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Posted: Saturday, April 6, 2013 12:00 am

Some parents and high school graduates are questioning the value of a college education these days, and for good reason.

I was watching a TV commercial recently for a retail company that isn’t known for their princely pay or benefits.

The commercial featured shiny-faced grads of the University of Southern California and Southern Methodist University, two private and very expensive universities.

The annual cost to attend USC, including tuition, fees and housing, is about $50,000. After four years, a minimum of $200,000 has been shelled out. Graduates would have to work at the retail company for a lifetime to make a dent in their mountainous college debt.

The harsh reality is that today’s college graduates are the victims of a generation of job outsourcing, thousands of non-immigrant visas, illegal immigrants working in the underground economy and deferred action for childhood arrivals. Each of those immigration-related job killers has undermined young Americans’ futures.

Graduates’ outlooks are so grim that college administrators worry that students and their parents may conclude that a university education isn’t worth its very high and always increasing tuition. Before they commit, applicants demand to know how many Fortune 500 companies recruit on campus and how many undergraduates are accepted into medical or law school.

The common parlance to describe college students’ plight is “over-educated and under-employed.” And a report from the Center for College Affordability and Productivity concluded that many college-educated Americans have jobs that aren’t worth the price of their degree. No wonder, according to the Census Bureau, three in 10 young adults still live at home, the highest level since the 1950s.

Of 41.7 million working college graduates in 2010, 48 percent work in jobs that require less than a bachelor’s degree, and 38 percent of those polled didn’t even need high school diplomas, according to report authors Richard Vedder, Jonathan Robe and Christopher Denhart. In their opinion, the United States could be over-educating its citizens and wasting taxpayer money on producing graduates the nation’s economy doesn’t need.

In 2010, 39.3 percent of adults between the age 25 and 34 had a post-secondary degree, up from 38.8 percent in 2009. While the rate has inched up steadily since 2008, underemployment has kept pace. Vedder’s gloomy forecast is that the number of college grads will grow by 19 million between 2010 and 2020, while the number of jobs requiring advanced education is expected to grow by less than 7 million.

Complicating matters, in June 2012 the White House announced that it would offer what it called deferred action for childhood arrivals — the young children of illegal immigrants allegedly brought to the United States under circumstances beyond their control. Many of these deferred action recipients will compete head-to-head with already struggling American students. Adding to deferred action, Congress is furiously working on comprehensive immigration reform that would issue 11 million work permits to previously unemployable aliens (because of their immigration status) currently living in the U.S. — another nail in young Americans’ work prospects. On top of that, the legislation proposes to issue an additional 200,000 visas to unskilled workers.

Vedder warned that those who think a degree will lead to a good, middle class life should adjust their expectations downward. He said: “There’s a good chance you could end up being a bartender.”

Joe Guzzardi retired from the Lodi Unified School District in 2008. Contact him at guzzjoe@yahoo.com.

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23 comments:

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:59 am on Wed, Apr 10, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Many of Joe Guzzardi's columns end with the subscript "Joe Guzzardi is a California Native," AND he has talked about his Southern California roots many times.

    He ended up in Pittsburgh because that is where he can rub elbows with other xenophobes like Richard Mellon Scaife who is one of the chief benefactors of the organization for which Guzzardi writes - "Californians for Population Stabilization."

    Anyone who has read Guzzardi columns from day number one would know that he has the following opinion:

    Asians good.
    Mexicans bad.

    According to Guzzardi, Asians have a good work ethic and worked hard in his class to learn English. Mexicans, on the other hand, are lazy, ignorant, and do not want to learn English.

    Read some of his oldest columns in which he compared these two ethnicities.

    That is what makes him a bigot. And no wonder he has a biased opinion - at least while he was living in Lodi his significant other was a very pleasant Asian lady who often accompanied him to the dog park with his pack of 4-5 dogs.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:37 am on Wed, Apr 10, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    From what I know of Joe Guzzardi, I believe he is originally from the Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania area (as am I but from Philadelphia clear on the other side of the Commonwealth). And like Mr. Guzzardi, we both wound up in Lodi although I am sure we took very different paths to arrive here. After Mr. Guzzardi retired he chose to return to Pennsylvania. Of course I cannot fathom why he would rather live in Pittsburgh than California as I could never find myself living in Philadelphia again (although there is this one nice little borough in South Jersey that keeps drawing me to it).

    But while he was living here, Mr. Guzzardi began writing for the Lodi News-Sentinel. In my opinion he not only writes well, but his subject matters are compelling and worthy of consumption and at times vigorous debate (I don't always agree with anyone).

    Thankfully, the Editors of the News-Sentinel found it beneficial to keep Mr. Guzzardi writing for us. With technology as it is, it's simple to be 3,000 miles from one place to file a column by deadline in another. I hope he keeps on bringing us his brand of journalistic integrity that is so often absent from other newspapers - especially in California.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:24 am on Wed, Apr 10, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    Of course any and every person who wishes to uphold our immigration laws are racists - I think I understand that now. Of course that's patently absurd and should be dismissed out of hand.

    But I suppose those on the left believe if they spout it loud and long enough it might become true. Yes, there are those with certain challenges who might believe such an absurdity, but most reasonably intelligent people don't.

    Mr. Guzzardi is no more a racist than I am - and I believe most believe me to be reasonable and in no way racist. Of course if there are any here who wish to offer an opinion to the contrary, please make sure that you supply a little factual proof at the same time. It gets tiring when all I read is that someone is this or that with no proof to support the claim.

    As for as what makes a good Conservative, I don’t think we choose to “ignore” those things with which we disagree – we try to change them; just as liberals/progressives do as well – or do they “simply ignore those things?” But I would hope we might all agree that we are a nation of laws - and that unless and until laws are changed, we're expected to obey them; and those in law enforcement are expected to "enforce." Or are these concepts too difficult for some to grasp?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:23 am on Wed, Apr 10, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    And just where would one deport a "natural born citizen [of the United States] 'worthy of deportation'," Nebraska, Wyoming, Pennsylvania - Haiti?!? What an absurd statement.

    Of course there are good and decent illegal aliens - but they ARE here illegally (hence the term "illegal"). So I would think their reputations are already sullied if not just a little by the fact that they simply don't belong here; just as I wouldn't belong in any other country than the United States of America if I chose to ignore their immigration laws, crossed their borders illegally and pretended to belong. I would expect to be rounded up and sent back to my country of origin.

    As an American of German, Irish and Welsh descent, I would never think that I had a right to get to the head of the line in any of those countries. Where we are born IS important. Heck, we even expect our own President to be born in the United States of America. That alone is proof that we place great significance on our places of birth. But what, it shouldn’t be important just because liberals/progressives don’t like it? If so, then change the law. But until then, ENFORCE the laws we already have. It’s really that simple.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 10:12 am on Wed, Apr 10, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    Yeah, I know how that "ruffling up feathers" thingy might cause some to stop and think - maybe even do a little research to come to their own conclusions. How dare he!! And a Columnist at that!! Of course there is this alternative that many simply haven't begun to grasp yet - ignore those they find not to their taste? Nah! Where's the fun in that?

     
  • trista aquino posted at 3:00 am on Wed, Apr 10, 2013.

    trista aquino Posts: 116

    Man i cant stand how this columnist is always trying to ruffle up feathers and have us all waging war against eachother.... Just look at the job listings posted daily on your local Craigslist and youll see the majority of his words are a bunch of b.s.
    Legal? Illegal? I dont care where somebodys actual birthplace is- for heavens sake its not like we get to choose! And to tell you the truth, ive met more natural born U.S citizens worthy of deportation then illegal ones who actually get deported. Do you have any idea whats going on in their everyday life? Here you worry about jobs- there you have a job that pays 10 pesos and you gotta worry about handing over half of it on time before your head is cut off and they cant figure out which limb belongs to whos body. Think about That next time you feel your getting shafted. We are all equal and just bcuz some of us were lucky enough to have been born here, doesnt give us the right to be scornful or hinder those who werent.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:31 pm on Tue, Apr 9, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1565

    “In the practice of tolerance, one's enemy is the best teacher.”
    ― Dalai Lama XIV

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:28 pm on Tue, Apr 9, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1565

    “If I do not believe as you believe, it proves that you do not believe as I believe, and that is all that it proves.”
    ― Thomas Paine

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:26 pm on Tue, Apr 9, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1565

    “It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction - to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens.”
    ― George Washington

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:20 pm on Tue, Apr 9, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1565

    “It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”
    ― Thomas Jefferson

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 6:56 pm on Tue, Apr 9, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1565

    Am I being accused of being tolerant, shallow or part of a community.

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 4:09 pm on Tue, Apr 9, 2013.

    John Kindseth Posts: 245

    My belief in the shallowness of the "tolerance" community has again been confirmed.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:44 pm on Tue, Apr 9, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    You are correct - Klobuchar and Coons are both big recipients of campaign funding from big corporations so it makes absolute sense that they would participate in this bill. Coons, by the way, is a well known DINO who only won his senate seat because he was up against that brilliant candidate, Christine O'Donnell.

    Klobuchar especially has to make the Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing Company (otherwise known as 3M) happy, after all, and Coons has to keep all the lawyers that represent big corporations happy.

     
  • Christina Welch posted at 12:01 pm on Tue, Apr 9, 2013.

    Lodi 1970 Posts: 85

    Actually, the bill to increase the ceiling on H1B visas was a bipartisan deal introduced by Rubio & Hatch, yes, but also two Democrats--Amy Klobuchar and Chris Coons. Somehow that part got left out of the discussion...

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:11 am on Tue, Apr 9, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Curious just what "feminine studies" is? Is that another word for an Ob-Gyn?

    BTW - Ask Mr. Kindseth about his good buddy with an MA in psychology who decades ago opted out of the counseling business and into a job with a union and a great retirement plan. Guess that "feel-good" course of study was a waste, too.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:49 am on Tue, Apr 9, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1565

    Good info on H1B Joanne. The statement “feel good courses” by Mr. Kindseth is one I hear often on right wing radio. It sounds good when Rush the huckster Limbo spouts it out to his adoring fans or when Tom I pretend to be moderate Sullivan throws it out there safely to his non-judgmental following but when you use it in the light of open debate it just sounds ridiculous.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:25 am on Tue, Apr 9, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Yes, Mr. Barrow, uninformed is stating it politely.

    Why not Google careers for those majors, Mr. Kindseth, and get YOURSELF educated. To call these majors "feel-good courses" reveals a troubling lack of knowledge about the world we live in.

    As for the other majors listed, employers often "snap up" graduates from foreign countries because they can pay them 1/3 less than American citizens. There recently as a major backlash to a plan to send US graduates from foreign countries home immediately after graduation due to the depressed economy. Guess which party nixed that plan?

    The only immigration issue where I agree with Joe Guzzardi is the H1B Visa that allows graduates to take American jobs under the pretense that there are not enough Americans graduating with the skills they desire.

    Not surprisingly, the latest bill to increase the ceiling on H1B visas this year from 65,000 to 115,000 with provisions for a maximum 300,000, an increase that will greatly benefit the bottom line for large corporations, was introduced by Republicans Marco Rubio and Orin Hatch.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:36 am on Tue, Apr 9, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1565

    What a uninformed statement there are plenty of jobs in communication, sociology and I think there might be a few people interested in ethnic studies as we debate immigration reform. The problem is that you need at least a Masters and preferably a Doctorate degree to be employable in these fields and many students stop at the Bachelor level. This does not diminish the validity of these fields. I would wager that most people making statements like this have not attended college. A college graduate understands that they receive much more from their investment than just a degree. The skills learned in college last a lifetime problem solving, critical thinking, networking, are all skills learned in college. What a college degree shows most is that a person showed up they got up and got to class on time, turned papers, projects and presentation in on time, they delivered and that is what makes them sought after by employers.

     
  • John Kindseth posted at 5:17 pm on Mon, Apr 8, 2013.

    John Kindseth Posts: 245

    Joe, what are the percentages of students that graduate with worthless majors like:

    feminine studies, ethnic studies, music, communications, sociology and other feel-good courses?. Those with degrees in certain fields of engineering, physics, chemistry and international finance are snapped up on graduation.

     
  • Quan Pham posted at 4:01 pm on Sat, Apr 6, 2013.

    qpham63 Posts: 31

    Advance degrees in the hard sciences are always in demand. Google and the likes can't find enough so they are importing workers.

    It is important to be educated but you need to pick a field that has high demands for its graduates.

    To be in demand, the kids has to step up and take the path of the hard sciences.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 2:43 pm on Sat, Apr 6, 2013.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2363

    I believe it would depend upon the position in question that would cause any employer to choose a college graduate over one who holds no advanced degree. If the position is part-time but would still offer challenging work for someone highly educated, then sure, they might hire the grad. But to offer any highly qualified person a job that would either bore them or not offer them duties and pay commensurate with their educational status, unless there were no other lesser qualified people applying for the job (but still qualified), there's no way the grad would be hired.

    The concern would be that after going through the employment process and then training such a highly-educated individual for a job, once a better position could be found elsewhere (which it definitely would), they'd hightail it out of there without a second thought.

     
  • robert maurer posted at 11:53 am on Sat, Apr 6, 2013.

    mason day Posts: 448

    Eric; absolutely correct regarding employers hiring college grads over high school grads. I would too, after reading the LNS story about a new reading program the LUSD is employing. It really is a sad day when many 5th graders can barely read at all. Many trade schools have to teach remedial coursework as well as the specialized trade, and most require that various college coursework be completed with a good grade in order to be admitted to specialized training or trade courses. In general, a junior college course should be review of coursework completed from 7th grade through high school, according to some SJDC. instructors. A college educated person usually earns more in his or her lifetime, but only if that person uses their education and continues to grow it through a lifetime.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:43 am on Sat, Apr 6, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1565

    joe may be right about the underemployment level (grads working at jobs they are over educated for) but I also saw a survey that showed that the vast majority of jobs since the recession have gone to people holding college level degrees. If an employer has his choice of a college grad or a high school grad I think they will chose a college grad whether the position requires that degree or not. Think about that before you encourage your kid not to go to college. Also college is about increasing knowledge not employment training, the skills and lessons learned there last a lifetime and cannot be measured by simply looking at income levels.

     

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