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Steve Hansen: ‘Settled science’ often isn’t

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11 comments:

  • steve hansen posted at 6:55 pm on Wed, Mar 19, 2014.

    steve hansen Posts: 2

    Excellent and observant point, Mr. Tillett. The statement should have been "Pythagoras' FOLLOWERS." Ref: physicist, Dr. Russell Targ. But even that view is subject to conjecture.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 1:18 pm on Wed, Mar 19, 2014.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2346

    It is definitely interesting that scientists have now "proven" that the universe began with a big bang. I don't necessarily disagree with that notion - after all, something had to occur in order for things to start moving along.

    But where they're stuck is what was going on just before the "bang." "Nothing" is not an acceptable notion. They admit that they don't know; I've watched quite a few universe-related documentaries where they reveal their ignorance on that point. Of course common sense dictates that something had to exist that came together with just the right combination of elements and other "stuff" to create this absolute miracle we call the universe.

    Yet the biggest question still remains for those who don't believe in a Creator - "WHY," as in "why" are we here; "what" is the point; "where" did we come from; "who" created all of this? I am anxiously awaiting that newsbreak when scientists reach agreement about that little tidbit. Or is that not one of the important "W's" anymore?

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 1:16 pm on Wed, Mar 19, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1975

    Technically there are several "dinosaurs" humans existed/exist with. Alligators and crocodiles, turtles, sharks several fish http://listverse.com/2010/05/14/top-10-prehistoric-fish-alive-today/ and even rumors and potential carcass of a plesiosaurus caught in a Japanese fishing net ( though I have doubts on that one But it made for a fun Google read.)

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:14 pm on Wed, Mar 19, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Kindseth wrote: "Joanne, I am trying to make sense of your garbled slurs."

    "Slurs?" Sorry, Mr. Kindseth - you are the only one consistently guilty of slurs, i.e., your continualy use of the word "lemmings."

    Actually, I ENCOURAGE YOU to look up "Lemming" so that you can discover for yourself the error of your intended SLURS. That is, of course, unless you deliberately choose to just follow the right wing crowd here by perpetrating its use.

    I did not say that YOU are a religious fanatic. I only hypothesized that you had similar beliefs to the hundreds of thousands who think the Earth is only 5000 or whatever years old. Besides - your Grand Canyon comment had not been posted when I made my comment - so my apologies to your narrowly defined sense of "modern" science.

    I never made a "snide slur" against Charles Krauthammer's condition - I you read my comment without prejudice (which is nearly impossible, apparently) I stated that his greatest ability for scientific understanding would be quadriplegia (for obvious reasons).

    Please don't group with me others in this forum who have a habit of mocking those with physical disabilities or who would wish to deny those who have them healthcare, as Charles Krauthammer would do if he had his way.

    I imagine that he would have a MUCH DIFFERENT outlook if he was sitting in his wheelchair on some street in Washington, DC, asking for handouts and begging for treatment if not for his plush jobs at the Washington Post and FOX News.

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 10:04 am on Wed, Mar 19, 2014.

    John Kindseth Posts: 243

    Joanne, I am trying to make sense of your garbled slurs. Why would I believe the earth is 5,000 years old when I referred to the millions of years exposed in the walls of the grand canyon. I don't recall making any comments about dinosaurs. Your comment about the universe expansion makes my point. You are suggesting that your limits to "settled science" only encompasses the last 100 years ? You call unidentified people as "religious fanatics" ?? And I am a name caller ? How did you drag religion into a "settled science" discussion ? Many call Republicans "dinosaurs" so under that logic, you exist alongside dinosaurs. Why are you so angry and hateful toward rational discourse ? You snide slur about Krauthammer's unfortunate paralysis is vile and unprofessional.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 11:03 pm on Tue, Mar 18, 2014.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 541

    Too bad Pythagorus died in 495 BCE and Zeno lived from c. 490 to c. 430 BCE.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:31 pm on Tue, Mar 18, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Funny that Krauthammer calls President Obama a "propagandist." We know climate change is REAL. What Obama DIDN'T say was that it is caused by carbon emissions, but Krauthammer implies that was his meaning and apparently our more gullible readers think that's what he said.

    And when Charles Krauthammer becomes a climate scientist, let me know.

    The only thing he is qualified to comment on scientifically is medical science and specifically quadriplegia.

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 3:26 pm on Tue, Mar 18, 2014.

    John Kindseth Posts: 243

    Oh, yeah steve, Great article and topic. Do you remember when our doctors applied Leeches? and talked about the "Four Humors"....how about slashing our punctures and "sucking out the poison". Climate change? Read what is found in the layers of the grand canyon over the millions of years. How about Pompeii ? Keep reading and tweeking the noses of the Lemmings.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:16 pm on Tue, Mar 18, 2014.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    You know, Mr. Kindseth, you simply cannot make a comment in this forum without name-calling, can you?

    It would be perfectly fine if Dr. Hansen were naming scientific discoveries made in the past 100 years - even Einstein is a little too long ago - but really, Galileo, Pythagoras, Kelvin - hundreds of years ago?

    And HOW SAD would that be if the human race had not made any scientific progress in the meantime?

    Next he'll be telling us that Cancer and HIV will never have a cure! I'm sure that's what they thought in the middle ages when the Black Plague struck.

    Now we are finding out the the universe is STILL expanding and that there may be multiple universes.

    But I suppose YOU are sticking to the myth that the Earth is only 5000 years old or whatever all those religious fanatics think and that humans existed alongside dinosaurs.

    Lemmings indeed!

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 11:39 am on Tue, Mar 18, 2014.

    John Kindseth Posts: 243

    Great topic Steve: For those interested Chas has another great take on the Settled Science Lemmings...

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-the-myth-of-settled-science/2014/02/20/c1f8d994-9a75-11e3-b931-0204122c514b_story.html

     
  • Kevin Paglia posted at 7:18 am on Tue, Mar 18, 2014.

    Kevin Paglia Posts: 1975

    "The man's actions must be broken down into their smallest frames until he's no longer moving, thus creating a dilemma: How can movement be studied when there is no longer movement?"

    Shoot I do this in baseball all the time. Too much was going on for me as a coach to see it all so I started using a high speed camera to catch my son pitching and batting. Then study frame by frame to see what needed to be worked on.

    I got the idea from some golfers who did the same thing.

     

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