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Joe Guzzardi DREAM Act a burden for California’s taxpayers

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25 comments:

  • Robert Chapman posted at 2:51 pm on Mon, Aug 8, 2011.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Brian Dockter posted, "I would like the audience here not as aquainted with Joanne be informed it would take an act of God for her to admit Obama is a hipocrite".

    Brian, with all due respect, I suspect that wouldn't even do it for Joanne. Tough to determine which one she believes most.
    .

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:58 pm on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2826

    Darrell,

    I suspect La Raza benefits from this program.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:55 pm on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2826

    Now Joanne,

    What BS were you talking about?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:49 pm on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2826

    http://www.cis.org/LegalServicesCorporation-FederalFundingImmigrantActivists

    Legal Services Corporation Programs Aid Illegal Immigrants

    By Ken Boehm
    July 1997
    Backgrounders and Reports


    Bookmark/Search this post with:
    pp. 15 in Immigration Review no. 29, Summer 1997


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Imagine a national network of experienced lawyers available to illegal aliens, free of charge, to sue government at the local, state, and national levels to obtain housing, education, welfare, and other governmental benefits. Imagine further that this national network of lawyers was also available to lobby, participate in referenda campaigns, and provide public relations services on behalf of their illegal alien clientele, again free of charge because the network was largely subsidized with federal funds. For good measure, imagine that this network of activist lawyers was also available to fight deportation of illegal aliens, even those with serious criminal records.

    There is nothing imaginary about the network of attorneys and the activities described above. The Legal Services Corporation (LSC), which has received over $5 billion in federal funds since its founding in 1974, supports just such a network of activist lawyers working in approximately 300 local programs across the country. An outgrowth of Lyndon Johnson's War on Poverty, the federally-funded legal services program began with the best of intentions. Its proponents praised it as a noble effort to expand the type of legal aid which volunteer lawyers had traditionally offered the poor.

    Almost from the start, however, lawyers in the legal services programs funded by LSC adopted a far more politicized agenda than private legal aid lawyers. The traditional approach of helping individual, deserving poor people with their legal problems was supplanted by an emphasis on large class-action lawsuits expanding entitlements and challenging legislative attempts to curb welfare reforms. In the name of serving the poor, legal services lawyers challenged tax cut referenda in court and even litigated Congressional redistricting cases.

    Promotion of "welfare rights" for illegal aliens has long been a priority of legal services lawyers. To understand why these lawyers have put such a sustained effort into obtaining governmental benefits for individuals who are violating federal law by their very presence in the United States. one must understand the core social and political beliefs shared by most legal services lawyers. Along with a strong bias for the expansion of the welfare state, legal services lawyers are strong advocates of expanded group rights, believing that governmental benefits are inherent rights belonging to the poor as a class.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:44 pm on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2826


    Joanne wrote:

    Explain EXACTLY how illegals are coming here to "help in his re-election." If you don't know that this is total BS, then I really suspect that you have a problem understanding the system.

    -Chuckle,

    I hope you don't think it is the Republican Party demanding Illegals not be required to show their ID at voting booths.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:12 pm on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2826

    Joanne,

    Still waiting for you to admit Obama is a hipocrite.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:10 pm on Fri, Aug 5, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2826

    Ms. Bobin,

    All I can say is you're ignorance sticks out like a sore thumb. The fact that you don't think amnesty Obama wants to give all the Illegals doesn't benefit his re-election is rather troubling. And you know darn well many entitlement programs are sucked up by the illegals. For the record, I never said they are especially for them. The Democratic
    party counts on the uniformed and mis-informed. I suspect this is why you are a Democrat. Wake up. Bobin. LBJ started the entitlements in Detroit in the 50's and 60's. It was called the Great Society. It was meant for the the lower echelon of society. Yes, you are right, it wasn't especially meant for Illegals. But, as a result,
    Illegals benefit alot from these programs. I suggest you do some research unless you enjoy making a fool out of yourself.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:50 pm on Thu, Aug 4, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin... please help me... can you please review La Raza... please see posts below

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:47 pm on Wed, Aug 3, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Docktor can never counter comments with facts, only his usual BS.

    Just for you own edification, Mr. Docktor, please list all of the "entitlements" that Democrats have created ESPECIALLY for illegals, because they must be so SECRET that the illegals have to sneak over the border in the middle of the night to get them and so we citizens won't be the wiser.

    Mr. Docktor wrote: "Mostly because Obama has truned a blind eye so much to the Illegals he can no longer ignore the increase in the rate of Illegals entering this country under his watch. He had hoped he could BS them enough into thinking the economy was not in a downturn so they would come here and they would help in his re-election."

    Explain EXACTLY how illegals are coming here to "help in his re-election." If you don't know that this is total BS, then I really suspect that you have a problem understanding the system.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:54 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2826

    I would like the audience here not as aquainted with Joanne be informed it would take an act of God for her to admit Obama is a hipocrite.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:52 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2826

    Joanne wrote:

    You act as if US employers have a gun to their heads and are forced to hire illegals.

    Stop the reason for coming here and you can stop the illegal immigration.

    -Another Chuckle,

    You mean all the entitlements the Democrats have made sure they get when they arrive here? Joanne, are you admitting it is the Mexican government's fault too?
    And have you asked around how much of a monopoly Illegal Mexicans have on certain jobs? It's rather hard to work in an atmospere where even the foreman is Mexican whether you're an immigrant from somewhere else or an American who doesn't speak Spanish. Not to mention the average American who shouldn't have to take Spanish as a second language to get a job. But I know you just think I'm looking for an excuse not to take Spanish as a second language in a country where the PRIMARY language is English.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:28 pm on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2826

    Joanne wrote:

    The Obama Administration holds a record for the highest number of employers who have been, or are in the process of, being prosecuted for knowingly hiring illegals.

    -Chuckle,

    Mostly because Obama has truned a blind eye so much to the Illegals he can no longer ignore the increase in the rate of Illegals entering this country under his watch. He had hoped he could BS them enough into thinking the economy was not in a downturn so they would come here and they would help in his re-election.
    That calls for a double chuckle. And Joanne, Sheriff Arpaio here in AZ had a lot to do with other areas in the country following suit by enforcing the Federal law. And of course Obama wants to take the credit even though he wanted to throw Arpaio under the bus for 1070 here in AZ.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:24 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...What, did you look that up on your constant companion, Wikipedia?

    No need to insult the Mexican side to my family. I have worked and lived with Mexican people all my life. Since my wife is Mexican and since I really love the Mexican culture, I took it upon myself to become familiar with the political organization " La Raza"... I need not refer to Wikipedia on this one.
    Since you accused me of trying to scare people, which surprised me, I would appreciate you justifying your remark. Can you go into specific detail what this organization does, how it is funded and what do they want to happen politically? I will be surprised if you actually know... Feel free to use Wikipedia if you wish... or even some old Stewart episodes... what ever you think is more accurate.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:56 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...Mr. Baumbach makes a pointed reference to La Raza (The Race), and only serves to make ill-informed people afraid and additionally shows his lack of knowledge

    Ms Bobin... please help the readers out. You sound like an expert on the workings of La Raza. Can you articulate the good deeds and goals of this organization. Or were you just pretending to know?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:53 am on Tue, Aug 2, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    MsBobin stated... Thank you so much, Mr. Baumbach, for all the compliments!

    Which compliments were you referring to Ms Bobin...?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:09 pm on Mon, Aug 1, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach makes a pointed reference to La Raza (The Race), and only serves to make ill-informed people afraid and additionally shows his lack of knowledge. What, did you look that up on your constant companion, Wikipedia?

    Try expanding your horizons beyond the bigoted confines of this town and maybe you will find that knowledge sets you free.


     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:58 pm on Mon, Aug 1, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Thank you so much, Mr. Baumbach, for all the compliments!

    Mr. Docktor at 7:56: Who do you think is paying all of these illegals "under the table?" You act as if US employers have a gun to their heads and are forced to hire illegals.

    Stop the reason for coming here and you can stop the illegal immigration.

    The Obama Administration holds a record for the highest number of employers who have been, or are in the process of, being prosecuted for knowingly hiring illegals.

    Mr. Maple - ignorant as expected. Sorry, Mr. Baumbach - I have to label an ignorant and ignorant, as much as it hurts you. Mr. Maple's constant cry is that Democrats want illegals to come to the US so they will support Democratic politicians and vote for them. Just how is that going to happen, Mr. Maple? The big illegal voter conspiracy? Thankfully, all of those states who are reinstating Jim Crow will take care of that problem. No ID? No vote. Can't read? No vote. Can't pass a simple test to confirm knowledge or the Constitution? OOPS, that takes care of Mr. Maple!

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 7:30 pm on Mon, Aug 1, 2011.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    It is not the DREAM of the Hispanics...it is the DREAM of the Democratic politicians. There is an old saying: you can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time....the gang of knuckleheads are running out of fools, so they are importing them.

     
  • Dave Christy posted at 3:28 pm on Mon, Aug 1, 2011.

    Dave Christy Posts: 27

    The message continues to be sent to law abiding tax paying citizens of this country, "that we no longer need to be." Don't worry , we are no longer a land of laws. If you like supporting this Gov. in it's present form you are a true Socioalist.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:04 pm on Mon, Aug 1, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Christi is obviously a bigot... can you imagine anyone has the gall to expect the law to be followed... some nerve. Tax payers should not be allowed to discriminate in favor of other tax payers just because they are legally in this country. Obviously Ms Bobin has a good point. How hateful to deny funding that benefits illegal immigrants... this is unconscionable. La Raza ( meaning the Race) should be proud that they sponsored and endorsed this wonderful legislation. Hopefully, all illegal immigrants will be granted amnesty and a guaranteed Federal job... then justice will be closer to done.

     
  • christi savage posted at 10:04 am on Mon, Aug 1, 2011.

    savagesea Posts: 1

    To those that endorse these policies, please read....and then read again....and AGAIN....and AGAIN....and AGAIN......until you finally understand:

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/illegal

    According to Merriam-Webster, the DREAM ACT is in and of itself ILLEGAL! Since when are people that commit the crime of ILLEGAL entry into this country entitled to ANYTHING under the laws of the United States?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:56 am on Mon, Aug 1, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2826

    Evidently Joanne fails to see the bigotry of Brown and Obama, case in point being
    they give preferential treatment to Illegals of one race over all others. And she puts earplugs on so she doesn't have to hear the giant sucking sound of money going accross the border to Mexico from Illegals who can because they get payed under the table.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:43 am on Mon, Aug 1, 2011.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2826

    Excellent points Joe.

    And Joanne,
    Where are those facts that back up your implications that the Dream Act DOES NOT
    directly benefit Illegals, mainly those of Hispanic origin?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:57 am on Sun, Jul 31, 2011.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin... your rants are becoming silly ... before they were inaccurate. Now, it seems like everybody is either a bigot, racist, hater, or an idiot if they have different positions and thoughts compared to yours.

    It is amazing that someone as intelligent and educated as yourself has reduced herself to absurdity. I always enjoy reading your posts when you forget to call someone a name, but that rarely happens anymore.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:22 am on Sun, Jul 31, 2011.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Interesting bit of propaganda - filled with untruths and half-truths. Joe needs to tell the full story - not just his anti-Hispanic ranting. But then if he did that, he wouldn't be able to spread his hate for Hispanics. And the LNS publishes this ethnically biased garbage on a continual basis.

     

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