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Posted: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:00 pm

During World War II, General George Patton once stood before a group of proud American soldiers and said: "America loves a winner and will not tolerate a loser."

After that speech, he led his Third Army to some of the greatest victories in military history.

Fast-forwarding 64 years later, Barack Obama today, says he wants "change." Does that mean America now loves a loser and will not tolerate a winner?

Let's face it. Things have not gone so well since the big one. First of all, there was Korea. We were doing pretty well until President Truman fired General MacArthur and the Chinese scared us out of the place. What did we get for all that effort and sacrific - some Japanese knockoff cars and a few spare computer parts.

Next stop to the league cellar was the Bay of Pigs. This was such a disaster, that most kids today don't even know what it was. Not exactly a major point in any high school history lesson.

Then there was Vietnam. After spending billions and losing 58,000 American lives, we had these guys on the ropes. Even General Giap admitted it was over for them. What happened? A few pot-smoking, crybaby college kids put up a fuss, and America turned tail and ran. The result? Millions were killed in Cambodia by a nut called Pol Pot. Now we trade technology with these guys for fish. Not exactly Super Bowl strategy, if you ask me.

Oh yes. There was our great victory in Granada in the 1970's. The U.S. Military actually beat an Army less than the size of the Cincinnati police force. Oh well, I guess we take the victories where we can get them.

Kuwait had possibilities. We were really doing fantastically well until our great leaders decided that the slaughter was not good PR on the evening news. What happened? We left Saddam Hussein to fight another day.

Don't forget Bosnia in the 1990's. Why we were there was a mystery, and today we still don't have a clue.

And of course, there was Mogadishu. A few brave American heroes got whacked on a humanitarian mission, and we ran like chicken soup in a cheap restaurant.

That brings us to the present day in Iraq. It sounds like the great General would have been disappointed again. Once more, the old hippies from the sixties have dusted off their anti-war placards, taken a handful of Centrum Silver, and are marching for defeat one more time.

It doesn't seem to matter whether a Republican or Democrat is in charge at the White House. Both parties, since 1945, have had their share of defeats, although the Democrats might have a slight edge on this one.

While Obama is not specific when he says he wants "change," does that mean he wants a real victory for America, or does he simply want us to continue our competition with France to see who can lose the most number of wars since Napoleon?

Only time will tell.

Steve Hansen is a Lodi satirist.

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96 comments:

  • posted at 10:25 pm on Wed, May 21, 2008.

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    Actually, you can learn more about Dr Santry from a personal ad he put on line if you spend enough time on Google.Personally, I am satisfied that he is a real, if slightly sycophantic, individual.One thing is for certain, he sure does LOVE Steve Hansen. I'd wager he's Steve's biggest fan.

     
  • posted at 10:16 pm on Wed, May 21, 2008.

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    I found Santry. It looks like he is some sort of a civilian employee at an Army garrison in Germany but the reference I saw said that he is a Manager, not a Professor.He is, however, a doctor. Given the way he treats Hansen, I am guessing his specialty is proctology.

     
  • posted at 10:13 pm on Wed, May 21, 2008.

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    dyan wrote on May 21, 2008 8:03 PM:" Lodian: I guess it's just "over your head." Chuckle.... All hail Dyan, an intellectual God amongst us poor non thinking liberal mortals.Please, oh mighty Dyan, shed more of your mighty wisdom on us.

     
  • posted at 4:55 pm on Wed, May 21, 2008.

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    Ok, I tried Dr. Robert M. Santry. I just got a few posts on various discussion boards, etc. This would seem to bolster the suspicion that ol Doc Santry is a fake. Can you post a link to verify that this person really exists?

     
  • posted at 3:18 pm on Wed, May 21, 2008.

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    Hey, you intellectual giants. Try "Robert M.Santry."

     
  • posted at 3:03 pm on Wed, May 21, 2008.

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    Lodian: I guess it's just "over your head."

     
  • posted at 10:58 am on Wed, May 21, 2008.

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    That's hilarious, Leonard! I just checked too. The only R.M. Santry is a poster on this LNS website. A fake? Could our friend Mr. Hansen be tooting his own horn? LOL!

     
  • posted at 5:20 am on Wed, May 21, 2008.

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    One wonders what Dr. Santry is a Professor of.I googled his name but I could not find any University or College that listed him on their faculty roster.

     
  • posted at 1:25 am on Wed, May 21, 2008.

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    If I were a student in your history class I would both laugh (nervous laughter) and cry. Every Memorial Day and POW/MIA commemoriation I wonder "why?" What happened to American's greatness?Superb article, Sir.Prof. Dr. R.M. SantryOber-Ramstadt, Germany

     
  • posted at 1:55 pm on Tue, May 20, 2008.

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    Dyan: What are you talking about?

     
  • posted at 12:42 pm on Tue, May 20, 2008.

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    Oh I love this election year. Like Chris Matthews says "it is Christmas Eve again tonight."It just goes on and on and on. I love it. It is fun to watch our election process.

     
  • posted at 11:23 am on Tue, May 20, 2008.

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    Why is that? Is you view of reality superior to others? If so. How did you obtain that superiority?

     
  • posted at 10:23 am on Tue, May 20, 2008.

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    Leonard wrote on May 20, 2008 12:23 PM:"Logic is a branch of philosophy that dates back at least 2,500 years. The basic fallacies have been known since the time of Aristotle."Leonard: I suspect your response went waaaaay over Dyan's head. :-)

     
  • posted at 9:13 am on Tue, May 20, 2008.

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    dyan wrote on May 20, 2008 1:09 PM:" Do you fancy yourself as a "Mr. Spock?"LOL!!! No, I'm just another liberal who cannot think, trembling in awe at your mental majesty.

     
  • posted at 8:09 am on Tue, May 20, 2008.

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    Do you fancy yourself as a "Mr. Spock?"

     
  • posted at 7:23 am on Tue, May 20, 2008.

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    Logic is a branch of philosophy that dates back at least 2,500 years. The basic fallacies have been known since the time of Aristotle.

     
  • posted at 7:17 am on Tue, May 20, 2008.

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    O.K. You've educated me. Now,who makes the rules to decide what is "logical?"

     
  • posted at 4:34 am on Tue, May 20, 2008.

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    Man, why don't you go, get a basic education, and come back when you've learned how to formulate an argument?Logic can work just as well for a conservative argument as for a liberal argument. The argument must, however, be formulated logically or it will be completely worthless, regardless of the ideology behind it.

     
  • posted at 4:27 am on Tue, May 20, 2008.

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    Of course! This is why everyone agrees on everything.

     
  • posted at 3:32 am on Tue, May 20, 2008.

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    dyan wrote on May 20, 2008 8:15 AM:" If I had the logic of a liberal, I would take from the productive and give to the non-productive. Then I would try to find an example in history where that thinking has shown long-term success. "The rules of logic are neither conservative nor liberal. A fallacy is a fallacy. Anyone who tries to politicize them will only, in the end, make a fool of themselves.Case in point...

     
  • posted at 3:15 am on Tue, May 20, 2008.

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    If I had the logic of a liberal, I would take from the productive and give to the non-productive. Then I would try to find an example in history where that thinking has shown long-term success.

     
  • posted at 4:32 pm on Mon, May 19, 2008.

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    Basic logic is just a "detail"???Well, I guess that goes a long way towards explaining how we got into this mess.

     
  • posted at 3:34 pm on Mon, May 19, 2008.

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    Pick apart the details, but Hansen's article is basically correct. We have become a nation of cowards. Terrorists are willing to die for what they believe. Most of us are not. In the end, who's going to win this one?

     
  • posted at 4:05 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Dyan, if lefties didn't think, I wouldn't enjoy our back and forth repartee so much. Far left and far right and everyone in between think equally, just not alike. That's what makes this enjoyable, and our country great. The thing is that we need to respect one another's points of view, no matter how much we disagree. In the end, we all have one vote. Unless, of course,you live in Chicago. By the way, I know Steve fancies himself a satirist, but he's never very funny. But he is an intelligent and learned man. I don't think this particular article was written from a satirists point of view. I think these are his serious feelings regarding this subject matter. From any point of view, there is no humor to be found here, but there is a heavy dose of sarcasm.

     
  • posted at 2:46 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Lodian, they know.Leonard, voter, cogito and now dyan love the act of arguing.Sit back and watch... or jump in.

     
  • posted at 1:40 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Remeber, Steve Hansen is a satirist.

     
  • posted at 1:19 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    C, you are missing the point entirely. The instances Hansen references are irrelevant because his basic thesis is based on a fallacy.In each of these instances, the possible outcomes are not limited to the actual outcome and the outcome that Hansen projects. In truth, most of the outcomes Hansen fantasizes about are really rather unlikely.

     
  • posted at 1:17 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Thanks, Leonard, for presenting that so well.

     
  • posted at 1:15 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    FIRSTdyan wrote on May 17, 2008 8:25 AM:" Give it up, Cogito. Lefties don't think. AND THENdyan wrote on May 18, 2008 5:18 PM:" OK Lenny. You might have me on that one.Interesting Dyan. I wonder where that leaves you.:)

     
  • posted at 1:15 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Leonard, in the decades and decades of wars and lesser skirmishes mentioned here, the subject of your rebuttal is minute potatoes compared to the authors subject matter. If this were a boxing match, it would look like Tyson/Spinks.

     
  • posted at 1:07 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Cogito wrote on May 18, 2008 4:39 PM:" Yes Leonard, it was technically a rebuttal, but it was WEAK my brother! There was way more speculation there than one would like.The speculation was just an example the demonstrate the fallacy that lies at the core of Hansen's article. Since you are obviously unfamiliar with logical fallacies and the fallacy of the false dilemma in particular, I looked up this explanation on the internet that I think you may find instructional:The informal fallacy of false dilemma involves a situation in which only two alternatives are considered, when in fact there are other options. This fallacy is also called false dichotomy, the either-or fallacy, and bifurcation. Closely related are failing to consider a range of options and the tendency to think in extremes, called black-and-white thinking. Strictly speaking, the prefix "di" in "dilemma" means "two". When a list of more than two choices are offered, but there are other choices not mentioned, then the fallacy is called the fallacy of false choice.

     
  • posted at 12:57 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Wars end when a peace agreement has been negotiated.

     
  • posted at 12:38 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Isn't that how you win a war?

     
  • posted at 12:26 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Paragraph 8, "We were really doing fantastically well until our great leaders decided that the slaughter was not good PR on the evening news . . ." seems to indicate that more slaughter would have been desirable.

     
  • posted at 12:22 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Where does he say that?

     
  • posted at 12:20 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Dyan, Hansen's basic premise is that we have not killed enough people.

     
  • posted at 12:18 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    OK Lenny. You might have me on that one.But the doesn't change Hansen's basic premise that the Chinese scared us out of the place.

     
  • posted at 11:58 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Personally I think a great "change" would be to give peace a chance. Why not try "No Wars?"

     
  • posted at 11:39 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Yes Leonard, it was technically a rebuttal, but it was WEAK my brother! There was way more speculation there than one would like. I want something a little more concrete if possible. If anyone can do it Leonard, I would expect to be either you, or voter.

     
  • posted at 11:33 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Arrogance is my middle name!;-)

     
  • posted at 10:10 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    dyan wrote on May 18, 2008 12:12 PM:" Hey Lenny. You forgot that only the US had nukes in 1950 -before the Rosenbergs turned traitor in '53 -remember? "Chuckle.... Dyan, your knowledge of history is everything that I would expect from someone with your conservative credentials.Neither the United States nor the USSR had fusion bombs in 1950. The United States did not test the fusion bomb until 1951.BOTH the United States and the USSR, however had acquired atomic arsenals by 1950. The Soviets first tested their Atomic Bomb in 1949 and, by the time MacArthur proposed the atomic bombing of China, the Soviets had enough bombs to take out at least a couple Western cities.

     
  • posted at 8:13 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    dyan wrote on May 18, 2008 12:13 PM:"Be as arrogant as you want Cogito. I love it!"Cogito arrogant? Nooooooo! LOL ;-)

     
  • posted at 7:13 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Be as arrogant as you want Cogito. I love it!

     
  • posted at 7:12 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Hey Lenny. You forgot that only the US had nukes in 1950 -before the Rosenbergs turned traitor in '53 -remember?

     
  • posted at 4:23 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Cogito wrote on May 18, 2008 9:14 AM: Good job Leonard, the rest of you chime in accordinglyHey, you asked me what was wrong with Hansen's piece and I told you.

     
  • posted at 4:18 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Anyone want to take a crack at Vietnam? It was JFKs Iraq you know, but a lot more people died.

     
  • posted at 4:17 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Who died and made you Lord of the Realm, Cogito? That last comment was rather arrogant, so back at ya, buddy :)

     
  • posted at 4:14 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Dick Cheney can tell you why we didn't remove Saddam during the first gulf war--it would create a no-win "quagmire." In his own 1994 words:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY

     
  • posted at 4:14 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Good job Leonard, the rest of you chime in accordingly.

     
  • posted at 3:07 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    That and the fact that Hansen misspelled "Grenada".

     
  • posted at 3:06 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Cogito wrote on May 17, 2008 11:47 PM:" If Mr. Hansens writings are pure buffoonery, it should be easy to point out his mistakes. Don't you think?Well, you can start with the fact that the entire article is based on the Fallacy of the False Dilemma.The nonsense about Korea is a perfect example. One of the reasons that Macarthur was removed from command was that he insisted that the United States launch an atomic first strike on mainland China to disrupt Chinese troop concentrations. The assertion that an atomic war in 1950 would have been preferable to the actual outcome is, to say the least, questionable.US atomic strikes against Communist China would have almost certainly resulted in Soviet retaliation against Western Europe where the Red Army outnumbered American troops 10 to 1. Whats more, by 1950, the USSR had its own Atomic Weapons that might well have been deployed against Paris or London. While the US might well have prevailed in the resulting atomic exchange, the result would have been a radically changed Europe, parts of which would still be too radioactive to inhabit today.

     
  • posted at 6:47 pm on Sat, May 17, 2008.

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    If Mr. Hansens writings are pure buffoonery, it should be easy to point out his mistakes. Don't you think?

     
  • posted at 6:44 pm on Sat, May 17, 2008.

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    Lodian, I'm just waiting for someone to write a well thought out rebuttal. So far, no one has. Only name calling and back patting.

     
  • posted at 6:25 pm on Sat, May 17, 2008.

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    Cogito: I don't think anyone takes Steve Hansen's writings seriously.

     
  • posted at 5:34 pm on Sat, May 17, 2008.

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    Just checking in and NOPE, still nothing.

     
  • posted at 4:36 pm on Sat, May 17, 2008.

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    You're right. They should discredit Obama based on his record, except he doesn't have one - other than voting left of Fidel Castro.

     
  • posted at 12:04 pm on Sat, May 17, 2008.

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    These guys are getting so desperate to discredit Obama that they have lost all sense of reality.

     
  • posted at 12:03 pm on Sat, May 17, 2008.

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    OMG. Rush Limbaugh made an even bigger a$$ out of himself than Kevin James this week. LOL! Rush was burned by his limited understanding of Google and used a 12 year old essay by a 10th grader to attack Obama. Read about it here:http://brandonlive.com/2008/05/15/rush-limbaugh-berates-10th-graders-school-essay/The story can be confirmed on Limbaugh's own website where the transcript of the show is posted.http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_051408/content/01125111.guest.html

     
  • posted at 7:40 am on Sat, May 17, 2008.

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    Voter, I saw that live on Chris Matthews. I was amazed at what an idiot this guy is. It was so obvious he had no clue what he was ranting about. All he wanted to do was to try and smear Obama. Instead he did an excellent job of smearing himself.

     
  • posted at 7:28 am on Sat, May 17, 2008.

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    voter wrote on May 17, 2008 10:50 AM:" Watch this televised performance by Kevin James, a right wing radio host. Then we can talk about who can't think and who just repeats talking points. It's the funniest slapdown I've seen.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1wSZBTAXRsOMG!!! That was literally amazing. I was laughing my asp off at every pathetic moment of it.

     
  • posted at 5:50 am on Sat, May 17, 2008.

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    Watch this televised performance by Kevin James, a right wing radio host. Then we can talk about who can't think and who just repeats talking points. It's the funniest slapdown I've seen.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1wSZBTAXRs

     
  • posted at 5:10 am on Sat, May 17, 2008.

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    dyan wrote on May 17, 2008 8:25 AM: Give it up, Cogito. Lefties don't think.Chuckle... this from the folks who brought us wingnut talk radio and Fox News.

     
  • posted at 3:25 am on Sat, May 17, 2008.

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    Give it up, Cogito. Lefties don't think. They only know how to repeat talking points they've heard in the media such as: "blood for oil,""torture," "Bush is a liar," "tax breaks for the rich," "war is harmful to living things..." etc., etc., etc.If you try to pin them on the facts, they simply change the subject.

     
  • posted at 7:19 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Oh wait, did I just ask for an "intelligent" rebuttal by a leftie? O.K., I'll admit, my bad, I'll settle for an interesting and or topical rebuttal by a leftie. I apologize for my unrealistic, yet hopeful, expectations.

     
  • posted at 6:55 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    You know, Steve nailed it so well on this article that I have yet to see an intelligent rebuttal by a leftie. Hellooo out there, HHEELLLLOOOOOOOO..............

     
  • posted at 3:50 am on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    T & C wrote on May 16, 2008 8:37 AM:" Obama is NOT for a Stong Military! Obama is NOT for IMMIGRATION CONTROL! As a Demo, Demo's have never been for Business=Jobs! Demos have always been for Social Programs! Sorry, I cannot vote For Obama nor Hillary/Bill!Who are you going to vote for?

     
  • posted at 3:37 am on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Obama is NOT for a Stong Military! Obama is NOT for IMMIGRATION CONTROL! As a Demo, Demo's have never been for Business=Jobs! Demos have always been for Social Programs! Sorry, I cannot vote For Obama nor Hillary/Bill!

     
  • posted at 3:11 am on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    That's a WIDE STANCE Leonard!

     
  • posted at 2:26 am on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Well, we could sit here all day and argue about who has less integrity, the Dems or the party of Senator Footsie, but I am not sure where that would get us.Personally, I think that either Obama or McCain would be a great improvement in that particular department.

     
  • posted at 3:45 pm on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    I think that when Obama says "change", he's referring to the sweeping changes the Democrats promised when they took over the House and Senate. He plans to continue all their hard work and success. Good for him.

     
  • posted at 3:34 pm on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Leonard, he only said GW has more integrity than all the Democrats. That's a pretty low bar to step over.

     
  • posted at 3:32 pm on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Voter, you're thinking is stuck in a box regarding your 80% statistic. Many like me would answer that question the same way because we believe our country is being taken over by failed liberal idealism. I definitely think our country is headed in the wrong direction, left IS the wrong direction.

     
  • posted at 2:48 pm on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Wait, do you have any examples of Bush lying Leonard?

     
  • posted at 1:24 pm on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Tom Carlson wrote on May 15, 2008 3:45 PM:I am not the biggest fan of G W, but he has more integrityI don't know what you can possibly say to a man who thinks W has integrity.

     
  • posted at 10:45 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Voter - are those the same American's I saw on the Tonight Show in a segment called Jay Walking?Half of Americans can't find Iraq on a map because of our liberal education system. Listen to the promises the ole "cut and run" dems are making at every campaign stop. Heck, they don't even know who they are running against. If Obama thought he could beat George W, he should have run 4 years ago.I am not the biggest fan of G W, but he has more integrity than the whole dem party can muster at their convention. He tried to do what he said he was going to do. And all those dems were applauding him at the time. When the going got tough, they cut and ran. McCain at least stood his ground. No waffling there.

     
  • posted at 9:41 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Some of you must have your heads stuck in the sand. A series of recent polls indicate that more than 80% of Americans believe the country is on the wrong track. I guess this would give a candidate the idea that the public wants change. Even McCain is calling for change.

     
  • posted at 9:33 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Hmmm... which of my facts do you contest?

     
  • posted at 9:22 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Excellent writing Steve. Kind of fun watching Leonard struggle with factual information. I think the majority of the voters will be asking the same question, what does Obama mean by change? I have a sneaking suspision McCain's wife is already shopping for new White House china.

     
  • posted at 7:21 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    As they say in Texas, you can spend your whole day putting make up and mascara on this pig but its still going to squeal when you take it to bed tonight.No matter how you cut it, George W. Bush is absolutely the Worst President in History.

     
  • posted at 7:19 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    dyan wrote on May 15, 2008 11:54 AM:" Lenny's right. We don't want to make the poor terrorists uncomfortable.I don't think we are in any danger of making the terrorists uncomfortable.The war in Iraq has been the greatest recruiting tool the radical Islamicists have ever known. Meanwhile, Osama Bin Laden, the man who murdered thousands of innocent American civilians, continues to relax and eat pop tarts in his Pakistani Palace, free from any annoyance by American forces.Never has a war been handled with more incompetence by an American President.

     
  • posted at 6:56 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Cater's biggest fault is he is nut who thinks Castro is great and UFOs have landed in his backyard.

     
  • posted at 6:54 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Lenny's right. We don't want to make the poor terrorists uncomfortable.Let's stay ignorant on military intelligence and let them blow a few million of us up. That will certainly lower gas prices.

     
  • posted at 5:29 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Carter's biggest fault was that he was painfully honest.Bush's biggest fault is that he is a compulsive liar who can't tell the truth to save his soul.Given the choice....

     
  • posted at 5:28 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Cogito wrote on May 15, 2008 9:45 AM:" Lennie, what was better under Carter, the economy? Inflation? Interest rates? Price of peanuts?Well, you could start with gas prices which, adjusted for inflation, were significantly lower under Carter. You could add to that the fact that we were at peace for 4 years. Then combine that with the fact that the US was actually an advocate of human rights instead of a proprietor of secret torture camps.

     
  • posted at 4:45 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Lennie, what was better under Carter, the economy? Inflation? Interest rates? Price of peanuts? Too bad we elected the dumber Carter brother.

     
  • posted at 4:42 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Dyan, you and Lennie left out JFK.

     
  • posted at 4:23 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Brilliant argument. How about under Wilson, Roosevelt, Harry S. or LBJ?

     
  • posted at 4:18 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Great comparison. How about under LBJ, Harry S., or Roosevelt?

     
  • posted at 4:05 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    How many US soldiers were killed or seriously wounded under Jimmy Carter? 40?40 vs 40,000You tell me who was the better Commander in Chief.George W beats Carter on every front from his catastrophic devaluation of US currency to his amazing ability to seize defeat from the jaws of victory in conflict after conflict.Carter was a bad President.W is far and away the WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY!!!!

     
  • posted at 2:31 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    It will always be Jimmy Carter, and he did it in only 4 years. But it took that moron to get us the greatest, Ronaldus Maximus." Sometimes satire is lost on the less able"?, no one knows that better than you Lennie. Thanks for the ROTFLOL!

     
  • posted at 2:30 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Naw. you forgot Jimmy Carter.

     
  • posted at 2:07 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Whether the winner in November is McCain or Obama, we can all take comfort in the fact that they can't possibly do a worse job than the current occupant of the White House.With each passing day it becomes more and more obvious that George W. Bush is truly the worst president in history.

     
  • posted at 2:05 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Sometimes, satire is lost on the less able.

     
  • posted at 2:05 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Names?Pshaw!I am simply admiring the man's ample talent.

     
  • posted at 1:57 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Excellent article Steve. When they start calling you names you know they got nothing. The politics of failure, that's what lefties are all about, too bad they can't see it.

     
  • posted at 12:47 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Brilliant Steve! Great Satire!Your nuanced parody of the rhetoric of the right wing blogosphere had me laughing on the floor.If anyone knows how to make the conservatives look like idiots, it is surely you.Keep up the good work!

     

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