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Wade Heath Why I find Ron Paul to be an exciting candidate

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  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:54 pm on Sun, Feb 12, 2012.

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    Mr. Kinderman,
    With 95% reporting, Ron Paul has over 36% of the vote in Maine right behind first place finisher Mitt Romney, who has barely 39%.

    But when all the votes are counted will Romney still be in first place? Only 194 votes stand between Paul and a first place victory. Washington County is a stronghold for Paul and has yet to report. It might be a week before we know the final outcome there and Washington County is expected to yield 200 votes or more.

    Are you still confused?

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 5:53 pm on Tue, Jan 31, 2012.

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    Mr. Liebich was quite correct regarding the delegate count in Florida as this just in: "With polls closed in Florida, Fox News projects Mitt Romney takes all 50 of Florida's Republican delegates while Newt Gingrich is projected to finish a distant second, with Rick Santorum in third and Ron Paul in fourth." (}

    Of course I'm still a little confused as to how any of this could be good for Ron Paul. But the campaign trail is still barely warm, so we'll simply have to wait and see what transpires.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:33 pm on Mon, Jan 30, 2012.

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    If Gingrich and Santorum finish behind Romney in Florida, as polls currently indicate they will, neither of them will win any delegates. Nada. Zip.

    Ron Paul only had to score one more delegate in Maine last weekend to outperform them, convention-wise. Given that Maine Republicans tend to be more libertarian than socially conservative, and given that Paul actually campaigned there, that's a likely occurrence.

    I would say the stategy worked just fine.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:15 pm on Sun, Jan 29, 2012.

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    "A new NBC/Marist poll shows Romney up 15 over Gingrich in Florida, 42 percent to 27 percent. Rick Santorum is third with 16 percent, followed by Ron Paul with 11 percent. Four percent said they are undecided." (

    That's a factoid hard to deal with for Ron Paul fans. But could it be that because "Paul, the Texas congressman, ... [who] invested little in the Florida race ... is looking ahead to Nevada, ... to benefit from the grassroots impact of caucuses?" (Ibid.)

    I wonder how that strategy will work for him.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:59 am on Sun, Jan 29, 2012.

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    In support of the fact that Ron Paul is "not electable," why is it then that he has fallen behind in the Florida primary just 48 hours before the votes are tallied? Like it or not, we have two major political parties. History has shown that when a contender for the Republican ticket is defeated during the primaries (as Mr. Paul is trying to win by the way) and then attempt to run as an "independent" candidate thereby forming a third party for the general election, the Democrat nominee wins.

    As for emotions not being a match for facts, I submit that is simply not true. Emotions play a very important role in politics - even beyond any so-call facts. In fact, the Ron Paul-ites are much more prone to using their feelings than any other group. But they do so in a way that drives people away from whatever message Paul might be trying to deliver. What this reveals to me is that they know their candidate is not a leader; but instead of trying to do what he cannot do, they follow his lead. (Yeah, try and understand that one.)

    We need a LEADER to defeat Barack Obama. Why? Because the majority of those who will vote for him in November don't care at ALL about facts, the economy, wars, the environment or anything else that they pretend are so important; because if they did, they wouldn't have elected him in the first place.

    Once the current crop of Republican contenders hit the stages for their onslaught of debates, it grew apparent that Obama will get his four more years. And while we're only at the end of January and the election is a whole nine months away where anything can happen, nothing of real significance will occur unless it's really REALLY big. We've had over three years of unbelievable nonsense and destruction from this current president. But the people don't care. Nope - they're going to cast more votes for Obama than anyone else simply because they "feel" like he really does need additional time to transform the United States of America. And at this point there's absolutely nothing that we or even Ron Paul can do about it.

    And that’s a fact.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:40 pm on Fri, Jan 27, 2012.

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    Do the facts support Mr. Kinderman's claims? Of course not, but facts are no match for emotions. With that said, here is my "militant reaction" to Mr. Kinderman's claims that Ron Paul is not electable.

    Whether you agree with Ron Paul’s political views or not, whether you think he should be the Republican Party’s nominee or not, his actual electability as a presidential candidate is an entirely separate question – one that can be answered by investigating the facts instead of merely repeating the same opinion ad nauseam and hoping it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    As is consistently attested by poll results and even the Republican Party’s most recent primary votes in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina, the facts are these: Ron Paul performs better among independents than any other Republican candidate for the presidential nomination. He also performs better among young voters under 30 than any other Republican. Ron Paul also outperforms any of the remaining Republican candidates among Democrats, liberals, moderates, and low-income voters. When Ron Paul is matched up against Obama, he has polled as well as, if not even better than the other three remaining candidates.

    During this weeks NBC hosted GOP debate in Florida, Ron Paul was once again ignored and dismissed. Paul spoke for less than 6 minutes out of the hour long debate. He was skipped over completely on three questions when everyone else got to speak, and was not offered the chance to respond to several attacks on his policies from the other candidates. Why?

    This is why...

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 8:34 pm on Fri, Jan 27, 2012.

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    No matter how one "dresses up" Ron Paul, he is simply not electable. That's the sad story but absolutely true.

    What haven’t helped over the past few years have been his most avid “fans” - more often than not when confronting those who believe as I do about their guy, their militant reactions only prove my point.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 4:40 pm on Fri, Jan 27, 2012.

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    If anyone out there actually believes that things will be much different if one of these “establishment candidates” is elected in 2012, they are seriously deluded.

    The reality is that not much changed when Barack Obama took over for George W. Bush. And not much will change if one of the “top tier” Republican candidates takes over for Barack Obama.

    The American people keep sending new faces to Washington D.C., but they keep on getting the same results over and over and over.

    It is time to wake up and realize that these “establishment politicians” are leading this country straight down the toilet.

    Explain how a sincere Republican can ignore Ron Paul and support any of the phony status quo clones for the nomination?

    The straightforward explanation is that the average GOP voter is just as dumb as a Democrat supporter.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:39 am on Fri, Jan 27, 2012.

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    While I find none of the Republican presidential contenders even remotely "exciting," there's no doubt in my mind that Obama must be defeated. This election will most definitely come down to the lesser of two evils.

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:50 pm on Wed, Jan 25, 2012.

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    Mahmoud stated...Paul or NOTHING!!!

    I guess its nothing then... since Ron Paul is not runnng to win and has no intention of being president...

    I read your post and thought you were ... a silly kid...

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:14 pm on Wed, Jan 25, 2012.

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    Has ric flair resurfaced as Mahmoud A?

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:17 am on Wed, Jan 25, 2012.

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    Ron Paul's 2002 Predictions All Came True...

    The more support Ron Paul gets the more the hypocrites sound like him. Now Newt's even calling for a Commission on Gold... LOL

  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:58 am on Wed, Jan 25, 2012.

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    Wade stated...He is not part of the Republican establishment; on the contrary, Paul is a hardcore libertarian

    Great observation Wade... considering a candidate that the Republican Establishment is against is a good first start at this point in time. That is Why Gingrich should also be considered. The Republican Establishment is more afraid of Him than Paul. They know that Paul is 77 years old and will turn 81 before the next election. They also know that Paul is not interested in winning the presidency but in garnering influence to effect policy in whoever wins the election.
    Gingrich on the other hand is a true conservative that thinks outside the box and is a proven leader which was evidenced in leading the Republican Party to power in 1992, spearheaded welfare reform and a booming economy.

    In 1980, when Ronald Reagan started the year about 30 points behind Jimmy Carter and when the Republican establishment described his economic ideas as "voodoo economics," Reagan just cheerfully went out and won the debate, won the nomination, and won the general election. Just as Ronald Reagan was opposed by the Establishment, so is Gingrich and Paul... The difference is that Gingrich can win it and Paul cannot and does not want to win.


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