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How some U.S. colleges limit freedom of speech

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54 comments:

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:04 am on Thu, Feb 7, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Did you ask the question? And why?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:11 pm on Sun, Feb 3, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Brian,
    Unfortunately, Ms. Bobin will argue emotion over facts every time.

    How do you feel about "Trapwire" or H.R. 347?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 10:39 am on Sun, Feb 3, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830


    Waiting for Ms. Bobin to comment on why the U.S. government allowed this technology developed here to get into the hands of the Chinese?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:12 am on Fri, Feb 1, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "Trapwire" IS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:41 am on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Most of what your article contained is already in use in China including facial recognition systems that locate dissidents at a moments notice and knowing immediately who you are talking to on your cell phone.

    And if we can see terrorist targets from sattelites in space and kill individuals with drones using that information with a great deal of accuracy, the "spy network" is nothing new.

    [scared][sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:30 pm on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    An utterly idiotic statement to make considering my vehement opposition to the curtailing of liberties not mention the fact that the United States has been developing “Big Brother” surveillance technologies that dictators of China never even dreamed were possible.

    For example, a very highly sophisticated surveillance grid known as “Trapwire”

    http://thetruthwins.com/archives/creepy-nationwide-network-of-spy-cameras-will-transform-america-into-an-orwellian-prison-camp

    [sleeping][sleeping][sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:54 pm on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Maybe Mr. Liebich would appreciate life on Chinese campuses where cameras in every classroom prevent professors and students from discussing anything the government doesn't like.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:34 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    There is nothing to "disagree" with Mike.

    The legislation I mentioned is federal law.
    [sleeping]

    I wonder why you are so dumbfounded by this reality...[lol]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:24 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I think someone does need to explain it or do you ascribe to the following? Which is it? BTW, thanks for the story idea.

    http://www.infowars.com/cbs-runs-segment-called-lets-give-up-on-the-constitution/

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:47 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Yeah, yeah, yeah. I already read the entire bill. And I don't need a FOX News bimbo (male or female) to "explain" it to me as you apparently do, Mr. Liebich.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:43 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    [yawn]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:26 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I think it's time to provide Ms. Bobin and Mr. Adams with another Reality Check...

    http://youtu.be/C_SXcch1nw0

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:14 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    You already asked me how the law I brought up "affects free speech on college campuses" and I already told you.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:12 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    FEDERAL LAW is NOT "conspiracy theory" or a "YouTube video"

    IT'S FEDERAL LAW!!! [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:09 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich asked: "What does legislation passed by the House and Senate and signed by the President have to do with "mathematical conventions" or "laws of physics"?"

    Hint: 1+1 does not equal 11.

    Making connections that do not exist does not support your case, Mr. Liebich.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:07 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    It still has NOTHING to do with this column, whether you wish it to or not.

    Therefore, it is irrelevant to the conversation.

    Perhaps a little reading comprehension brush-up would do you some good, Mr. Liebich. That way you could ascertain what the content of a piece of writing is really trying to convey.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:17 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1383

    See Post Below.

    Clarifying 1 conspiracy theory with another conspiracy theory does not make either conspiracy theory true.

    And this is most telling: Notice there is no denial that conspiracy theories and you tube video content are actually true.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:00 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    What does legislation passed by the House and Senate and signed by the President have to do with "mathematical conventions" or "laws of physics"?
    [lol][lol][lol]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:26 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Legislation passed by the House and Senate and signed by the President is not “irrelevant law”, “conspiracy theory” or a “YouTube video.”
    [sleeping]

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 4:27 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Lodi 1970 Posts: 85

    Fair enough. I also appreciate hearing about the personal experiences of others on this forum. It always helps to see things (or at least to think about them) through multiple eyes, I believe.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:56 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Actually, Mr. Liebich, I have found that personal experiece is more valuable than your "one size fits all" logic in which the "man" is out to get everyone.

    The bizarre connections you make to every issue are just that, bizarre! They defy any known mathematical conventions and the laws of physics and play solely on the emotions of the ill-informed.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:48 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Ms. Welch asked: "Ms Bobin, Is your comment meant to insult Liebich's intelligence, or is it meant as a "if you didn't go to college, then you really can't speak to Dr. Hansen's contention about liberal professors" jab?"

    The purpose of the question is the latter, to see if Mr. Liebich had any personal experience on this topic rather than his usual references to irrelevant laws and youtube videos (which he believes are all TRUE and unadulterated, non-edited and should be taken at face value) to prove his points.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:07 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    In Ms. Bobin's mind ad hominem logic which forbears any actual material fact constitutes a rebuttal.
    [rolleyes]

     
  • shawn sanborn posted at 7:55 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

    shawn sanborn Posts: 15

    One thing is for certain. This is just part of many things going on that stripps you of your rights either by making you think you dont have any to in many cases actual being taken away from you. They do this bu convincing you that what they want to do is good for you. That is one way. Another, and I find this one the most repulsive is placating people and making sure the detestable foorball or sports game is always there along with foolish sitcoms and other meaningless shows. By doing these things many are either lulled or fooled, thus goes your rights, Just read patriot act II as if the first one was not bad enough! I have had many conversations with (college grads) and I clearly can see how indoctrinalized they are with deluded thinking and false history teachings that they think are factual, making heroes out of histroical figures that are really criminals!

    One of the things that the (scholarly) community does is once they can no longer mock a field of study (like paranormal science) they then act like they are the experts on the topic and you must pay to them the extortion fee required or you will not be granted the (license) to practice said field. It must drive the acadamic scholars nuts to meet some one who never whent through their indoctronation and yet knows far more than they could ever hope to on subjects they assumed they had the monopoly on. That being withholding knowledge unless you pay the fee and as a bonus you will receive a warped and horrible way of thinking.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 3:27 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

    Lodi 1970 Posts: 85

    Ms Bobin,
    Is your comment meant to insult Liebich's intelligence, or is it meant as a "if you didn't go to college, then you really can't speak to Dr. Hansen's contention about liberal professors" jab?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:50 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I guess that was an emphatic "NO!"

    As suspected.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:52 am on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "OFF TOPIC!!!!"

    "The topic here is Dr. Hansen's contention that liberal professors are taking over college campuses and forcing students to think, speak, and believe in a certain manner."

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:12 am on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Just curious, Mr. Liebich - did you go to college?

    Do you have a degree?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:31 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "OFF TOPIC!!!!"

    "The topic here is Dr. Hansen's contention that liberal professors are taking over college campuses and forcing students to think, speak, and believe in a certain manner."

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:26 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    You already asked me how the law I brought up "affects free speech on college campuses" and I already told you.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:34 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Oh, boy!!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:29 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I must preface this by saying that ANYONE who attends a Christian university such as Liberty (reference below), Bob Jones U (no interracial dating), or Pat Robertson University (rewrites history), should know ahead of time that these universities blatently use "Christian" principles and mind control on its students.

    "Liberty University has ordered its fledgling College Democrats club to shut down, saying the group stands against the conservative Christian school's moral principles.

    Club president Brian Diaz said he was shocked to be notified by e-mail last week that the club was being banned by the private university in Lynchburg founded by the late Rev. Jerry Falwell. The university first recognized it in the fall.

    "We were shocked, as well, that (the club) even got accepted. It was huge, and we were glad that Liberty did that," Diaz said in a telephone interview from Orlando, Fla.

    The club is barred from using Liberty's name, advertising events and holding meetings on campus. Violators could be reprimanded and face expulsion for repeated offenses.

    Vice president of student affairs Mark Hine said in the e-mail sent to Diaz on May 15 that the Democratic party violates the school's principles by supporting abortion, socialism and the "'LGBT' agenda," referring to lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transgender people. The e-mail said that even though the campus group "may not support the more radical planks of the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party is still the parent organization of the club on campus."

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:16 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "The legislation I brought up criminalizes free speech."

    OFF TOPIC!!!!

    The topic here is Dr. Hansen's contention that liberal professors are taking over college campuses and forcing students to think, speak, and believe in a certain manner. It has NOTHING to do with the law you brought up.

     
  • David Diskin posted at 10:03 am on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

    David Diskin Posts: 183

    I wonder if this book will mention what many of our nation's private religious universities have done to limit free speech.

    I can easily cite instances where secular- or science-based clubs were shut down (or prevented to open) on campuses. And I don't think it would take more than a few minutes to find cases where students were punished for questioning their faith, professing a belief in evolution, or *gasp* studying climate change.

    I've even seen public high schools turn away applications for a secular student club, while multiple Christian clubs exist on the same campus.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:48 am on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Wrong.
    [sleeping]

    H. R. 347 makes protest of any type (OR DISTANCE) potentially a federal offense with anywhere from a year to 10 years in federal prison, providing it occurs in the presence of elites brandishing Secret Service protection, or during an officially defined 'National Special Security Event' (NSSE)

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:41 am on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    You are referring to United States Code Title 18, Section 871.
    [sleeping]

    The legislation I brought up criminalizes free speech.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:03 am on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Just have to keep a certain distance.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:59 am on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    If you noticed, I didn't mention the second amendment. Let me spell it out for you:

    Our highest officials need protection, which is what the legislation YOU brought up does, nothing more.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:45 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    H.R. 347 and S. 1794 are not an "opinion"......
    [sleeping]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 7:06 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1383

    I couldn't care less what opinion you have copy and pasted from someone more able.

    If you wish to be treated like an equal, show some respect. Until then, buzz off.

    I do look forward to reporting you to the Obama administration for speaking out. That would be quite satisfying and would give all of us a rest from your serial paste jobs (which you claim to have written yourself - only problem is that when you google any of your text, it's always someone else who wrote it, not you).

    Now let me suppress your 1st Amendment rights, by objecting to all of your posts.

     
  • Ted Lauchland posted at 5:03 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

    Ted Lauchland Posts: 254

    Back to the point of the article.

    School age children and adults that have not experienced anything but the school classroom are very impressionable by their teachers. They have been a captive audience by an adult individual with opinions. In the latter years of education they should be at least taught a good way of participating in government issues. Sitting on steps and chanting is a highly questionable, media driven, squeeky wheel tantrum.

    In 1970 I participated in a time capsule to be opened in the year 2000. It had student predictions of what the future would look like the year it was to be opened. We invited the teacher to come to the opening. He refused. We each read our predictions out loud and stood there with mouths open. Each one was the same tune. Pollution , doom and gloom. As parents of our own children now we were very aware of the influence the teacher had made. My father had mentioned his concern at that time but I had wrote him off as not being serious. Some pollution opinions did drive for a cleaner environment in the long run but the doom and gloom spoke loudly coming from an idolized teacher.

    Teachers are important but when I hear that most are democrats and paid a wage by the government I question the true teachings of political attitudes within that classroom.
    Also heard for this last election was that there was a push to lower the voting age by the democratic party to capture an influenced vote. - Not cool.
    To further a point I also question whether an inexperienced young person should even be considered for the position of jury duty let alone vote on other critical issues.

    Young, Old, educated, or uneducated nothing replaces experience in real world issues.

    Democrats or Republicans are all the same in seeking the vote. Crossing the line of involving young adults is (fill in the blank). It crosses that question of whether kids have the same rights as adults as the parents raise them. When is the magical age of maturity and qualified decision making?

    Yep - had a good conversation with a couple of college students around the campfire not too long ago.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 4:09 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Thank-you for proving one of the points Mr. Hansen made in his column as well as failing miserably, once again, to substantiate your own position...

    As Mr. Hansen stated, there are those who "believe "free speech" means the right to shout down and disrupt the parlance of others — somewhat reminiscent of European fascists in the 1930s. They also believe they have a right to ban individuals with dissenting points of view from speaking."

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 11:47 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1383

    Was I talking to you?

    Butt out.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:13 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    What does the 2nd ammendment have to do with the 1st? [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:10 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Is the Secret Service present when the President speaks at a college campus?
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:58 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I see an attack on the 1st ammendment for what it is. An attack on the 1 ammendment. I'm not helplessly stuck in the false left/right paradigm Ms. Bobin.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:29 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Just like the mentally challenged at the NRA who believe that President Obama's children should not have Secret Service protection when THEY, not "ordinary" school children, receive specific death threats all the time.

    President Obama receives over 30 death threats DAILY, but some geniuses think there shouldn't be "special treatment" for those who make them. Just a slap on the wrist and let them go, right, Mr. Liebich?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:23 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Fortunately for me, Mr. Adams, I'm not saying this in a building where the President or Vice-President is present or where anyone who is protected by the Secret Service is present.

    How do you explain, Mr. Liebich, the fact that this bill was passed in an overwhelmingly Republican congress.

    Oh, yeah - Obama was holding a gun to their collective heads at the time they passed this bill and that seriously impaired their ability to think rationally.

    And if memory serves me - YOU ridiculed the Occupy movement - so why are you complaining about Republican legislation that is a biproduct of it and has resulted in the curtailing of your freedom of speech?

    Or are you just po'd that THEY ruined it for you?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:14 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I"'ll try to dumb it down for the mentally oblivious..."

    DUMB being the key word here.

    I certainly hope that you are not allowed anywhere near children or other mentally susceptible people that may swallow this garbage.

    Since you think I'm so "dumb," explain to me EXACTLY how this affects free speech on college campuses. Don't leave anything out - don't copy and paste - say it in your own words which, from experience, usually contain the words "dumb," "mentally oblivious," "libtard," "sheeple," "dipshidiot," and on and on, so I know I'll have to cut through the additional insulting garbage to distill whatever nonsense you come up with.

    Waiting anxiously to see if the "no copy and paste" policy makes Mr. Liebich incapable of rational speech - or ANY speech at all.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:41 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    How does a piece of legislation passed by the House and Senate and signed by the President morph into "conspicary/conservative lore"??????????
    [sleeping]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:57 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1383

    Joanne: Don't you understand yet? Personal experiences with conspiracy/conservative lore is not nearly as valuable as stories that are second and third generation (a friend of a friend of a friend had this class....).

    Also, you can be sentenced to 10 years in prison after March 8, maybe forever, for what you have said here. I'm just saying...

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:41 pm on Wed, Jan 23, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    H.R. 347 passed the House by a vote of 388–3.
    [sleeping]

    The Senate version (S. 1794) passed unanimously.
    [sleeping]

    With President Obama’s signature, the Act became law on March 8.
    [sleeping]

    I'll try to dumb it down for the mentally oblivious...

    Your 1st ammendment rights to peaceably assemble and petition your Government for a redress of grievances can now result in criminal penalties that include imprisonment for up to 10 years.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Bobcatbob Ingram posted at 4:50 pm on Wed, Jan 23, 2013.

    99er Posts: 119

    I agree, I can remember when political correctness was regarded as Nazi and Commie methods of control.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:39 am on Wed, Jan 23, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    This column is misleading at best and only serves to support extreme right-wing views that colleges and universities are run/controlled by communists, socialists, Marxists, far left liberals, etc.

    What Dr. Hansen fails to mention is that the largest percentage of "free speech" that is restricted on campuses has more to do with sexual harassment and the like:

    from California Watch: http://californiawatch.org/dailyreport/which-colleges-restrict-free-speech-7872

    "UC Santa Cruz got a red light in part for its harassment policy, which includes "sexual jokes, comments or innuendos" and "remarks about a person's body" as examples of prohibited sexual harassment.

    A yellow light means the university's policies could be interpreted to suppress protected speech, or its policies restrict narrow categories of free speech, such as "posters promoting alcohol consumption." A green light means the college's policies do not seriously threaten campus expression."

    Ginning up fear about free speech restrictions is irresponsible.

    My experiences at several California schools, including a writing course in which the instructor explained that he was an adherent of the Marxist theory of writing (which has little to do with Marxism itself - a politics never entered the classroom), instructors neither forced their beliefs on anyone nor demanded that students restrict themselves to a certain type of thinking.

    Oh - I forgot - back in the 1980's I took an economics class at Delta during which the instructor shouted down a student (who happened to be a Vietnamese immigrant) for standing up and explaining the economic system in Vietnam that the instructor happened to be criticizing at the moment.

    I'll never forgot how embarrassed the student was when the elderly capitalist shouted, "If communism was so GREAT, YOU would not be here in the US. WE would all be in Vietnam!"

    Needless to say I quit the class, as did the humiliated student, realizing that there would NOT be an openminded exchange of ideas as long as this right wing dictator was the instructor.

     

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