long ago Democrats were the conservative party.

    I'm not sure why you will not address your opening statement and explain your beliefs. Are you ashamed that you attributed poverty and low education attainment to people of color?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:33 pm on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2358

    Mr. Crowder, ignorance and poverty know no borders. The Deep South and its way of life aren’t limited to Mississippi (where I lived for awhile (Biloxi) and attended one of its three major universities (USM)). You'll find it everywhere in Louisiana too (try taking a tour off of I-10 through the Atchafalaya Basin and then visit Breaux Bridge and Crowley). Alabama, Arkansas, Tennessee, oh and let's not forget the bastion of liberalism in Robert Byrd's beloved West Virginia (God bless his oh-so tolerance-loving soul!). And while you’re at it, visit Berkeley, California. No ignorance there, huh?

    You ARE race-baiting Mr. Crowder and I don't appreciate it. Your statistics mean nothing until you actually understand what makes those states precisely what and who they are. Liberals/progressives feign a tolerant mindset but in reality all they want is to keep people in line and intolerant of any thing or any one who would have the audacity to disagree with their mantra.

    I’ve also been to Vermont and “enjoyed” some of their tolerant folks. Give me Mississippi any day of the week, Mr. Crowder.

    Give me God and my Bible (with a capital “B”), Mr. Crowder - because without Them I am nothing. As for you and what you believe, I trust that will one day be a subject for discussion between you and God.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:17 pm on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    DARRELL posted: "I'm confused Ms Bobin... you consistently show hostility and offer threats to Robert Chapman whose only crime ( in your mind) is that he refers to you by your real name."
    Darrell, typical liberal agenda straight from the Alinsky book. Insult, Ridicule and Threaten. You see it every day in the mainstream media and from the liberal talking heads. Poor JOANNE has been indoctrinated and fits the mold very well. If indeed her threat was aimed at me, just let me say I am so worried I am going to go on a nice mountain hike today. But, I have to admit I find her posts entertaining, in a twisted way.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 11:46 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    That's OK Andy, keep flaying away, your own words came back to haunt you and you feel silly.

    By the way, just to answer your latest rant, "is "white supremacy" a conservative value"?

    Well you tell me Andy, in a "PBS" special on race, it was noted that, "back in 1865, Southern Democrats formed the KKK to weaken the power of Southern Blacks and Republicans."

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 11:38 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Gary, the only person you are fooling is yourself. You inserted race into the discussion. You. Anyone who reads the thread can see that. You're disingenuous to suggest that my responses to your racist statements are the outrage here. You cornered yourself with your clearly racist opening statement and are thrashing around wildly to derail the discussion. Either retract your opening statement that race determines the educational and income attainment in a state or admit outright to your racism.

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 11:23 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    "white supremacy."

    "jettison the blacks."

    "rednecks"

    "white folks"

    "bastion of BIBLE believing conservatism.

    "I did not address religion and race." Andy Crowder, 10:59 AM, Friday, March 16, 2012.


     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 11:19 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Gary Musto believes that race, rather than public policy, determines wealth and educational attainment. That is what you said.

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 11:13 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    It all comes down to race with you, doesn't it Musto? You boldly made that statement and now you can't backtrack fast enough. "Backward" was your word, my words were poor and uneducated. Conservative policy impoverishes people of all races.

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 10:59 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    You're flopping around like a fish out of water, Musto. I did not address religion and race--that was your invention. In fact, I did not address race at all in my statement. You are the one asserting that race dictates wealth and education. Conservative states spend less on education. The population is less educated across all races. Less educated people earn less and are more often unemployed. A state with less educated citizenry can not attract the kind of business that pays higher wages. People are poor and uneducated because of conservative public policy, not race.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:44 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Is "stupidity" a liberal value?

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 10:41 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Andy, why do you want to "jettison the blacks" from Mississippi???

    Andy, why do you need to use the term "red necks" and "white folks"?

    Andy, it sounds like you are suffering from a bad case of "white guilt"?

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 10:30 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Go ahead Andy just make up stuff as you go along, it was you that mentioned how backward a "conservative "Mississippi was. Remember, "bastion of bible believing conservatism"?

    Are you saying that only whites identify themselves as Christian, well Andy 83% of Americans identify themselves as Christians, so now what's your point??

    Being Christian and from Mississippi makes you less educated??

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:30 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Daniel,
    Your hunch was wrong. I actually spent quite a bit of time reading about the Republic of the United States on their website. I found this message from the President of your organization to be quite revealing... ROFLMAO

    "MESSAGE FROM: President: James Timothy Turner - 12/10/2010
    Fellow Americans, There have been questions about the cost of our ID cards by some and would like to address the issue to everyone rather than to hundreds of emails individually. The ID equipment was purchased by a loan of more than $30,000.00 from friends of our Republic. I promised them I would repay the loan in a relatively short period of time. We must keep our word and honor the debt and we will honor this one if I have to pay it myself. I would have purchased the machine and gladly given all of you a free card if it was possible. I have spent about $175,000.00 of my own personal money to hold meetings, travel, pay expenses and help organize this government and would give more if I could but I have nearly exhausted all of my personal funds to help make this government happen. Many others have also sacrificed much to help. We have no complaints as it was God’s money and are thankful that he provided it for this purpose. We have to provide an office, pay employees to make the cards, provide supplies, maintenance and deliver the cards to you. It takes a lot of money just to do that. The plan we have put in place will hopefully repay this loan and provide the $100,000.00 needed to purchase the equipment to create lawful passports for you as well. We are asking for those who want a card to help carry the financial load because I can’t do it alone. This is not my government, it is our government. We cannot begin our Republic using loose fiscal policies like the de facto corporation has. It is not honorable and not according to God’s ways. We have to share in costs of Government if we intend to have freedom. We cannot begin another welfare state and expect it to be a free country. If some of you have been blessed financially please help another who can’t afford an ID card. That is how God’s people make it through tough times, we share our blessings. I pray every day for God to bless all of you. We are very concerned for your financial well-being but until our funding is released we have to continue to do our best to move forward. God is testing us and we are passing with flying colors. We will soon be victorious and sit back in awe of what God has done with a few dedicated Sons and Daughters who dared to stand against the powerful evil forces in this world. I appreciate every one of you that have taken a stand. Please remember us in your prayers that God will lead and guide us according to his will not ours."

    Thank you and God Bless you,

    James Timothy Turner


     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 10:22 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Is "white supremacy" a conservative value?

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 10:16 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Musto, your explanation for the disparity in wealth and educational attainment for the two states is purely race based. According to your statements, white people are wealthy and well educated; black people are poor and uneducated. If poor beleaguered Mississippi could just jettison the blacks, all those rednecks and poor hardworking white folks would suddenly be richer and smarter?

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 10:10 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    You brought up Mississippi and Vermont not me, you used these two states as a selling point for your Left VS Right talking points. Why are you backtracking??

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 9:54 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    You're suggesting that the problems of low educational attainment and poverty are caused by people of color? Is that your assertion?

     
  • Gary Musto posted at 9:31 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Gary Musto Posts: 506

    Andy, Blacks make up 37% of Mississippi population while only make up 1% of Vermont's.

    Is the reason for Mississippi's poor showing the result of a higher percent of Blacks than Vermont's?

    Is the reason for Vermont's better showing the result of a higher percent of Whites than Mississippi's???

    Blacks tend to vote Democrat by huge margins, what exactly is your point??

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 9:16 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Steve, Awesome! Thank you.
    I have a hunch that you are the only one that read it.
    This is quite significant news, and I'm glad that you spotted that.
    I wish I could give you specific links here in the public post, but I can only give suggestions on what to search if you want. Try "republic for california" and "republic for the united states." If you get the right hit, you'll know. Be amazed that elected officials are identified, and these are not the people you know about in the news. You can look for contact us buttons.

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 8:46 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Brain, Jerome, or anyone else who would like to address this: Why do you suppose that the most conservative state, Mississippi, is also the poorest and least educated? What is the reason that poor Southerners have been unable to pull themselves up by their bootstraps? Would you suggest that this bastion of bible believing conservatism be an economic and educational model for the country as a whole? In contrast, Vermont, the most liberal state, has the best educated citizens and the lowest poverty rate. The violent crime rate is lower as well.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:15 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    Ms. Bobin,

    Perhaps it has never occured to you one of the main reasons why this country is so great is because Conservatives outnumber Liberals 2 to 1.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:13 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    Terrie,

    I know it doesn't matter to you that one of the things on Ms. Fluke's agenda is to get the taxpayers to cover transgender operations. But I thought I'd mention it anyway.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:31 am on Fri, Mar 16, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Rot stated...Funny how an interesting topic can be derailed by a pissing contest

    Roy, I never have been interested in contests like you describe... can you clarify what you are refering to so I can understand what you are talking about?

    In my view, the letter was intending to belittle people who support Rush Limbaugh. My inclination is to explain how her position is not in reality... where is the contest?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:39 pm on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2358

    It may or may not be funny Mr. Bitz, but it sure does happen a lot on this forum.

     
  • roy bitz posted at 9:43 pm on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    roy bitz Posts: 500

    Funny how an interesting topic can be derailed by a pissing contest.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:15 pm on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    How do I know if I am a "right wingnut" ?? Or am I a leftist pinko wakko ???
    I am really confused?

    John brings up an interesting point... until I started reading Bobin type posters... I had never heard of that phrase “right wingnut”... so I borrowed some of Steve's crack research assistants and had them scouring the internet for the intriguing answer to this mystery. Turns out that is is a common term used by particular type if left wingnut that resents its competitor...the right wingnut.
    The term was most commonly found at websites such as

    http://www.democraticunderground.com

    and

    www.rightwingnutexist.com

    Evidently, Joanne and her fellow left wingnuts are terribly jealous and are in a fluster to decide what to do.


     
  • John Kindseth posted at 8:43 pm on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    John Kindseth Posts: 243

    How do I know if I am a "right wingnut" ?? Or am I a leftist pinko wakko ???
    I am really confused. Maybe Joanne can help me find myself. What is the difference ??

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 8:11 pm on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2509

    Daniel, that sounds awesome! You know you have my support.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:54 pm on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...It's great to see so many right-wingnuts come out on a rainy day to celebrate and defend indecency

    How refreshing to see Ms Bobin demonstrate how accurate the “right” side is in making their points. The right is accusing the left of blatant hypocrisy and dishonesty... The left ( Bobin types) say this is an issue about “ indecency” yet in reality, they are doing what they can to destroy Rush Limbaugh and take him off the air. They do not care how they do it and will use any excuse to achieve their goal... they cannot compete on air as their message falls on deaf or bored ears so they resort to strong arm tactics and brute force to get what they want... Sounds like Saul Alinsky's play book...
    Yes... its great to see a bitter angry woman who is the definition of hypocrisy reveal herself for all to see. See any pink rabbits yet Ms Bobin?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:22 pm on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    TREACY ELLIOTT posted Based on what I see on this board, the feeling is mutual...

    Based on what I have seen in Mr Elliott representing anti Superwalmart positions and in representing the so called Small City Preservation Committee that should have been named Pro Union Preservation Committee … the feeling is mutual...

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:19 pm on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I think you know what the next step is. Pay attention - you won't like it.

     
  • roy bitz posted at 11:00 am on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    roy bitz Posts: 500

    The president was quick to criticize Rush Limbaugh's crude comments about contraception advocate Sandra Fluke but refuses to condemn his Super Pac's acceptance of a million dollar donation from Bill Maher, who routinely attacks Republican women such as Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann in vulgar and sexually charged terms. ( Wall Street Journal article today)
    I think both entertainers "acted stupidly and this entire matter calls for another "beer garden summit".

    Taken from an article today's Wall Street Journal.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:12 am on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    It's great to see so many right-wingnuts come out on a rainy day to celebrate and defend indecency. Comments of this type are unacceptable,no matter who says them or to whom (did I get that right, Dr. Hansen?) they are directed.

    And for those who continually point to others' bad behavior to justify Rush Limbaugh, you belong in the ranks of the offenders.

    I think the most factual admission here today was: "Without any doubt whatsoever, Barack Hussein Obama is the worst president in the history of the Republic."

    No matter how much he protests, Mr. Kinderman keeps letting his true beliefs slip out by using Obama's middle initial or middle name.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:12 am on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Can anyone suggest a valid reason why Mr. Schmidt continually chooses willful ignorance over thoughtful critical thinking? Is it simply due to his own intellectual laziness or is it as Jerome suggests because, "Arguing with liberals/progressives is like debating a tree."

    During the election, Obama not only said he would not issue executive orders but he would reverse those issued during the Bush era. On his very first day in office, Obama broke this pledge and implemented and signed into law Executive Order 13489. What more needs to be said?

    "Liebich is no Daniel Hutchins." is probably the most intelligent thing this libtard has ever said.

     
  • Treacy Elliott posted at 8:54 am on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Treacy Elliott Posts: 72

    Jerome said " Arguing with liberals/progressives is like debating a tree."

    Based on what I see on this board, the feeling is mutual

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 8:47 am on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Steve: It is very important to add to this post that the re-inhabited government, at all levels has funding which is sufficient to establish a government. Two weeks ago, it was confirmed on authenticated paperwork that 38 of the 50 states are now seated, which means that there is a quorum of states to authorize the president to spend the money by the consent and authorization of the people.

    I have kept my mouth zippered shut on this one: we were pledged 5 million metric tons of gold to back our government.

    I know that this is very hard to believe, but the people who have this gold have no interest in stealing more gold. They wish to appropriate this gold to cause the world to prosper, and they realize that this would be good for themselves if the gold were appropriated for this cause.

    Additionally: Other people who have tried to steal some of this gold through manipulation of politics are now being arrested, and top level banking executives are being allowed to resign or retire in lieu of arrest.

    Basically, the existing power structure is now tumbling down.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 8:40 am on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Steve: Thank you.
    I have been very busy in the new government which is coming out of the closet.
    3 weeks ago, at our assembly meeting, we booked our room in the convention center under the name "California Assembly." The signs in the convention center also pointed toward the room in our name. However, we failed to capture the attention of anyone who passed by.

    We have elected a skeleton crew of government official servants at all levels and branches of government. State of California, as established 1850 is now reinhabited and seated, circa 2010.

    In all of those posts where I was saying that DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA is a corporation, INCORPORATED into the CITY OF LONDON CORPORATION, I knew full well what I was talking about. Interestingly, one of our leaders traced out all of the acts within congress which destroyed our country by converting it into a corporation, and he found some very interesting information about the incorporation of the 5,000 counties, as well.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:24 am on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2839

    Jerome wrote:

    If Barack H. Obama is handed another four years of residence in the White House he’ll be unleashed to do virtually anything he pleases as he’ll have nothing to lose. But look what we’ve already lost during the past three-plus years with Obama and his policies tearing this nation apart.

    -The understatements of the year. Specificly, Obamacare is now projected to cost
    at least twice as much as originally thought. Estimates now are at least 2 trillion dollars. Our taxpayer dollars at work to cover every Tom, &ick, and Harry.

     
  • Steve Schmidt posted at 5:07 am on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Steve Schmidt Posts: 2509

    Good to see you back in the game Daniel. Andrew Leibich has struggled to fill the void you left over the last few months but, as many a poster has observed, Leibich is no Daniel Hutchins.

    Heck, he's barely an Art Bell.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:47 am on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Jerry.... to top it off, the democrats made sure that the flag they used ...and can be sold for 12.95 for those who wish to celebrate the flag desecration... was made in China... democrats who talk a good game for supporting American workers send a lot of jobs over seas. I'm sure the Chinese government got a kick out of seeing our flag desecrated because they were paid to do it... made profit. Heck, Im sure they would have done it for free if the democrats just bowed down to their leaders again.

    In all seriousness, it really is a shame that the democrats thought it was an appropriate thing to do. A bad error in judgment from my perspective.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 2:08 am on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2358

    Offensive Defined: http://tinyurl.com/8xf8wjx

    An American flag desecrated with the image of Barack H. Obama where the Stars are supposed to be. My blood boiled when I saw that. But rest assured had any other person’s image been in the place of Obama’s, I would be equally outraged. The United States Flag is not to be used in this manner – ever!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:26 am on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    CONTINUED....


    6. Al Gore mocked children with Down syndrome by referring to his political critics as having "an extra chromosome."
    7. Multi-billionaire Democratic Party cash cow George Soros, on CNN, compared President George W. Bush, to N a z i s.
    8. Democratic Senator Al Franken wrote a book titled: Rush Limbaugh is a *******************making fun of a person struggling with obesity and deafness
    9. CNN host Piers Morgan suggested Tea Partiers are similar to the mobs that supported Adolf Hitler
    10. During the 2008 Presidential election campaign season, Barack Obama compared Sarah Palin to a p I g.


    These were the mild example or the lack of civility that all comes from the Anti Limbaugh crowd....who now question the character of those who support him and people like him... in my view, this letter is about insincere as it could have been

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:21 am on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2358

    I had written a fairly long response to this letter; had proof-read and edited it so as to make my points clear and concise and was just about to click the "Post Comment" button when I realized that it would serve no good purpose to do so. Arguing with liberals/progressives is like debating a tree.

    My only hope is that come November enough voters come to their senses and turn out to right this foundering nation and set our course back toward common sense. If Barack H. Obama is handed another four years of residence in the White House he’ll be unleashed to do virtually anything he pleases as he’ll have nothing to lose. But look what we’ve already lost during the past three-plus years with Obama and his policies tearing this nation apart.

    Without any doubt whatsoever, Barack Hussein Obama is the worst president in the history of the Republic. During my 55 years of living, when it comes to the current state of our government I’ve never been less proud to be an American. And for me to actually believe that breaks my heart.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:09 am on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    We should all be taking a stand against this kind of intolerant rhetoric, because it is insulting to women in all families.

    Very well written letter. Everything was perfect except for the content and the blatant hypocrisy.
    Lets count the ways where intolerant rhetoric never is taken to task by the people who have jumped on the political bandwagon to put down Republicans...
    1. Sandra Bernhard called Bristol Palin a h o o k e r "The Joy Behar Show."
    2. On MSNBC, Ed Schultz in 2010 stated...You’re d a m n right, Dick Cheney’s heart’s a political football. We ought to rip it out and kick it around and stuff it back in him. I’m glad he didn’t tip over.
    3. At a moment of seriousness , Wanda Sykes at Press Corps Dinner: "I hope Rush Limbaugh dies from kidney failure
    4. In reference to Republican Rumsfelt, We should put this S O B up against a wall and say 'This is one of our bad days' and pull the trigger." -- From a fundraising ad put out by the St. Petersburg Democratic Club
    5. Obama White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel referred to Sarah Palin as r e t a r d e d.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 12:30 am on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Try this:

    I am distressed and concerned.
    People who claim allegiance to the Republican Party display a lack of respect for >.

    For what?

    what happened to Sandra Fluke????

    what does this have to do with politics?

    Why is this important to consider?

    Rush Limbaugh did >.

    What did he do?

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 12:26 am on Thu, Mar 15, 2012.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Too many thoughts going in the first sentence?????? "I am distressed and concerned with ... people who claim allegiance in the Republican party."

    I don't have time to worry about anything affiliated with anything having to do with a political party, or an election.
    So I don't have time to take notice of Twitter comments.

    Republican party???

     

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