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Wade Heath

Posted: Thursday, April 5, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 8:09 am, Sat Apr 7, 2012.

The Department of Homeland Security posted in an announcement online on Monday that they would be issuing "unlawful presence waivers" to illegal immigrants in order to stop them from being deported. The catch is that the illegal aliens will need to prove they have a family member who is a legal American citizen in order to qualify for the waiver.

So, to be clear, all you have to do is have an association with someone, a "family member," in order to stay put illegally in the country, and that illegal action is approved by the Department of Homeland Security.

I get the appeal though; living in America is quite the hot prospect for people around the world who are oppressed and long for liberty and prosperity. And that's where legal immigration comes in. Our founders understood the importance of such an idea if their new nation was to be a successful one. We invite those who want to better themselves and their futures to this place because it makes us better, it makes us stronger. But what tears us down and throws a stick in the spoke of our wheel are those who disrespect this country by coming here illegally.

It has long been a hot-button issue. Millions of people, from mainly south of the border, illegally cross the border into the United States every year. They come here for jobs, money, and opportunity; it's a testament to how the USA is admired by free-minded people everywhere. However, these millions of illegal immigrants are taxing on the American infrastructure. Emergency rooms to public schools are flooded with illegal children, brought here whether they wanted to come along or not by their parents.

The issue, like many social problems, is divisive according to the media. To me, it's simple to understand. Illegal immigration has been used as a political ploy for decades among the GOP and Democrats. They have no intention of getting anything done concerning the epidemic. It's easier to play politics with humans.

Need I remind those bleeding-heart politicians that our prison systems are full of illegals gone bad, committing crimes against our own legal citizens?

Of course, there is bad in every group. But honest illegals should show respect for our country by honoring our laws and taking their desire to the back of the line instead of breaking our federal laws. There are plenty of people attempting to become legal citizens of America the right way, and they wait in a never-ending line of paperwork and bureaucracy while others waltz right in.

Even more of a travesty is how under President Obama, the Department of Justice had filed legal action against several individual states to stop them from trying to enforce immigration laws because, as they claim, it's up to the federal level, not the state. If that doesn't send the message that the federal government isn't concerned with the invasion of illegals, I don't know what is.

Clearly the states are acting because either the feds aren't acting at all, or they need help. Instead of allowing the assistance, the federal level wastes time and money pursuing legal action against each offending state. That doesn't make any sense.

Unless you're California, then you act in favor of illegals. Like in the fall of 2011, California Gov. Jerry Brown decided it would be the right thing to do to approve the "DREAM Act," a bill designed by the very progressive California state legislature that called for public funding of illegal immigrant students' college education. Yep, giving the money of scarce scholarships and financial aid to law breaking immigrant students over hardworking, legal citizens — so fair! — and in the middle of the state's worst financial crisis ever, as state schools hiked tuition costs at every possible turn.

The rule of law should be held to the highest standard — not some liberal ideology of handing out taxpayer cash to illegal students in order to turn them into "contributing members of society." No one is above the law, and yet the highest government level executive of the state of California spit on the rule of law, without regard to legal, taxpaying citizens. There was no good argument that could justify that bill being signed into law. It is void of any merit because of the underlying criminal act of the immigrants being there in the first place.

There are many wonderful, well-intentioned people in America who are illegal. But they still broke the law. I cannot get past that. We are a nation of laws and those laws should be respected, not phased out by new policies that lack logic by the department we trust to protect us.

Columnist Wade Heath is a contributing editor to NationalTalkLive.com. He can be reached at wade.lodi@gmail.com.

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96 comments:

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:39 am on Thu, Apr 19, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Bennett stated...People need to learn the facts. Not blindly follow propaganda like mindless sheep...
    Also... Question: Islamists extremists: Who are they most similar to? a) Conservative Extremists
    b) Liberial Extremists


    and you have the facts? I couldn't agree more with your statement above, but you appear to be one of the mindless sheep...

    For example, you refer to Islamic terrorists as a very small faction as if it is incidental... I guess it depends on how you define it. May I ask, do you consider Islamic law ( Sharia Law), which is the forth largest legal system in the world as a threat. In my view, this gives dangerous teeth to the religious practices that Islam promotes. A Islamic man can kill an infidel and not face murder charges if there was valid religious reasons for the kill. This is organized, well financed and part of the culture... this goes way beyond a few Islamic terrorists that was responsible for 9/11.

    So the answer to your question is that Islamic terrorists have no similarities at all to either far right conservatives or far left liberals in United States... The Islamic extremists have religion and law built into one where we have separation of church and state. That is why the political leader of Iran is subject to the religious power of the Ayatollah.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 9:58 pm on Wed, Apr 18, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mrbb: On what channel in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kurdistan or Iran might one find: "Fueled by conservative extremist talk show radios and bloggers, some are going down this path.????? Check baggage claims.

     
  • Bradley Bennett posted at 9:10 pm on Sun, Apr 15, 2012.

    bennettsw Posts: 22

    Pat: "mr bb: Did you leave your brain at the bus stop?"

    I believe based on the content of our postings who’s brain has been left at the bus stop.

    Islamist terroists are people that have been brain washed by propganda to create fear of and dehumainze a segement of the population.

    Fueled by conservative extremist talk show radios and bloggers, some are going down this path.

    Islamist terrorists are't the first, and unfortunately they will not be the last.

    People need to learn the facts. Not blindly follow propaganda like mindless sheep.

     
  • Bradley Bennett posted at 8:57 pm on Sun, Apr 15, 2012.

    bennettsw Posts: 22

    Andy: "Bradley,
    Mr.Heath's column and the discussion is about illegal immigration and unlawful presence waivers. If you wish to discuss Sara Palin..."

    Numb nut, I know you are a little slow, but if you didn't notice in my previuos posting I agreed I was off topic and explained why. And I was not the first, nor the last, to go off topic.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 10:02 am on Sun, Apr 15, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mr bb: Did you leave your brain at the bus stop? What an assinine question, followed by an even more idiotic statement. You honestly think you can compare ANY group of people in this country to Islamic extremists??? Go occupy something else other than the space on this site. Geeeezzzzzz!!!!!!

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:51 am on Sun, Apr 15, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Bradley,
    Mr.Heath's column and the discussion is about illegal immigration and unlawful presence waivers. If you wish to discuss Sara Palin, the Tea Party or Islamic extremists I suggest you write a letter to the editor or visit one of the other threads where the discussion concerns those topics.

    Sara Palin, the Tea Party movement or Islamic extremists are certainly not a "core issue to this dicussion"

     
  • Bradley Bennett posted at 10:14 pm on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    bennettsw Posts: 22

    Yep, I confess. I went off topic and brought ultra conservative theology into the discussion. e.e. Sarah Palin. The reason I did so is because thie is core issue to this dicussion.

    Many times through history, there are examples of charasmetic figures using propganda and misinformation (lies) to gain a followers of people that are susceptible to these ploys. Usually for political reasons but more recently for entertainment (e.g. ego or $$$) reasons.

    The "Tea Party" movement is the most recent example of the early stages of such a movement.

    Question: Islamists extremists: Who are they most similar to?

    a) Conservative Extremists
    b) Liberial Extremists

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:49 am on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Darrell,
    The NAU/SPP is 100% manifestly provable.

    The Kansas City SMARTPORT is already flying the flags of Mexico and Canada.
    see here: http://www.uaff.us/newgebaur2.jpg

    18 states have introduced resolutions calling on their federal representatives to halt work on the North American Union (they include Virginia and South Carolina).

    3 of these states (Idaho, Montana and Oklahoma) have passed their resolutions
    Oklahoma, which is in the path of the NAFTA superhighway component of the North American Union passed their resolution in the Senate 97-0.

    22 U.S. Congressmen, including NC's Virginia Foxx and Walter Jones, have signed on as co-sponsors of HCR40, which calls on the executive branch to end all work on the North American Union and NAFTA superhighway.

    If the North American Union is a myth why is it that Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) documents released under the FOIA show that a wide range of US administrative law is being re-written in stealth under this program to "integrate" and "harmonize" with administrative law in Mexico and Canada, just as has become commonplace within the EU?

    The documents contain references to upwards of 13 working groups within an entire organized infrastructure that has drawn from officials within most areas of administrative government including U.S. departments of State, Homeland Security, Commerce, Treasury, Agriculture, Transportation, Energy, Health and Human Services, and the office of the U.S. Trade Representative.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:30 am on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Andrew... to what extent to you agree with this video as to the NAU?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:34 am on Fri, Apr 13, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Darrell,
    The manifestly provable factual basis of the matter is that the unlawful presence waivers and the non enforcement of existing immigration laws are part of a much broader agenda...

    http://youtu.be/vuBo4E77ZXo

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:49 pm on Thu, Apr 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Liebich stated... I believe we would all much rather argue with you about illegal immigration and unlawful presence waivers.

    Exactly. However, it is difficult to discuss when Ms Bobin is so busy calling everyone stupid and extreme. Maybe we could simply discuss the issues as Andrew has done. He asks in a respectful way that makes it easier to respond.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:40 pm on Thu, Apr 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    CONTINUED...

    Mr Bennett stated...This the main problem with conservative extremists... they form their opinions from conservative talk shows, blogs... that are obviously (to me, at least) distorting, inventing or selectively picking facts to gain followers.
    Then Mr Baumbach stated... If Mr Bennentt were appropriately educated, he would not try to stereotype conservatives as extreme or incapable of intellectually approaching a subject. I do not in reality assume all liberals are as bigoted towards conservatives as Mr Bennett. Many liberals and conservatives are thinkers and analyze events. We all see things through different prisms...

    Then Mr Baumbach stated... If Pat and Wade are extremists, then so is Mr Bennett and Ms Bobin along with 70 % of the entire adult population.
    Then Mr Bennett stated... Thanks for providing yet another example of how conservative extremists manufacture date to support their views. I'm actually an independent. I was planning on voting for Senator McCain last presidential before he he made the disasterous decison to make “SARAH PALIN” his VP running mate. If it wasn't for that decision, he would be President today. ( Mr Bennett calling Palin an extremist.

    Ms Bobin stated... Sarah Palin's appearance on the "Today Show" was a clear example of her relevance "today," so to speak. She performed a parody of every fubar she was ever associated with 4 years ago....a perfect example of what her contribution to society is today....A JOKE!!!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:39 pm on Thu, Apr 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405


    Ms Bobins reality is quite distorted... too many pink bunnies in her view apparently.

    Ms Bobin stated...I did not bring Sarah Palin, et.al., into the conversation. These were comments made by other posters who love to divert the conversation by dredging up information from other threads in order to discredit certain posters. Mr. Baumbach, Mr. Chapman, and Mr. Baxter happen to be some of the prime culprits in this aspect...
    Lets examine just who said what? The first time Palin was mentioned, by Mr Bennett, not me. He called her an extremist. Ms Bobin and Mr Bennett were so busy characterizing conservative perspective as extreme, it required a little balance and reality. Of course the entire “extremist “ comments are off topic. Unfortunately however, when inflammatory statements are made by Bobin types, of course a response is required.
    Mr Liebich was participating in immigration quite well, I did not think my contribution to the subject was important at all. As you can read, I only participated in defense of silly remarks that characterize conservatives in a false light. Mr Liebich reality was in line with mine

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:30 am on Thu, Apr 12, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich, my initial "beef" about Wade Heath's column was the misinformation he includes which was clearly outlined by Mr. Bennett. Subsequent efforts to pinpoint those inaccuracies where ignored, discarded, and generally derided by others. I cannot take responsibility for those individuals.

    I did not bring Sarah Palin, et.al., into the conversation. These were comments made by other posters who love to divert the conversation by dredging up information from other threads in order to discredit certain posters. Mr. Baumbach, Mr. Chapman, and Mr. Baxter happen to be some of the prime culprits in this aspect.

    I do appreciate your efforts to keep the conversation on topic.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:25 am on Thu, Apr 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    By the way Ms Bobin... just for clarity sake... me saying to Andrew " there you go again" was about as facetious as I could be...

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:21 am on Thu, Apr 12, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Darrell stated... Andrew... there you go again. Why would anyone think its illegal for someone to enter our country illegally without proper documentation

    Ms Bobin stated... Neither myself nor Mr. Bennett is arguing about illegals not being illegal. Once again, the less than intelligent in this forum are unable to understand what EXACTLY is WRONG information Wade Heath's column. ( My post was about what Andrew stated... not you)

    Ms Bobin... you are always entertaining. I was intentionally being absurd about the obvious...and mentioned your name as I knew you would respond in an absurd way. You rarely disappoint. You have become so predictable in your absurdity that it does not take much to help you look and be it. I think you are lost unless you quote the Stewart show... or are visiting with your pink rabbits.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:26 am on Thu, Apr 12, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Darrell,
    Was that the "clarity" you spoke of? LOL... A piece writen by Fred L. Koestler? Interesting read Bradley. I'm baffled as to why you conclude I disagree with or dispute anything Mr. Koestler said though.

    "Mexico excluded Texas from the Bracero labor-exchange program" TRUE.

    "Studies conducted over a period of several years indicate that the Bracero program increased the number of illegal aliens in Texas and the rest of the country." TRUE.

    "The number of illegal aliens coming from Mexico increased by 6,000 percent." TRUE.

    "It is estimated that in 1954 before Operation etback got under way, more than a million workers had crossed the Rio Grande illegally." TRUE.

    "the open-border policy of the American government posed a threat to the security of the United States." TRUE.

    Here is an interesting "fact" for you Bradley according to factcheck.org.

    "Officially, just over 2.1 million were recorded as having been deported or having departed under threat of deportation." factcheck.org's SOURCE: Koestler, Fred L. "Operation etback" Handbook of Texas Online, Texas State Historical Association Undated, accessed 30 Jun 2010.

    The same Fred L. Koestler who in your link said, "It is difficult to estimate the number of illegal aliens forced to leave by the operation." "The INS claimed as many as 1,300,000, though the number officially apprehended did not come anywhere near this total."

    ROFLMAO...

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:17 am on Thu, Apr 12, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999


    "Neither myself nor Mr. Bennett is arguing about illegals not being illegal." Correct Ms. Bobin.

    You are arguing about Sara Palin, Darrell, Mr.Baxter, Mr.Dockter, Mr.Maple, Mr.Chapman, Mr.Francis, Mr.Scott, Ms.Joerke, Mr.Bundy, Mr.Mills, Mr.Kindseth, myself and Wade Heath.

    I believe we would all much rather argue with you about illegal immigration and unlawful presence waivers.

    As far as "the dumbest statement so far" I believe that was responding to "we could secure our own borders if we really wanted to" with...

    "the US has had to make sure that all of the oppressed North Koreans do not escape from North Korea and go and look for food in South Korea. After all, how could South Korea afford to feed them and provide jobs for them? And give them their freedom?"
    "I suppose you also think that the US and allied forces secured the border between East Berlin and West Berlin to keep all the commies from escaping from East Berlin."

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:08 pm on Wed, Apr 11, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich stated: "As I already stated earlier, "The cold, hard reality of the matter is that we have tightly secured the border between South Korea and North Korea for over 50 years and we could secure our own borders if we really wanted to."

    This has to be the dumbest statement so far. Yes, Andrew, the US has had to make sure that all of the oppressed North Koreans do not escape from North Korea and go and look for food in South Korea. After all, how could South Korea afford to feed them and provide jobs for them? And give them their freedom?

    I suppose you also think that the US and allied forces secured the border between East Berlin and West Berlin to keep all the commies from escaping from East Berlin.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:02 pm on Wed, Apr 11, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach stated: "Andrew... there you go again. Why would anyone think its illegal for someone to enter our country illegally without proper documentation? Why else would the Dream Act be enacted to reward the unlawful activity that took place Just ask Ms Bobin and your friend Mr Bennett. They will clarify it all for you."

    Neither myself nor Mr. Bennett is arguing about illegals not being illegal. Once again, the less than intelligent in this forum are unable to understand what EXACTLY is WRONG information Wade Heath's column. No point in trying any further to explain to those who CHOOSE not to comprehend and would rather rant about a totally different topic.

     
  • Bradley Bennett posted at 3:42 pm on Wed, Apr 11, 2012.

    bennettsw Posts: 22

    From "Federal Register / Vol. 77, No. 63 / Monday, April 2, 2012 / Proposed Rules":

    "...immigrant visa application. USCIS now PROPOSES to AMEND its regulations to
    allow certain immediate relatives of U.S. citizens who are physically present
    in the United States to request provisional unlawful presence waivers
    under the Immigration and Nationality Act OF >>>> 1952<<<, as amended (INA or Act), prior to departing from the United States for consular processing of their
    immigrant visa applications...."

    To put simply, this is a minor tweak to a regulation that is over 60 years old. The tweak is to allow the illegal immigrant to apply for a hardship waiver in the US, not in their home country. And the proposal does not "lower the bar" for approval of the waiver.

     
  • Bradley Bennett posted at 2:39 pm on Wed, Apr 11, 2012.

    bennettsw Posts: 22

    Andrew Liebich:
    "On June 17, 1954, under the direction of President Eisenhower, Immigration and Nationalization Service (INS) began a roundup of illegal immigrants for .."

    Once again Andrew you show your ignorance and reliance on lies and propaganda spouted by conservative bloggers. (search for "On June 17, 1954, under the direction of President Eisenhower, Immigration") and you can see Andrew cut and pasted from bloggers.

    Take a look here at the facts from the "Texas State Historical Association". This was a shameful time in out countries history.

    http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/pqo01

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:07 am on Wed, Apr 11, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Andrew stated...Illegal means illegal, right? Unlawful means unlawful, doesn't it?

    Andrew... there you go again. Why would anyone think its illegal for someone to enter our country illegally without proper documentation? Why else would the Dream Act be enacted to reward the unlawful activity that took place.

    Just ask Ms Bobin and your friend Mr Bennett. They will clarify it all for you.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:12 am on Wed, Apr 11, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Ms. Bobin,
    Being illegally within our borders is a crime. What do you think our immigration courts do? They deport people that broke our country's immigration laws and are here ILLEGALLY!

    As I already stated earlier, "The cold, hard reality of the matter is that we have tightly secured the border between South Korea and North Korea for over 50 years and we could secure our own borders if we really wanted to."

    Let's put the lack of immigration law enforcement by both the Obama and Bush administrations into proper context...

    On June 17, 1954, under the direction of President Eisenhower, Immigration and Nationalization Service (INS) began a roundup of illegal immigrants for deportation. The roundup initially began in California and Arizona but eventually spread to Texas, Utah , Nevada and Idaho. By the end of the next month, more than 50,000 illegal immigrants had been arrested between California and Arizona. In Texas, 80,000 illegal immigrants had been taken into custody in under two months with an estimated 500,000 to 700,000 leaving the state voluntarily or "self-deporting." With only 750 federal agents, compared to the reported 20,000 agents we have today, the INS removed 1.3 million illegal immigrants (including those who self-deported) in just three months.


     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:27 am on Tue, Apr 10, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich wrote: "If the "presence" is "unlawful" isn't it just a little bit stupid to grant a waiver?
    Illegal means illegal, right? Unlawful means unlawful, doesn't it?

    LOL... Apparently Bradley Bennett is joining those who choose willful ignorance over thoughtful critical thinking due to their own intellectual laziness... "

    If YOU won't READ what the proposed change says, Mr. Liebich, then you are the ignorant one because you are actually talking out of your nether region.

    Thanks to Wade Heath's misinformation about this, every expert on immigration law in this forum now has an opinion. This is why columnists like Wade Heath and Joe Guzzardi write this stuff - to deliberately misinform and stir up emotion about a very contentious issue (although I give Heath the benefit of the doubt because he has never proven himself to be the sharpest tool in the shed - I think HE really thinks his version of the change is the correct one).

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:20 am on Tue, Apr 10, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    For Mr. Liebich at 5:12PM on 4/9: (I won't apologize for YOUR ignorance)

    If you don't like DHS - take it up with GW Bush - he created the agency.

    3. Legal Authority (for the proposed change)
    The Secretary of Homeland Security's authority for this proposed procedural change can be found in the Homeland Security Act of 2002, Public Law 107-296, section 102, 116 Stat. 2135, 6 U.S.C. 112, and section 103 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA or the Act), 8 U.S.C. 1103, which give the Secretary the authority to administer and enforce the immigration and nationality laws. The Secretary's discretionary authority to waive the ground of inadmissibility for unlawful presence can be found in INA section 212(a)(9)(B)(v), 8 U.S.C. 1182(a)(9)(B)(v). The regulation governing certain inadmissibility waivers is 8 CFR 212.7, and the fee schedule for waiver requests is found at 8 CFR 103.7

    Homeland Security Act of 2002
    The Homeland Security Act of 2002 was signed into law on November 25, 2002 (Pub. L. 107-296) in response to the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. The Act brought together approximately 22 separate federal agencies to establish the Department of Homeland Security and sets forth the primary missions of the Department. The Act has been amended over 30 times since its original passage.


     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:15 pm on Mon, Apr 9, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    If the "presence" is "unlawful" isn't it just a little bit stupid to grant a waiver?
    Illegal means illegal, right? Unlawful means unlawful, doesn't it?

    LOL... Apparently Bradley Bennett is joining those who choose willful ignorance over thoughtful critical thinking due to their own intellectual laziness...

     
  • Bradley Bennett posted at 5:43 pm on Mon, Apr 9, 2012.

    bennettsw Posts: 22

    Andrew Liebich\:
    "The U.S. Constitution does not grant DHS the power to change immigration laws. That is a power regulated to Congress. I will not apologize for your ignorance."

    Cut and paste, And-tard. Need a link?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:12 pm on Mon, Apr 9, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Wakey Wakey Bradley,

    The U.S. Constitution does not grant DHS the power to change immigration laws. That is a power regulated to Congress. I will not apologize for your ignorance.

     
  • Bradley Bennett posted at 3:36 pm on Mon, Apr 9, 2012.

    bennettsw Posts: 22

    Patrick W Maple:
    "Mr Chapman: Yep. Go back, get in line and wait your turn. I do think people who have lived here and could pass a citizenship test, have NO criminal record (other than being illegal) can read a write in English and pledge allegiance to this country should be given preference and a shorter path to citizenship (not dual either). "

    I agree with this, besides minor traffic violations.

    FYI, the immigration proposal, along with current immigration administrative laws, do not put illegal immigrants in the "front" of the line. The date of the Visa is the "Priority" date which is based on their request to apply for an immigration Visa.

     
  • Bradley Bennett posted at 3:29 pm on Mon, Apr 9, 2012.

    bennettsw Posts: 22

    Those whom oppose compassionate immigration reform, do you listen to consrevative radio talk shows? e. g. Limbaugh, Hannity? Are you a T Party member, or advocate?

     
  • Bradley Bennett posted at 3:15 pm on Mon, Apr 9, 2012.

    bennettsw Posts: 22

    Brian Dockter:

    "Ms. Bobbin,

    Still waiting for you to tell us why you don't think Wade has not made any truthful statements in his columns"

    Numb nut, yes he has made a few truethfuls statements. Bue he has also made many false and misleading statements.

    Everyon whom is posting do you agree? Wad has made some misfactual statements????

     
  • Bradley Bennett posted at 3:10 pm on Mon, Apr 9, 2012.

    bennettsw Posts: 22

    Joe Baxter:
    "Mr. Docktor, Joanne believes anyone that expresses anything against her ideology to be spewing falsehoods and propaganda"

    Brian Dockter:
    "Exactly!
    Happy Easter!"

    Brian: But muncher.

    Joe:
    You are the one that has been brain washed. We make our opinons based on facts and compassion.


     
  • Bradley Bennett posted at 3:05 pm on Mon, Apr 9, 2012.

    bennettsw Posts: 22

    Andrew Liebich;
    "Ms. Bobin continually exhibits a blind loyalty to her icon, a condition which is similar to celebrity worship. Granting illegal immigrants "unlawful presence waivers" through DHS in order to avoid US immigration laws is not something the U.S. Constitution permits. "

    Andy,please cut & paste from the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights or subsequent admendments to support your assertion. If unable, please apologize.

     
  • Bradley Bennett posted at 2:57 pm on Mon, Apr 9, 2012.

    bennettsw Posts: 22

    Sorry, Happy Easter All.

     
  • Bradley Bennett posted at 2:57 pm on Mon, Apr 9, 2012.

    bennettsw Posts: 22

    Happy compar, all, even if we differ in opinions.

    If you beleive in Jesus, or are other wise compassionate,remember to put your self in the other's shoes.

     
  • Bradley Bennett posted at 2:54 pm on Mon, Apr 9, 2012.

    bennettsw Posts: 22

    Patrick W Maple
    msb: "Still waiting for you to tell us why you think Wade has not made any truthful statements in his columns."

    Sorry, back from a family vacation at the YMCA (a bastion of extrreme liberals. :))

    Once again, please read the proposal. Read Wad's propoganda, the differences are obvious.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 2:27 pm on Sun, Apr 8, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    msb: "Still waiting for you to tell us why you think Wade has not made any truthful statements in his columns."...she lost her contacts and can't see the keyboard, her dog ate her homework, she's not done researching her opinions or the opiates haven't worn off yet. Be patient Dockter J...

    Mr Francis...I will be checking out your sites soon. Thanks

    Mr Chapman: Yep. Go back, get in line and wait your turn. I do think people who have lived here and could pass a citizenship test, have NO criminal record (other than being illegal) can read a write in English and pledge allegiance to this country should be given preference and a shorter path to citizenship (not dual either).

    WRONG!!! Joe...what makes you think msb thinks?

    Andrew: Good points...if they can afford to pay a coyote $5-6,000 to get here then they can pay for the necessary tests, documnetation and vetting. Wait!! We are talking about BO aren't we??

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:48 pm on Sun, Apr 8, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Ms. Bobin continually exhibits a blind loyalty to her icon, a condition which is similar to celebrity worship. Granting illegal immigrants "unlawful presence waivers" through DHS in order to avoid US immigration laws is not something the U.S. Constitution permits. Ms. Bobin should apologize to all law-abiding immigrants.

    Why won’t the federal government do what the Constitution requires and secure the border?

    Oh, but Barack Obama says that he has a plan. He says that he is going to save the day.

    The following is how Barack Obama describes his plan…

    "We are not going to ship back 12 million people, we’re not going to do it as a practical matter. We would have to take all our law enforcement that we have available and we would have to use it and put people on buses, and rip families apart, and that’s not who we are, that’s not what America is about. So what I’ve proposed… is you say we’re going to bring these folks out of the shadows. We’re going to make them pay a fine, they are going to have to learn English, they are going to have to go to the back of the line…but they will have a pathway to citizenship over the course of 10 years."

    So how many illegal immigrants do you think are going to step forward to pay a fine?

    One percent?

    How many of them do you think are going to show up for English classes?

    Who is going to make them do it?

    Obama?

    Are we going to have law enforcement officials running around trying to collect fines from illegal immigrants and trying to get them to attend their English lessons?

    According to Obama, the millions upon millions of illegal immigrants that are in this country are going to be glad to willingly do the following….

    1) Admit they broke the law

    2) Pay back taxes and a fine

    3) Learn English

    4) Be willing to undergo background checks before starting the legalization process

    So what are illegal immigrants going to do when this plan is passed?

    99 percent of them are going to laugh and they are just going to keep on doing what they have been doing. Large numbers of illegal immigrants are already enjoying the "high life" in the dozens of "sanctuary cities" across the United States.

    Today we are being told that we need to make life as comfortable as possible for the waves of illegal immigrants that are coming in. In fact, Barack Obama says that all of us need to make sure that our kids are learning how to speak Spanish….

    "I don’t understand when people are going around worrying about, we need to have English only. They want to pass a law, we just, we want English only…Now, I agree that immigrants should learn English, I agree with this. But understand this, instead of worrying about whether immigrants can learn English, they’ll learn English, you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish."

    All of this is utter insanity.

    The cold, hard reality of the matter is that we have tightly secured the border between South Korea and North Korea for over 50 years and we could secure our own borders if we really wanted to.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 12:09 pm on Sun, Apr 8, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Joe,

    Exactly!

    Happy Easter! :)

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 10:47 am on Sun, Apr 8, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1903

    Mr. Docktor, Joanne believes anyone that expresses anything against her ideology to be spewing falsehoods and propaganda. Never mind Americans are entitled to their opinions in free speech and free press (at least for now) and it gives them the lawful ability express their views. Joanne, like our current White House Occupant, would dearly love to suppress speech and press that doesn't reflect their own liberal viewpoints. Sad that she is so indoctrinated in LIBERALISM her brain just won't allow her to consider anyone's views she doesn't agree with. The Constitution means absolutey NOTHING to these people.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 10:16 am on Sun, Apr 8, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ms. Bobbin wrote:

    Apparently you cannot read, Mr. Docktor. A waste of time repeating what I have
    already proven about Wade Heath's problem with the truth.

    -Chuckle,

    Now she's beginnig to irritate me. Unless she can prove Wade has never made any truthful comments I cannot consider any of her assertions substantiated.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 10:10 am on Sun, Apr 8, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    .Joanne Bobin posted at 9:12 am on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.
    Posts: 1514 The day that Wade Heath actually writes a column that contains truthful statements will most like never arrive.

    I really don't know whether he just picks up snippets of information that he deliberately twists into something they are not, or whether he actually believes that what he has written is true. Either way, it is irresponsible journalism and the LNS should really have someone checking out the junk this man writes before printing it in their paper.

    Ms. Bobbin,

    Above are your words. It was you who made the assertion Wade never makes truthful statements in any of his columns. You didn't say many. You said any. Perhaps you're just being sarcastic. But you've never been known to be this way on these bloggs. I suggest you think again about your broad sweeping accusation.
    Do you really want to maintain your position, in so many words, Wade has nothing to offer?

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:40 am on Sun, Apr 8, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Too early, fingers just aren't awake.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:39 am on Sun, Apr 8, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    A genuiine fake.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:50 pm on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Still waiting for you to tell us why you think Wade has not made any truthful statements in his columns."

    Apparently you cannot read, Mr. Docktor. A waste of time repeating what I have already proven about Wade Heath's problem with the truth.

    "Maybe if Obama would just kick out a few million illegals, he could afford to hire an expert that could produce a certificate of birth that was undedetectable as a fake."

    Deportations and prosecutions of employers who hire illegals under the Obama administration have surpassed all previous administrations.

    Didn't know you were a BIRTHER, Mr. Chapman, but why does your comment not surprise me? There is no cure for ignorance and you are certainly the poster child for that. Must make your mama proud.

     
  • Dave Francis posted at 6:27 pm on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    Brittanicus1 Posts: 3


    I have heard that the bureaucrats in Washington are going to chase down income tax violators. That anybody who has found to owe $50.000 in back taxes are going to have their travel privileges revoked. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada would permit the State Department to repeal, reject or limit passports, other travel documents for anyone the IRS certifies as having a serious delinquency tax issue. Perhaps they should also chase after illegal aliens that get paid under the table, as well as not paying any taxes? So if the government needs all that extra money to reduce 16 trillion deficits, much of it accumulated by the Obama Administration, do they not cut of welfare programs to foreigners? Why don't they begin this hunt, by going after illegal aliens who are fraudulently collecting tax credits for themselves and the children? $4.2 billion annually is worth the investigation of this nationwide felony that would go a long way to aiding our sick veterans and homeless.

    Stop this travesty that is bypassed by the Senate and House. Close all the loopholes in the law, which is pandering to the illegal alien invaders. Punish the Politicians, Governors, Mayors and the whole mix of elected officials that are harboring foreign nationals, who have implemented Sanctuary cities ordinances, who have driven policies of Dream Acts, Chain migration and another catastrophic Comprehensive Reform packages. The U.S. citizenry must step forward and adjoin with the TEA PARTY “THE PEOPLE’S PARTY” to stop the erosion of legal rights, which are being reduced by this administration. Both parties have abused immigration enforcement, by neglecting the fence and the incompetence of acknowledging that ID theft is out of control, that every foreign worker is committing a felony by using U.S. victim’s Social security number and identity in the majority of cases. The illegal alien occupation are racking up over a $100 Billion dollars a year, with no end in sight.

    The Justice Department led by the notorious Attorney General Eric Holder and his Inquisitors have used the courts, to try and emasculate the States of Arizona, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Indiana, as their own ineptitude to rid America of the illegal alien blight, whether calculatingly or not? My guess if Arizona’s law passes as constitutional under the court ruling a lot of states like Mississippi, will be crying foul, as hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens will be rapidly on their doorstop. THEY WILL BE HEADING FOR YOUR STATE TOO, READY TO PILFER YOUR PUBLIC ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS. Readers should insist that their politicians in Washington pass a mandatory E-Verify law. By prosecuting businesses that do not authenticate their workers, we would soon start to free-up jobs for Americans. Don't you think it’s time to call your Representative at 202-224-3121 in Congress? USE every enforcement program available, including ‘Secure Communities’ and the 287 G policing. The most astronomical physical expenditures are the ‘foothold baby citizenship,’ which desperately needs to be amended.

    You can also learn more of the Obama government ignoring your Constitutional rights at"NumbersUSA." Www.numbersusa.com. Even better explore the "American Patrol" www.americanpatrol.com website that the Elitist Republicans, Democrats and Liberals don't want you to view. This really is an eye opener of a daily menu of articles from the press both national and rural, which gives you a glimpse of the illegal alien problem and so much more. Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum and even Ron Paul, would be stunned to the amount of unfunded mandates, place upon every American of free programs allocated to foreigners and not to citizens and residents. WILL YOU BE VOTING OUT ANY POLITICIAN IN A RECALL ELECTION?

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:00 pm on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Mr. Maple, can you imagiine? The great benefits America would realize if the government could only invest in 625 great companies like Solyndra? If only the money didn't have to pay for illegal aliens. Wow, the mind staggers at the thought. Maybe if Obama would just kick out a few million illegals, he could afford to hire an expert that could produce a certificate of birth that was undedetectable as a fake.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 4:51 pm on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Correction


    Ms. Bobbin,

    Still waiting for you to tell us why you think Wade has not made any truthful statements in his columns.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 4:50 pm on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ms. Bobbin,

    Still waiting for you to tell us why you don't think Wade has not made any truthful statements in his columns.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 4:47 pm on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Andrew wrote:

    What does Sara Palin have to do with illegal immigration or "unlawful presence waivers"? LOL

    -Exactlly. It seems to me Ms. Bobbin is more concerned about what Sarah Palin alledgedly did with the money from the Alaska Permanent fund
    than what Illegals bilk from taxpayers.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:55 pm on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Mr C: The true cost in dollars is closer to $333Billion.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 2:00 pm on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Wow, $113 BILLION? Doesn't Obama know he could finance another 250
    Solyndra-esque GREEN companies. Obamanomics, it's the "Final Solution". Maybe Obama can dial 1-800-BANKRUPT?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 10:22 am on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1903

    Here are a few FACTS regarding illegal immigrants:
    * $113 Billion cost/year of ILLEGAL immigration. 75% absorved by individual states.
    * $1,117 - Amount/year average family paid in taxes to support ILLEGAL immigration.
    * $52 Billion - cost/year of educating children of ILLEGAL immigrants.
    * $2,700 - Average amount/year a single ILLEGAL immigrant family costs the US Govt.
    * 51% - Of ILLEGAL households that use at least one major welfare program.
    * 28% - Of ILLEGALS on welfare that use more than ONE welfare program. Food Stamps, WIC, school lunch, Medicaid, TANF, SSI and rent subsidized housing,
    Let's borrow MORE money from China so we can support MORE illegals. Or better yet, we can just TAX LIBERALS more to offset the expenses.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:52 am on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    What does Sara Palin have to do with illegal immigration or "unlawful presence waivers"? LOL

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:48 am on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "as a governor, she had 85% approval rating is worth focusing on and much more of a concern.. That means that 85% of Alaska supported a right wing extremist"

    Maybe her huge approval rating had to do with her raiding the Alaska Permanent Fund and sending a huge increase to each and every Alaskan. For the Palin family alone that amounted to $23,000. Peanuts, of course, now that she has figured out how to stick it to the rest of the country by peddling her books, reality shows, and the twaddle she spews on FOX News.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:41 am on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "-The willingness to laugh at oneself is a sign of true character and the ability to acknowledge they aren't without faults. Evidently Ms. Bobbin sees this as a weakness."

    No, I see this as a sign that Ms. Palin has nothing more to add to the conversation except to reenact her foibles.

    She couldn't even commit herself to the presumptive candidate, Mitt Romney, when asked - she could only respond, "Anyone but Obama." She has even suggested that she is in favor of a brokered convention because she thinks they'll all nominate HER.

    In a discussion about the success or failure of the Oprah Winfrey Network, she couldn't help herself from shouting out that Oprah needs to have "conservative guests - patriots." No matter that her outburst had nothing to do with the discussion.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:39 am on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ms. Bobbin,

    Getting back to you comments about Sarah Palin. Is there anytime you have admitted you have faults and you aren't unique?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:35 am on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ms. Bobbin wrote:

    The "title" of Heath's column has little to do with his overall message. The proposed ruling says that if you have close relatives here, you can file a particular document BEFORE you leave the country rather than AFTER. Big deal...

    -Ms. Bobbin,

    Going back to your assertion that Wade Heath has never made any truthful statements in any of his columns, are you saying the title is now a truthful statement by Wade? I'm curious why you would backpeddle. Frankly, I believe Wade is telling the truth about how he feels about this issue. I don't think it would have been a truthful statement if Wade had said Illegal immigrants should get a pass because of family and then base his whole column on that statement. It seems to me it's a no win situation with Wade. You accuse him of never making any truthful statements. Yet if he were to make statements he finds untruthful to his beliefs and positions you would still find those statements untruthful even though you agree with them because you know Wade is lying about his beliefs and positions.


     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:16 am on Sat, Apr 7, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857


    Ms. Bobin

    Sarah Palin's appearance on the "Today Show" was a clear example of her relevance "today," so to speak. She performed a parody of every fubar she was ever associated with 4 years ago....a perfect example of what her contribution to society is today....A JOKE!!!


    -The willingness to laugh at oneself is a sign of true character and the ability to acknowledge they aren't without faults. Evidently Ms. Bobbin sees this as a weakness.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:55 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Bennett stated...Back to the point: do you agree that Wad's article was inaccurate and misinformative? Read the proposal and read Wad's article. Any educated and analyticle person can see the descrepencies

    Not so fast Mr Bennett...I think your original accusation that you consider Palin an extremest when as a governor, she had 85% approval rating is worth focusing on and much more of a concern.. That means that 85% of Alaska supported a right wing extremist in your mind. In my view, that makes you the extremist.

    In addition, I think it makes whatever point you make suspect. Your off-the-wall conclusion indicates your thinking is not sound and should be discounted as irrational or ignored.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:46 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Sorry, couldn't resist...

    In reference to illegal immigrants Ms.Bobin ignorantly states "they pay cash for all of their expenses". Well, watch out if you want to pay with cash for hotel rooms Ms. Bobin. This DHS commercial indicates that you're a terror suspect if you pay cash.
    ROFLMAO

    http://youtu.be/lolnRc1_3Hk

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:21 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Ms. Bobin,
    President Obama is granting illegal immigrants waivers through DHS in order to avoid US immigration laws. The U.S. Constitution does not grant DHS the power to change laws. That is a power regulated to Congress, not a wanna-be dictator.

    Please explain how in your mind, this equates to "great confusion about what is real and what is in your imagination" on my part?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:27 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich - are we talking about laws?

    Seems that you have a great confusion about what is real and what is in your imagination. Hope you are taking care of that situation. Wish you well.

    Mr. Scott wrote: "It does not take a brain surgeon to figure out that illegal residents and their children are the cause for so many of our current problems. Over-crowded schools, poor performing schools, drug trafficing, gangs, prision over-crowding, hospital ER's used as doctor's offices, the list goes on & on."

    Really, Mr. Scott. Please cite statistics. You seem to have a blanket excuse for every social ill and they (according to you) are squarely placed on the backs of illegal aliens.

    If someone told you that the majority of illegals are perhaps the most law abiding inhabitants of this state, that they do not run up bills they cannot pay, they are least likely to break the law for fear of being "discovered," they pay cash for all of their expenses, they send their kids to school because the LAW demands they do, they go to emergency rooms when needed because the LAW says they can, they mow your lawn, pick your grapes, your asparagus, your tomatoes...they pay taxes (SS & MC) they will never recoup, that the people who employ them are breaking the law....

    What do you say? What? Just what?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:49 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Ms.Bobin requests that I, "explain how this provision circumvents the U.S. Constitution" in DETAIL.

    Seriously Ms.Bobin?

    The U.S. Constitution does not grant DHS the power to change laws.

    Are "in DETAIL" explanations really necessary?

     
  • Jackson Scott posted at 4:36 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Jackson Scott Posts: 386

    Oh boy, Wade has stirred the pot with this column. I'm not surprised at all by the comments. They are totally predictable from the left & right. I'm a moderate: left leaning socially, right leaning financially.

    It does not take a brain surgeon to figure out that illegal residents and their children are the cause for so many of our current problems. Over-crowded schools, poor performing schools, drug trafficing, gangs, prision over-crowding, hospital ER's used as doctor's offices, the list goes on & on.

    But the mere fact that there are SPECIAL PROGRAMS for illegal residents to gain access to our Caifornia Public Universities & State Colleges is ridiculous. And that they can qualify for Federal Grants & Aid is simply outrageous. Do you know how many legal CA students did not qualify for FAFSA aid because those taxpayer dollars went to an illegal resident student?

    Just imagine for just 30 seconds a California where we did not have illegal residents. That picture looks pretty awesome, doesn't it? No over-crowded schools means less students, most who will understand English, and better student-teacher ratios. Better students = smarter students, higher test scores, kids going to college who want to go to college, and money/grants/aid to pay for it. If our borders were water tight we'd have much less drugs, gangs, & crime. While such a California would be far from Utopia it sure would be much better than it is today.

    And, no, I am not a racist. Some of my closest friends are Mexican, Asian, Indian, & an Aussie. But you know what? Their families, or themselves, all came to the USofA legally. They immigrated here legally. Let me repeat: they immigrated to the USA legally.

     
  • Emily Joerke posted at 3:12 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Emily Joerke Posts: 4

    Can we just wake up and smell the roses.... California has a big illegal immigrant problem, and what are we as citizens of this Nation going to do about it? No need to argue with one another, everyone is entitled to his or her own beliefs.... So whatever side you are on on this spectrum, just remember that yes we do have a illegal immigrant problem and yes you can not believe everything you read or watch on tv FOX NEWS, The Daily Show what have you!!! The GOVT' lies and tells us what they think we want to hear, whose protecting the citizens of this country???? I know it sure isn't our lovely faithful GOVT'!!! Whoever gets elected next isn't going to matter we are all just sitting ducks waiting to fall to our demise due to our trusty GOVT'......

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:54 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "You then identify Palin as extreme who had an 85% approval rating in Alaska as governor. How could any clear thinking person think 85% of a state's voters could support someone that is in reality extreme. Your original post is insulting and misguided in my opinion."

    Sarah Palin's appearance on the "Today Show" was a clear example of her relevance "today," so to speak. She performed a parody of every fubar she was ever associated with 4 years ago....a perfect example of what her contribution to society is today....A JOKE!!!

    So funny, Sarah! What's your next act? Please come and visit Mr. Baumbach...it would mean so much to him!!!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:43 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich wrote: "Call it what you will: stealth amnesty, backdoor amnesty or "unlawful presence waivers". It's just one more example of President Obama's desire to ignore existing immigration law and circumvent the U.S. Constitution."

    Please explain how this provision "circumvents the U.S. Constitution," in DETAIL. And draw the connection to Obama...I'm sure you and your "group" have access to the documents that prove this beyond a doubt - otherwise I don't know why you would be making this accusation.

    "I wonder when DHS will issue President Obama's "unlawful presence waiver"..."

    Another one of Mr. Liebich's conspiracy theories - tell me - was Obama born in Kenya? His birth certificate was forged or has "kerning" according to you? You are a document expert who has examined the original birth certificate, right Mr. Liebich? Dish for us.....

     
  • Bradley Bennett posted at 12:37 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    bennettsw Posts: 22

    Patrick W Maple:
    "mrbb: Apparently you believe what the liberal media and gov is telling you"

    No, numb nut. I beleive what I read. READ THE $%$%$%^ PROPOSAL!!!! You are the one that is brainwashed and beleives propganda spouted out of the orifices of conservative extremists.

     
  • Bradley Bennett posted at 12:32 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    bennettsw Posts: 22

    Brian Dockter
    "The title of Wade's column alone is a truthful statement.

    Why SHOULD
    a criminal get a pass because they have family here, Ms. Bobbin?"

    Do a little research, Brian. This adminstrative rule has been in place for over 50 years.

    Please, Tea Party Activists, get the facts and post intelligent comments.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:31 pm on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Call it what you will: stealth amnesty, backdoor amnesty or "unlawful presence waivers". It's just one more example of President Obama's desire to ignore existing immigration law and circumvent the U.S. Constitution.

    I wonder when DHS will issue President Obama's "unlawful presence waiver"...

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:15 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    It is obvious from the responses from Mr. Baumbach, Mr. Maple, and the ultimate racist, Mr. Docktor, that there is no point in continuing to point out the inaccuracies in Wade Heath's column. You all have pre-formed opinions and you wouldn't acknowledge the truth if it hit you over the head.

    The "title" of Heath's column has little to do with his overall message. The proposed ruling says that if you have close relatives here, you can file a particular document BEFORE you leave the country rather than AFTER. Big deal...

    You only make fools of yourselves with your collective inability to understand that this is a very MINOR technicality that Wade Heath has attempted to turn into some type of super special treatment. I feel no remorse in saying that you all have some really deep problems....especially Mr. Docktor.

    Mr. Baumbach....you are one of the most ridiculous people in the world. Instead of adding intelligently to the conversation, which you obviously find over your ability to comprehend, you resort to making stupid comments about the "Steward (sic)" show. What a real da you are. Don't you have any shame?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:30 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    The title of Wade's column alone is a truthful statement.

    Why SHOULD
    a criminal get a pass because they have family here, Ms. Bobbin?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:25 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    If Ms. Bobbin remains consistent to her form we should never expect her to notice or acknowledge the many truthful statements in Wade's columns.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 7:34 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mrbb: Apparently you believe what the liberal media and gov is telling you...of course places like Arizona, Texas, Missouri and others don't. BO brought "hope and change"...where is it?...in the hope the gov changes. I personally am tired of the lies.
    My views are based on actions not provisions or proposals...theirs is on providing provisions...their actions in the past have formed my opinion...not the media. I don't just think about stuff I do somehting about it.

    msb: "USCIS now proposes to amend its regulations to allow certain immediate relatives of U.S. citizens who are physically present in the United States to request provisional unlawful presence waivers under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, as amended (INA or Act), prior to departing from the United States for consular processing of their immigrant visa applications.

    WHERE is there anything in the process WHY and by WHOM their "requests" will be denied? Under what circumstances will they be sent home? How much fudging will be going on this time? This is nothing more than back-door amnesty. BTW when Perry proposed a similar process he was roundly booed by the left. Soooo msb why don't YOU do some research. Liberal....anything less than amnesty will be wrong.

    Palin...If it wasn't for that decision, he (McCain) would be President today...so are you saying you are a sexist and that Joe Biden was a better VP...Wow...grow up.

     
  • Bradley Bennett posted at 5:21 am on Fri, Apr 6, 2012.

    bennettsw Posts: 22

    Darrell Baumbach:

    "Blah blah blah blah
    ....
    then identify Palin as extreme who had an 85% approval rating in Alaska as governor. How could any clear thinking person think 85%"

    85%? Is this before or after her failed VP attempt?. Pleease don't get me started on Govenor Palin,,,, She was once a pretty good Govenor and amazing lady until she sold her soul for fame and fortune...

    Psychic flash... you a Tea Party member (or follower), and you are a Limbot, or a follower of one of his protoges...

    Back to the point: do you agree that Wad's article was inaccurate and misinformative? Read the proposal and read Wad's article. Any educated and analyticle person can see the descrepencies...

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:45 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Bennett stated...Yes Darrell, it is obvious from my postings I am clearly "uneducated".
    Then stated...Sorry, I've never seen the Steward show.

    Mr Bennett, please read my posts more carefully. Clearly you missed my entire point...I stated...My example of Stewart is an attempt to demonstrate absurd thinking that is reflected in Mr Bennett's comments...

    In other words, I was intentionally being absurd in order to reflect your absurdity. In your first post you stated...” This the main problem with conservative extremists... they form their opinions from conservative talk shows, blogs... that are obviously (to me, at least) distorting, inventing or selectively picking facts to gain followers. You then identify Palin as extreme who had an 85% approval rating in Alaska as governor. How could any clear thinking person think 85% of a state's voters could support someone that is in reality extreme. Your original post is insulting and misguided in my opinion.

    I course believe that you are educated and can articulate your position. Saying you were uneducated was me attempting to use your brand of absurdity. I do think your position is biased and unreasonable.

     
  • Bradley Bennett posted at 7:54 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    bennettsw Posts: 22

    Darrell Baumbach:
    "This is the problem with .... uneducated liberals like Mr Bennett"

    Yes Darrell, it is obvious from my postings I am clearly "uneducated". :)

    Thanks for providing yet another example of how conservative extremists manufacture date to support ther views.

    Darrell Baumbach:
    "This is the problem with extreme ... liberals ...watch the Steward show"

    Sorry, I've never seen the Steward show. I'm actually an independent. I was planning on voting for Senator McCain last presidential before he he made the disasterous decison to make Sarah Palin his VP running mate. If it wasn't for that decision, he would be President today. I wasn't very enthusiastic about Obama or Edwards, 1st term Senators that had the presumption to leverage their short term succcess via charisma to the presidency.

    I liked McCain because of his service to our country (in the miltary and as a Senator) and his willingness to cross party lines, but his political decisoon to add Sarah Palin to his ticket , to gain the support of conservative extermists shows a fundamental lack of character to lead our nation.

    Liberal extremist disgust me as much as liberal, or any, extremists. Conservative,liberal/progressive, independent, Christian, Muslim, Jewish...

    Extremist is a synonym for a person that has been brain washed and who's philosphy and beliefs based on propaganda of others.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:25 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

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    CONTINUED...

    My example of Stewart is an attempt to demonstrate absurd thinking that is reflected in Mr Bennett's comments. If Pat and Wade are extremeists, then so is Mr Bennett and Ms Bobin along with 70 % of the entire adult population.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:25 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Bradley Bennett stated...This the main problem with conservative extremists... they form their opinions from conservative talk shows, blogs... that are obviously (to me, at least) distorting, inventing or selectively picking facts to gain followers.

    This is the problem with extreme uneducated liberals like Mr Bennett who, like Ms Bobin watch the Steward show and assume they are watching a documentary. The daily show, describing itself as a fake news program, is perceived to be hard hitting truth ( by people who think like Bennett)

    "Jon Stewart has not spent a lot of time on some of these issues," Dan Cassino said. "But the results show that when he does talk about something, his viewers pick up a lot more information than they would from other news sources." ( Dan Cassino is a Fairleigh Dickinson professor who served as an analyst)

    If Mr Bennent were appropriately educated, he would not try to stereotype conservatives as extreme or incapable of intellectually approaching a subject. I do not in reality assume all liberals are as bigoted towards conservatives as Mr Bennett. Many liberals and conservatives are thinkers and analyze events. We all see things through different prisms.

     
  • Richard Bundy posted at 6:01 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    RBundy Posts: 1

    Americans need to stand up and tell business that they will no longer subsidize cheap labor for them.

    The dream act would affect 2 million adults who broke our immigration laws. At 18 children brought here illegally have 6 months to return home and come back legally on a student visa or resident (moved to front of line). If they don't, they are just as illegal as their parents. The Congressional budget office puts the cost at $6000 per person (cost of one year in college subsidized by American taxpayers), per year, or 12 billion dollars a year. The dream act is not a one time deal, it would be an ongoing program, and they don't have to graduate from school. Not only that, families with children 12-18 are given amnesty as long as they remain in school.

     
  • Buzz Mills posted at 5:48 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    FACE-IT Posts: 1

    wake up America IT'S GAME ON! http://bit.ly/Hfi8Kj

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:10 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Wade Heath wrote: Unless you're California, then you act in favor of illegals. Like in the fall of 2011, California Gov. Jerry Brown decided it would be the right thing to do to approve the "DREAM Act," a bill designed by the very progressive California state legislature that called for public funding of illegal immigrant students' college education.

    Outrageous!!! this has to be the most ridiculous act on the part of those "in favor of illegals" and the "very progressive California State legislature!"

    Wade's statement has "some" elements of truth, except for those that are absolutely false. For the most part, the DREAM Act allows children who were brought here illegally by their parents or guardians to take advantage of in-state tuition rates at public colleges and universities provided they meet certain criteria, such as having attended school on a regular basis and meeting GPA requirements. And yes, they also have access to financial aid, most of which is provided by the federal government (OUR tax dollars). But are they taking away legal residents' and/or citizens' financial aid as Wade claims? ARE THEY? How does Wade figure that? Are they given priority for aid? What's the process?

    But what a BAD, BAD, HORRIBLE investment. We are having our arms twisted, our taxpayer dollars stolen from us in order to assure that these individuals become contributing members of society. It would be cheaper to keep them working in the fields, making sure we get our fresh produce at great prices. Or let them join gangs and eliminate the problem by having them shoot each other down on the streets. Even Rick Perry thought the TX version of the DREAM Act was the way to go.


    But that's OK - for Wade to nuance the essence of this bill to inflame public outrage is fine - it's great journalism, great reporting. Keep it up, Wade. You're going places!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:44 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Maple wrote: "msb: PLEASE provide at least a scintilla of refutation or evidence. PLEASE print here your disputation of his column. PLEASE give your comments at least the same reality as what a guan tom drops in the forrest of SA.. PLEASE a bit of recitation as to where he is wrong. Otherwise...the credibility of your opinion is tubular. Totally!!!"

    Wade Heath's version: "The Department of Homeland Security posted in an announcement online on Monday that they would be issuing "unlawful presence waivers" to illegal immigrants in order to stop them from being deported."

    Actual wording: "USCIS now proposes to amend its regulations to allow certain immediate relatives of U.S. citizens who are physically present in the United States to request provisional unlawful presence waivers under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, as amended (INA or Act), prior to departing from the United States for consular processing of their immigrant visa applications.

    From: https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2012/04/02/2012-7698/provisional-unlawful-presence-waivers-of-inadmissibility-for-certain-immediate-relatives#p-3

    Now, please, Mr. Maple...do you dispute that Mr. Heath stated: "in order to STOP them from being DEPORTED?"

    And, do you dispute that the proposed provision reads: "prior to DEPARTING from the United States for consular processing of their immigrant visa applications?"

    Big difference since Mr. Heath has changed the entire meaning of this to make people reading his tripe believe that this PREVENTS illegals from being deported.

    Now, if you and Mr. Kindseth want to continue believing that Wade is the be all and end all of immigration knowledge, that is your privilege, but please do not force everyone else to swallow his twisted version of the facts.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:30 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Kindseth wrote: "Nice job Wade. Easy to read summary of the basic problem. While there are many more tentacles emanating from this basic issue, you have reviewed the issues."

    Extremely effective tactic on Wade Heath's part to write exactly what people like Mr. Kindseth want to hear. He has no problem at all accepting Wade's version of the "truth" as long as it coincides with his own.

    Try doing some research Mr. Kindseth and Mr. Maple and see if Wade's narrative actually agrees with the proposed action.

     
  • Bradley Bennett posted at 12:48 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    bennettsw Posts: 22

    Oh, and Robin Ked also.

     
  • Bradley Bennett posted at 12:46 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    bennettsw Posts: 22

    This the main problem with conservative extremists... they form their opinions from conservative talk shows, blogs... that are obviously (to me, at least) distorting, inventing or selectively picking facts to gain followers.

    I think the term is brain-washing.

    That's why liberal talk show are popular... In general liberals are more educated and analytical than their conservative counterparts. They are more likely to see through propaganda and make decisions based on the facts of the situation, not someone else opinion.

    Just look at Patrick W Maple and John Kindseth's comments as a good example.

     
  • Bradley Bennett posted at 12:33 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    bennettsw Posts: 22

    Patrick W Maple
    "msb: PLEASE provide at least a scintilla of refutation or evidence. PLEASE print here your disputation of his column. PLEASE give your comments at least the same reality as what a guan tom drops in the forrest of SA.. PLEASE a bit of recitation as to where he is wrong. Otherwise...the credibility of your opinion is tubular. Totally!!!"

    Pat, are you really serious?

    Wade/Pat/John , I did you a favor and am posting the link to the proposal.you can actually READ it and make an informed article or comment. You're welcome in advance! : http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=USCIS-2012-0003-0001

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 12:13 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Has anyone noticed that no matter how carefully you read your post it alwasy seems to have spelling errors? Pontificate...can this be computer glitches?

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 12:03 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    mrbb: "WRONG! It was a PROPOSAL for PROVISIONAL unlawful presence waiver."

    Read be tw ee n the li ne s mr b...just because they call it the Justice Dept...do you REALLY think they live up to their name or creed: Justice? Not for me...justice for me will be when BOcare is no longer hanging over my head. When BO is out of office with all of the morons he has surrounded himself with. Justice will be when this country can get back to the reality of and the greatness of this country.

    Wish...could...would...should...were...maybe...relative...all words of theory.

    Can...did...do...will...is...am...do...does...solve...fix...complete...accomplish...perform...succeed...results...all words of reality and progress.

    You can ponticicate and think all you want...unless you DO something...then nothing will get done.

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 11:51 am on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    msb: PLEASE provide at least a scintilla of refutation or evidence. PLEASE print here your disputation of his column. PLEASE give your comments at least the same reality as what a guan tom drops in the forrest of SA.. PLEASE a bit of recitation as to where he is wrong. Otherwise...the credibility of your opinion is tubular. Totally!!!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:40 am on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Distressed over the number of fake posters that seem to be appearing on this website recently. Not naming names, but some are extremely obvious.

    Mr. Bennett is correct in his analysis of this proposal.

    No one that I know, including myself, is in favor of illegal immigration, but many "progressives," as poster "Ked" is quick to ridicule, are in favor of the humane treatment of non-criminal illegals, many who are children who arrived here with their parents, never knowing what their status was.

    The Obama administration has rounded-up/deported more illegals than any other president in recent history and is seeking answers to these issues -the Republicans have no viable plans for immigration reform except to impose draconian laws (Alabama/Arizona), build a fence, and generally alienate all minorities.

    As witnessed by Wade Heath's misleading (to say the least) column, conservatives can only write untruths in order to get fellow conservatives who don't know any better to get all riled up.

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 11:35 am on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    John Kindseth Posts: 245

    Nice job Wade. Easy to read summary of the basic problem. While there are many more tentacles emanating from this basic issue, you have reviewed the issues.

     
  • Bradley Bennett posted at 9:57 am on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    bennettsw Posts: 22

    Clearly Wade did not actually read the announcement. Probably just cut and pasted from other conservative extremists articles...

    "The Department of Homeland Security posted in an announcement online on Monday that they would be issuing "unlawful presence waivers"

    WRONG! It was a PROPOSAL for PROVISIONAL unlawful presence waiver.

    "The catch is that the illegal aliens will need to prove they have a family member who is a legal American citizen in order to qualify for the waiver.
    ...
    So, to be clear, all you have to do is have an association with someone, a "family member..."

    WRONG! U.S. relative (spouse, mother, father, sibling over 21) would need to prove that th immigrants removal would present an EXTREME HARDSHIP for the relative.

    The proposal is simple. Currently, and illegal immigrant applies for a Visa and must return to their country of origin for the Visa interview. The Visa will be denied (because they entered illegally) and they will then have to setup a new appointment (~2-3 months) to submit a "Hardship Waiver". Once submitted, they have to wait in their home country another 3-9 months for the waiver to be processed. If approved,they can then get green card and re-enter America.

    The proposal is very simple and logical. Before the Visa interview, the immigrant can apply for a "provisional" unlawful presence waiver while in the U.S. Once approved they can then then return to their country, attend the Visa interview and get their green card.

    This would take ~1 week. Versus 3-9 months for the current administrative rules.

    I don't why any person could possibly object to this, unless they are mean spirited...


     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:12 am on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    The day that Wade Heath actually writes a column that contains truthful statements will most like never arrive.

    I really don't know whether he just picks up snippets of information that he deliberately twists into something they are not, or whether he actually believes that what he has written is true. Either way, it is irresponsible journalism and the LNS should really have someone checking out the junk this man writes before printing it in their paper.

     

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