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Posted: Thursday, March 28, 2013 12:00 am

Regarding the letter from John Lucas on March 26, former President Clinton was not impeached due to his affair. He was impeached due to the crime of perjury, intentionally giving false testimony under oath.

Jim Duffy

Lodi

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141 comments:

  • daniel hutchins posted at 4:53 am on Sun, Apr 7, 2013.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Jim Duffy, some people argue about the economy when an issue of impeachment is written.

     
  • daniel hutchins posted at 4:52 am on Sun, Apr 7, 2013.

    daniel hutchins Posts: 1338

    Jim Duffy, many people prefer not to think beyond the statements that were made by their beloved Senator Boxer or* Feinstein who stated that nobody should be removed from office for having a sex life.

    * Which one? I think it was Boxer that made a press statement from the front steps of congress after her day in the trial.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 8:03 pm on Sat, Apr 6, 2013.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    I love these liberals crowing...it is the fourth inning, the score is tied the reps are up to bat in the bottom, there are two on, no outs BO is pitching, Joe boy is catching so they declare the game is over...read the rules folks...it ain't over until it's over!

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 7:44 am on Fri, Apr 5, 2013.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    brought up financial...I hate typing on my phone...can't see it.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 6:36 am on Fri, Apr 5, 2013.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mrl: You brought financial disasters...I pointed them out...correctly.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:40 pm on Thu, Apr 4, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Pat, you are so good at answering a question no one is asking. There is no argument about deficit to GDP ratios.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 4:55 pm on Thu, Apr 4, 2013.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Wrong again mrl: The greatest %GDP vs debt was during WWi, WWII, Vietnam, the Great Depression and Barrach Obma.Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, BO, Bill Clinton and Bush comes in a distant 6th. Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, HW Bush and Herbert Hoover were the spendthrifts. Any more garbage on your plate?

    Robert you left out a few Liberal Nuts...some post here...the Entire news media!

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 11:43 am on Thu, Apr 4, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1380

    It doesn't take 200 words, but in your case all your doing is parrotting generic cliches, personally attacking other posters you disagree with, or spouting off discreditted information. Your posts don't change someone's opinion. Your posts don't provide any real information which might cause a reader to want to find out more about the topic.

    Your problem is not the number of words you use, it's that the words you use have lost any influence because they don't mean anything a reader might value. It's like reading a transcript from the lilmbaugh show. Tired, old tidbits that no longer apply or no longer have any impact or meaning. The only one's imressed are the brain-dead listeners (in limbaugh's case), or the readers here.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:28 am on Thu, Apr 4, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Robert, We Liberals and Democrats love you. You are a great advertisement for our side of the street

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 7:18 am on Thu, Apr 4, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    It doesn't take a 200 word post to point out the blatant lies, misinformation and bogus statements by liberal community.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:09 pm on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I understand what your saying but I do not agree. Mr Chapman, like Joe Baxter and some others, really represent the Republican party of the day. They have taken their cues from the Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly etc. While they rarely get their facts right it is the tone of their remarks that really turns people off. Your examples are perfect. With their sneering, belittling, mean spirited way of talking down to others they may make themselves feel good but no one likes a bully. No one will ever convince them but the idea is to convince people on the fence who are listening. The best thing to do is to keep them talking. They will do the rest. The other reason is that it is fun to get bullies who have no self awareness at all to make fools of themselves.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:25 pm on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1380

    John: You can't win in this debate because it isn't a debate or even a serious of positions and rebutals. The following are actual postings from Mr. Chapman. I didn't make this up. Some of these are the posts with no deletions. I didn't add any text or insert my opinions. These are actual statements made by what I would term a typical conservative. Just follow the posts.

    "Ah yes, liberal logic at it's finest. "

    "Liberals hang on every word that Rachel MadCow & Chris MadThews utter and they have the gall to attack conservative talk show hosts as "fanatics"?"

    "Poor liberals want to believe all is well. Those rose colored glasses they wear are skewing their images."

    "Facts IS facts. But liberals are probably still arguing about what the definition of "IS is."

    "Hawww !! Whining about whining, does it get any better? Thanks for the laughs."

    "In defense, the liberals come out of the woodwork to bash every conservative they can. Say one thing they don't like about one of their little liberal idols and they go ballistic. Whining is their specialty. Their favorite retort is " yeah, but what about ------------", fill in the name."

    "Few things make me smile more than reading the whinings of liberals."

    *"Reading comprehension skills lacking?"

    *"Do you realize just how ridiculous your claims on debt reduction sound? "

    * Really? With his skills, should Mr. Chapman be asking someone else about their comprehension levels of whether or not some one made a ridiculous statement?
    Seriously. This is the way a typical run of the mill conservative considers debate.
    John....ignore him. I find his skill at political discussion humorous, but really it's a statement what kind of person is attracted to the GOP/Tea Party/Conservatives.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:29 pm on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Robert, I thought even you would get the idea. Basically Republicans tend to increase the deficit from year to year and Democrat tend to do the opposite. Look at the history. Also Republicans have had the two greatest financial disasters on their watch. They always blame someone else but again that is the history. They then call themselves financial Conservatives. Simply amazing.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:16 pm on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Ah yes, liberal logic at it's finest. No wonder America is on the road to total financial collapse.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:29 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Mr. Chapman said:
    Do you realize just how ridiculous your claims on debt reduction sound?

    I think we are talking about two different things. Obviously the meaning of what I said was the direction of the yearly deficit. If the deficit was $20 one year and $10 the next the direction i going down as it is under Obama and did not under the Reagan and Bushes except for a couple of times.What I was saying that under the Voodoo economic Presidents(Republicans) the size and direction are generally up and it is the opposite for the non Voodoo economic Presidents(Democrats).

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 11:21 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    [lol]

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 10:58 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Do you realize just how ridiculous your claims on debt reduction sound? Check out this site and get back to me when the clock starts running backwards.
    www.usdebtclock.org/

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:26 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    When Clinton was President the size of the deficit went down every year. Not to you but according to Nobel Prize winning economists on the left and the right say he balanced the budget at least one year. The size of the deficit has gone down every year with President Obama. The deficit pretty much does the opposite and goes up every year when Presidents using Voodoo economics.(both Bushes and Reagan). With the last one we got the added bonus of an economic crisis unseen since the great depression. Before Reagan and the introduction of Voodoo economics, the deficit was not that big of a problem. This is the history no matter what your right wing websites or the emails you get from your friends say.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:54 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    The outrage is not phony. It is also mixed with some sadness for I believe in what Emerson said " The only thing we can give God is our character". I am retired. I am not on welfare. I do not need to get a job. I worked very hard my whole life. This is what you said:

    Stop the revisionist history, give up your welfare, get a job and read for facts not fiction.

    The outrage comes from you not combating any argument with a counter argument. You did not point out anywhere where what I said was fiction. You stooped to baseless lies in order to attack my character. My sadness comes from you not realizing the content of your character that you are giving God.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:42 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Yes because it is true.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 9:24 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Liberals hang on every word that Rachel MadCow & Chris MadThews utter and they have the gall to attack conservative talk show hosts as "fanatics"?

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 9:20 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Facts IS facts. But liberals are probably still arguing about what the definition of "IS is.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:34 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1380

    Of course, a " compassionate conservative"! How foolish of me....
    But please, please, in all your sincere efforts to help the poor, the sick, the malnourished, please don't forget the first step any "compassionate conservative" takes before help is offered: don't forget the shame. Those needing assistance must always be shamed. Any and every conservative knows, poor, hungry children get that way because of something they did, like being born to drug addicted parents (who weren't even married to each other, can you believe it?). Or they need to face the responsibility that as a result of their actions, maybe someone gave them an apple,...what ever, the parents were let go because their employer moved operations overseas where child labor is cheap and profits can be maximized.

    And please, for the children if nothing else, when you donate your old worn out sneekers with the sole coming off one of them and 1 shoe lace between the two, don't neglect that first step. Get them to hang their head in humble gratitude for your advice, your worn out clothes, informing them of all the wonderful services available in another town they can't get to....

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:16 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Do you ever take the time to listen to yourself?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:14 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I do not mind your blatant ignorance on economic matters but this:

    Stop the revisionist history, give up your welfare, get a job and read for facts not fiction.

    This is typical right wing fanatic use of the English language that passes for adult debate. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter would be proud but normal people are getting a little tired of it. Grow up

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 4:18 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    Mr. Maple - thank you for clarifying that for me.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 2:51 am on Wed, Apr 3, 2013.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Jerome: I use the minimum of recognition of those whom I feel are either not listening, being stupid, obfuscating, stonewalling, who have condescending lives or are just obstinate. I address you as Jerome or Mr K or Mr Kinderman. msb, ss, mrl, mrh and others fit into the diminished capacity of recognition, respect and cognition categories or the lower case crowded space. I waste little time on who they say they are because they usually aren't. Where is Mr Baumbach?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:16 pm on Tue, Apr 2, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Robert, the history is the history.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:50 pm on Tue, Apr 2, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    "it is a miracle the deficit has gone down every year". Clinton? Obama? Oh my, I see liberals are still spreading lies abou ttheir Idols. The deficit hasn't gone down under any president in this century. Obama addressed the budget? WHAT BUDGET? Clinton used "creative" accounting to crow about his non-existent surplus. Poor liberals want to believe all is well. Those rose colored glasses they wear are skewing their images.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 5:42 pm on Tue, Apr 2, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    Diminished cognitive abilities, eh???


    [smile]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 5:04 pm on Tue, Apr 2, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    The person who started this landslide was Ronald Reagan with Voodoo Economics. Reagan tripled the budget deficit. The deficit was a minor problem before Reagan.
    The only Presidents to realistically deal with the problem since Reagan were Clinton and Obama. With Clinton it is obvious. George Jr's last deficit was 1.4 trillion dollars and he left a train wreck of an economy. Most of the deficits by Obama are due to automatic stabilizers built into the system such as unemployment benefits, welfare, health care costs etc. You add the loss of revenues brought on by the crippling of the economy by Reaqanomics. You further add the needed stimulus package and the various bailouts and it is a miracle the deficit has gone down every year unlike what happens when the supply siders are in control. Obama and then Hillary will righten the ship and hopefully we can avoid people with your view of economics from blowing up the economy again.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:45 pm on Tue, Apr 2, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    He mean me

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 3:14 pm on Tue, Apr 2, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    Mr. Maple - if you would be so kind as to clear something that has confused me for quite some time: who or what is "mrl?"

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 1:27 pm on Tue, Apr 2, 2013.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Aaaahh: The GREAT SOCIETY!!! Yes mrl you would believe in stealing from our grandparents and parents...$12 Trillion later and hundreds of failed social programs our children and grandchildren will pay the next $22 Trillion. Instead of the current SS recipients receiving their true benefits (nearly triple their current benefits) you want more from the same type of idiots who started the landslide 50 years ago. Wow.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:13 pm on Mon, Apr 1, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Interesting but clearly not the case.

    I believe in a highly progressive income tax. You do not
    I believe in strong labor laws protecting the right of workers. You do not
    I believe in a strong regulations overseeing banks, and wall street. You do not
    I STRONGLY believe in Keynesian economics. You do not
    I believe in a women's right to control of her reproductive system. you do not
    I believe in strong gun control and would ban semi-automatic weapons. you do not
    I believe in the Fairness Doctrine. You do not

    This is just from the top of my head

    This does not make either of us bad people. We just disagree. You are correct that in many area I am old fashioned but I am where the center of the country was 40 years ago.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:16 pm on Mon, Apr 1, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    I suppose he and his circle of friends still thinks it's quite cool to be the atithesis of what America is no matter how foolish they look.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:13 pm on Mon, Apr 1, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    John Lucas stated:


    I wonder why I am not surprised at what you think of Jerome. You are both radical right wing fanatics whose views are way out of the American mainstream

    -Hmm,
    I never thought of myself or Jerome as RRWF. My view of life is pretty much like Jeromes. In fact, most of my close friends and contacts would agree with much of Jerome's sentiments. It seems to me John has little or no idea of what is the definition of the foumndation of America. I siuspect he's afraid to look at himself in the mirror because he knows very well what he is hiding behind is a liberal trying hard not to admit his core values are deeply conservative. But it's just not fashionable at the moment for people like him to admit they are much more old fashioned than progressive to say the least.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 4:28 pm on Mon, Apr 1, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 444

    Clinton may have been guilty of lying to a grand jury and maybe obstruction of justice. Ken Starr and everyone else should have ridiculed and made fun of him for his real crime ; his being a good looking American male and president of the USA and picking some truly ugly looking women to have affairs with. Can't blame the man for denying it.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:58 pm on Mon, Apr 1, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Not much. What offends me is their misuse of the word Conservative. They have changed its meaning. They are good at covering up their craziness with words that sound normal. Everett Dirksen or Eisenhower were Conservatives, These peoples ideas would destroy the middle class in this country if their ideas already in place (supply side economics) have made it too late.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 3:44 pm on Mon, Apr 1, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    John, what is the difference between...

    A RWF (Right Wing Fanatic) and a Archconservative/Retrogressive ????


    [smile]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:16 pm on Mon, Apr 1, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    There is no doubt there is some hunger here and around the country. It is minuscule to what will happen if we let the economic policies of you, Paul Ryan or other RWF come to fruition. You may call yourself a Conservative but that does not make it true.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:28 am on Mon, Apr 1, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    Not long ago a contributor to this forum indicated that there were starving children in Lodi, California. This claim was put forth with the belief that for whatever reason I would deny that they exist.

    While I certainly did not deny their existence, I did wish to know where they were - why? Because as a conservative American, I would never knowingly permit any child to starve especially in my very own community. This concerned me very much. Yet when I asked for information that would lead me to just one of these terribly suffering children, no one has been able or willing to point me in the direction of this child - including the individual making the claim. I find this troubling.

    I also know of no other true Conservative who would ever permit any child to suffer needlessly; it is simply not in us to allow it. In fact, we're even incensed when unborn children are killed for no legitimate reason other than it's simply not the right time for their mother to give them life and care for them.

    In my own effort to find out why there might be starving children in Lodi I came across some good information that now has me doubting the claim. After all, what good and loving parent unable to feed their child(ren) would refuse help to care for them? Yet because some parents might actually be unaware of these resources, I posted that information on this very forum with the hope that no child in our community would ever have to go to be hungry.

    Still, I can't imagine why anyone would want to use the idea (notion) of a starving child simply to score political points or worse – to frame someone they don’t even know that such a child would be denied. But it's done all the time; and I find it reprehensible. Regardless, even though it appears that in San Joaquin County we have some very good places for people in need to go, if anyone would like to assist with fighting hunger elsewhere in America, the following website will permit those so desiring to contribute to the cause (http://feedingamerica.org/how-we-fight-hunger/our-food-bank-network.aspx). For example, a $50.00 donation will provide 400 meals for the estimated 1 in 6 Americans facing hunger.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:06 pm on Sun, Mar 31, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1380

    Darrell, I thought I made it clear to you several months ago that I wasn't going to talk to you anymore because of your childish behavior. That still holds regardless of what name you use.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:04 pm on Sun, Mar 31, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1380

    Another ridiculous lecture from Jerome Kinderman.

    The same Jerome Kinderman who thought poor, starving children look like the stereotypical images from the depression era. And with this latest lecture, again shifts the blame from people with a similar political/social views similar to his, to the parents, parents who also might be hungry and out of a job. And really, posts such as this hammer home how out of touch conservatives are in this country. I know, I know. Probably another long winded lecture with elegant prose of how poor people should be happy to be living in a world with gold brick roadways where the primary reason they don't have work is because they don't want to and how they would rather leach off of conservatives (How Dare They!).

    It also points out the convoluted logic conservatives possess. Example: If there are so many free public services available, so many that no one should go hungry, no one should be unable to get medical services (beyond the emergency room), no child should need shoes or a warm coat, etc..... If this is true, then why is there still a need for all of the above and more? With the internet available on new, expensive "smart" phones which all poor people mysteriously have (according to Jerome), why aren't the poor logging on and getting their share of all the entitlements?

    When you get down to it, look through the semantics Jerome uses and you find just another angry white guy who thinks the poor should stay that way and more importantly, stay out of sight.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:31 am on Sun, Mar 31, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    interesting

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:02 am on Sun, Mar 31, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I find interesting that our RWF (Right wing fanatics) friends keep attacking Ms Bobin for attacking Jerome. This is a little like the kettle calling the pot black. A little projection perhaps? I understand our friends disdain for a woman who disagrees with them. Women and women issues have certainly cost them dearly at the polls. Besides, who does she think she is? Does she not have some grandchildren to take care of somewhere? Joanne is a strong personality who has a brain and is not afraid to speak her mind. What I like about her is that a majority of the time she focuses on issues unlike some of our RWF friends who seem to think all politics is about is belittling and smearing their opponents.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:40 am on Sun, Mar 31, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Jerome, I care about issues. I do get tired of you passing yourself off as a Conservative. You are a right wing fanatic who has a fetish for his anger and resentments. Some of the great minds have been Conservatives. They understand nuance and context and made great contributions to our civilization from Edmund Burke to Winston Churchill. Your mentors are the likes of Rush Limbaugh who also passes himself off as a Conservative. I know you do not understand what I am talking about but it makes it no less true.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 8:20 am on Sun, Mar 31, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    By virtue of your letters and comments on this forum, you appear to care very much.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:21 am on Sun, Mar 31, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I wonder why I am not surprised at what you think of Jerome. You are both radical right wing fanatics whose views are way out of the American mainstream. I am not saying you are bad people or that I dislike you or have any animus against either one of you. I just think when it comes to politics you both are crazy. Both of you think the same way about my politics. So what? Who cares?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:10 pm on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    I am hoping someday Ms. Bobin meets Jerome and comes to find out she's been terribly wrong about him. It's not because of what he says here. It's because of how she construes it. Thankfully, I have learned a lot from Jerome in a positive way. As far as Ms. Bobin? Well, It's pretty much apparent she has and will continue to have an axe to grind with him BECAUSE he's so wise and she's, Well, just a (censored).

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:56 pm on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Jerome Kinderman,

    Thank you AGAIN for your words of wisdom. [smile]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:55 pm on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    -Of course Ms. Bobin doesn't believe this is yet another perfect example of her relentless personal attacks on Jerome Kinderman.


    Ms. Bobin wrote:


    I think that Mr. Kinderman has a very screwed up view of the world, judging by the above comments. Honestly, I am just speechless about his view of women.

    It is easy to see why he is divorced - and to assume that "liberal/progressive" couples DO NOT make joint decisions about reproduction....really - who else lives on Mr. Kinderman's bizarre planet?

    And this is the SECOND time he has mentioned Bill Clinton and the so-called "cigar" incident. One would think he had quite the perverted fixation with that part of the scandal.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:51 pm on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Why she would want to not include many liberals whining about babies being aborted at the drop of a hat leaves one wondering where she got her reasoning from.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 5:47 pm on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    So then . . . if there is even one starving child in Lodi, California . . . there sure shouldn't be one.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:50 pm on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    In less than five minutes I was able to find the following information online to assist families in need of not only sustenance, but other benefits as well. So, if there are starving children in Lodi, I cannot fathom why. I suspect that since no one would never argue against assisting hungry children, just the mentioning of such a thing would stop us in our tracks. Not so fast - at least not in the United States of America.

    Of course there may be parents too proud, too ignorant or simply too irresponsible to seek out this help for their children. This is where especially the schools should be keeping an eye on younger children who appear to be neglected or abused. Most cases should be reported to the proper authorities for investigation.

    In an effort to assist starving children, adults and seniors in Lodi, here's a link to the San Joaquin County's "Access to Benefits" webpage that should help with this issue: https://www.c4yourself.com/c4yourself/index.jsp. Since most Californians have access to the Internet through their Smart Phones, PC's or through a visit to our local library, here's where they can start the ball rolling to ensure that they receive ALL of the benefits for which they qualify. This website consists of a trove of information; these include the following:

    1. Temporary cash assistance for families that consist of the following:

    • You have a child in the home who has a parent that is:
    Deceased
    Not living in the home
    Unemployed
    Disabled

    • You are a relative taking care of a foster care child.

    2. Food Assistance - including apply for SNAP (formerly food stamps)

    3. Medical:

    Medi-Cal can help pay health care services if you:

    •Have a child in the home whose parent is:
    Deceased
    Not living in the home
    Unemployed
    Disabled

    •Pregnant
    •Aged, Blind or Disabled
    •Have tuberculosis, breast cancer or HIV/AIDS
    •Are under 21
    •Care for a foster care child

    To receive full benefits, you must be a US citizen or permanent legal citizen. Individuals, who do not have citizenship documentation, can receive emergency services only.

    The amount of income you have will determine if you need to pay for part of your health care services. This portion is called a Share of Cost.

    No access to the Internet? Here’s their phone number for San Joaquin County: (877)652-0730.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:45 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    Regarding low-cost or even free abortions I DID do the research; it wasn't all that difficult. I know for a fact that Planned Parenthood performs these procedures for nothing more than a nominal donation or for free if the "patient" cannot afford to pay anything at all. As for getting there – oh c’mon!

    As far as Texas is concerned, I applaud their move. Why should taxpayers pay for these incredibly violent murders of unborn children? Let private donations fund those for women who can't afford them.

    Abortion is reprehensible and a national disgrace. So long as we as a nation continue to support abortion-on-demand, we will never return to great nation status. But then, most of the readers here understand my stance on this subject - no need to rehash it.

    Starving children in Lodi? Who, what and where? Please point to one such child and I will be more than happy to help them out. But we have a number of organizations right here (Salvation Army, various churches and food closets as well as schools that supply breakfasts and lunches for free) to assist those in need. In addition, for those who qualify aren't food stamps still readily available? With all of the government (taxpayer) money being tossed around there, why should anyone be "starving?"

    If anyone knows of children in such dire need, I am sure the News-Sentinel would like to know who they are as well. Such a story should be welcome on their front page - above the fold.

     
  • Quan Pham posted at 10:35 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    qpham63 Posts: 31

    Mike Adams, I voted Republican because they have the closest values aligned to my own but even then not conservative enough. It ins't tough to be conservative because that is who I am. I have a set of values and I live by it. It is just that simple.

    Those who would bash conservatism, bring it on. I don't mind standing up for my values.

    I/we were poor immigrants. $52.80 was all the money our family of 2 parents and 16 kids had in 1975. We are now all doing very well and most of us (of the 16 kids) are consider "rich" by BO's definition. Yes, those of us who should pay more of our fair share.

    Let me be clear (using BO's signature lead in), I have no problem writing a check to support the disabled, the poor but never the lazy and never for those who have not contributed or wisely saved during their productive years.

    I don't like funding bridges to nowhere, bullet train that isn't fast, start from nowhere and go to nowhere, backing costs for green energy jobs that cost more than the actual income that it produces. In short, wasteful government spending.

    I am willing to call out presidents of any party for their wasteful spending starting with W for his 700B bail out package before leaving office.

    Bail out does nothing but prolong the inevitable. Any business not fit to survive should be allowed to go bankrupt so that better more suitable business can rise in its place.

    Why, if you equate it to school, we should just give every student a passing grade. Why flunk them? We should also give everyone a trophy for participation, Oh wait, we have done that and that is why our HS graduates can't read and soccer kids with two left feet have trophies.

    That's my stance, where do you stand?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:05 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Actually, I did "back-peddle" in order to apologize for not reading Mr. Lucas's letter correctly.

    But in Mr. Docktor's world, that doesn't count.

    Why is it that ALL of your comments here are nothing but PERSONAL ATTACKS. Oh, that's right. You would actually have to THINK in order to participate in the conversation.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:02 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Another instance of Mr. Docktor NOT reading what I actually wrote.

    I was referring to Ms. Parigoris's comment in which SHE referred to moveon.org as FAR LEFT, but SHE neglected to call the TEA Party FAR RIGHT.

    Try reading before you make personal attacks, Mr. Docktor. It just makes you look stupid.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:00 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    If you actually read my comment instead of trying desperately to make a personal attack on me, you would know that is not what I said.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:59 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    The best part of Brian Docktor is his ability to make personal attacks. Otherwise, he has nothing to offer.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:57 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "It's frustrating when such misinformation is so easily exposed; but this is precisely how liberals/progressives try to make people feel so sorry for poor women."

    Why Mr. Kinderman enjoys ignoring facts, I'll never know. Perhaps, since moving to Lodi, he has lost touch with the rest of the world.

    He thinks that the nearest abortion clinic is only a credit card swipe away. Poor women just need to pull out their checkbooks and drive 400 miles to the nearest clinic.

    He doesn't believe that Texas has moved to defund Planned Parenthood and actually called his son is that state of verify that condoms were still available at the drug stores - hey - you have to BUY them, but all those poor people want them for FREE!!

    It is sad to have so much ignorance of what goes on in our society, but then he also believes that there are no starving children in Lodi.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:47 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Unlike you I did not state an opinion. I simply asked just how is Moveon.org trying to undo the Constitution? Like your mentor Rush you just are bloviating your opinion without anything to back them up.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:07 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Mr. Lucas,

    I don't get my talking points from Rush. I don't believe TPP have never said anything that could be construed as counter to the Constitution. Unlike your belief that moveon.org has never said anything that could be construed as counter to the Constitution.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:55 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Ms. Bobin stated;

    Darrell - Bill O'Reilly WITH Sean Hannity, and now they are joined at the hip, but still back-peddling as fast as they can.

    -At least they admit there are instances where they needed to back-peddle. Heaven forbid Ms. Bobin ever admit she has had instances where she needed to back-peddle.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:41 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    And, pray tell, just how is Moveon.org trying to undo the Constitution? These Rush Limbaugh moments get a little tiring. Making blanket statements without stating
    your reasoning is something Michelle Bachman, Ted Cruz, Steven King, Sarah Palin or any other Tea Partier would do.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:38 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Ms. Bobin stated:

    Interesting comment considering that 99% of the Letters to the Editor are from right wingers whining about everything from killing babies to the lousy economy that they refuse to acknowledge was the result of 8 disastrous years of a George Walker Bush administration.

    -Some interesting observations by Ms. Bobin. Especially the fact that she believes that 99% of the people whining about killing babies are conservative doesn't paint a very rosey picture for liberals. Frankly I think she's finally overstepped her boundries in assuming liberals could care less how many babies are killed.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:27 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Ms. Bobin Stated:

    Very telling that "moveon.org" is referred to as a "far left group" while the TEA Party Patriots are NOT referred to as a FAR RIGHT group, which they are.

    -Chuckle,

    Ah, a sleight of hand by Ms. Bobin. Actually, Tea Party Patriots ARE referred to as a FAR RIGHT group by the left. Just as Moveon.org is referred to a as a FAR LEFT group by the right. However, the Tea Party Patriots pose no threat. Their cause is to advance what's in the Constitution. Unlike Moveon.org.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:03 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    You do not know what you are talking about. I suggest you do some research on the subject

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 3:42 am on Sat, Mar 30, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    In which "many" states would those be where "poor women cannot get an abortion, contraceptives or even pre-natal care ease (sic)?" I just perused through the Planned Parenthood website and all 50 states plus the District of Columbia were represented as having clinics. Now if some of those clinics do not offer abortions, contraceptives or pre-natal care, surely there would be a bordering state that would have such a clinic for them.

    It's frustrating when such misinformation is so easily exposed; but this is precisely how liberals/progressives try to make people feel so sorry for poor women. With Roe v. Wade the law of the land, abortions are plentiful, easy to get and I would suggest very cheap. Planned Parenthood clinics mostly charge what is reasonable for each "patient's" budget while usually just a donation of any amount will suffice.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:13 pm on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    I meant Jerome but you are probably right about God. I am not sure he is happy with women. He sent the ladies here to civilize us men. Talk about be given an impossible task! [smile]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:07 pm on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    If we had a health system and a system that takes care of children on par with Japan, Germany, France or the Scandinavian countries I could agree with some of what you are saying. I could never vote for a system that forces a woman to have a child. The real problem is we do not support women enough either before or after they have a child. It is a tough issue.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:51 pm on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    If a woman could completely control her reproductive system I think my position would be unassailable. The problem now is that is not the case even with abortion. In many states many poor women cannot get an abortion, contraceptives or even pre-natal care ease. In this area we are the laughingstock of the world especially when wingnuts start talking about aspirin. It is an outrage.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 2:48 pm on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2020

    Since there was a few postings on child support and parental responsibility here is my two cents about it:

    Legally we have uneven standing of father and mother. IF the mother wants an abortion then she can have one with the father never knowing. BUT if she takes it to term then she can get child support to raise the child. I believe that for EQUAL treatment in the law then the FATHER either has to be given the right to agree with the abortion or, if abortion is not an option for HIM, then HE can take FULL parental rights of the child.

    ALSO, if during the pregnancy the mother decides that the father is a NON-ISSUE and does not inform him of her pregnancy then at a later date she can not come after him for child support.

    The exception to these laws are when the pregnancy is a result of criminal behavior in which case (as in the case of rape, incest or sex with a minor) then the father would be on the hook for significant child support with NO parental rights/restraining order (yes an assumption the illegal activity was by a man, difficult choices woulf have to be made if it was the woman acting illegally).

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:39 pm on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Ed, please don't tell me that YOU are that nice old man I talk to at the park!

    And, yes, I was at the dog park and did pick up two piles that my dogs produced. I've done my civic "doody" for the day!

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 2:38 pm on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 2020

    I heard about this while it was going on throuh the news.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/22/opinion/prewitt-rapist-visitation-rights

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:28 pm on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    God feels great about avocados because he made them the perfect food.

    One avocado a day gives you everything you need to stay healthy!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:24 pm on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Well, Mr. Lucas, I'm not giving you a tongue lashing, and I cannot believe that you and I are so far apart on many issues - you just allow more people the benefit of the doubt than I do.

    I've previously stated my position on abortion and birth control and don't want to reiterate all that.

    As far as your contention that unmarried women should not be allowed child support, I think it boils down to the idiom, "it takes two to tango." How would one prove that neither party used or wanted to use birth control or which of them SHOULD have used birth control? How do you prove that one or the other was pro or against aborting? That is why the law allows for child support orders.

    I recently had a situation with an employee who suddenly, after 17 1/2 years, got slapped with a child support order. What? Turns out the "casual sex partner" had gotten pregnant from a one-night-stand, subsequently, and surreptitiously, convinced her fiancé that the baby was his and went on with her life UNTIL she was divorced. Guess what - she took her case to court and the courts determined this guy should pay her child support for six months until the child turned 18. He was lucky the mother didn't press for 17 1/2 years of support - she could have gotten it but admitted her deceit. (WOW - I'm making Mr. Kinderman's case for woman-hate!)

    For an interesting scenario that I'm sure was based on an actual case, see the latest episode of "Law & Order, SVU" in which a woman is raped, the rapist is found not guilty, the woman decides to keep the child because she had previously been told she could not have children, then the rapist takes her to court for sole custody of the child. It's mind blowing, to say the least.

    There are always more than two sides to every story, as they say - his, hers, and the truth. If a father either accepts paternity or has paternity proven, he should take responsibility. Otherwise, we would live in a world where no one accepts personal responsibility and we become the whiners that Mr. Chapman and Mr. Kinderman already believe we are.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:37 pm on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Ed, we are united in going against the grain of some of our compatriots on each of our sides of the political spectrum. You with the fable thing and I with the child support issue. I hope they get over it. [smile]

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 12:20 pm on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 517

    Mr. Chang: Adam and Eve was a fable. Perhaps you have heard of a talking snake, in a book of fables anything is possible.

    Roe vs. Wade is an issue like Prop. 8 that will never please everyone. So take it as it comes and learn to live with it.

    Mr. Lucas: Agree with you and no tongue lashing should be required, even Joanne in some strange manner agrees with you. Besides she`s at the dog park and will need time to achieve a proper response.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:07 pm on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [smile]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 11:55 am on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1380

    Now don't go beating up on Mr. Pham. Just think how hard it is to be a republican. From 2006 to Jan. 19, 2009 you had to try and make believe the economy was booming, we were winning in Iraq AND Afganistan, then at 12:01 PM, 1-20-09 the economy was power diving, millions losing their jobs, a worldwide banking crisis was only avoided by the last minute efforts of W., things not going well in the middle east. During the next 5+ years, Obama quintupled the national debt, failed to lower the unemployment rate, Iraq was a dismal failure and we were getting bogged down in Afganistan. The run up to the general election in 2012 was the very worst of times this country has ever seen. Ever. And then it got worse! The brain-dead electorate chose a failed community organizer, a socialist and a communist, a progressive, someone who clearly wasn't even a US citizen, to remain in the White House over a simple minded billionaire who paid little in taxes and had so many cars he needed to put a car elevator in his garage. And, according to the republicans, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, the economy is still nose diving, millions are still being laid off, we're not getting out of Afganistan fast enough.
    Include the fact that the political party you are part of is rapidly tearing itself apart from in-fighting and a lack of minority representation despite it's best efforts to legislate better conditions and opportunities for minorities in every bill they submit and pass.

    So before you beat up on a poor immigrant for grabbing a piece of apple pie, think how hard it is to be a republican in these times.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:21 am on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    [smile]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:17 am on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Women and Avocados. Proof that God is good. I wonder how he feels about Avocados? [smile]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:11 am on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    The best part of Mr. Pham is his ability to write in broken English one day and perfect English the next.

    Personally, I don't buy his attempt at playing the humble Asian immigrant.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:52 am on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Wow, we almost agree on something. Having stated the following with my sisters(both Liberal) I will await my tongue lashing from my liberal counterparts, especially Joanne, here as I have gotten from my sisters.

    I am very conservative and believe in freedom when it comes to a woman's right to have an abortion. I believe that every woman has the right to control her own reproductive system and the state has no business in the matter. If a woman wants to terminate her pregnancy it is no one's business but her own.

    With rights comes responsibility. I believe If a woman is not married she has no case for getting child support from the father. There I have said it.

    I await my tongue lashing with much anticipation.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 10:48 am on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    Jerry, you're still mad at Eve for eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, aren't you???


    [smile]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:40 am on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I think that Mr. Kinderman has a very screwed up view of the world, judging by the above comments. Honestly, I am just speechless about his view of women.

    It is easy to see why he is divorced - and to assume that "liberal/progressive" couples DO NOT make joint decisions about reproduction....really - who else lives on Mr. Kinderman's bizarre planet?

    And this is the SECOND time he has mentioned Bill Clinton and the so-called "cigar" incident. One would think he had quite the perverted fixation with that part of the scandal.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:01 am on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1508

    Yes, absolutely better today than in 2008.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:57 am on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1508

    John I'm surprised you would question Quan. He escaped the fall of Saigon, came to this country as a refugee, attended California colleges, received a degree in aeronautical engineering and now how a successful career as an aeronautical engineer and now graces the pages of our little paper. How can anyone question such a success story just because he appears in the LNS just as Darrell is being banned?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:48 am on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    Why (in a progressive world) should men be responsible for pregnancies when it's the women who want to make all the "choices" including whether to abort the child? To be "fair," with 100% of the choices should come 100% of the responsibility. The only things men need to concern themselves with is 1. whether or not to have sex and if in the affirmative, 2. where to send the monthly check. I suppose No. 1 should be dismissed as (in a progressive world) both men and women have no control when it comes to their baser instincts; but in a responsible world it shouldn't take an aspirin for anyone to act accordingly.

    If the fathers of these unborn children were to have "equal" responsibility for them before and after birth (we are talking about equality nowadays, aren't we?) I suspect there would be far less pregnancies. But until that happens, the question remains: why should men be saddled with so much responsibility?

    I suppose men should follow the example of the progressive poster boy Bill Clinton when it comes to behaving responsibly. Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of men who behave untowardly, but rarely is one the President of the United States - so in my humblest of opinions, Bill should get top billing - and a cigar named after him to boot.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:32 am on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1508

    Chuckles I don't know if there is anything wrong with your intellect I think you have a complete lack of material. The conservative ideology is being quickly eroded away. It appears liberals have made further strides with the repeal of DOMA liberal policies have turned a faltering economy and the democratic party gains ground with acceptance being one of it's core values. What else can you do but whistle past the graveyard.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 8:44 am on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Do ytou understand the concept of passing off lies as fact? Next time, email Obama and see how he does it.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:48 am on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Ed, I see you have taken up the whining stupidity. I was not going to comment on it but frankly I thought better of you. You have to understand that every time Mr. Chapman makes that charge it makes me happy. Like personal attacks it is a device not to respond to what your opponent is saying. When one uses something like that all one is admitting is that the lack the intellectual heft to make answering argument. When Jerome calls Liberalism "Liberalism/progressivism is a disease of the soul” he is doing the same thing. When Mr Chapman or Jerome engage in that sort of behavior all I think is that I have won another debate. I also wonder why someone would admit it publicly that they are not smart enough to marshall their arguments. I know their behavior comes from watching and listening to the likes of Fox news or Rush Limbaugh but it still it makes one wonder.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:41 am on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    [thumbup]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:41 am on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1459

    [thumbup]

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 11:39 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 517

    Joanne: Glad to see you got away with that aspirin comment, I would get bounced for sure had I tried it. I can think of one thing that makes you smile more than the whining of liberals, dogs running free at the local dog park.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:52 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Welcome back Darrell. We missed you. OK I lied

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:15 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Robert you do understand the concept of "irony"? [smile]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:16 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    What I said to Joe Baxter seems appropriate here. Do and Joe get your head together to come up with these comments?

    As usual the beauty and magnificence of your arguments leave me breathless. I am not sure if it was unparalleled logic, your soaring rhetoric or your amazing concise use of the English language. Whatever it was you can be sure I got the same feeling I always get when reading your amazingly lucid and well thought out comments.

     
  • Quan Pham posted at 6:15 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    qpham63 Posts: 31

    Ah yes, pearls of wisdom from Mike Adams. We are so much better now that our economy has vastly improved in the past four years under Obama.

    I feel so much better in this economy don't you all?

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:59 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1380

    And yet, he is proving to be a very able spokesperson for the new GOP!!

    Sound bites like ".....does it get any better? Thanks for the laughs."

    Joanne: maybe you should listen to Limbaugh. His entire three hours is comprised almost entirely of tired worn out cliches which are the only things that excite his now brain-dead listeners. And let's not forget the "limbaugh echo" which is nothing more than his brain-dead listeners calling into other shows or fellow conservatives repeating his same stupid sound bites.

    And the GOP thinks it has a problem attracting voters (or this is what some of them are saying), yet they blame everyday, the very people they are trying to attract. Let me echo: "...does it get any better? Thanks for the laughs".

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 4:52 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Hawww !! Whining about whining, does it get any better? Thanks for the laughs.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:45 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Fantastic, Mr. Chang!

    I'd only make a couple of corrections:

    Darrell - Bill O'Reilly WITH Sean Hannity, and now they are joined at the hip, but still back-peddling as fast as they can.

    Tea Party Kim - More like Ann Coulter (but now Ann has taken a few of those "mother's little helpers" to take the edge off).

    Ed - a combination of Ed Schultz (for unbridled bravado) and Oliver North (for going around poking people in the chest and demanding to know about their military credentials).

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:30 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Chapman wrote: "Few things make me smile more than reading the whinings of liberals."

    Interesting comment considering that 99% of the Letters to the Editor are from right wingers whining about everything from killing babies to the lousy economy that they refuse to acknowledge was the result of 8 disastrous years of a George Walker Bush administration.

    We even have righties crying about dead babies and claiming that WOMEN are solely to blame because THEY are the ones that, in this fantasy world, make all the family planning decisions, or have an abortion and then go out the next day and, how can I put this nicely, don't bother to put that aspirin between their knees and then repeat the whole process all over again. Of course, men are never to blame for pregnancies and abortions in the contorted little world of immoral liberal women that one righty believes exists.

    And Mr. Chapman, of all people, states that liberals whining make him smile while he has NEVER contributed one iota of conversation other than to make insults. He must have been one heck of a boss of all of those 5000 employees he had in his company. I'll bet they all looked up to him when he no doubt explained in no uncertain terms what trash they were.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:25 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Sorry got it in my head that you were Walter and not Ed. Senior moment.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:22 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Walter sometimes I think you are a genius. I disagree on Kim and Ed. I think they are more than capable of rational dialog.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:11 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Of course I said that he was technically correct, which he most certainly was. I know that context and nuance are not in the black and white world you live in but you might at least try to understand some of the simpler things your opponents are saying. I did not see much bashing of Conservatives though there were a few attacks on you and Jerome.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 3:55 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Walt Posts: 1117

    When you think "blank" just get a mental picture of "blank"

    Colonel Chapman - Rush Limbaugh

    Jerry - Mike Huckabee

    Andrew - Glenn Beck

    Darrell - Bill O'Reilly

    Tea Party Kim - Newt Gingrich

    Ed - Ann Coulter

    [smile]

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 3:42 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    I find it interesting that Mr. Duffy's letter was to simply correct a wrong statement published in a previous letter. In defense, the liberals come out of the woodwork to bash every conservative they can. Say one thing they don't like about one of their little liberal idols and they go ballistic. Whining is their specialty. Their favorite retort is " yeah, but what about ------------", fill in the name.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:28 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    No harm no foul. Don't worry about it ,Walter. It often gets off track. If you notice I said he was technically correct. Walter, it is never too late as long as good people keep trying. Despair and giving up are not in the American vernacular. That is our history.

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 2:53 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    the old dog Posts: 517

    Mr. Lucas: Seems the folks that pull the strings at the LNS didn`t like my comment, well maybe I was harsh, but there was never any malice intended. You along with most other posters got off the track, since it was about Bill and the reason he was impeached.

    In my condemned post, Mr. Kinderman states we should find common ground before it is to late, Jerome, I believe it is already to late. Now is everybody happy. Did I make the cut. smile]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:07 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Pick an issue. Lets talk

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:59 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Mr Walters your wish to suffocate me has been noted. Your way of getting together is to wish those who disagree with you die. How American of you. This country is not a right wing fanatic country. On these pages they are vastly over represented as the polls and the last election showed. If the south could get over the Civil War the right wing crazies that control the Republican party would have no power at all. There are plenty of reasonable people left in this country they are just not found in the Republican party. We are a nation of centrists. Some to the left like me and many to the right. Those are the people who will run this country. First the right wing crazies have got to go and they are on the way out. The president is a man of the center who in spite of being black won the last election easily. Think of the implications of that electorally for the Republican party for the future.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:42 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Joanne your mistake is in thinking that Mr Chapman or Jerome are Conservatives.All real Conservatives left the Republican party. What is left are right wing fanatics. Is there really any difference between Michelle Bachman, Rush Limbaugh, Joe Walsh, Steven King and our two hero's of the right? When you think Robert Chapman or Jerome Kinderman just get a mental picture of Sarah Palin. That is who they really are. Where is the difference?
    The American people are coming around. People with ideology of Robert and Jerome had their day in the sun. People saw what happened when their ideology ran the country. I am not sure what is going to happen to the Republican party but if they do not put any control over the fanatics such as Jerome or Robert they are done for and a new real Conservative party will emerge without the crazies. I enjoy the belittling statements and their refusal to engage in any meaningful debate. It is hard to get mad at dinosaurs in their last days.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:25 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Interesting. I have read many of your comments over a period of time and I yet to see you make a case. Pontificate? Yes, Make pronouncements from on high? Yes. Repeat ring talking points? Yes. Make sneering, belittling comments about those who disagree with Always. Make a clear reasoned argument about anything. Never

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:52 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Kinderman's understanding:

    "When conservatives err, we're taken to task and then set the record straight - we even offer apologies when warranted. When liberals/progressives err, they make excuses and whine about "gotcha" moments."

    My actual response (in quotes) to Mr. Chapman's correction of my error of "reading comprehension" with additional explanatory comments:

    "Apparently." (Yes - I apparently DO lack reading comprehension skills.)

    "I guess you accomplished a "gotcha," Mr. Chapman." (Congratulations, Mr. Chapman, you caught my error and I'm glad you set me straight on this issue.)

    "I have to attribute the late hour and worrying whether a loved one was going to make it home alive." (The post was made at 2:55AM while I was worried about my daughter driving home alone from a long trip.)

    "But not an excuse for missing that key sentence." (But whatever the situation I have no real excuse for missing that sentence in Mr. Lucas's letter.)


    If that is what YOU call "whining," Mr. Kinderman, then you have a very skewed view of the world. Something that is not exactly a newsflash in this forum.

    But let me correct my "whining" and plead mea culpa (AGAIN) for overlooking that key sentence in a manner that is more comprehensible and/or acceptable to your high and mightyness:

    THANK YOU, MR. CHAPMAN. I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE FOR MAKING AN ERROR. PLEASE, PLEASE FORGIVE ME OR MY LIFE WILL TRULY BE RUINED!!

    And thanks to mental midgets like Sarah Palin - the use of "gotcha" has become a DIRTY WORD instead of a colloquialism for, "I got you."

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 12:37 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    I should have known better than to "talk" with this bunch...

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:27 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Liberalism/progressivism is a disease of the soul. Sadly, most on the left don't even believe we possess a soul - that would mean accepting the existence of something bigger and more important than ourselves."

    It never ceases to amaze me that so-called conservatives have the audacity to make such claims as those above.

    "A disease of the soul?" "Most on the left don't even believe we possess a soul?"

    Those are the types of statements that make conservatives look ridiculous - especially when they claim that they have cornered the market on morality. I believe it was this same commenter who recently stated words to the effect that "only conservative women" possessed morality.

    If having a belief in social justice is amoral, then someone needs to tell A WHOLE LOT of nuns and other people of faith who work with the poor that they're souls are diseased.

    This is just another reason Mr. Kinderman should have a good sit-down with his pastor or other religious leader and find out if these types of opinions are truly valid. I would bet that he would be shocked at the answer.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:07 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    LOL, I rest my case.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:28 am on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Not really. The radical right wing ideology you represent is going the way of the dodo bird. You have taken over the Republican party and have driven all reasonable people ( I believe you call them rino's) out. The Republican party to survive has to get rid of those who think like you otherwise it will be just a rump party of the south. The Republican party like the Soviet Union one day will just collapse under the weight of its insane thinking. Only this time no one will be surprised.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:20 am on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Jerome, I am sorry you live in such a scary world. Do you want me to get you a blankie?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:33 am on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    I've always believed we should "sit down and talk," but I've never suggested that we give an inch on those things we hold most dear. Unfortunately, we'll never find common ground - until it IS too late. I believe we're either at that point right now, or it's getting very, VERY close.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:32 am on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Very telling that "moveon.org" is referred to as a "far left group" while the TEA Party Patriots are NOT referred to as a FAR RIGHT group, which they are.

    And as someone who once trounced President Obama's mother, of all people, as an irresponsible hippy, I find it rich that this person is now lecturing about "civil discourse."

    Michelle Bachman, the TEA Party Queen, had to actually RUN AWAY from a CNN Reporter when she was asked about all the lies she told at CPAC about the president. And STILL irrelevant TEA Party backer Sarah Palin had to made a birther comment at the same conference.

    Civil discourse indeed!

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:31 am on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    You are absolutely correct Ms. Parigoris, but since our ideologies are so out of sync with one another (practically no points that overlap), our nation is on its downhill slide. I had hoped that this moment wouldn't occur during my lifetime (or the lifetimes of my children and grandchildren), yet here we are.

    Liberalism/progressivism is a disease of the soul. Sadly, most on the left don't even believe we possess a soul - that would mean accepting the existence of something bigger and more important than ourselves. But they believe "we" are the beginning and the end - there's nothing else. What a sad way to exist - no moral absolutes; just living day-to-day with a finger to the wind to guide them.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:11 am on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2350

    When conservatives err, we're taken to task and then set the record straight - we even offer apologies when warranted. When liberals/progressives err, they make excuses and whine about "gotcha" moments.

    I understand now.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:00 am on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Do not despair about Robert or Jerome for that matter. They will always find someone to vent their anger and resentment on. It is who they are and they are enjoying themselves.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:57 am on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Yes, we have all noticed how the various Tea Parties represented by the likes of Michelle Bachman, Ted Cruz, Joe Walsh, Rand Paul, Jim Dement etc have been so civl with the President and the Democratic Party. That and the fact that on economic issues the Tea party present would be an economic disaster for the country says that it is pointless. The sad truth is the Tea Party people are out of touch with the realities of the modern world. Thank God the movement is dying.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:43 am on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1508

    Interesting first the right is going to all they can to deny Obama a second term bolstered by their victories in 2010 the go complete obstructionist on us. Fast forward to 2012 and their complete lack of understanding of the demographics of this country along with their outdated policies cost them seats in both houses and gives Obama a second term and now they want to sit down and talk. Better late than never.

    I'm also wondering how funny Robert thought the last elections were did you get a chuckle over that, I'm guessing probably not.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:37 am on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Only seems logical if Republicans and Ken Starr really, really hated Clinton - which they did (and still do).

    I suppose George Walker Bush had to divert funds that could have gone toward investigating 9/11 toward starting two unnecessary wars - apparently a greater priority.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 9:34 am on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Partisan bickering, name calling and dogmatic adherence to ones party is going to be the nail in the coffin of this country. "United We Stand, Divided We Fall" Even Joan Blades, cofounder of the far left group "moveon.org" and Mark Meckler, cofounder of Tea Party Patriots are working to find Common Ground, and restore civil discourse in this country- before it is too late..http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/12/moveon-tea-party-cofounde_n_2863079.html

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:18 am on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Could you be a little more specific? Oh, my bad. Debate is not your thing. Pontificating from high is.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 9:03 am on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Few things make me smile more than reading the whinings of liberals.[smile]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:29 am on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    and the 9/11 omission commission's total budget was $15 million...

    Does that seem logical?
    [sleeping]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:17 am on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Sorry to break it to you, Joanne but only right wing Republicans such as our esteemed Mr Chapman are perfect. The rest of us will just have to make do. [smile]

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:59 am on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Mr Duffy is of course technically right in his letter

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:58 am on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Apparently. I guess you accomplished a "gotcha," Mr. Chapman.

    I have to attribute the late hour and worrying whether a loved one was going to make it home alive. But not an excuse for missing that key sentence.

    Actually, if we want to nit pick, Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice - two trumped up charges that wasted 80 million dollars and ultimately resulted in his acquittal in the Senate.

    But, as usual, those dogged Republicans wasted precious resources trying to convict Clinton of SOMETHING!!

    If only Republicans in Congress today could expend that same energy on moving this country forward instead of their 4PLUS years of obstructionism.

    And the ultimate farce - Newt Gingrich pursuing Clinton for sexual indiscretions while at the same time dipping his own pen in someone else's ink while his wife was gravely ill in the hospital.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 7:48 am on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    He was impeached but not convicted.

    He admitted what he did was wrong and apologized for his behavior

    He patched up his relationship with his wife who is probably going to be our next President

    Upon leaving the Presidency he started a foundation that has helped millions around the world and works hard at this every day

    He is respected and admired across the political spectrum and the world except for the radical right types represented by the likes of Mr Chapman and Mr Kinderman

    He is the elder statesman of the Democratic Party and in prime time gave great speeches at the national conventions.

    If he could run for President today he would be elected in a landslide


    George W Bush has never admitted making a mistake much less atoning for anything

    Upon leaving the Presidency I understand he has taken up painting

    He is reviled across our country and the world

    His own party has essentially disowned him and does not dare let him speak in primetime at their national convention

    He could not be elected to dogcatcher

    My letter was about morality and character. This letter is a typical right wing Republican gotcha moment lacking in substance or nuance. George Strait said it best in one of his songs. "I've come to expect it from you"

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:31 am on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Excerpt from Mr. Lucas' LTE:
    "They (Republicans) impeached a president for an affair between two consenting adults, and said the world was going to end."
    Reading comprehension skills lacking?

     
  • Robert Jacobs posted at 4:41 am on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Robert Jacobs Posts: 298

    They are (law makers, White House officials and the current President) all liars!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:55 am on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr.Lucas did not mention Clinton's impeachment or the reason for it in his letter, so I'm not sure what Mr. Duffy is attempting to prove here.

     

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