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Brian Dockter

Brian Dockter: So Mr. Chang....Do you also have issues with old angry white guys who are Liberals who voted for Romney because they're fed up with Obama? Or do you believe there is no such thing as an old angry white guy that is a Liberal?

Thursday, November 22, 2012, 8:06 am


Darrell Baumbach

Darrell Baumbach: So Mr Chang.... I guess your answer is that you are not going to apologize
for your bigotry as you are having too much fun mocking...

Humm... sounds about right for a liberal...

Thursday, November 22, 2012, 4:33 am


Darrell Baumbach

Darrell Baumbach: Exactly!!! [beam]

In fact, I am quite happy to call it as I see it.

You are happy to be a bigot and proud of it.

[thumbdown]

Thursday, November 22, 2012, 4:29 am


Darrell Baumbach

Darrell Baumbach: Exactlt!! [beam]

Thursday, November 22, 2012, 4:26 am


Walt

Walt: Darrell said: "I'm not angry"

[lol]

Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 7:52 pm


Darrell Baumbach

Darrell Baumbach: Mr Chang stated... Darrell returns to the LNS with the debut of his opus "I declare WAR on liberals".

Another distortion by that man who sincerely hates old white guys. Liberals declared war on conseratives... you are evidence... you declared war on old white guys with your bigoted comments.

Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 6:06 pm


Darrell Baumbach

Darrell Baumbach: Mr Chang stated......“IF THESE KIND OF FORUMS WEREN”T AVAILABLE…WHERE WOULD “ALL” THE OLD ANGRY WHITE GUYS GO TO PROJECT THEIR MISDIRECTED ANIMOSITIES??

Definition of BIGOT ...Websters dictionary...

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with intolerance

Mr Chang, when are you going to apologize?

Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 5:48 pm


Darrell Baumbach

Darrell Baumbach: When are you going to apologize for your bigotry Mr Chang... you want to distract and distort... focus on your own words please...

Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 5:34 pm


Walt

Walt: "Communist Nitwit News"

Joe, that's it?

You woke up from your nap to post that??

Pitiful.


[beam]

Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 2:25 pm


Walt

Walt: Darrell, listen to the Colonel, he's trying to help you.


[beam]

Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 2:21 pm


Walt

Walt: Darrell said: "inexplicably removed"

Darrell said: "I'm going to participate elsewhere"

Darrell said: "take care, Jerry"

Darrell said: "I'm not angry"

For long five days, Darrell refrained from posting on the LNS comments section.

On November 6th, his favorite candidates and propositions took a beating. Child candidate Gill is sent home. Prop 30 and 32 both fail. Lungren looses to Bera. Tea Party favorites across the nation loose including West.

Oh yeah, Romney looses all of those pesky swing states and the election...

Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 2:18 pm


Walt

Walt: President Obama triumphantly returns to Washington...

The Romney campaign starts making excuses and pointing fingers...

"Old angry white guys" across the nation head for their keyboards...

On day six of his haitus, Darrell returns to the LNS with the debut of his opus "I declare WAR on liberals".

Darrell said: "I'm not angry"

Fine Darrell, I get it.

You're not angry!

[wink]

Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 2:17 pm


Darrell Baumbach

Darrell Baumbach: Robert...Ive heard that one too.Thanks for bringing that up!

Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 1:03 pm


Bob Chapman

Bob Chapman: Mr. Baumbach, aren't you aware that only WHITES can be bigots and racists? Everyone else is simply "expressing" themselves under the 1st amendment.

Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 9:59 am


Darrell Baumbach

Darrell Baumbach: Mr Chang stated......“IF THESE KIND OF FORUMS WEREN”T AVAILABLE…WHERE WOULD “ALL” THE OLD ANGRY WHITE GUYS GO TO PROJECT THEIR MISDIRECTED ANIMOSITIES??

Definition of BIGOT ...Websters dictionary...

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with intolerance

Mr Chang, when are you going to apologize?

Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 9:35 am


Darrell Baumbach

Darrell Baumbach: Mr Chang who is angry at old white guys stated..."Folks, only angry people declare war" ..

Have no idea if "only" angry people declare war. I think greedy people who want power (liberals) and willing to control free people to get it might declare war...

In my last letter, it was titled " Liberals are at War with Conservatives" .. in it, I explained that conservatives must passionately defend themselves and attempt to defeat liberalism.

This is not an anger issue. This is a survival issue if survival is defined as living a life free of government control. To fight for what one's principles is noble. Mr Chang wants to distort reality to make it into something it is not.

What else could you expect from someone like Mr Chang that obviously displays bigotry .

Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 9:29 am


Joe Baxter

Joe Baxter: CNN? Really? Absolutely nothing BIASED at Communist Nitwit News, eh?

Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 9:26 am


Darrell Baumbach

Darrell Baumbach: Conservatives have a love for personal freedom and are afraid Obama's Federal power grab will lead to enslaving them in his future liberal socialist utopia.

Most conservatives are taking action to defeat liberalism. I cannot think of a better activity that brings happiness to me. So why in the world would I be angry.

Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 9:19 am


Darrell Baumbach

Darrell Baumbach: Mr Chang, who has anger problem with old white guys as he articulated stated...anger, denial but no acceptance of Obama's victory"

Actually Mr Chang, I fully accept that Obama is our president and is in position of power. Obama is a politician, nothing more.

Most conservatives I know are not angry at all and your claim as such is a distortion of reality. Your bigotry is clouding your judgment Mr Chang.

In contrast, you appear to be livid because conservatives refuse to be liberal sheeple that follow our presidents policies no matter if there is merit.

Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 9:15 am


Walt

Walt: Darrell said: "I will be pleased when the president gets re-elected".

Darrell was obviously being less then honest when he made that statement. He declared it multiple times too.

Darrell then took several day off from posting at election time to deal privately with his grief.

His return to the LNS coincided with the release of his angry letter "I declare WAR on liberals".

Folks, only angry people declare war.


[lol]

Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 9:01 am


Walt

Walt: "Folks, only angry people declare war"

Darrell, are you sure you're are not an "old angry white guy"??

It appears to me that you have all of the defining characteristics.

I rest my case.

[wink]

Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 8:59 am


Walt

Walt: "Archconservatives: anger, denial but no acceptance of Obama's victory"

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/20/politics/tea-party-grief/index.html?hpt=po_c1

Darrell, are you a archconservative?

Is that just a fancy word for "old angry white guys"??

[beam]

Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 8:53 am


Brian Dockter

Brian Dockter: I read Joe's columns all the time and from my perspective, other than he is a proponent of limiting the flow of illegal immigrants from any country, he is not opposed to immigrants seeking to become U.S. citizens as long as they go through the right channels.

Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 6:57 am


Darrell Baumbach

Darrell Baumbach: The only questions at hand Mr Chang is when will to apologize? When will you seek therapy to overcome your bigotry?

Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 4:56 am


Darrell Baumbach

Darrell Baumbach: No Mr Chang... I am simply waiting for you to apologize for your angry bitter bigoted statement

that you only single out one group and claim their behavior is based on anger when in fact you have no direct knowledge or facts to back up your statements indicates a bias and bigotry that to me is inappropriate.

I was wondering for quite some time why you mocked what you perceived was old angry white guys, and I wondered if there was anger and resentment behind all that mocking you were doing... but now that you admit to your bigotry based of the definition of bigot, it is now so very clear.

Your mocking that was in the past perceived as gentle humor has now been exposed to be something ugly.

Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 4:54 am


Walt

Walt: In fact, what does this blog have to do with anything?"

"Doug, if these types of forums weren't available....

Where would all of the old angry white guys go to project their misdirected animosities??"

Darrell, quit obfuscating.

Why don't you just try to pontificate on the questions at hand?


[wink]

Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 7:39 pm


Darrell Baumbach

Darrell Baumbach: Mr Chang, the elction is over.... you can wake up[sleeping]

Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 6:50 pm


Darrell Baumbach

Darrell Baumbach: Clearly Mr Chang, you are now back tracking and distracting and distorting what you said... focus please... stay on your own words and topic... you stated...“IF THESE KIND OF FORUMS WEREN”T AVAILABLE…WHERE WOULD “ALL” THE OLD ANGRY WHITE GUYS GO TO PROJECT THEIR MISDIRECTED ANIMOSITIES??

You can play games and talk about the word angry ... but no matter how one cuts it, you were making a bigoted remark by talking about "WHITE GUYS"... specifically, ALL OLD ANGRY WHITE GUYS....and again, since you so often mock this particular group, you obviously have bitter feelings for old white guys that you "PERCEIVE" to be angry(does not mean they are angry)... In reality, you exhibit attitudes of bigotry since you have no evidence that this group is angry and you are insulting a group you are mocking. It appears you are one angry Asian guy that just happens to be bigoted.

Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 6:46 pm


Walt

Walt: Joe, the election is over.

Go back to sleep.....

[sleeping]

Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 5:54 pm


Walt

Walt: Darrell, you're loosing your edge.

"He is talking about a group of people in general"

No, not true. Old angry white guys specifically, especially those prone to posting angry mean spirited rants.

"mocks what he perceives are old white guys at LNS"

No, not true. You've left out a very important adjective, angry. Old angry white guys, please quote me correctly.

"finally admits that all old white guys disgust him"

No, not at all. Old angry white guys, especially those prone to posting angry mean spirited rants, entertain me. Murderers, rapist, arsonist etc., they disgust me. But old angry white guys, especially those prone to posting angry mean spirited rants, entertain me.

Strictly entertainment.

[beam]

Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 5:52 pm


Joe Baxter

Joe Baxter: Finally, someone was wise enough to put a name to our current form of government, brought to you by Owe-Blame-O and all the mush brained liberal stooges:
INEPTOCRACY

A system of government where the
least capable to lead are elected by the
least capable of producing, and where
the members of society least likely to
sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid
for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 5:43 pm


Darrell Baumbach

Darrell Baumbach:
Mr. Chang mocked… What would you do, with all of your time, if this place didn’t exist???.. Hmmm???

Until 2 years ago, I never participated in online posting and did just fine. Since I have cut my work time from 12-14 hours per day to 8-9 hours a day, I have plenty of time to take breaks and post comments... really is quite easy since I am at my computer anyway. In fact, most people I know watch TV for 3-4 hours per day… I do not. Instead, I post comments on line.
It does make me wonder though Mr. Chang... what would you do with your time of you were not so worried and angry at all those old white guys you so often mock and ridicule? I really do think you should enroll in a sensitivity class to treat your bigotry.

Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 5:20 pm


Darrell Baumbach

Darrell Baumbach: Mr. Chang stated...“old angry white guys” ...Darrell, please try to stay focused. My opinion: You’re old. You’re angry. You’re white. You’re a guy.

Response...Had Mr. Chang simply insulted me I would not had a problem. Unfortunately, he went far beyond a personal insult to the realm of bigotry when he stated the following’ at 5:07 pm on Mon, Nov 19, 2012… “IF THESE KIND OF FORUMS WEREN”T AVAILABLE…WHERE WOULD ALL THE OLD ANGRY WHITE GUYS GO TO PROJECT THEIR MISDIRECTED ANIMOSITIES??

This statement clearly is not about me since he was talking about forums like this in general. He is talking about a group of people in general…In addition, normally, Mr. Chang mocks what he perceives are old white guys at LNS. Now, he finally admits that all old white guys disgust him thus meeting the text book definition of a bigot.

Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 5:08 pm


Joanne Bobin

Joanne Bobin: Shrivel up and die?

Crutches are varied. This site is a crutch that a conservative poster clutches onto, seeking relevance, trying to validate existence....

And failing miserably.

Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 5:02 pm


Joe Baxter

Joe Baxter: Poor Bobbin, she just can't discern the difference between immigrants and ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSERS.

Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 4:54 pm


Walt

Walt: “old angry white guys”

Darrell, please try to stay focused.

My opinion: You’re old. You’re angry. You’re white. You’re a guy.

Except for the Tea Party gal, your peer group is likewise.

You’ve projected (posted) 9000 times. More than the rest of your gang combined.

You doggedly patrol this place almost 24/7.

What would you do, with all of your time, if this place didn’t exist???

Hmmm???


[huh]

Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 1:44 pm


Darrell Baumbach

Darrell Baumbach: A liberal poster stated...Mr. Chaney - Joe Baxter and Darrell Baumbach are two "angry white guys" who love to believe that I practice reverse racism

Clearly, this person is reading between the lines again and inserting what ever information that she wants.

In reality, I love life and am grateful for what nature has given me. This insincere poster intentionally distorts what I think and perceive. Clearly I am not angry in the least and look forward to each day and the joys each day provides. I also look forward to helping America be a better place to live by participating it defeating liberalism.

It appears her bigotry has gotten the best of her and by reading her posts, a reasonable person would appreciate the problems she is having and pity her. I do feel sorry for this liberal since her anger, resentment and frustration in her inability to articulate her thoughts with kindness escapes her. I hope she can find peace so that people who cross her path are not frightened by her interaction.

Happy Thanksgiving to this misguided liberal.

Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 1:19 pm


Darrell Baumbach

Darrell Baumbach: A liberal poster in this thread stated...Bigots (progressive liberals) are a dime a dozen in this forum...

That very well may be true... considering the posts of Mr Chang and Ms Bobin, no doubt she is correct. Maybe these two individuals can take a sensitivity class together and become best of friends.However, I would disagree that they are a dime a dozen... more like a penny.

Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 1:02 pm


Darrell Baumbach

Darrell Baumbach: CONTINUED...

Facts about who voted for Romney ..only old white guys? Give me a break. Obviously, the notion that only old white guys voted for Romney is a result of extreme bigotry by liberals like Chang and his accomplices.


1. White women actually favored Romney by 56 to 42 percent.. ( not old white guys)
2. All married woman as a group of all races voted for Romney by a 7% margin.
3. 80% of all Mormons (60 % of the 80% are women and men not classified as old white guys)
4. 60% of all married men voted for Romney ( many non old white guys)
5. 53% of all college graduates regardless of race and gender voted for Romney..( not only old white) guys
6. Even 8% of all black women between the ages of 45-64 years of age, and 9% of all black people between the ages 18-29 voted for Romney... I believe this group cannot be classified as old white guys.

On the other hand 70% of all uneducated people without high school diploma's voted for Obama.

Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 9:08 am


Darrell Baumbach

Darrell Baumbach: A far left liberal posted...All agree that ONLY angry white guys voted for Willard Mitt Romney. But Mr. Baumbach wants to label Mr. Chang a BIGOT...

Typical far left distortion by a far left distortionist...

I did not label Mr. Chang a bigot... I posted the definition of "a bigot" from the dictionary. According to the dictionary, a person is bigoted when obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance ... Since millions of people who are not old white guys and in reality voted for Romney, it is obvious Mr Chang and his accomplice are irrational to perceive it is not a text book example of bigotry. That Chang's accomplice is defending the old white guy distortion demonstrates it's bigotry as well. Now all this liberal do is look at a mirror around every corner to see what it normally sees around every corner.

Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 8:47 am


Joanne Bobin

Joanne Bobin: Doug Chaney wrote: "What does being white have to do with clubbing seals to death? In fact, what does this blog have to do with anything?"

Darrell Baumbach wrote: "What does Mr Chaney's post have anything to do with Joe's point?

Absolutely nothing.. went right over Mr. Chaney's head."

Mr. Chaney - Joe Baxter and Darrell Baumbach are two "angry white guys" who love to believe that I practice reverse racism, i.e., that I am anti-white everything, thus the comment that if Joe Guzzardi was against clubbing "white baby seals" I would be against his position because the seals are "white."

Bigots are a dime a dozen in this forum, and unfortunately, they are also incapable of understanding the basic precept that Joe Guzzardi has difficulty writing truthful information about immigration.

In order to perpetuate his anti-immigrant agenda, he must twist the facts in order to hook those in his audience who are ready to believe anything he writes, i.e., Baxter and Baumbach.

Joe Guzzardi writes anti-immigration columns for many publications nationwide. The LNS is only a minute fragment of his market...but a very lucrative one in that he has found that Lodians are more than eager to lap up his anti-immigrant, anti-Hispanic agenda.

Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 8:40 am


Darrell Baumbach

Darrell Baumbach: What does Mr Chaney's post have anything to do with Joe's point?


Absolutely nothing.. went right over Mr. Chaney's head.

Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 7:58 am


Darrell Baumbach

Darrell Baumbach: I did not think the obvious bigotry that Mr Chang blatantly spews warrants a wink... I think [angry] is a better expression for such distasteful behavior.

Maybe Mr Chang should consider a sensitivity class.

Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 4:37 am


Darrell Baumbach

Darrell Baumbach: Mr Chang stated..."In fact, what does this blog have to do with anything?"
Doug, if these types of forums weren't available.... Where would all of the old angry white guys go to project their misdirected animosities??Definition of BIGOT
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance .

So how does one respond to Mr Chang and still be civil... if I am comprehending what is there, he is basically projecting his animosity at one group of people. He is talking about a large group well beyond the scope of Lodi News Sentinel as he said “forums like these”. So Mr Chang is introducing his own bias and bigotry into the conversation. He has excluded old Chinese, Hispanic, Black, Japanese, African, Thai and Malaysian guys...he has excluded all females and all youth.
He is focused on one group nation wide that he perceives are old angry white guys. When someone suffers at the hands of such vile remarks that Mr Chang seems to enjoy, how are they to respond?
My response is I wonder if he considers himself a bigot? Or is he just oblivious to reality...or is he just an angry Chinese guy?

Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 4:30 am


Walt

Walt: [wink]

Monday, November 19, 2012, 5:09 pm


Walt

Walt: "In fact, what does this blog have to do with anything?"

Doug, if these types of forums weren't available....

Where would all of the old angry white guys go to project their misdirected animosities??

Monday, November 19, 2012, 5:07 pm


advocate

advocate: What ddoes being white have to do with clubbing seals to death? In fact, what does this blog have to do with anything?

Monday, November 19, 2012, 4:35 pm


Eric Barrow

Eric Barrow: I'm much more concerned with continuation of Democratic victories than your opinion of why they happened.

Monday, November 19, 2012, 8:34 am


Brian Dockter

Brian Dockter: I have to admit. Democrats are good at making a case for something ficticious. It's kind of like convincing someone to buy some ocean front property in Blythe, CA.

Monday, November 19, 2012, 7:54 am


Brian Dockter

Brian Dockter: Eric,

Thanks for confirming that all Dems have to do is lower the bar and people like you will come out in the droves and vote for them.

Monday, November 19, 2012, 7:50 am


Eric Barrow

Eric Barrow: What a shock Joe finds himself right of the right his brand of extremism is what cost Romney the election and if left unchecked will cost the repubs in future elections but you guys keep on keepin on it's working out great for the Dems.

Monday, November 19, 2012, 7:40 am


Joe Baxter

Joe Baxter: If Joe Guzzardi wrote a column denouncing clubbing baby seals to death, Bobbin would twist it around in order to complain. I can hearit now, "if those baby seals weren't white, he would approve".

Monday, November 19, 2012, 7:23 am


Brian Dockter

Brian Dockter: Ms. Bobin is once again counting on people to not read much into Joe's column and in turn take her word as gospel that Joe once again hasn't the foggiest idea what he is talking about. And this is the main reason why you won't see any lettters or columns published in the LNS by her. Of course she'll say she's never had any intentions of writing letters or columns in the LNS.

Monday, November 19, 2012, 7:01 am


Brian Dockter

Brian Dockter: Joe,

Thanks for your fact filled column. We shouldn't expect anything less than taking it apart and trying to discredit you from Ms. Bobin and her minions. She does make it a habit of trying to make the case of right is wrong and wrong is right. It's entertaining, though. I'm almost looking forward to the day when she agrees with you on something. That's when you must be wrong.

Monday, November 19, 2012, 6:50 am


Brian Dockter

Brian Dockter: Ms. Bobin wrote:

I don't know what media Joe Guzzardi has been reading, watching, or listening to, but I haven't seen anything that indicates that Willard Mitt Romney's loss was the sole responsibility of the Hispanic vote.

-And you won't Ms. Bobin because no one, including Joe, is saying Hispanics are soley responsible for re-electing Obama. The fact is, all Obama had to do was lower the bar and people would vote for him. It's kind of counter-intuative. but when you nhave the likes of Ms. Bobin saying right is wrong and wrong is right in such a fashion that it makes sense it's a recipe for disaster. Now we have four more years of disaster. The likes of Ms. Bobin have somehow pulled it off.

Monday, November 19, 2012, 6:43 am


Joe Baxter

Joe Baxter: Mostly MALARKEY.

Monday, November 19, 2012, 5:58 am


Joanne Bobin

Joanne Bobin: Well, surprise, surpise again. Joe Guzzardi has found one thing NOT to blame on Hispanics!

But the reasoning is along the same lines - NEVER give a group that you despise credit for ANYTHING.

I don't know what media Joe Guzzardi has been reading, watching, or listening to, but I haven't seen anything that indicates that Willard Mitt Romney's loss was the sole responsibility of the Hispanic vote.

The key states he mentions, Michigan, Ohio, Iowa, and Pennsylvania, did not vote for Romney because of his stance on the auto bailout and the continued lies he told toward the end of the campaign about Jeep shipping jobs overseas.

If we are going to talk about states with large Hispanic populations and use Joe Guzzardi's reasoning, there would not be Republican governors in Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and California (Arnie for 7 years).

The bottom line is that Romney lost due to a variety of factors - among them his lack of "likability" among voters who were not solely voting against Obama, his stance on the auto bailout, his disdain for 47% of the country who he perceived as "takers," and "victims," and who did not want to "take responsibility" for themselves. He lost because of his antiquated views on women's health issues, his inability to connect to the middle class, his toxic running mate and many other reasons too numerous to list.

Willard Mitt Romney was the most desirable of the clown car of a disaster that was the Republican primary candidates - the only one who could hold his breath longer than all the others and didn't have any sexual or racial indisgressions, or implications of bigotry in their backgrounds.

When a candidate is the last resort as a candidate of the party, he is bound to fail - no matter how poorly his opposition is viewed.

And, as usual, Joe Guzzardi tries to connect the topic of his column to his disdain for immigrants - whether legal or illegal. His anti-immigration stance seems to be an obsession.

I am curious what Joe Guzzardi proposes we do with all of the immigrants living and working in the US today? Let them "self-deport" as Romney suggested? Round them up as President Obama had been doing? Or find a way to integrate those that are here, are working, and are contributing to the economy?

Obviously, in Guzzardi-World, the latter is out of the question - whether it makes sense or not.

Saturday, November 17, 2012, 2:51 pm