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Posted: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 12:00 am

Recent “letters” to your paper concerning the Affordable Care Act appear to be a lame attempt from a few defenders of all things Progressive to hide the true aim of the Affordable Care Act behind a cloud of misinformation.

We need to face reality in that the “act” is actually a statute that was designed to enact many laws that would surely fail should they be offered without the weight of the “health” issue. It is, in fact, a law that would ensure the true desired result of a more controlling government. When former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, while in command of the House of Representatives, told the nation, “We need to pass it into law and then see what’s in it,” she must have thought we were all as dumb as dirt. For once, she might have been on to something.

The “affordable” clothing of this legislation, as a panacea for health issues, is so disingenuous it is even disturbing many of the party faithful. It’s time for the public to wake up and realize that today’s politics — from both aisles — rule all decisions, and that the defeat of that hated other party is paramount.

You may feel the number of “executive action” decisions recently written into law by the president (thought that was Congress’ bailiwick) seems high, but just wait until the November elections, should the liberals remain in control of the Senate. Then with a “lame duck” president and a Senate in the president’s pocket, you can kiss too many of those freedoms we now take for granted good-bye.

Now is the time for an honest change! We simply cannot afford to continue down this “beltway” of lies, misrepresentations and fiscal irresponsible leadership.

Richard Viall

Woodbridge

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55 comments:

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:44 pm on Wed, Apr 30, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "May appear that way..."

    [lol]

    Like the old saying - appearances are everything.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:23 am on Wed, Apr 30, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2978

    Intelligent people investigate. Morons castigate.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:17 am on Wed, Apr 30, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2978

    Not true. It may appear that way to yourself and Bobin because much of my time here is spent correcting the lies and disinformation pumped into your brains by Washington and its presstitute media. Rarely will you or Bobin confront the truth I present on its own terms. Instead, you try to make ME the issue of discussion, and not MY information.

    Is it really that hard to double check a piece of data to confirm whether or not it is true? Apparently, it must be, because the both of you have decided to believe whatever you are told without a second thought. Why? Because you are both so helplessly stuck in the false left/right paradigm it's ridiculous!

    Contesting ignorance is not just the civic duty of the informed, it is also an act of compassion towards those who are not. I'll leave you with this Mr. Barrow, as I have said in the past, BUSH SHOULD BE IN PRISON! The same of course is true of Obama. I'm cautiously optimistic you might someday realize it.
    [wink]

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 2:28 am on Wed, Apr 30, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1330

    [thumbup]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:22 pm on Tue, Apr 29, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1457

    But you do always fall on the right side of it you can claim neutrality but your history says different.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:59 pm on Tue, Apr 29, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2978

    Interesting...I was under the impression Executive Orders were legally binding orders that came from the President.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:36 pm on Tue, Apr 29, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2978


    Another Bobin lie.

    The truth is that I, unlike yourself, am not helplessly stuck in the false left/right paradigm. I don't have to lie.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:57 am on Tue, Apr 29, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Just to put things in perspective, MORE people believe the Government was involved in 9/11 than have enrolled in Obamacare. NOT a rousing success."

    If true - another sad testimony to the lack of intelligence of the general population of the United States.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:55 am on Tue, Apr 29, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Speaking of "unsubstantiated lies," Mr. Liebich continually rails against the left/right paradigm - but always falls on the RIGHT side of it.

    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:53 am on Tue, Apr 29, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Oligarchy. You think we don't live in one.

    In other words - I've got CASH - You want CASH - you'll vote for what I want and we're all happy.

    Don't try to turn oligarchy into dictatorship, Mr. Liebich. We are not stupid - even though YOU think we are.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:50 am on Tue, Apr 29, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Huerer: You know that Andrew just throws out queries and will never tell you the answer - because the answers all come from Infowars or some other conspiracy theory website.

    Bottom line: You are correct. WHO CARES? and "set to "IGNORE."

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:43 am on Tue, Apr 29, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2978

    When Barack Obama took the oath of office, he agreed, before God and our country, that he would "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." In doing so, he also agreed to Article Two, Clause Five of the Constitution which states that the President must "faithfully execute the laws of the land". The word "faithfully" in that statement is clearly defined by Webster's Dictionary as "strict or thorough performance of one's duty." Faithfully does not mean that the President can arbitrarily execute the laws of the land. Nor, does it say he can ignore those parts of the Constitution he doesn't like.

    In our power-balanced system of government, only Congress has the right to create or amend laws; and, once signed into law they become the responsibility of that President and all future President's to "faithfully" execute and uphold them. If, however, the law is somehow unconstitutional, the courts can strike it down; but, not the President. Therein lies the problem with a number of executive orders issued by Obama. Especially those associated with the Affordable Care Act (ACA) that he, himself, signed into law. If he didn't like the mandates of the ACA, including the dates of implementation, he should have vetoed it. That was his right under our Constitution. But, instead, by signing it into law, he agreed to "faithfully" execute it.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:23 pm on Mon, Apr 28, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1330

    Andrew
    Without specifics your "...especially when one has used them to reverse his own legislation..." stands out there meaningless. Whats the issue, whats your point and especially, SO WHAT?
    [huh]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:12 pm on Mon, Apr 28, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2978

    Please explain...

    "I taught Constitutional Law for ten years. I take the Constitution very seriously. The biggest problems that we’re facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all. And that’s what I intend to reverse when I’m president of the United States of America."

    http://youtu.be/a3IWq3CXHyc
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:59 am on Mon, Apr 28, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2978

    Denial may offer comforts you find appealing but in the end it's still denial Mr. Barrow.

    Here is White House press secretary Jay Carney refusing to state how many Obamacare enrollees have actually paid.

    [lol] http://youtu.be/oAqQTZ5vLuQ

    And once again, here is what happened in Oregon just 4 days ago... [sleeping]

    http://www.infowars.com/fake-obamacare-website-creates-illusion-of-successful-signups/


     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:10 am on Mon, Apr 28, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1457

    Joe you and Andrew can cover your ears and stomp your feet all you want it doesn't change the facts. The numbers were released by the CBO and reported by the Obama Administration, the CBO is considered non partisan so it looks like you can put the ACA in the successful liberal program column thanks.

     
  • M. Doyle posted at 12:25 pm on Sun, Apr 27, 2014.

    M Doyle Posts: 31

    Mr. Kinderman, are you suggesting that the president is violating the constitution, and if so, can you elucidate for us the particular executive orders that you feel cross the line?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:11 am on Sun, Apr 27, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2978

    LIke you said Joe, "They LOVE being lied to, it makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside."

    Check this out!
    http://www.infowars.com/fake-obamacare-website-creates-illusion-of-successful-signups/

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:07 am on Sun, Apr 27, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2978

    It's unprecedented. [thumbup]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:51 pm on Sat, Apr 26, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I certainly enjoy the right's ability to quote phrases, the meaning of which they do not even understand, i.e., "pen and phone."

    Tiresome.

    [sleeping]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:26 am on Sat, Apr 26, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    The funny thing is that the liberal sheep actually believe this BS. The "White House" can release any statistics they feel will further their agenda and make them look good, true or not. How mahy people are actually PAYING? The won't release that info, wonder why?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 9:24 am on Sat, Apr 26, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    Actually, the "success" comes from people actually PAYING for their ACA. You can have 100 Million enrollees but if none pay, FAILURE. Payment by the enrolees is something that Ofailure just won't release.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 12:30 am on Sat, Apr 26, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1330

    Excellent Mr Barrow [thumbup]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:04 pm on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2978

    Of course it exists, the White House released it on April 17th.
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/04/17/fact-sheet-affordable-care-act-numbers

    You haven't answered my question! I asked, "Can you provide "some documentation" confirming 8 million enrollees?" You CAN'T nor can the White House.

    When asked to confirm 8 million enrollees White House Press Secretary Carney insisted, 'We're aggregating a lot of data,' REFUSING TO COMMENT on how many Obamacare enrollments came complete with payments, and how few of the customers already had insurance before the law took effect.

    Maybe Obama is using common core math.

    I'll ask again, "Can you provide "some documentation" confirming 8 million enrollees?"

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 5:24 pm on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2324

    Of course it's never been the number (volume) of Executive Orders issued by this current president - it's his purpose for issuing them at all. Clearly, Mr. Obama uses his pen and telephone in order to bypass the Legislative Branch of our government. THAT'S the problem - and it is huge.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:57 am on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2978

    Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens participate equally either directly or indirectly through elected representatives in the proposal, development, and creation of laws. In other words, "We The People"

    Democracy contrasts with forms of government where power is either held by one person, as in a monarchy, or where power is held by a small number of individuals, as in an oligarchy. In other words, "a phone and a pen"
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:43 am on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2978

    "Seems a bit disingenuous to complain about ONE president's EO's and not another's" especially when one has used them to reverse his own legislation and one hasn't.


     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:53 am on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1457

    Actually the White House put out this report with data provided by the Congressional Budget Office I'm sure you wont believe any of it but you can't say it doesn't exist.

    •8 million people signed up for private insurance in the Health Insurance Marketplace.
    •3 million young adults gained coverage thanks to the Affordable Care Act by being able to stay on their parents plan.
    •3 million more people were enrolled in Medicaid and CHIP as of February, compared to before the Marketplaces opened. Medicaid and CHIP enrollment continues year-round.
    •5 million people are enrolled in plans that meet ACA standards outside the Marketplace, according to a CBO estimate. When insurers set premiums for next year, they are required to look at everyone who enrolled in plans that meet ACA standards, both on and off the Marketplace.
    •5.7 million people will be uninsured in 2016 because 24 States have not expanded Medicaid.
    •Health care costs are growing at the slowest level on record
    •CBO projects the deficit will shrink more and premiums will be lower than expected
    •Medicare spending growth is down
    •Up to 129 million Americans with pre-existing conditions – including up to 17 million children – no longer have to worry about being denied health coverage or charged higher premiums because of their health status.
    •71 million Americans with private insurance have gained coverage for at least one free preventive health care
    •In 2013, 37 million people with Medicare received at least one preventive service at no out of pocket cost.
    •Approximately 60 million Americans have gained expanded mental health and substance use disorder benefits and/or federal parity protections.
    •Since the health care law was enacted, almost 8 million seniors have saved nearly $10 billion on prescription drugs as the health care law closes Medicare’s “donut hole.”
    •105 million Americans no longer have to worry about having their health benefits cut off after they reach a lifetime limit.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:48 pm on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Go ahead and tell us, Mr. Liebich.

    I don't have time for useless conspiracy research.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:45 pm on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    What do YOU think?

    YOU, above all people, with all of your conspiracy theories, should NEVER think that "the power of government comes from the people?"

    Do you EVER listen to your nonsense, Mr. Liebich?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:32 pm on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2978

    Obama's own words have left you speechless? I understand.[lol]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:31 pm on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2978

    Clarification: Exactly! [thumbup] Mr. Palmer.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:30 pm on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2978

    Can you provide "some documentation" confirming 8 million enrollees?

    The White House can't. [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:25 pm on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2978

    "We the people" doesn't mean the power of government comes from the people?
    [huh]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:20 pm on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2978

    Do you think Ms. Bobin can come up with 1 executive order signed by Bush that reversed his own legislation?
    [lol]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:05 pm on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1457

    Maybe but I never hear you calling out conservative politicians only liberals. Have you ever taken a shot at Christy, Boehner, Paul or anyone on the right? I would like to hear your opinion on the next Republican candidate for President but I imagine it will just be more unsubstantiated rumors about Hillary.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:01 pm on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1457

    Brian you always seem to be a bit short on information. What liberal media are you talking about and what precedence has Obama set?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:26 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2978

    Exactly! [thumbup]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:24 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2978

    Correct.

    According to the New York Times/CBS News poll, only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11.

    The 84% figure mirrors other recent polls on the same issue. A Canadian Poll put the figure at 85%. A CNN poll had the figure at 89%.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:17 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2978

    Ignoring facts is what you do the best. [rolleyes]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:11 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2978

    Another unsubstantiated lie...

    Rule #4
    Be truthful. Don't lie about anyone or anything. Don't post unsubstantiated allegations, rumors or gossip that could harm the reputation of a person, company or organization.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:55 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1330

    Independent study?
    Can you name it?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:38 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1843

    Mr. Palmer, you don't understand the liberal lemmings. They LOVE being lied to, it makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:30 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2814

    Ms. Bobbin stated:

    I don't recall hearing from him when George Walker Bush issued all 291 EO's (compared to Obama's measly 175).

    -And I don't recall hearing from Ms. Bobbin about even how other Democrats and the Liberal Media are up in arms about the precedents Obama's EOs have set like no other President before him. They haven't exactly praised him.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:20 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2814

    Chuckle,

    But you still defend Obama and never offer a scintilla of criticism for him.
    Never a peep from you and your ilk about the failures of the Obama Admin.

    Ask me anytime about the failures of the Bush Admin. Unlike you, I believe ALL politicians can make mistakes.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:14 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1457

    Before you question people's education in math, economics and government you should provide some documentation for your claims, that is something that's learned in college.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:54 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1457

    The success comes from reaching the number of enrollees that the CBO stated was need for the ACA to remain viable and those numbers where met therefore the implementation was a success despite the efforts of many to derail it.

     
  • jeff palmer posted at 10:20 pm on Wed, Apr 23, 2014.

    boomer Posts: 1

    8,000,000 unverified. independent study shows 865,000 are actually new insurers (part of the 30,000,000 that were uninsured - mostly due to choice, NOT circumstance). Number of policy choices reduced from thousands to four, 20,000,000+ exempted, millions more have lost or about to lose their policies. A PROMISE of a reduction of $2500 in premium that was an absolute bold faced lie. A PROMISE of if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor - a KNOWN BOLD FACED lie. An assumption that somewhere in the law is a rule that the government can transfer the debt of one citizen to another. ANY proponent of this catastrophe apparently skipped math, economics, ethics and government classes in grade school, high school and college.

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 7:38 pm on Wed, Apr 23, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1905

    Just to put things in perspective, MORE people believe the Government was involved in 9/11 than have enrolled in Obamacare. NOT a rousing success.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:47 pm on Wed, Apr 23, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Ed - no need for the refresher course.

    You should be talking to Andrew Liebich who still believes that "We the People," as written in the Constitution, actually means that the will of the people MUST be adhered to.

    You're talking to the wrong person. I already KNOW who runs this country - special interests and anyone with the money to buy what they want.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:43 pm on Wed, Apr 23, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [sleeping][lol]

     
  • Ed Walters posted at 1:17 pm on Wed, Apr 23, 2014.

    the old dog Posts: 440

    J. Bobin, here is a refresher course on our government, the government and everything in DC has been bought, and a deal made for another deal. Everything we think we know only scraches the surface. Though nobody knows what goes on in that situation room, being a fly on the wall would be most interesting concerning deals that are made. The everyday citizen will never know and a guess is our best chance. Everything on TV, Internet and local newspaper are issued by a Whitehouse press release.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:30 pm on Wed, Apr 23, 2014.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2978

    "I taught Constitutional Law for ten years. I take the Constitution very seriously. The biggest problems that we’re facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all. And that’s what I intend to reverse when I’m president of the United States of America."

    http://youtu.be/a3IWq3CXHyc [sleeping]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:32 am on Wed, Apr 23, 2014.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1457

    Richard's newest melodrama has a sense of resignation to it. I think the implementation of the ACA with over 8 million enrolling is the writing on the wall for opponents of Obamacare.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:52 am on Wed, Apr 23, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I'm not sure which newspaper Mr. Viall is referring to when he states that "letters" written "appear to be a lame attempt from a few defenders of all things Progressive to hide the true aim of the Affordable Care Act behind a cloud of misinformation."

    There HAVE been numerous letters written by the usual suspects, i.e. Darrell Baumbach, Sonia Glick, et al, AND the now "anonymous" letter from a plagiarizer on the right, but I don't recall numerous letters from left leaning individuals.

    Perhaps Mr. Viall should review how our government works with regard to Executive Orders in order to fully understand how they are "authorized" by the Constitution under the powers granted to the Executive Branch. Suddenly, we have the right claiming that President Obama is ruling by fiat as if EO's are something new.

    I don't recall hearing from him when George Walker Bush issued all 291 EO's (compared to Obama's measly 175).

    Seems a bit disingenuous to complain about ONE president's EO's and not another's.

    And I'm wondering just which "freedoms" will be taken away if the composition of the House and Senate remain the same?

    More fear mongering from the right with absolutely NO substantiation.

     

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