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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2011 12:00 am | Updated: 6:18 am, Mon Jun 20, 2011.

On June 14, you published a letter (more like a tirade) from Sonia Glick about so called illegal immigrant children attending college. She said they are here illegally and they should be deported. She also said they can just walk across the border.

Really? Some of these children were brought here by their parents before they could even walk. Coming here was not of their doing.

At one time, children born out of wedlock were called illegitimate. Does that mean that they are also illegal? We could solve a big part of the school funding problem if we stopped allowing any children whose parents are not married from attending school.

She wants to deport the illegal immigrants. Many of them will try to come back again. Wouldn't it be better to follow the tough-on-crime model and execute them? After all, the common statement is that executed criminals cannot commit more crimes. Perhaps if we sold tickets to public executions we could raise enough money to balance the budget.

Reuven E. Epstein

Galt

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21 comments:

  • Alan Weinel posted at 11:17 am on Wed, Jun 22, 2011.

    Alan Weinel Posts: 14

    We have ALL been "treated" to Mr. Epstein's commernts and observations for a long time... way TOO long. I was going to respond to his ridiculous comments, but then I considered the matter more deeply. You see, Mr. Epstein is nothing more than a childish person who not only wants, but NEEDS attention. So he writes the most idiotic comments he can conjur up. All just to get follks upset and causing him to become the center of attention. IF everyone would just leave him be, he would cease to be anything more than he is... a pathetic liberal attention seeker. Then, perhaps.... JUTS PERHAPS, the publishers of the local rags would even curtail the amount of ink wasted on him.

    Think about it.....

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:11 am on Tue, Jun 21, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Kevin stated...Anyone else have a picture of joanne furiously reading Michelle Malkin's book with a pad of paper beside her ...

    I do not have that image Kevin... if she had Michelle Malkin's book by her, she would not need note paper to take notes... the entire book word for word would make her furious...

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 10:16 am on Tue, Jun 21, 2011.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2020

    Anyone else have a picture of joanne furiously reading Michelle Malkin's book with a pad of paper beside her to take notes on everything she disagreed with. Maybe it was more like three pads of paper. Life is too short to spend it looking for things to make you that furious.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:08 am on Tue, Jun 21, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    I would say Ms. Bobin's position is like saying one shouldn't be an acitivist against smoking if they were once a smoker.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:01 am on Tue, Jun 21, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    I had to make a change:

    I think it is quite clear why Joanne thinks Michelle Malkin shouldn't get a pass.

    There, that's more correct.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:56 am on Tue, Jun 21, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Furthermore, Joanne,in so many words, is quite adamant that Michell Malkin
    is disqualified from being an acivist for immigration reform because she was born to Phillipine Nationals. Unknowingly, that is, even though Joanne would argue Michelle
    is still guilty at 2 monthes old.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:51 am on Tue, Jun 21, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Joanne wrote:

    From a simple Google search on Malkin:
    "Malkin believes that the custom of granting automatic citizenship at birth to children of tourists and temporary workers, and to "anchor babies" delivered by illegal aliens on American soil, undermines the integrity of citizenship. She argues that the custom of blanket birthright citizenship is supported neither by the Fourteenth Amendment nor by legal precedent."

    Ironic that SHE fits into this category, thus the "I got mine" attitude.

    -Chuckle,

    Joanne and her "ususal" disparaging of conservatives. She draws a conclusion
    in the last sentence that is farthest from the truth. Of course she has some evidence that Michell Malkin was somehow aware at 2 monthes of age she was going to get a free ride by being born in the U.S. to Phillipine nationals. To Quote Joanne:"The question is whether these children, who had no choice in coming to the US, be granted in-state tuition and/or access to financial aid - Ms. Glick's letter was unclear about what it was she heard/saw - she just reacted as most ignorants do by writing a letter to the editor. " I think it is quite clear why Joanne doesn't think Michelle Malkin shouldn't get a pass. And I think we can all conclude
    Joanne's hipocracy has no boundries.


     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:58 am on Tue, Jun 21, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    On a side note. Since Ms. Bobin is in such lockstep with BO and his call for a more European system of government here.Then why are we not requiring 3 forms of ID to vote like Germany does? The answer seems quite simple to me. The Democratic party would lose a big portion of their voting base.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 9:22 pm on Mon, Jun 20, 2011.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Ms. Bobin: The 14th amendment is a de facto and corporate amendment.
    If you look carefully, you will see that the term "Citizen" is a proper noun name designation in the 14th amendment, but "citizen" elsewhere in the constitution applies to the true definition as a common noun.

    There's a story there.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:45 pm on Mon, Jun 20, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated....Interesting how Mr. Baumbach would like to re-write Michelle Malkin's position on immigration...

    Then Ms Bobin stated..."Malkin believes that the custom of granting automatic citizenship at birth to children of tourists and temporary workers, and to "anchor babies" delivered by illegal aliens on American soil, undermines the integrity of citizenship.

    Ms Bobin... You are the one re-writing Ms Malkin's position. I enthusiastically support her position that baby's should not be granted citizenship simply because they were born here or anywhere. There are various countries like Denmark that have evolved their citizenship laws so that no person or baby can be a citizen simply because of where they were born. We should follow these countries stategy as well.

    However, to say she is against legal immigration is dishonest Ms Bobin. She has always maintained that people who apply for citizenship through normal channels and follow the laws, are welcome. However, something needs to be done to discourage people from entering our country illegally.
    The anchor baby concerns do motivate people to enter our country even if illegally. In addition, I read two of her books and have not seen one sentence where she is anti- legal immigration. She and many others think the law should be changed to reflect modern economic realities.

     
  • Jay Samone posted at 3:26 pm on Mon, Jun 20, 2011.

    Jay Samone Posts: 359

    Lodian - ahem - I mean Joanne - First off - it is Ms. Samone and second, I have a child that was born out of wedlock. I am on absolutely NO county, city, state or federal assistance. I provide my child with anything she needs, including a father since we live together as family. Just because a child is "out of wedlock" does not mean someone is on assistance, much less without a father, mother or any other type of psuedo parent. While there are many that take advantage of the system, there are just as many that don't and there are plenty that are FORCED to apply for aide due to this eceonomy. To group everyone in the same boat is ridiculous. You and Mr. Epstein seem to have quite a bit in common on this one.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:17 pm on Mon, Jun 20, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    At least no bearing of YOUR reality, whatever that is, Mr. Baumbach. Interesting how Mr. Baumbach would like to re-write Michelle Malkin's position on immigration. Have you read any of her books, Mr. Baumbach? She has very vehement positions on LEGAL immigration and believes the entire system is broken and/or corrupt.

    Ms. Malkin was born in the US to Philippine nationals. Her father had an employer-sponsored visa. She was born two months after they arrived, thus had US citizenship.

    From a simple Google search on Malkin:
    "Malkin believes that the custom of granting automatic citizenship at birth to children of tourists and temporary workers, and to "anchor babies" delivered by illegal aliens on American soil, undermines the integrity of citizenship. She argues that the custom of blanket birthright citizenship is supported neither by the Fourteenth Amendment nor by legal precedent."

    Ironic that SHE fits into this category, thus the "I got mine" attitude.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:41 pm on Mon, Jun 20, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin pulls an "Epstein", and draws a leftist conclusion that has no bearing on reality... Michelle Malkin is well known for her concerns that result from " Illegal" immigration... Ms Bobin then draws a conclusion she is anti immigration... Amazing that she draws such a erroneous conclusion.

    Ms Bobin does however makes good sense and observation about the burden that children born "out-of-wedlock" have on society... I agree with that aspect. I would also add that these programs Ms Bobin refers to are also taken advantage of and exasperated by married couples that know how to work the system.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:18 pm on Mon, Jun 20, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Reuven Epstein wrote a well written letter which completely crystallizes the intellectual capacity of the left as well as the strategy of drawing conclusions from the right that are unrelated to the original points that the right makes... Thank you for the illustration of “left think”!!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:05 am on Mon, Jun 20, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Epstein's letter, while making an INCORRECT analogy about illegitimate children, could have been quite spot-on if he had pin-pointed the burden that children born "out-of-wedlock" are on society.

    Their mothers are more likely to apply for federal and state assistance programs such as AFDC, WIC, subsidized child care, Head Start, and free training programs to get them (the mothers) into a career. All they have to do is sign-up, claim the child "has no father" (none shown on the BC), or the father doesn't provide child support or live with them (usually false claims) and they are set for years to come at taxpayer expense.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:58 am on Mon, Jun 20, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Jay Samone stated: "I cannot believe the ignorance of Mr. Epstein. I believe the original article was referring to "anchor babies" more than the children brought across the border."

    Incorrect Ms./Mr. Samone. So-called "anchor babies" are citizens (such as anti-immigrant champion Michelle Malkin - leader of the "I got mine" group) and entitled to all the benefits as such until we change the 14th Amendment to the Constitution.

    Ms. Glick's letter was in reference to children who are born in Mexico and brought here as underage minors by their families. The question is whether these children, who had no choice in coming to the US, be granted in-state tuition and/or access to financial aid - Ms. Glick's letter was unclear about what it was she heard/saw - she just reacted as most ignorants do by writing a letter to the editor.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:24 am on Mon, Jun 20, 2011.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    Mr. Epstein should consider taking the advice offered by Mr. Spock to Dr. McCoy in "The Wrath of Khan" where he implores him to "...control his passions [as they] will be his undoing."

    The innate silliness contained in this letter is sadly what too many other Progressive Americans cling to as they rail against laws they disagree with. No one ever suggested that someone be executed for a non-capital offense (at least not seriously) just as I know of no school district considering saving money by employing the notion put forth in the third paragraph of his ridiculous letter.

    In case Epstein missed that one important day in Civics class, we are a nation of laws. I suppose that since he’s witnessed the flouting of this very important aspect of how things are done (or used to be done) in this country at the highest levels (i.e., Obama, Reid, Pelosi, et al.), instead of going through the established practices to bring about these changes, they should simply be done away with without any input from those who just might not agree.

     
  • Jay Samone posted at 10:02 am on Mon, Jun 20, 2011.

    Jay Samone Posts: 359

    I cannot believe the ignorance of Mr. Epstein. I believe the original article was referring to "anchor babies" more than the children brought across the border. Either way - comparing "illegitimate" to "illegal" is beyond ignorant. There is nothing "illegal"
    about have a child out of wedlock. It may be to those up in their elder years who frowned upon a child born outside of a marriage, but that's not the issue. Anything you do against the law is considered illegal - period. However, I would LOVE to know how Mr. Epstein went from deporting illegal immigrants to preventing illegitimate children from attending school and THEN talking about executing illegal immigrants and charging the public admission? WOW.............

     
  • Bill Paul posted at 8:16 am on Mon, Jun 20, 2011.

    Bill Paul Posts: 2

    This is one of the most uninformed comments i have ever had the displeasure of reading. The is not a single thing of said that borders on reason, the work illeagal has a very exacting meaning. If you break the law whatever you did was illeagal. There are avenue open to everyone and anyone to become citizens of this geat country and all that is being asked of them is to utilize those avenues and comply with those laws and not be a burden on others that are being forced to pay for the existence of those that for whatever reason are not willing to care for themselves.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 7:42 am on Mon, Jun 20, 2011.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    I don't understand why people continue to vote i a process which allows this to occur.

    When election time comes, it's considered in terms of which candidate is the lesser of two evils, resulting in this mess. People continue to reelect DiFi, and B. Boxer without question. In the case of Diane Feinstein, she considers her constituents to be too dumb and stupid to understand her policies.

    Another classic example was the perpetual re-election of Ted Kennedy * , who actually introduced amendments to so-called "immigration" bills which actually "send money to Mexico" bills in disguise.

    Wake up folks. The problem starts as US citizens, who support Washington.

    * Ted Kennedy: One brother shot by nearby criminal influences, in which Ted continued to be a beneficiary for the remainder of his life. If that were me, I'd take up drinking and gain 200 pounds.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:53 am on Mon, Jun 20, 2011.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1846

    Comparing "illegitimate" children of US citizens,born out of wedlock, to babies of ILLEGAL aliens is just plain nuts. I have a great ideal Mr. Epstein, if you favor supporting ILLEGAL aliens and their children, why don't you take as many as you can into YOUR house and YOU foot the bill.

     

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