Lodinews.com

default avatar
Welcome to the site! Login or Signup below.
|
||
Logout|My Dashboard

Why Joltin’ Joe’s postage stamp drew controversy

Rules of Conduct

  • 1 Use your real name. You must register with your full first and last name before you can comment. (And don’t pretend you’re someone else.)
  • 2 Keep it clean. Please avoid obscene, vulgar, lewd, racist or sexually oriented language.
  • 3 Don’t threaten. Threats of harming another person will not be tolerated.
  • 4 Be truthful. Don't lie about anyone or anything. Don't post unsubstantiated allegations, rumors or gossip that could harm the reputation of a person, company or organization.
  • 5 Be nice. No racism, sexism or any sort of -ism that is degrading to another person.
  • 6 Stay on topic. Make sure your comments are about the story. Don’t insult each other.
  • 7 Tell us if the discussion is getting out of hand. Use the ‘Report’ link on each comment to let us know of abusive posts.
  • 8 Share what you know, and ask about what you don't.
  • 9 Don’t be a troll.
  • 10 Don’t reveal personal information about other commenters. You may reveal your own personal information, but we advise you not to do so.
  • 11 We reserve the right, at our discretion, to monitor, delete or choose not to post any comment. This may include removing or monitoring posts that we believe violate the spirit or letter of these rules, or that we otherwise determine at our discretion needs to be monitored, not posted, or deleted.

Welcome to the discussion.

38 comments:

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:05 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I'm surprised she hasn't called Section 1325 in Title 8 of the United States Code "conspiracy theory"...
    [beam]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:21 am on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated..."Actually, Mr. Liebich, entering the US illegally is not considered a crime." "Look it up

    For me, the sad part is that people who think like Ms Bobin sincerely think it would be a good thing if doing something that breaks the law is not a crime... hence, people like her will support Obama even if he directs the justice department to "not" enforce the immigration laws on the books. In her mind, ignoring the law and refusing to enforce it means no crime was committed...

    That's liberal think in motion.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:00 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1903

    Bobbin wrote, "But I know for certain, from others' experiences of which I am aware, it is as I stated. Bought and sold. And the corruption is not only in the home country, but in the US also. Anyone would be naive to think otherwise."
    There ya have it folks ! Solid, irrefutable knowledge that she is "aware of". Typical liberal garbage, throw out baseless unprovable accusations to prove their point. Serve up some actual proveable FACTS. Until then, your credibility sucks.[thumbdown]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:22 am on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Andrew,

    The ban icon was moreless tongue-in-cheek.[beam]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:33 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    [ban]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:32 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Andrew,

    I'm anxious to see how she slithers her way out of this one.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:31 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Exactly, Andrew.[beam][beam]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:51 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    your own facts

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:50 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Ms. Bobin,

    Although you are entitled to your own opinion you are not entitled to her own facts...
    [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:46 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Evidently? [lol]

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:40 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Evidently Ms. Bobin has the Leftist version of Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:38 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

    Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or

    Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or

    Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
    has committed a federal crime.

    Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:26 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    It's quite clear Ms. Bobin has not read anything on the CAPS site that provides solutions to illegal immigration. Nor will she do any research on how much Joe Guzzardi contributs to their cause.
    She has her usual MO of identifying, exposing, and demonizing ANYONE she disagrees with.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:14 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Earth to Ms. Bobin,

    Secretary Napolitano’s job is to follow and enforce the law—not to use her authority to undermine

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:11 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Chuckle,

    I think the statement Ms. Bobin made below from one of her posts confirms she will regurgitate anything the left says if it sounds good.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:08 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    "Actually, Mr. Liebich, entering the US illegally is not considered a crime." "Look it up."


    Napolitano: Illegal Immigration NOT a Crime?


    Jena McNeill

    April 20, 2009 at 11:22 am

    (96)


    On Sunday, April 19, 2009, Secretary Napolitano went on CNN’s “State of the Union” and proclaimed that crossing the border illegally is not a crime. This statement left a lot of folks scratching their heads given that U.S. law—the law Napolitano is sworn to uphold—says quite the opposite. Section 8, Title 1325 of the U.S. code clearly states that those who enter the U.S. illegally are committing a crime.

    This ‘interpretation’ of the law by Secretary Napolitano seems to be the latest in an effort by the Obama Administration to scale back interior immigration enforcement efforts in the United States. As recently as March 28th, Napolitano made the decision to delay a series of immigration raids and other workplace actions aimed at finding illegal workers. At the same time, both President Obama and Secretary Napolitano have announced new initiatives intending to send the message that they take the issues at the southern border seriously. But the Administration cannot fight cartels while ignoring illegal immigration—people smuggling is part of the problem, not a separate issue. Legalization will only make matters worse. Granting the people here illegally asylum will only encourage more illegal border crossing. Likewise, failing to enforce workplace and immigration laws will only encourage more to ignore the law.

    The fight has to go beyond the border. Just adding inspections on people heading south is not going to work. Homeland Security will inconvenience everyone but the smugglers who don’t care if some of their loads get caught and will seek alternative routes. On the U.S. side, there has to be a robust integrated response of federal, state, and local law enforcement at the regional level (meshing with is going on in California, Arizona, Texas, and New Mexico) that targets the cartel and transnational gang networks. At the local level, the U.S. needs more community policing that targets criminal elements in the border community. That means more support and assistance for border county sheriff departments.

    Secretary Napolitano’s job is to follow and enforce the law—not to use her authority to undermine

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:03 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ms. Bobin:

    http://www.nj.com/hudson/voices/index.ssf/2012/05/american_worker_displacement_g.html

    This is just one of many columns by Joe where he has solutions to illegal immigration. This is from a New Jersey site.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 6:48 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Oh yeah, Joanne, please remind me of any post I ever made saying anything negative about any ethnicity that I also didn't include the condition of them being ILLEGAL aliens. Come on, you called me a bigot, so prove it. I won't hold my breath.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 6:46 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    So, you care more what Mitt Romney legally does with HIS money than what Obama does with YOUR money? If Romney broke the law, the IRS and Obama would have skewered him. Romney, as do lots of people in his income bracket, protect their money any legal way they can. I have offshore accounts myself, it is called protecting your assets. I have probably paid in more Federal Income Tax than you have earned in your lifetime. Telll me, do you take all of the tax breaks you are legally entitled to come tax day? Or perhaps, being the good little liberal you are, you not only pay your taxes but also send them extra money. Did you send Obama money instead of buying your family birthday gifts this year like Obama asked? I am sure you did. Yeah, worry about Romney's offshore accounts and turn your head when Obama runs America in the proverbial DITCH.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:45 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    sounds like a corruption conspiracy... [lol]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 5:43 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    [lol]... Section 1325 in Title 8 of the United States Code provides for a fine, imprisonment, or both for any immigrant who:

    "1.enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration agents, or"

    "2.eludes examination or inspection by immigration agents, or"

    "3.attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact."

    "The maximum prison term is 6 months for the first offense and 2 years for any subsequent offense. In addition to the above criminal fines and penalties, civil fines may also be imposed."

    [sleeping][sleeping][sleeping][sleeping][sleeping][sleeping][sleeping][sleeping][sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:25 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Baxxxter wrote: "Amazing Bobbin, in one sentence, says she knows nothing about legal immigration process and in another she claims to know that it is corrupt and designed to keep immigrants out."

    Obviously you also have a reading comprehension issue. I stated I did not know the process that my husband went through (Actually, I do, but it is none of anyone in this forum's business) since I was only 6 years old when he emmigrated to the US.

    But I know for certain, from others' experiences of which I am aware, it is as I stated. Bought and sold. And the corruption is not only in the home country, but in the US also. Anyone would be naive to think otherwise.

    As far as legals or illegals sending money home, you should be more concerned with the MILLIONS that Mitt Romney and other million/billionaires send to their offshore accounts in order to avoid taxes.

    Illegal workers spend a lot of money here. They pay (if they have honest people doing the payroll) payroll taxes that they will never see again - no SS or MC. They spend on a cash basis for food, rent (thus, property taxes), and taxable goods like clothing, etc.

    Your priorities are a joke - or are million/billionaires allowed a pass by you?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:12 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Liebich wrote: "The following statement clearly demonstrates a "complete ignorance of immigration"..."

    "Actually, Mr. Liebich, entering the US illegally is not considered a crime." "Look it up."

    I'm so glad that I have given you so many opportunities to repeat my comment - and I have already stated that illegals are NOT prosecuted in criminal court - that was the original intent.

    You are starting to sound like Mr. Baumbach with his repeated comments about "Tina Fey and Stewart" that have nothing to do with anything.

    Repeat away, Mr. Liebich. Every time I see a comment from you I'm going to comment about all of your conspiracy theories.

    BTW, do you think that Neil Armstrong is really dead, or is it a government conspiracy theory to shut him up so he doesn't reveal the faked Moon landing?

    I suspect it is the latter. You are a joke.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:35 am on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1903

    Amazing Bobbin, in one sentence, says she knows nothing about legal immigration process and in another she claims to know that it is corrupt and designed to keep immigrants out. She makes a habit of contradicting herself quite frequently. It all boils down to choices. Illegal immigrants sent over $21 BILLION back to Mexico in 2010, mostly money earned without being reported for taxes and deductions. Mexico wants them to continue to sneak in and send money back. It is good for the Mexican economy. Get legal or get OUT.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:02 am on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    The following statement clearly demonstrates a "complete ignorance of immigration"...

    "Actually, Mr. Liebich, entering the US illegally is not considered a crime." "Look it up."

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:15 am on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I find it very amusing that Mr. Chapman has attempted to label me as a bigot. In fact, his comments make no sense and define his complete ignorance of immigration.

    Mr. Chapman wrote: "I have absolutely no problem with legal immigrants who enter America as and follow the immigration laws. Did your husband enter America legally? Is he a U.S. Citizen? If so, you should know all about the LEGAL process for immigrants."

    Since my husband arrived in the country when I was 6 years old I had nothing to do with the process he went through to get here. He learned English on his own and became a citizen while in serving in Vietnam. All long before I met him.

    Like anything else in this world, you should know that the "LEGAL" process more often involves: Connections, Money and Influence, with emphasis on MONEY. The fictional "line" that everyone thinks "people should get in" does not exist. Legal residencies are bought and sold these days by corrupt officials. To think otherwise is naive.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:07 am on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Since you have trouble with critical thinking, Mr. Docktor, I can understand why you think my comments contradict. Let me explain in simple terms that you will be able to understand.

    Joe Guzzardi does not want any immigrants coming to the US that will take American jobs - EXAMPLE: highly skilled immigrants (who would qualify for your definition of "successful) who come to the US and get jobs in Silicon Valley. That is why he has written so many columns railing against the many types of work related visas.

    As for illegals, he has NO SOLUTIONS for the average border crosser who will be working in the fields, in restaurants, hotels, etc. He doesn't even mention EMPLOYERS who hire these people as being a great part of the problem. His biggest complaint is government.

    Why do you think he works for an organization called "Californians for Population Stabilization?" In terms you will understand, that means NO NEW CALIFORNIANS!!!!

    Apparently, baseball is just fine since he is a baseball fan and the pool of Americans with baseball skills is limited.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:52 am on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ms. Bobin,

    I always thought a real American is someone who believes in this country and is here legally. You seem to think anyone who steps foot in this country is a real American, legal or illegal.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:45 am on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2857

    Ms. Bobin,

    I thought I'd bring to your attention the contradictions in your post below. You say Joe dislikes all immigration. But then you go on to say, in so many words, Joe like immigrants who are successful. Then you go on to say "he HATES the people who want to solve some of the issues by incorporating these people into society and giving them a chance to live a properous life at the cost of REAL Americans" even though you said, in so many words, Joe likes immigrants who are successful. Now, it seems to me you have issues with ANYONE who lioke immigrants who come to America to be successful. I find that rather odd sinnce a good majority of immigrants who come here want a better life. And with their success comes a better life.

    Your logic escapes me. You seem to have lost sight of the reason why Joe and many others are fed up with ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:40 pm on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "Entering the United States illegally is not a crime. Look it up."-Joanne Bobin
    [sleeping]

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 7:48 pm on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    There IS a way for immigrants to come to America and have a chance at a good life. As millions have done before them, they need to go through the legal channels of immigration. I have absolutely no problem with legal immigrants who enter America as and follow the immigration laws. Did your husband enter America legally? Is he a U.S. Citizen? If so, you should know all about the LEGAL process for immigrants. Welcome to America. Support yourself and your family and don't leech off of the programs hard working Americans fund. Lord know we have enough American deadbeats doing that already. Is it mere coincidence that Bobin and Bigot both begin with a B and contain the same number of letters? I think not.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:21 pm on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Chapman wrote: "Like myself, Joe Guzzardi has railed agaiinst ILLEGAL aliens. That strokes Joanne's fur backwards. Nothing racists about speaking out against lawbreaking ILLEGAL border crossers."

    YOU are quite MISTAKEN, Mr. Chapman. Joe Guzzardi dislikes all immigration. Go back and read his many columns in which he complains about all of the different visas being given to foreign workers and how they are taking American jobs. Obviously, Fernando Valenzuela and Joe DiMaggio were OK American job takers. The logic Guzzardi uses escapes me.

    You cannot tell me he ONLY complains about illegals.

    Also, you have it all wrong. Joe Guzzardi does not dislike "lawbreaking ILLEGAL border crossers," he HATES the people who want to solve some of the issues by incorporating these people into society and giving them a chance to live a properous life at the cost of REAL Americans.

    You are a fool if you think Joe Guzzardi has the same mindset as yourself - which I find it hard to believe that you are anything but a bigot based on your comments in this forum.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 11:08 am on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Like myself, Joe Guzzardi has railed agaiinst ILLEGAL aliens. That strokes Joanne's fur backwards. Nothing racists about speaking out against lawbreaking ILLEGAL border crossers. I love it when Mr. Guzzardi gets Joanne's blood pressure up. Brings a smile to my face. I am thinking Joanne is just jealous because Mr. Guzzardi has his opinions published and poor Joanne has to depend on her venomous posts to dispense her racists, bigoted and mean spirited opinions, for FREE. She whines so well......

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:59 am on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I think Ms. Bobin has been licking too many stamps... [beam]

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 9:38 am on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Leave it to Joanne Bobin and her "me too" pal in all things liberal, to turn an inocuous column by Joe Guzzardi into something bigoted and racist. Good going Joanne.

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 8:47 am on Sat, Aug 25, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    I had the exact same thought, Joanne. What a HYPOCRITE, in all caps. The Mexican immigrants who harvest his food, cook much of his restaurant fare, and clean the motel rooms he stays in are parasites "stealing American jobs", but Fernando Valenzuela is a hero. And here's the rub: the low effort thinkers who cheer Guzzardi along won't even pick up on the contradiction.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:12 am on Sat, Aug 25, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    And Joe DiMaggio...his poor Italian immigrant parents would have had to see him play baseball in Italy if Joe Guzzardi had his way.

    Would have had to settle for the "LOVE" stamp instead of a Joe DiMaggio.

    And come to think of it, happily, Joe Guzzardi would also be non-existent if Joe Guzzardi had been around when his ancestors paddled their way across the ocean to take American jobs away from Americans!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:02 am on Sat, Aug 25, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    What? No new immigration bashing opportunities this week?

    Maybe you could do a column on Mitt Romney ginning up the birther craze so he can get all the loonies to vote for him who otherwise may not have.

    And Fernando Valenzuela? Seriously - if the US had all of the draconian policies that you promote and none that you rail against, poor ol' Fernando wouldn't have even made it to the US to play baseball.

    You can't have it both ways, Guzzardi. Valenzuela took a valuable MLB job away from an American who could have made lots of money.

    Hypocrite.

     

Recent Comments

Posted 23 hours ago by Ed Walters.

article: Letter: Michael Brown started events th…

Barrow, no need to retract the truth, and I can pretend all I like. I spoke of useless lives of which Charlie leads the mob, followed by …

More...

Posted Yesterday by robert maurer.

article: Letter: Michael Brown started events th…

Shhh, Ed; my post using the word thug will probably be removed now ... On another note: Jien; I was not referring to M.Brown in my post at …

More...

Posted Yesterday by Ed Walters.

article: Lodi Electric Utility announces 2015 So…

Navarro: a three legged horse at the Kentucky Derby has a better chance to win than you do, best of luck anyway. [wink]

More...

Posted Yesterday by Eric Barrow.

article: Letter: U.S. suffers from total lack of…

This is a recurring theme among conservatives that by helping those in need liberals are somehow hurting those same people. I suppose it he…

More...

Posted Yesterday by Mike Adams.

article: Letter: U.S. suffers from total lack of…

Robert: A strange car on a dark lonely road while may be suspicious is not probable cause to be pulled over. Anytime we drive outside of o…

More...

Video

Popular Stories

Poll

Loading…

Your News

News for the community, by the community.

Mailing List

Subscribe to a mailing list to have daily news sent directly to your inbox.

  • Breaking News

    Would you like to receive breaking news alerts? Sign up now!

  • News Updates

    Would you like to receive our daily news headlines? Sign up now!

  • Sports Updates

    Would you like to receive our daily sports headlines? Sign up now!

Manage Your Lists