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Joe Guzzardi Dianne Feinstein spreading lies about state’s labor problems

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46 comments:

  • jeff brandt posted at 9:07 am on Thu, Jun 9, 2011.

    jeff brandt Posts: 7

    The 13th Amendment to the Constitution (Yes, the U.S. Constitution) declares that "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
    If one were to look at our overflowing jails and prisons, one would see that we have an overabundance of FREE labor sitting in cells soaking up tax-payer money.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:29 pm on Tue, Jun 7, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ted stated...The discussion process is meant to broaden perspectives. Everyone shares from their own experiences and knowledge..

    I agree Ted... in addition, I personally was not offended. I was more confused as I know you want positive constructive dialogue and that you are motivated to broaden perspectives as you stated.
    I enjoyed reading your post and relate to what you said. Thanks!

     
  • Ted Lauchland posted at 2:03 pm on Tue, Jun 7, 2011.

    Ted Lauchland Posts: 254

    Darrell, I didn't mean to offend. " Shallow " was perhaps a poor choice of a word. The discussion process is meant to broaden perspectives. Everyone shares from their own experiences and knowledge.

     
  • Jay Samone posted at 7:38 am on Tue, Jun 7, 2011.

    Jay Samone Posts: 359

    Eric - just want to let you know that the plea bargain had nothing to with admitting guilt in the girl's death and plea bargains in general don't necessarily mean that the person is admitting to specific charges. In this particular case the supervisors plead guilty to not practicing safety processes that MAY or MAY NOT have contributed to this girl's death. I am not minimizing the loss, but pointing out that while this work is grueling, it is not the cause of death.

    Ted, thank you for pointing out the reality of the work and what it is like to be a employer.

     
  • Doug Chaney posted at 10:39 pm on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    Doug Chaney Posts: 1232

    Ryan Jameson, I'm in agreement with you on this issue. Why is our, or any city council or government entity so afraid to enact the e-verify program? If this legislation ever passes, it will ensure that only green card and documented workers are hired for any employment position, not just agriculture. This will force all who employ under the table or illegal immigrant employers to play by the same rules as everyone else, especially the many fly by night, as well as the so-called reputable, day contract labor companies, whose obligation should be to guarantee that every employee they send to any job has the proper documentation and SSN. There are several larger companies right here that would stand to lose a good number of employees if they were made to e-verify. Maybe you should ask some of these labor contractors how much of a chunk they take from these employees for "providing" them with work? Some will take as much as $4 an hour from their already paltry minimum wage, if they're lucky enough to even get minimum wage some talk says.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:54 pm on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ted...it seems like some points you agree with 100% and some points you add different aspects to the circumstance. You opened with "everyone is shallow" but you also agree with Eric... but Eric has said many things and it is not clear which points you agree with since you disagreed with some of his points.
    You provided great description of your experience but it is not clear which specific points you disagree with. If you were just trying to educate people of a more detailed reality of farming processes in this area, I do not understand why you started with your shallow comment.


     
  • Ted Lauchland posted at 6:45 pm on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    Ted Lauchland Posts: 254

    Everyone's viewpoint is rather shallow including Mr. Guzzardi's . I am an employer , vineyard owner and manager and I am very hands on with any work done in the fields. I do as much of the work myself as possible and hire the rest whether I hire the employees or a labor contractor does for me. I agree with Mr Barrow . It's hard work but until you look at the whole picture judgements come up short . I have tried hiring out of the E.D.D. before and swore I would never try that again. The people were not only not physically able but also not mentally able. I went through 80 workers when I only needed 20 for a couple of weeks. They would come and work a couple of hours and leave. It was a nightmare trying to harvest. Harvest time is a juggling act between mother nature, fruit maturity, winery facility timing, trucker coordination, tonnage per day minimums and labor relations. Harvest flows with the crops from south to north . If mother nature screws up and everything rippens at the same time then there is a shortage of labor to harvest the crop , shortage of facilities to facilitate the harvest and then the challenge begins. Years ago mexicans were not prevalent in the labor force. People from Oklahoma worked in the fields. They were mentally and physically used to that kind of work. Mexicans new to the states legal or not legal are of that sort. Mexicans that have been here awhile and or are citizens have a totally different mindset . Can't say that I can hire them simply because of the lack of drive to get the job done during a critical time (harvest) when time is not anything anyone has. If they don't come looking for the job on my doorstep then they do not want it . Bringing back the Bracero Program that would affectively tap the energy of those workers and insure the legallities using them when that source is needed I would vote for . I have hired teenagers during the summer months before. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. - Part of their maturity development. A three month summer out of school was originally set so the family could bring in the harvest. Not so anymore. When accidents happen in any industry it is usually a result of preconditions health wise or a failure of the company to enforce a safety program required of every business out there and ag is no exception. There are hazards in every occupation. Eventually sometimes luck is simply not on your side. If you have ever looked at a State Comp form they rate the risk factors of each kind of job and factor in your own risk history and charge a premium accordingly. Vineyards typically are a very low risk job . Temperatures above 95 degrees are to be avoided in California. Night time work is encouraged or early morning work until typically about 1 PM as coordinated with both labor requirements and the condition of the grapes for the winery to receive . A six to seven hour day is typical for a laborer to work because of both heat and the physical demands. Other times of the year 10 hour work days are permitted but that extra two hours per day was requested by the employee unions to maximize the work day for them. Salaried employees and business owners both might understand more that the value of a day doesn't always end at eight hours and employees did not want to share it with a second shift .For ag and certain jobs work is based more on daylight hours. Legal paperwork to hire an employee does not insure the employee is legal - It can't . Mechanization also doesn't work for all instances and is a tradeoff for quality many times anyway Working people does put food on individuals tables. The value of that work is always debatable. More experience is reflected in more wage. Inexperience is sometimes just not employable.(two left feet or mentally not able) Working conditions are no more harsh than you working in your garden. I advise wearing a hat. Piece work has to be backed by tracking hours worked. Minimum wage has to be guaranteed per hour. Failure to meet that standard on either the employer side or the employee side results in not being able to hire that person legally and or financially. Incentive to do better than minimum wage exists. Sometimes crews work as a group and will not be able to work with someone who cannot meet the standard. At this stage of my life I sure could'nt. Most piece work opportunities pay a wage ranging from 10 to 20 dollars per hour My position is to train and supervise and insure efficiency and safety . If I do not do this myself then I hire a supervisor that can . Personally about Guzzardi's article - I think his prejudices are showing again

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 4:40 pm on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1486

    It could of been the girls fault but it did go to court and it was plea bargained out which requires an admission of guilt by the labor contractors and you could brush aside the other deaths as underlying conditions I'm not sure where you get that information from but really all I was trying to say is that the work is very hard and it is very difficult to make a decent standard of living from it.
    I wonder how Joe's idea to employ the local school kids to supplement the workforce would go over if the parents knew that there 17 year olds might die on the job?

     
  • Jay Samone posted at 3:01 pm on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    Jay Samone Posts: 359

    You're very welcome Darrell.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:14 pm on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Eric... Im afraid I did not explain myself as well as I could have... if you look at Jay's post, it articulated what I was attempting to convey better than my post. Thanks Jay for painting an accurate picture .

     
  • Jay Samone posted at 1:34 pm on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    Jay Samone Posts: 359

    Eric, if I may jump in here - there seems to be alot of MSM influence on what actually goes on in the fields, yet none of them have ever done so - especially the politicians. After all, do you really think Feinstein would pick her own cherries? I have done so and yes it is back breaking work, however, I have to sort of take Darrell's side on this one about the Lodi case. This girl was 17 and she was 6 weeks pregnant. You tell me what 17 yr old takes care of themselves, much less one that probably didn't even know she was pregnant when she died. Pregnancy takes a toll on the body - especially in the very early stages and she shouldn't have been in the field to begin with. Her death had nothing to do with the work - it was HER CONDITION that caused her death. If you look back at other field worker deaths, many of them are not related to heat stroke either, but underlying physical conditions left unchecked and/or untreated by physicians. I personally would be more concerned with an unchecked problem, but that doesn't grab headlines now does it?

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:31 am on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1486

    Darrell you stated that it was absurd that agricultural work was so hard one could die from it my point is that those working conditions are so harsh that people have died from them.
    I agree with your statement that Mexican people are smart in controlling problems in the field, they have generations of experience in performing those task thats why farmers want to hire them and not inexperiecend labor.
    Also my original comments about Joe's editorial was in response to his claim that Feinstein had lied about the need for a guest working program and I wanted to show that the leaders in agriculture in California do not agree with him.
    My experience picking cherries and apricots in Utah showed me that I could work ten hours a day and, because of my lack of skill, I could bareley cover my food and gas if I hadn't been crashing at a friends house I would have never been able to pay rent or utilities. Don't get me wrong I wasn't destitute just found myself in Utah for a few months and decided to pick up some extra cash. Also on this point if farmers only had a field full of pickers with my level of experience the crop would have rotted before we got it in.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:44 am on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2823

    Well Eric,

    Drinking more liquids probably would have prevented these deaths. No, it's not the type of work, it's how well one comes prepared for the elements. Here in AZ, the majority of the landscape laborers are Hispanic. It gets up to 115 in the Summer.
    Rarely are there any deaths attributed to this type of work. And there are rarely any deaths attributed to the working on the hot roofs here in the summer.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:41 am on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Eric stated...I mean harvesting fruits and vegetables but I have and it's very hard labor we see a couple of deaths every year here in lodi.
    Then Eric quoted the LA times...about a heat stroke death...
    Eric, your first post states a couple of deaths every year here “in lodi”. You then give one example of heat stroke death to a pregnant teen who should not have been out there in the first place...where are the other deaths in Lodi area... can you provide that info.
    In addition, heat related deaths are not related to farm work... if so, construction workers, roofers, and many other occupations that work in the sun all summer would be a problem as well... her death was tragic, but it had nothing to do with conditions only experienced in farm work. In my experience working in the fields, Mexican people are very smart in controlling heat problems and handle it much better than I did. I learned to wear clothing that protected by skin and neck from the sun, and drank plenty of water on hand...
    Eric, I am curious/... you stated you had experience in farm work... can you tell me what that was and why you thought it was hard or dangerous?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:02 am on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2823

    Darrell,

    I hope Ms. Bobin re-thinks her position about how she interprets what people think about Mexicans.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:58 am on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1486

    Darrell stated, I never saw or heard of one death or anyone even develop a disability because of the labor. I hope you not suggesting that the work is so hard that it causes people to die... that is absurd.

    From the Los Angelas Times...
    Even though California passed a groundbreaking law in 2005 to protect farmworkers from heat illness and death, there have been as many as 10 heat-related fatalities in the years since. Among the victims in 2008 were a pregnant teenager who died when her body temperature climbed to 108 degrees after working in a Lodi vineyard and a 37-year-old man who suffered heat stroke after loading table grapes near Bakersfield. The state has confirmed heat as the cause of six of the deaths and said it may have been a factor in the other.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:43 am on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...."BY MYSELF...WITH MY MEXICAN FRIENDS?" Which was it? I think that you MAY have leased your grapes and observed "your Mexican friends," but I highly doubt you were out there with them!

    Ms Bobin...I know it is difficult for you to understand, but I will try...I had friends back then who were Mexican and worked in the fields when we were not in school. I wanted to be with my friends... who had no choice but to work in the fields... so I decided to earn extra money and at the same time got to be with my friends.... In addition, because I Knew all the farmers in my living area, was able to work there as well.... Some people actually have 2 jobs Ms Bobin... and my Mexican friends were wonderful people... I think you are childish in attacking my relationship with them.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:21 pm on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2823

    Joanne wrote:

    "BY MYSELF...WITH MY MEXICAN FRIENDS?" Which was it? I think that you MAY have leased your grapes and observed "your Mexican friends," but I highly doubt you were out there with them!

    -Chuckle,

    And Joanne can also speak for all the farmers(who hire Mexicans to work their land) they would never set foot in those fields with all them. Seems a tad bigotted and ignorant for Joanne to conclude Darrell is just another example of the opinions farmers have of Mexicans, Illegal and legal

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:11 pm on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2823

    Copying what Joe wrote in his column on my last post it seems quite obvious
    Feinstein does support Illegal immigration. Evidently it is Joanne who has reading comprehension problems.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:08 pm on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2823


    In addition to continuously re-introducing an AgJOBS bill that would serve as an
    illegal alien magnet, Feinstein opposes E-Verify, the federal program that would confirm that new employees are legally authorized to work in the United States. Feinstein has voted for every proposed increase in non-immigrant worker visas and each Senate amnesty put before her. At the same time, Feinstein has not initiated any action to reduce rewards to illegal immigrants or to end chain migration, a policy that has directly contributed to California's overpopulation.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:07 pm on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2823

    I truly hope Joanne and people like her will eventually come to their senses
    how counter-productive it is to tell anyone here it is not necessary that English be their primary language here in America.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:59 pm on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2823

    Joanne,

    Don't you find it a little odd there are people who speak English better who live in other countries than Hispanics who were born and have lived here all their lives?
    And isn't it you that is ignorant and bigotted of Illegal Mexicans? It should seem clear to you since you are the one telling them their primary language should not be English. Put simply, you are sending them a message they don't have to be Americans first to succeed here. Now, I find that quite ignorant and bigotted for you to conclude it isn't in their best interest to be Americans first in order for them to succeed now that they are in America.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:42 pm on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2823


    Joanne wrote:

    Most Mexicans are Roman Catholics or Evangelical Protestants. What makes you think they would come to the aid of the "Homosexual and Abortion lobby?" OH, that's right! Your ignorant and bigoted opinion of "illegal Mexicans!"

    -Joanne, Joanne, Joanne,

    You walked right into my trap. Yes they don't come to the aid of the Homosexual and Abortion Lobby. That's the whole point I was trying to make. You liberals pander to the very people who don't support much of your agenda. Oh, you make fools out of them with your deceptions to make them vote for liberals. It's really no accident you do this. Conservatives aren't telling Illegal Mexicans it's ok for them to be here. Quite the contrary, like the rest of the immigrants who come here from all over the world, they know they are much better off and likely to succeed here if they wait in line to come here legally. Mexico is the only country where they do not require theire citizens to take basic English before they immigrate here. Even in very poor third world countires the government reqires their citizens to take basic English before they immigrate here. Mexico is not poor, even though there is poverty there.

     
  • Ryan Jameson posted at 4:36 pm on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

    Ryan Jameson Posts: 195

    Joann: I am not friends with losers but I do "know" people who are on unemployment and they all know exactly what I think of them. Problem is, why should they go get a job when they can literally sit around collecting money for doing nothing? Of course you won't actually answer my question, will you Joann? I will make a bold prediction and say that you will instead scour this thread looking for a certain phrase or word that you can use to attempt to character assassinate one of us you don't agree with. I am assuming of course that you will not choose to ignore this particular thread again since I just called you out.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:59 am on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Really, Mr. Baumbach? Re-read this and see where your error is.

    "but I personally by myself spent 5 years on 40 acres. Pounded grape stakes by hand, chopped weeds by hand, pruned in the cold winter, thinned grape leaves, sulfured, applied chemicals, picked grapes by the bucket filling gondola's and a host of other hard work... I worked in the fields with my Mexican friends for years..."

    "BY MYSELF...WITH MY MEXICAN FRIENDS?" Which was it? I think that you MAY have leased your grapes and observed "your Mexican friends," but I highly doubt you were out there with them!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:56 am on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Docktor wrote: "Frankly I wish Joanne and her ilk would stop lying to themselves that pandering to Illegal Mexicans..."

    Mr. Docktor - you apparently need a lesson in reading comprehension - what Joe Guzzardi is writing about is Sen. Feinstein's support for a LEGAL guest worker program. Since you think she is an idiot, I suppose you thought she would be supporting ILLEGAL immigration. Who is the idiot here?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:52 am on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Docktor wrote (completely out of context): "Frankly I wish Joanne and her ilk would stop lying to themselves that pandering to Illegal Mexicans is good for the Homosexual and Abortion lobby."

    Most Mexicans are Roman Catholics or Evangelical Protestants. What makes you think they would come to the aid of the "Homosexual and Abortion lobby?" OH, that's right! Your ignorant and bigoted opinion of "illegal Mexicans!"

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:46 am on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Interesting that Mr. Jameson and Mr. Baumbach "know" so well that people collecting unemployment are "couch potatoes." If you know all of these people so well, why are you both not encouraging them to get jobs in the fields?

    Mr. Baumbach stated: "I worked in the fields with my Mexican friends for years... "

    The same Mexican friends that you denigrate in this forum?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:13 am on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Eric Barrow posted at 5:09 pm...I mean harvesting fruits and vegetables but I have and it's very hard labor we see a couple of deaths every year here in lodi

    Eric... I'm not sure what work you are talking about, but I personally by myself spent 5 years on 40 acres. Pounded grape stakes by hand, chopped weeds by hand, pruned in the cold winter, thinned grape leaves, sulfured, applied chemicals, picked grapes by the bucket filling gondola's and a host of other hard work... I worked in the fields with my Mexican friends for years... I never saw or heard of one death or anyone even develop a disability because of the labor. I hope you not suggesting that the work is so hard that it causes people to die... that is absurd. If some people have died in recent times, its not because of the work... it is much easier and safer now then when I did it in the 1960's... Back then, we did not have toilets, shade requirements, and safety regulations in place like today... Can you please articulate exactly what work activities you are talking about that is causing people to die(every year)... I think you are mistaken as the work is not that hard as you suggest.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:44 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Joanne Bobin posted at 3:29 pm...What makes you think that those who collect unemployment are "couch potato(s) who refuse to get or even look for a job"

    Ryan... Since ms Bobin appears to be the authority on human behavior and knows for a fact that your contention is wrong... maybe you should ask Ms Bobin to document evidence that people do not collect based on your contention... She seems to think she knows for certain... its been my experience that there are many people who will accept something for nothing... and some people who will not...

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:56 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2823

    Frankly I wish Joanne and her ilk would stop lying to themselves that pandering to Illegal Mexicans is good for the Homosexual and Abortion lobby.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:25 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2823

    Ryan wrote:

    Eric: Why do you think it is that many Americans can't perform these jobs? Are we less intelligent than the migrant work force? Are we mentally incapable? Physically incapable? What is it?

    -Actually Ryan, as long as the public schools teach English as a second language Mexicans
    don't think they have to take it as a primatry language. Other ethnicities are smart enough in their countries to learn basic English before they immigrated here. Contrary to what Mexicans
    think they know the only way to become successful here is that English be their primary language.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:47 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2823

    I wonder if Joanne is aware that immigrants from countries other than Mexico are required to know basic English before they can immigrate here.? And since they are coming to a country where the primary language is English why should they learn Spanish? Now, one could speculate from a Bobin POV they just don't want to work in the fields where the primary language is Spanish. And we could specualte Joanne is right because they came here to work jobs with primarily other English speaking people. And so this begs the question for Joanne: Why not Mexico require their citizens wishing to immigrate here to learn basic English? This is rhetorical question for Conservatives because they know and acknowledge
    there are some Conservatives but primarily Liberals who don't want Mexicans to learn English as their first language here because Mexicans may take jobs they don't want them to take.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:12 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2823

    Joanne wrote:

    Interesting that Joe Guzzardi no longer claims an affiliation as a senior writer with CAPS. Looking at their website, he has not published an article since April. I wonder if even CAPS got sick of Joe's racist rantings.

    -Chuckle

    What part of "illegal immigration IS ILLEGAL REGARDLESS OF THE ETHNICITY"
    doesn't Joanne understand? And how is it racist to point out a policy by Feinstein that has directly contributed to California's overpopulation?

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 5:09 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1486

    Ryan I don't know if you have ever done agricultural work and I don't mean working on the farm I mean harvesting fruits and vegetables but I have and it's very hard labor we see a couple of deaths every year here in lodi. I doubt many people who lost there job and are over forty could make a living the farmers pay piece work and it's hard to make enough to pay for food and fuel unless you are good at it. Also what would those people do during the off season. Many other kinds of farm work vineyards and cattle are skilled jobs. If I had all my money invested in a crop I would want to hire people who are trained to do the job not those losers who discuss you so much. Ask a farmer who they would hire.

     
  • Ryan Jameson posted at 4:19 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Ryan Jameson Posts: 195

    On a side note, with unemployment in this country hovering around 9%, seems like we have a large workforce that could do seasonal farm jobs.

     
  • Ryan Jameson posted at 4:16 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Ryan Jameson Posts: 195

    Joann Bobin: My disdain is for lazy people who take money that they haven't earned. The only perch I look down from is the job I go to every week. These people who sit for months on unemployment and never look for work disgust me. They are losers, plain and simple. Sure there are legitimate cases for unemployment, but I believe that benefits should expire after 3 months, period. And last time I checked, business owners are tax payers!

    Eric: Why do you think it is that many Americans can't perform these jobs? Are we less intelligent than the migrant work force? Are we mentally incapable? Physically incapable? What is it?

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:51 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1486

    Joe completely ignores what leaders in California agriculture say about the need for a guest worker program. California Farm Bureau Federation, California Department of Food and Agriculture, County Farm Bureaus and other groups representing the state's family farmers and ranchers have all called for a guest worker program and say domestic workers are either unwilling or unable to perform the available farm work. California Farm Bureau Federation states that programs to match domestic workers with available agricultural jobs have been largely unsuccessful. These California agricultural leaders are who Feinstein is discussing policy with while Joe whittles away in Pittsburgh.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:50 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1486

    I'm not sure what ending unemployment and medicare have to do with forcing farmers to hire people so i am surprised by that answer. Are you agreeing that forcing farmers to hire people want work so your idea now is to end unemployment and welfare to get people to work on farms. I'm not surprised to hear that from you. Californians farm 25 million acres worth 33 billion dollars. Today 75% of California's farm workers are illegal do you think there are enough healthy people on welfare to harvest all those crops. Still sounds like a nightmare for the farmers.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:31 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Interesting that Joe Guzzardi no longer claims an affiliation as a senior writer with CAPS. Looking at their website, he has not published an article since April. I wonder if even CAPS got sick of Joe's racist rantings.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:29 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Jameson: Which taxpayers, besides employers, are funding unemployment? Are you confusing welfare with unemployment insurance?

    What makes you think that those who collect unemployment are "couch potato(s) who refuse to get or even look for a job"? You are certainly making a lot of assumptions here in order to display your obvious disdain for farmworkers and legitimately unemployed Americans. Must be nice to be looking down from your Utopian catbird seat upon all of the unfortunate people in this country.

     
  • Ryan Jameson posted at 3:12 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Ryan Jameson Posts: 195

    You might be surprised at the answer to that question Eric. The objective here is to end unemployment benefits. The response I often hear regarding the immigrant work force is this; "Americans won't do those jobs." That is to suggest that normal Americans will not do the jobs that immigrant workers will do. That is probably the prevailing attitude among most Americans. Here is the thing though, end unemployment and welfare and see how quickly Americans will do any job they can get their hands on. Coddling [sic] people will not help them and will not help this country in the long run.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 2:12 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1486

    No I'm not satisfied with helping those who refuse to help themselves but state government forcing private employers to hire those lazy people doesn't seem like a good idea either. How many wine growers do you think want "couch potatoes" to trim the vines on there million dollar crops.

     
  • Ryan Jameson posted at 1:26 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Ryan Jameson Posts: 195

    Eric, it's called job training and it can be completed by legal migrant workers who have been doing it for years. Farmers can also train new employees on how to do the job. Or are you more satisfied with paying the salary of a couch potato who refuses to get or even look for a job?

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 12:46 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1486

    Ryan are you suggesting we force California's farmers to hire "leeches" to do a job they have no idea how to do. First couple of seasons would probably ruin many of the farmers in California

     
  • Ryan Jameson posted at 6:43 am on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

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    The solution seems pretty simple to me. Deport illegal immigrants and hire Americans who are currently collecting unemployment and/or welfare benefits and put them in the agricultural fields. If the leeches insist on sitting at home collecting free money from hard working taxpayers I say they can put in a little manual labor and pick fruit. Two birds; one stone.

     

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