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Posted: Saturday, May 8, 2010 12:00 am | Updated: 11:15 am, Thu Jul 22, 2010.

I support Arizona's SB 1070. Therefore, I am a Nazi.

Despite my 25-year Lodi resume that includes teaching English to immigrants of all colors and faiths, sitting on the American Cancer Society's local board, instructing senior citizens about computer literacy and advising People Assisting the Lodi Shelter, I am the equal of Adolf Hilter's followers.

According to those who oppose the Arizona legislation and the journalists who agree with them, my Nazi sympathies are obvious.

No less an authority on morals than Los Angeles Archbishop Roger Cardinal Mahony repeatedly confirms it: SB 1070 reminds him of Nazi Germany. How Mahony can pretend to take the high road is beyond me. In 2007, Mahony's archdiocese paid out $660 million to settle pedophilia sex abuse charges against its priests.

Mainstream media reporting on SB 1070 represents the profession's lowest moment. And that is saying a mouthful.

To compare, even indirectly, Americans who believe that federal immigration law should be enforced to Nazis is an outrage. Not even a remote comparison can be made between what happened in Germany and what's going on in Arizona.

As you know by now, SB 1070 requires no more than the federal statute already on the books that instructs lawful immigrants to carry a U.S. government-issued green card as proof of authorization to live and work in America.

If they're not permanent residents, they need "temporary visas" that allow them to visit as tourists, students or seasonal workers.

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer said, to an apparently deaf media audience, "the legislation mirrors federal laws regarding immigration enforcement … . Despite erroneous and misleading statements suggesting otherwise, the new state misdemeanor crime of willful failure to complete or carry an alien registration document is adopted, verbatim, from the same offense founding federal statute."

The truth is that native-born American citizens regularly have to show identification. Try to buy groceries without a driver's license. See if you can get on Southwest Airlines without proof of who you are. Not even the public library will issue you a card to borrow books published 50 years ago without confirmation of your name and current address.

Despite suggestions to the contrary, SB 1070 does not authorize or require random roundups or stop-checks.

The bill's key phrase is "reasonable suspicion," which like "probable cause" is a well-established legal concept requiring that a law enforcement officer must possess sufficiently trustworthy facts to believe a crime has been committed.

For example, an Arizona driver who has been stopped for running a red light who cannot produce a valid driver's license might be the object of reasonable suspicion.

On the other hand, an Arizona resident who "looks Mexican" and is walking peacefully down to street to buy ice cream for his children could not be asked for identification.

Over the past 10 days, I have challenged reporters from major California dailies who have written about public figures like Mahony that link patriotic citizens to Nazis.

In telephone conversations, I ask them if they know friends, have relatives or co-workers who are sympathetic to the intent of SB 1070.

Since this is California, where illegal immigration is as much a problem as it is in Arizona, the reporters of course know several from the pro-enforcement crowd.

When I then ask the reporters if they consider their friends and family as Nazis, they answer no.

Here's how I close my conversations. Just because someone like Mahony says that he links SB 1070 advocates to Nazis, reporters do not have to include his statement in their stories. Mahony's charge is baseless and incendiary.

But if unsubstantiated, outrageous lies slip into a story, the editors could strike them. Newspapers should not print hurtful allegations, especially when the unnamed targets of them like me are not given a chance to respond.

Surprisingly, President Barack Obama and the Anti-Defamation League agree.

At his University of Michigan commencement speech, Obama called for "civil discourse" about political differences.

Abraham H. Foxman, Director of the ADL, added: "It also is incumbent upon our political leaders on both sides of the aisle, and on both sides of the immigration debate or whatever the hot-button issue of the day, to be responsible for their words, to consider their criticism carefully and to refrain from bringing Nazis or the Holocaust into the discussion."

Obama and Foxman have the right idea. Here's hoping that not only politicians, but also journalists follow their advice.

Joe Guzzardi retired from the Lodi Unified School District in 2008. This week, Pennsylvania introduced legislation similar to Arizona's SB 1070. Contact him at guzzjoe@yahoo.com

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198 comments:

  • posted at 4:15 am on Tue, May 18, 2010.

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    To ecjcf2002:I do respect the values you hold for America in your previous posts. We just disagree on what is best for America.Making someone a Supreme Court Justice for life, who has NEVER once BEEN a JUDGE at ANY COURT LEVEL, is a very STUPID thing for our president to do, for the mere sake of putting a LIBERAL on the Supreme Court Bench for the next 30 years!I guess it was no more stupid then ensuring that his Aunt was granted assylum after living in America illegally for years!http://www.onenewsnow.com/AP/Search/US/Default.aspx?id=1016084

     
  • posted at 4:12 am on Tue, May 18, 2010.

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    ecjcf2002 wrote on May 15, 2010 12:32 AM:I prefer the government bring back our troops and stop spending trillions of our tax dollars on wars overseas. When Clinton left office this country had a surplus of money. When Bush left we were trillions in debt. What about the problems we face with health care, and Social Security? Those are bigger issues that politicians avoid and instead focus on the issue of Illegal immigration to get your vote. Republicans in office don't have our best interest in mind."Excuse me ecjcf2002, Obama refuses to bring our troops home from Iraq & Afghanistan, he forced health care (Down America's Throats), he has NOT made Social security solvent, and banned any president or congress from dipping into Social security fund again, he has us in trillions in the deficiet, and wants to grant millions of illegals amnesty! Amnesty was granted in the 1980's and look how many illegals we have today!The Democrat President, Senate and House don't have America's best interest in mind."

     
  • posted at 4:06 am on Tue, May 18, 2010.

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    To ecjcf2002:I could go on and on and debate you on the merits of Amnesty and illegal immigrants, but instead, I will touch on 3 simple points:First: Illegal immigrants are NOT screened for diseases, which increases health risks to everyone they come into contact with.second, if any illegal immigrant is granted amnesty/citizenship and they or their foreign born children are disabled they immediately qualify for Social security check, free medical, and food stamps.Third, amnesty allows illegal immigrants to learn to Read, write and speak English, learn our countries laws, and customs, assimilate. It does not allow them to EARN the right to become an American Citizen, like the rest of the world's immigrants must do.

     
  • posted at 3:59 am on Tue, May 18, 2010.

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    ecjcf2002 wrote on May 15, 2010 12:07 AM:" T&C, I salute your Patriotism but I doubt Teddy Roosevelt would have been a friend of mine. This country doesn't allow very many people to come here. Judging by your spirited answers if you were in the immigrants situation I doubt that you would just stand in line while the quality of life around you deteriorates."I would love to live in Canada, not because of free health care, lol, but because I love the northwest and hunting and fishing. But I would NEVER CRAWL into Canada just because I could not immigrate there lawfully.Please post a reliable weblink where it verifies millions of hispanics applied lawfully for immigration to the U.S. and were denied?Here's your chance to prove that millions of hispanics tried the front door and were denied citizenship!I can't wait to see this supposed reliable weblink!Australia would deny me citizenship because I am disabled. Does that mean I have the right to Illegally enter and remain in Austalia because I want to? NO IT DOESN'T!

     
  • posted at 7:32 pm on Fri, May 14, 2010.

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    Illegal immigration is a problem in this country but it isn't the biggest one we have. If amnesty was granted, and soon, we could stop spending money on trying to catch the illegals and focus more on the drug problem in this country. I prefer the government bring back our troops and stop spending trillions of our tax dollars on wars overseas. When Clinton left office this country had a surplus of money. When Bush left we were trillions in debt. We use tax dollars on government bailouts just so those same fraudulent bankers who caused our real estate meltdown could pay out millions in bonuses to CEO's. We spend billons anually on prison inmates who have been in jail for decades and have no chance of parole. Why not find a solution to that? What about the problems we face with health care, and Social Security? Those are bigger issues that politicians avoid and instead focus on the issue of Illegal immigration to get your vote. Republicans in office don't have our best interest in mind. They are too busy scheming on the best way to get tax breaks to big corporations, and up their own incomes.

     
  • posted at 7:07 pm on Fri, May 14, 2010.

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    T&C, I salute your Patriotism but I doubt Teddy Roosevelt would have been a friend of mine. The history text show he did little for minorities and I doubt he liked them very much. "Your stand in line" theory is the very cause that make people come here illegally. This country doesn't allow very many people to come here. Judging by your spirited answers if you were in the immigrants situation I doubt that you would just stand in line while the quality of life around you deteriorates. As for being "cowards" have you seen what those people go through to get here? Thousands have lost their lives trying to get here. Cubans become U.S. Citizens the moment they set foot on U.S. soil, yet Mexicans and other Latinos get deported if they are caught here. Why don't they get treated the same? Did those millions of immigrants who came to Ellis Island have to stand in line? Or isn't it true that before even 1 month had passed Citizenship was granted? I'm fairly sure that immigrants would come here legally if they could rather than being chased by border patrol or hunted and shot at by Minute Men.

     
  • posted at 1:23 pm on Fri, May 14, 2010.

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    64% of people polled support this law. Currently on CNN 62% favor the Feds staying out of a court challenge. I believe there are 30 other states that already have a similar law in effect. Why is AZ the only state picked on?

     
  • posted at 10:07 am on Fri, May 14, 2010.

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    every one talks about race.just to clarify,hispanic is a race.a race is a way of "categorizing" groups from different ethnic backgrounds that share common traits.Mexican is an ethnicity. It is a group with a specific ethnic background.

     
  • posted at 9:47 am on Fri, May 14, 2010.

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    First off, um, why would you have to show your ID to buy groceries? I think we have to show our ID's way too much as it Arizona's law is the wrong way to deal with immigration. The problem won't be solved in that manner. You KNOW it won't.you may say they are "finally doing something about it". But in reality they are just making themselves worst off. and in comment to the Nazi comment, I'm pretty sure some German's taught Jewish kids. Doesn't mean they didn't turn Nazi. Not saying Joe's a Nazi. He's not. but be careful in what you support. This is not the bill to support.

     
  • posted at 8:39 am on Fri, May 14, 2010.

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    Good to know that jefferson was keeping up with current events last evening by watching Hannipropagandaty. I love seeing Sean gloat when he "uncovers" well kept secrets like Eric Holder not having read the AZ law. I think that is why we pay for numerous assistant AG's, so Eric doesn't have to stay up all night reading trash like that.Actually, Gio, most Mexicans are of mixed race, Caucasian and Native American, unless you think the Aztecs and Mayans arrived from Europe with Cortez. They are not incorrect in calling themselves La Raza. Too bad you didn't do any reading while you were "away."And T&C at 8:14, by your requirements, all Americans who live overseas should also relinquish their American citizenship in favor of the country in which they are working. After all, they are making money by displacing the citizens of the foreign countries in which they work and live.

     
  • posted at 3:20 am on Fri, May 14, 2010.

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    To ecjcf2002:If you disagree with the values stated by president Roosevelt, I will not apolgize to you on his behalf.Coming to America in (Good Faith) is the basis that sets immigrants seeking citizenship legally, and those who (HIDE) waiting for the day Obama grants them total amnesty!

     
  • posted at 3:17 am on Fri, May 14, 2010.

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    The key statement President Roosevelt makes is:" Theodore Roosevelt on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN Citizen in 1907…"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else".Illegally entering and REMAINING in America and Making NO EFFORT to become a Legal U.S. Citizen is (NOT COMING TO AMERICA IN GOOD FAITH!)ENTRY into America is done to (Get all the services they can, while retaining Mexican citizenship and refusing to obtain U.S. Citizenship!STAND IN LINE LIKE THE REST OF THE WORLDS IMMIGRANTS!

     
  • posted at 3:14 am on Fri, May 14, 2010.

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    Theodore Roosevelt on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN Citizen in 1907…"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."I believe in what President Roosevelt stated.

     
  • posted at 3:10 am on Fri, May 14, 2010.

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    ecjcf2002 wrote on May 13, 2010 8:25 PM:" T&C, I just happen to believe others should have those same opportunities, obviously you don't.Good morning ecjcf2002:The worlds immigrants all want to have a better opportunity. But they STAND IN LINE! They APPLY for immigration, pay the fees, STAND IN LINE, pass the tests and one day become an American citizen. I have no problem with any would-be Immigrant coming to America, but I prefer it not to be done "Cowardly" by sneaking in and staying without making ANY effort at all to be an American citizen year after year.USE THE FRONT DOOR to becoming a U.S. Citizen like the rest of the world on their way to becoming a American Citizen. As for "All they want is a chance at a better life"... answer me this:Does this apply to illegal mothers having baby after baby as well as all of the illegals across America that are incarcerated as well as (ILLEGAL Gang bangers?)The world must file for Immigration...so Should MEXICO. Illegals are NOT Screened for Disease.

     
  • posted at 1:57 am on Fri, May 14, 2010.

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    L - maybe you could tell her about how it works...or did you opt for the chip implant...figured with how you are all in support of big brother you would have been in the first test group....

     
  • posted at 12:10 am on Fri, May 14, 2010.

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    Giovanina! Long time no see.Did they give you one of those ankle bracelet things?

     
  • posted at 5:41 pm on Thu, May 13, 2010.

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    yeye2010 wrote on May 8, 2010 1:16 PM:" Dear Gringos,I would like to express what I feel about your opinion about illegals. It is terrible how the white people think about Mexicans and all illegal Latin o immigrants. When you come to Mexico for vacation, you are very welcome to any touristic place and you can enjoy a paradise with little money. The house you have right now built by an illegal immigrant, the food you have in your table is from illegals; you can buy everything cheaper because illegals can survive with minimum wages. Mexicans spend a lot of money without conscience and making a lot of companies wealthy. Your racism will be your downfall. "First, you take a big risk going to MexicoSecond, everyone knows that houses built before the 1980's by Americans make it more than a decade before major repairs. New houses built by illegals need major repairs within 2-3 years.Third, Mexican is not a race, you Raza just call it one.

     
  • posted at 3:25 pm on Thu, May 13, 2010.

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    T&C, I'm ok with requiring them to read and write English. Obeying our laws is a requirement. If they can't then residency would be stripped. All they want is a chance at a better life. Everyone in my family is an American citizen. We were lucky enough to be born in this great country of ours. I just happen to believe others should have those same opportunities, obviously you don't. If I was forced to prove I belonged here enough times I would feel harrased and would seriously consider moving somewhere else. This is a country of laws but not all laws are great laws. Once people thought making alcohol illegal would fix our country's problems. Years later that law had to be repealed. Slavery was abolished in the 1860's but that didn't change peoples opinions about African Americans until the 1960's forced integration. Then slowly people began to change. Can you honestly sell me on the idea that if we deported the 10 million plus illegal immigrants in this country that this country's problems would disappear? It kills me that in this country people would legalize Marijuana before legalizing another human being.

     
  • posted at 3:11 pm on Thu, May 13, 2010.

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    Don't worry, those that criticize the AZ law are in good company - Eric Holder hasn't read the law either, but hey why let facts stand in the way of an agenda.....

     
  • posted at 2:44 pm on Thu, May 13, 2010.

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    To: edumacation.That site is scary [ugly] stuff...thanks, I just ate. I will stay with my "Walmarket" piks. At least I can hold down my dinner !!! Things are so bad, I do shop at Walmarket, but will not go without my minicamera. Its fertile ground.

     
  • posted at 2:15 pm on Thu, May 13, 2010.

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    Lodian wrote on May 13, 2010 6:14 PM:" Gator: Remember... our right to freely speak our mind is protected by those that serve. God bless them and blog on... " Now lodian did I say you couldn’t speak your mind, I don’t think so. I saidthe other day Republicans want cheap labor and Democrats want Victimswhich means nothing will change.. What I was saying is take a breath, takea break and think about those people with half a body, with a mind friedby IED’s some 400,000 with traumatic brain injury’s. That news storybrought it back to me in full, they are out there in the shadows and they need our support….

     
  • posted at 1:47 pm on Thu, May 13, 2010.

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    ecjcf2002 wrote on May 13, 2010 5:52 PM:?What if the government granted them residency and charged them a $5000 penalty for entering illegaly. That could generate millions while at the same time curb human trafficking and identity theft, also allowing them to contribute to Social Security. Multitudes of Latinos have come here illegally but then were allowed to become residents before 9/11. I think Politicans are hard at work trying to get Americans votes by taking a stance against illegal immigration. I doubt they will care once in office unless seeking re-election."Enforcing Every Illegal to pay a $5,000.00 fine? That was meant as a joke right?How about requiring them to SHOW they can read, write and speak english, learn our laws, and most of all OBEY our Laws? Those are just as important as "Foolishly believing that an illegal is going to just hand over $5,000.00 to President Obama! That will go over real well with his re-election hopes.No the president will grant total amnesty, under a sugar coated phrase called... "Path to citizenship"!In the 1980's the Government granted Amnesty and look where we are today!

     
  • posted at 1:14 pm on Thu, May 13, 2010.

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    Gator: Remember... our right to freely speak our mind is protected by those that serve. God bless them and blog on...

     
  • posted at 12:59 pm on Thu, May 13, 2010.

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    I was going to continue on with the banter going on here but I caught a segment on the NBC evening news to night that makes all of this seemso petty.. It was about the wounded warrior Games at the Olympic Traininggrounds in Colorado Springs. 160 amputees and PTSD soldiers from allthe services . Watching those men and women slide around on the floorno legs, 1 leg, half a leg, missing arms, they had it all. They were out theregiving 150% and asking nothing in return.. I have seen a Marine with halfa face. 19 years old the rest of his life in front of him. Then I come to the Silly Pi**ing and moaning here and I thought how pathetic!! WE owe thosepeople and we owe them big time.. We owe it to them not to forget. We have a habit of doing that after a few years. The next time you whine look in themirror your, face still there? arms and legs? Ok then suck it up and stopcomplaining …

     
  • posted at 12:52 pm on Thu, May 13, 2010.

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    I'm not for illegal immigration. I wish we could stop it but we can't. "Send them all back" people say. What about the millions who have been here for years and are waiting reform. Those who have children who are US citizens, should they be forced to go back to a country which is know foreign to them? Yes some American jobs have been lost to illegals but have we considered that they spend money here too? You can't tell me they don't pay rent, or buy clothes or eat at McDonalds or buy from Wal-Mart. What if the government granted them residency and charged them a $5000 penalty for entering illegaly. That could generate millions while at the same time curb human trafficking and identity theft, also allowing them to contribute to Social Security. Multitudes of Latinos have come here illegally but then were allowed to become residents before 9/11. They are proof that amnesty has worked and can work again. I think Politicans are hard at work trying to get Americans votes by taking a stance against illegal immigration. I doubt they will care once in office unless seeking re-election. This has been a problem for decades.

     
  • posted at 11:41 am on Thu, May 13, 2010.

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    T & C: Are you on assistance of any kind?

     
  • posted at 11:28 am on Thu, May 13, 2010.

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    Here is a little FYI, yes the Illegal’s pose a real problem for America, No argument there…But Muslims and Pedophiles have installed fear andMistrust and contempt here and basically changed our life for ever …Parents are afraid to let their children play outside or walk to school or now have doubts about letting them go to the Malls alone…Not counting all the terrorist attacks before and after, still 9/11 was the benchmark where life in America Changed and not for the good. If we had a justice system that worked in this country Pedophiles would cease to be a problem…

     
  • posted at 11:25 am on Thu, May 13, 2010.

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    Hi Leonard, not sure what you mean by contributor?? I'm a hard working tax payer if that's what you mean. I'd love to continue this discussion with you but I need you to explain contributor??

     
  • posted at 11:08 am on Thu, May 13, 2010.

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    Does Mexico have borders? It does? And what do they do to their illegal immigrants? They do??? OMG!

     
  • posted at 11:05 am on Thu, May 13, 2010.

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    Betty, are you a contributor?

     
  • posted at 8:24 am on Thu, May 13, 2010.

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    I don't understand how hard working AMERICANS no matter race or color are opposed to this law. It seems to me that becoming a citizen is not all that difficult. Why should I have to scrimp and go without 3 days before pay day while my hard earned taxes are going to an illegal alien? Can someone explain to me why I would or should be okay with this? And guess what T & C ~ I'm a registered Democrat but a registered tax payer first and formost. Seems like if you make any comments concerning anything outside of the white race you're a racist. Well isn't it racist to call ME a racist for voicing my opinion..KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF MY MONEY IF YOU'RE ILLEGAL!!

     
  • posted at 5:36 am on Thu, May 13, 2010.

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    Sorry for the double post. it didn't look like LNS accepted the first post.

     
  • posted at 5:35 am on Thu, May 13, 2010.

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    " With all of these groups in Cities across California "Boycotting or urging others to Boycott Arizona because that State "Deiced to enforce America's EXISTING Immigration laws, I see no reason why others that Support Arizona's Illegal Immigration position should NOT BOYCOTT HISPANIC BUSINESSES EVERYWHERE.Jusy seems like the right thing to do. Anyone who chooses to call me a Racist, thus calls every group and individual professing to Boycott Arizona to also be Racist! Thosands of Hispanics are calling to boycott Arizona. So please, all you Democrats, who is being Racist? Me ot the hundreds of thousands of hispanics who are angry because those who are illegal risk being forced to "Go Back Home"?

     
  • posted at 5:34 am on Thu, May 13, 2010.

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    With all of these groups in Cities across California "Boycotting or urging others to Boycott Arizona because that State "Deiced to enforce America's EXISTING Immigration laws, I see no reason why others that Support Arizona's Illegal Immigration position should NOT BOYCOTT HISPANIC BUSINESSES EVERYWHERE.Jusy seems like the right thing to do. Anyone who chooses to call me a Racist, thus calls every group and individual professing to Boycott Arizona to also be Racist! Thosands of Hispanics are calling to boycott Arizona. So please, all you Democrats, who is being Racist? Me ot the hundreds of thousands of hispanics who are angry because those who are illegal risk being forced to "Go Back Home"?

     
  • posted at 5:30 am on Thu, May 13, 2010.

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    Well edu, it just goes to show trash and slugs come in all colors…As for Wallies World, it’s a mess because Management must no give a damn.we have 2 super Wallie’s and they are as clean as Raleys..Now someclown will come along and say no way that Nampa /Boise area is aslum and ghetto.. Like Gray Cloud I have 5 of those hundreds to sayyour full of S???….

     
  • posted at 5:26 am on Thu, May 13, 2010.

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    notstuckinlodi wrote on May 12, 2010 1:57 PM:" Ok so we are just supposed to continue to drian our resources to support these illegals because you dont want to hurt peoples feelings. that what this all boils down to. I dont know about arizona but the est. here in california are over 2.2 million people are here ILLEGALLY the same data show that you only have 283,000 in Arizona. all of those people no matter what state your in DO NOT pay state or federal taxes. how many officers or firefighters, or teachers would we be able to keep on the job if the 2 million here in california payed taxes like the rest of us. How many hospitals would we be able to keep open if that 2 million people had health covereage offered by their employers. I have NO symphathy for people who are here ILLEGALLY, and if you are a LEGAL immigrant I would think that you would be proud to produce Identification if asked."Great post again, but the Democrat Readers will not read your post, we both know.

     
  • posted at 5:25 am on Thu, May 13, 2010.

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    notstuckinlodi wrote on May 12, 2010 8:54 AM:" I dont understand what part the people protesting Arizona do not understand. There's a reason they are called ILLEGAL immigrants. they are here ILLEGALLY. everyday they are here they are breaking our laws. they drive with no drivers license, no insurance, they work ILLEGALLY, they send all the money the make ILLEGALLY back to Mexico or other countries so other family members can immigrate here ILLEGALLY and repeat everything i said over and over and over. they are draining our resources, taking our jobs, (and i will tell you i have done work that you will say only they will do. I have worked in packing sheds and farm labor where i was the only person who spoke english.) Im not by any means racist. i have in my lifetime had friends of all nationalities. i just believe that if you want a better life for your family you do it the LEGAL way and you get a green card and you learn english and you support yourself and your family with a JOB not handouts."Great Post!"

     
  • posted at 4:19 am on Thu, May 13, 2010.

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    Max Stanfiel- Did they take these photos at the Lodi Walmart? I think I saw a city councilmember or two?That will be MUCH worse when the Super Walmart arrives!You want some amusement? Try this one.http://www.hotghettomess.com/ We got to do better!

     
  • posted at 2:24 am on Thu, May 13, 2010.

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    Not a Nazi, eh? Sure, Joe, that's what they all say!Just kidding. You make some very good points here.

     
  • posted at 3:11 pm on Wed, May 12, 2010.

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    Attn: All bloggers...if you need a break from all this heavy reading, go tohttp://www.peopleofwalmart.com/and click on "photos", a vast trove of light entertainment awaits you.

     
  • posted at 11:15 am on Wed, May 12, 2010.

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    Ivan Dixon. You said "conclusively" proved that i am Kinderman. I am staring at a $ 100. bill that says you are a bold faced LIAR !

     
  • posted at 9:21 am on Wed, May 12, 2010.

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    I've never paid a dime to the IRS or CA Franchise Tax Board. Sure it comes out of my paychecks, but I've never sent them any money myself. If they aren't paying taxes it's because the folk who employ illegal immigrants aren't performing their civic responsibilities. So if taxes are the issue, go after the people who are supposed to be paying these taxes. How many officers or firefighters or teachers would be able to keep their job if the employers of 2 million people here in California paid taxes like the rest of us?

     
  • posted at 8:57 am on Wed, May 12, 2010.

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    Ok so we are just supposed to continue to drian our resources to support these illegals because you dont want to hurt peoples feelings. that what this all boils down to. I dont know about arizona but the est. here in california are over 2.2 million people are here ILLEGALLY the same data show that you only have 283,000 in Arizona. all of those people no matter what state your in DO NOT pay state or federal taxes. how many officers or firefighters, or teachers would we be able to keep on the job if the 2 million here in california payed taxes like the rest of us. How many hospitals would we be able to keep open if that 2 million people had health covereage offered by their employers. I have NO symphathy for people who are here ILLEGALLY, and if you are a LEGAL immigrant I would think that you would be proud to produce Identification if asked

     
  • posted at 8:37 am on Wed, May 12, 2010.

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    First of all I never said all of them were ILLEGAL. I have a problem with people marching for RIGHTS in this country but waving another countries flag, and like i stated before ILLEGAL immigrants come in all colors. not all of the immigrants here ILLEGALLY are Mexican!!!

     
  • posted at 7:23 am on Wed, May 12, 2010.

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    Well, notstuck, if you want to talk ignornance, your assumption that everyone in the photos you see waving Mexican flags is illegal, which leads me back to my poin--that those who are here legally are going to be treated differently because of their skin and people like you who make assumptions about them.

     
  • posted at 6:39 am on Wed, May 12, 2010.

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    "If I as an american citizen ILLEGALLY immigrated to another country (ANY COUNTRY)do you really think im going to get all the perks that they get here..." By her own admission, Sarah Palin went to Canada for healthcare all the time. So yes.Of course, if you're dumb enough to illegally immigrate top a crappy country like Iran or North Korea that already abuses their citizens, you deserve what you get. Are you saying you want the USA to be more like Iran or North Korea or... what's that famous historical country that always asks about walking around with papers? Somewhere in Central Europe during the 1930s and 40s?

     
  • posted at 6:36 am on Wed, May 12, 2010.

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    Just a side note but if i ever decide to visit Mexico, I DEFINATELY will not be displaying my pride in America. as I do not want to become a TARGET for the gangs and drug cartels.....

     
  • posted at 6:33 am on Wed, May 12, 2010.

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    Do you really believe the officers that will be upholding this new law will really just go on witch hunts. I don't for one minute believe that. the majority will not racially profile. yes there are always a few bad apples in the bunch but there will not be public round-ups and raids. and im sorry but your comments about showing american pride in other countries is ignorant. those people are very likely in that particular country LEGALLY!!!!! they are not breaking laws abroad and flaunting it in everyones faces. besides if your in this country ILLEGALLY i personally think you need to be worried about deportation.

     
  • posted at 6:01 am on Wed, May 12, 2010.

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    So just how do you think racial profiling will not be "tolerated"? What plan is going to prevent it? I see no trouble with people showing national pride in other nations. Americans abroad are known for doing this, and most travellers do it. I have even seen Canadians handing out maple leaf stickers to any and all in Europe. It's not an offense to have pride in one's country.And as a few points of clarification: I am a white American; I have lived and worked illegally in another country; I live in Phoenix; and to reiterate, I understand illegal immigration is a problem, but I don't think this law is the answer. Tighten the borders? Great! Wreak havoc on the large part of the population that isn't white? Not so great.

     
  • posted at 5:47 am on Wed, May 12, 2010.

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    If I as an american citizen ILLEGALLY immigrated to another country (ANY COUNTRY)do you really think im going to get all the perks that they get here... NO im going to be detained and sent back to America. that is if im lucky! more than likely i will be sent to jail and sentanced to hard labor. look at the sister of Lisa Ling who was imprisioned in Iran. if im a nobody do you really think President clinton is going to come negotiate my realease. i think not. they come here because they know that we are not going to do anything about it.

     
  • posted at 5:42 am on Wed, May 12, 2010.

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    To iambic grape stomp the Gov. has already said that racial profiling will not be tolerated. people who are up in arms about this law have not stopped to find out all the facts. This law MIRRORS federal legislation that is already in place just not being ENFORCED. if your ILLEGAL and your walking to the store minding your own business, breaking no laws, you will be fine. its when you run a red light,or kill or rape(these are just a few things)and you have no LEGAL documention to PROVE that your an AMERICAN citizen will you be detained and returned to the country of you origin. how is this going to be racial profiling. ILLEGAL immigrants come in all colors, INCLUDING white. IM sorry if this is not politically correct but I for one am tired of these ILLEGAL immigrants marching against the laws of this country, not waving the American flag but the Mexican flag. If your so proud of you country that you have to flaunt the flag of another country in the country that you are in ILLEGALLY GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM...

     
  • posted at 4:26 am on Wed, May 12, 2010.

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    notstuck: Many who protest this law agree, as I do, that illegal immigration is a huge issue that needs to be dealt with, but that this way of doing it--via racial profiling--is dangerous. To have law enforcement acting on race-based decisions has never worked out for the better.

     
  • posted at 3:54 am on Wed, May 12, 2010.

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    I dont understand what part the people protesting Arizona do not understand. There's a reason they are called ILLEGAL immigrants. they are here ILLEGALLY. everyday they are here they are breaking our laws. they drive with no drivers license, no insurance, they work ILLEGALLY, they send all the money the make ILLEGALLY back to Mexico or other countries so other family members can immigrate here ILLEGALLY and repeat everything i said over and over and over. they are draining our resources, taking our jobs, (and i will tell you i have done work that you will say only they will do. I have worked in packing sheds and farm labor where i was the only person who spoke english.) Im not by any means racist. i have in my lifetime had friends of all nationalities. i just believe that if you want a better life for your family you do it the LEGAL way and you get a green card and you learn english and you support yourself and your family with a JOB not handouts.

     
  • posted at 2:47 am on Wed, May 12, 2010.

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    No, Joe G., you're not exactly goose-stepping around the living room, but you are supporting racial profiling.

     
  • posted at 7:19 pm on Tue, May 11, 2010.

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    I support Arizona's efforts to enforce our current immigration laws. Securing our US borders is critical to our safety and security. The cost of supporting illegal immigrants in the US is overburdening our over taxed citizens. Our country is currently in finacial crisis with trillions of dollars in deficit. We can no longer afford to ignore this problem. Kudos to Arizona who is addressing this serious problem that the federal government fails to acknowledge.

     
  • posted at 3:44 pm on Tue, May 11, 2010.

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    This whole nonsense is based on the myth being perpetuated by colleges, the media and even the president that the SW was "stolen" by the white man. If that's true, it good it was, or the whole territory would like like Mexico today. I don't see too many of these "La Raza" types willing to return to what they escaped from.

     
  • posted at 12:50 pm on Tue, May 11, 2010.

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    Ah Billy boy don’t believe that little story, well it’s true, I lived it and loved It and that is why you would never survive working construction.. I could see you getting into your car to go home and finding your steering wheelcovered with grease.. Your lunch box nailed to a pallet. All new grunts go thru it, roll with it, it goes away, fight it you wont last. One last little tid-bit,your working in waist deep snow and someone hides one of your snowshoes…. And that good for a laugh all around….. And yes we got ourwork done and then some.. You see bill. Lodi or galt I loved my job all 33years of it….

     
  • posted at 9:32 am on Tue, May 11, 2010.

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    Nice story gator. Eh yea. Someone needs a hobby.

     
  • posted at 7:43 am on Tue, May 11, 2010.

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    leonard- You can tell your Granola eating Birkenstock wearing lib friends that those morsels are racist even thought they are organic and diverse. You see my dog is racist against cats.

     
  • posted at 7:41 am on Tue, May 11, 2010.

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    My first Foreman at PG&E was a Yurok Indian from the Hoopa Valley justoutside of Willow Creek Ca. His favorite saying to me was “Just remember white eye, Custer died for your sins” then he would laugh long and hard. Hehad a beautiful home made Deer horn handled knife with a long blade andhe would say nice hair and laugh again.. We became best of Friends. As sidenote some of the guys would tease him unmercifully about being Mexicanand Not Indian.. He would grin and say the Indian was the Father of all humanity…I asked him if it ever bothered him and he said hell no I’ve been called worse…It isn’t a perfect world out there put the damn race cardaway.. It ain’t perfect and it never will be..Suck it up. The only easy day was yesterday!!!

     
  • posted at 5:08 am on Tue, May 11, 2010.

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    edumacation wrote on May 11, 2010 7:41 AM: My dog poops diverse organic morsels. I find your use of the word "morsel" in this context revealing but not surprising.:)

     
  • posted at 3:52 am on Tue, May 11, 2010.

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    Ivan Dixon wrote on May 10, 2010 11:45 PM:" Leonard, it was conclusively shown some time ago that Grey Cloud is just a moniker Kimono uses when he wants openly flaunt the forum rules, particularly those against personal attacks.Don't feed the troll! "-Chuckle,This "so called" useful tool Ivan and his ilk use to discredit someone isso lame and reveals how they handle things when they are losing an argument.

     
  • posted at 3:39 am on Tue, May 11, 2010.

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    TJ, the preamble to the constitution would disagree with you on the purpose of government."We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."as would Thomas Jefferson"The care of human life and happiness and not their destruction is the first and only legitimate object of good government." --Thomas Jefferson to Maryland Republicans, 1809. ME 16:359Now, I have to ask you, how is a state trying to supercede the authority of the federal government and engage in international affairs specifically prohibited them in the US Constitution not a crime? How is asking to show proof of citizenship based on appearance or language not an act of big government gone too far? If they are illegal when they get arrested it will come to light and the federal government will do it's job.

     
  • posted at 3:03 am on Tue, May 11, 2010.

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    T & C- Ask any of them...and they will brag how only "they" can get things fixed (zoning, permits, taxes, environmental pollution, law enforcement). It sounds like Mexico, where the law is based on "how much" in bribes and "who" will pay.

     
  • posted at 2:59 am on Tue, May 11, 2010.

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    T & C PreSSure$on does have a good point about the GOB. They really do exist, I know some of them who brag about their hegemony. A few have started grooming their kids to take the baton as the older generation starts to die off. They see it as a "war". They have nothing to offer to extract money from others than through their connections with each other. This is not unusual for a small town. But these people actually think they are intrinsically better because of their connections. It reminds me of a gentlemans mafia. They don't use guns, but instead use their influence to get what they need. They will die off and the "kingdom" they think they own will forget all about them.

     
  • posted at 2:48 am on Tue, May 11, 2010.

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    preureon wrote on May 10, 2010 9:56 PM:" While you're all so concerned about those "illegals" south of the border coming to take your jobs and your firearms, the muslims are slowly taking command."preureon... you sound alittle RACIST towards Muslims this morning! Run out of things to accuse (GOBS) of I see!

     
  • posted at 2:41 am on Tue, May 11, 2010.

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    t jefferson. Libtards are always trying to pretend that they are objective or scientific to mask their biases to always be in control by redefining issues to give them power.Here are a few more words they co-opted from science: "Diversity"...yes, that has been a word used to describe issues within organic evolution. The advantages of diversity within the study of evolution are NOT THE SAME as the use of the same word by moron libtards. "organic" is a favorite---Libtards use this word anytime they want to promote something that is pro-socialist. My dog poops diverse organic morsels. Ahh diversity, organic and race....all perfectly good words redefined for the communist libtards.

     
  • posted at 1:47 am on Tue, May 11, 2010.

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    t jefferson wrote on May 11, 2010 6:30 AM:" Well L - Since I do have a science background - I would opt for the biological definition and not he more current sociio-political definition. Well, TJ, that certainly is your right but using a definition that is at odds with the one the rest of us use is probably not going to help the discussion.

     
  • posted at 1:30 am on Tue, May 11, 2010.

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    Well L - Since I do have a science background - I would opt for the biological definition and not he more current sociio-political definition. Why do the dems who are supposed to be big supporters of science...always opt for the latter definition? and then try to put people in boxes?

     
  • posted at 12:46 am on Tue, May 11, 2010.

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    t jefferson wrote on May 10, 2010 8:57 PM: Racism per say doesn't exist because we all are the same race.Websters defines race as follows:Main Entry: raceFunction: nounEtymology: Middle French, generation, from Old Italian razzaDate: 15801 : a breeding stock of animals2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristicsYour problem is that you are using entry one while the term "racism" generally refers to entry two.

     
  • posted at 12:34 am on Tue, May 11, 2010.

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    So shotgunlo, would you consider the invasion by 12-20 million foreign nationals illegally into this country a foreign or domestic enemy? How about all the drugs coming across the border.People like you who don't even understand the documents they swear to uphold are why this country is in the toilet. Heck I don't blame you though, our elected official don't understand the Constitution either.I for one have read them and the purpose of the government is to secure the security of the state. Is an open boarder that allows unfettered immigration secure. How about asking someone if they are in the country legally when they are suspected of another crime...is that a violation of the 4th amendment - hardly. Before you open your mouth you really may want to engage your brain and understand what you are posting about. We get enough emotional knee jerk reaction from the politicians already.

     
  • posted at 7:28 pm on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    I don't know who you think you swore allegiance to, t jefferson, but oaths of enlistment that I used are as follows http://www.history.army.mil/faq/oaths.htm All enemies. Foreign and domestic. You may have not seen the Bill of Rights as evidenced by the fact that you certainly do not agree with them. Believe me, it is tough defending your freedoms when idiots like you wish to reject them for fascism.

     
  • posted at 6:45 pm on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    Leonard, it was conclusively shown some time ago that Grey Cloud is just a moniker Kimono uses when he wants openly flaunt the forum rules, particularly those against personal attacks.Don't feed the troll!

     
  • posted at 4:56 pm on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    While you're all so concerned about those "illegals" south of the border coming to take your jobs and your firearms, the muslims are slowly taking command. Doesn't that bother you or are you so affixed with those Mexicans coming to take your jobs and money that many of you are blinded by your own hatred and racism? Livable, lovable Lodi and Nampa! Viva mastergator!

     
  • posted at 4:27 pm on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    gray cloud wrote on May 10, 2010 8:43 PM:" Leonard. Thank you. You have verified that you are the little weasel that tripped girls going past your desk in elementary school and stole our lunch money from our jackets during recess. You are human cowardice personified. I will miss you, but will think of you when I land and go thru Austin. "Chuckle....GC, I encourage you to employ all the charm and wit you have shown here during your time in Texas although I might suggest that, if you do, you start saving for a set of dentures now.

     
  • posted at 3:57 pm on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    L - Colorism or physicallism would be a more apt name for dislike someone because of their innate characteristics. Racism per say doesn't exist because we all are the same race. Counting people by the color of their skin is mainly a democratic/progressive thing. They want to have all the demographic info so they can gerrymander districts, look for fictitious "gaps" and generally create discontent amongst different groups all while saying "I am the great uniter" Couldn't be further from the truth, but for the most part people are idiots and will listen to what ever politicians tell them. So in the end who cares, the game has run it's course - freedom, liberty and individualism have lost....get ready for the rise of the STATE courtesy of the government near you. Thanks to FDR I weep for my children's future...

     
  • posted at 3:43 pm on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    Leonard. Thank you. You have verified that you are the little weasel that tripped girls going past your desk in elementary school and stole our lunch money from our jackets during recess. You are human cowardice personified. I will miss you, but will think of you when I land and go thru Austin.

     
  • posted at 3:38 pm on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    gray cloud wrote on May 10, 2010 6:29 PM:" Leonard: So you will NOT meet me in Austin ? You are a pitiful little wormy weasel.Charming as you may be, I am trying to imagine why I would possibly want to meet you.The way I figure it, either you are Jerry Kimono, in which case you have no intention of being in Austin or you are you, in which case, I have no desire to meet you.So, in short, no.

     
  • posted at 3:30 pm on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    T & C Isn't it interesting that even though Lodi is bloated with our share of illegal and criminal squatter-aliens, it gets worse as you travel South...until You arrive in San Diego.Even though they are as thick as locust as soon as you get near the Lindbergh field airport...they disappear. You won't see them gang banging or showing hand signals--- FOR A REASON. The police and TSA are on the look out for TERRORISTS---and so you MUST SHOW YOUR ID to get into the airport.Ahh Isn't that racism? Yo will not see one of them waddling along spray painting. I guess it WORKS. So lets have ID checks on all on and off ramps and at major highways. That should thin them out. Here in Lodi, we can load them on freight cars and send them south to Arizona for closer inspection.Do like the airlines--load em up and NEVER stop until you get to Arizona and Sheriff Arpaio can get what he needs to enforce the laws. Put em in pink jammies in desert tents.

     
  • posted at 2:58 pm on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    ru4real wrote on May 10, 2010 6:11 PM:"Will a few mistakes be made? Most certainly, but there are mistakes made every day in all aspects of law enforcement. It is not, nor will it ever be, a perfect system. It is, however, better than any other in the world. The law abiding need fear nothing."It is normal for everyone under almost Every circumstance to carry I-D. In a pocket, wallet, purse. Are you telling me that if any of us Americans were in Mexico, we would wander all over that country with no "Papers" to show the (Honest) police, we were there legally?You better believe it, because get caught without the right papers in Mexico lands you IN JAIL!The same thing should happen in America.

     
  • posted at 1:29 pm on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    Leonard: So you will NOT meet me in Austin ? You are a pitiful little wormy weasel.

     
  • posted at 1:15 pm on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    Gator wrote on May 10, 2010 6:09 PM:If we would just fine the employers say 15,000 a day per Illegal andShut their operation down till they paid. The need for workers from south of the boarderwould dry up..Great post Gator. This is literally the ONLY SOLUTION. Saddly, neither party has the will power. The Republicans did nothing when they were in power, the Democrats will do nothing now that they are in power AND, when the Republicans get back in power, they will... SURPRISE... do nothing again.

     
  • posted at 1:11 pm on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    OK... they were called "illegal immigrants" BEFORE Arizona passed their controversial new law. So, what are they now? Has something changed their status from illegal to legal? No, nothing has changed, except that more law enforcement agencies are now capable of taking action on laws that already exist. Everyone is worried about racial profiling being used to justify the questioning of suspected illegals. Funny, but you could have one group of illegal aliens in a city park having a picnic, and another group of illegals in the same park having a picnic selling drugs, and I'll bet the cops would have no problem telling the difference. This same problem is dealt with every day at airports by the TSA, and is based on detailed probability profiles in appearance, mannerisms, destinations, methods of payment, baggage, etc. The professionals know what to look for. Will a few mistakes be made? Most certainly, but there are mistakes made every day in all aspects of law enforcement. It is not, nor will it ever be, a perfect system. It is, however, better than any other in the world. The law abiding need fear nothing.

     
  • posted at 1:09 pm on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    (Cont.) The Japanese and Chinese don’t getalong.. And crossing the border into Iran got the three young people a nightmare forSome 9 months now. Locked up abroad Showed how an Indian reporter who was in Afghanistan crossed back into Pakistan and because his papers weren’t in order spent 18 months in A Pakistani prison.. Illegal is just what it says Illegal.. Sorry people we don’t Owe you squat.. If we would just fine the employers say 15,000 a day per Illegal andShut their operation down till they paid. The need for workers from south of the boarder would dry up.. America is a great place to live but we are a long way from being touchyfeely…

     
  • posted at 1:08 pm on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    Prejudice and Racism exist world wide and it’s not going away, period. It may be yourColor. The Hindu social Class or Caste. Discrimination has been illegal since 1947 butIt still goes on. Back when I was going to Kuwait to teach their Line crews how to HotWash 345 thousand volt lines I was told my crew would be Pakistani and PhilippineWorkers. I said why no Kuwaitis, they said if the Pakistanis or Filipino’s were hurt orkilled no one would care. Also hold your passport and plane tickets as they like tokeep equipment specialist around for a while,,

     
  • posted at 12:57 pm on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    t jefferson wrote on May 10, 2010 4:59 PM:" come on L...klansmen, aryans...what about Black panthers, La Raza, members of Rev. Wright's church. The nation of Islam...all of those are blatantly racist organization. But that's right if you are the right color you get to be racists. Big double standard if you ask me Give me a break TJ. You and I have talked about Senator Byrd at length so you KNOW that I condemn racists regardless of their party affiliation or political bent. In any case, it is clear that you too disagree with edumacation's premise that there is no such thing as racism.We agree again!

     
  • posted at 12:48 pm on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    Gator,Loved your post of May 9, 2010 @ 7:30 PM. GREAT analogy !!!

     
  • posted at 12:34 pm on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    t jefferson wrote on May 10, 2010 4:59 PM:" come on L...klansmen, aryans...what about Black panthers, La Raza, members of Rev. Wright's church. The nation of Islam...all of those are blatantly racist organization. But that's right if you are the right color you get to be racists. Big double standard if you ask me "For YEARS Obama was a follower of Rev. Wright! There's some food for thought.

     
  • posted at 12:33 pm on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    t jefferson wrote on May 10, 2010 4:59 PM:" come on L...klansmen, aryans...what about Black panthers, La Raza, members of Rev. Wright's church. The nation of Islam...all of those are blatantly racist organization. But that's right if you are the right color you get to be racists. Big double standard if you ask me."Score one for the "Good Guys! Great message shared by you today!"

     
  • posted at 11:59 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    come on L...klansmen, aryans...what about Black panthers, La Raza, members of Rev. Wright's church. The nation of Islam...all of those are blatantly racist organization. But that's right if you are the right color you get to be racists. Big double standard if you ask me

     
  • posted at 11:13 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    Jerry, you ever look in the mirror?

     
  • posted at 11:13 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    gray cloud wrote on May 10, 2010 3:15 PM:I have never met someone so full of hate, bile, cruelty and anger. Chuckle....

     
  • posted at 10:15 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    Leonard. I will be in Austin June 5-6 flying back here on the 7th. I would like to meet you. I have never met someone so full of hate, bile, cruelty and anger. It would help me understand that side of mankind. And sorry, while I do know who Kinderman is, I am not Kinderman. You definitely missed on that one.

     
  • posted at 9:34 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    gray cloud wrote on May 10, 2010 12:34 PM: Whats Kinderman have to do with me or the articleGive it a rest Jerry. You're not fooling anyone.

     
  • posted at 9:19 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    Ivan Dixon wrote on May 9, 2010 8:29 AM:"Mr T&C, if you walk like a duck and quack like a duck, nine times out of ten, you are a duck."By his own admission ("nine times out of ten"), Ivan admits that a percentage of the time, people are not always what they seem.

     
  • posted at 7:34 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    Leonard: I thought it was a well written article. What part of it did you not agree with ? Whats Kinderman have to do with me or the article? Drag?? What does drag have to do with anything? I know you are a long way away, but that shouldn't change your ability to reason.

     
  • posted at 7:33 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    rantraves wrote on May 10, 2010 8:30 AM:Yes, we need workers, but no one should have to break the law to find legitimate work. ...Yes, I know that American sovereignty does not fit into the leftist globalist."Very true words spoken by you but you will NEVER hear a Democrat agree with you!

     
  • posted at 5:46 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    Leonard 8:11 "...Just try telling that to a Klansman, member of the Aryan Brotherhood or some some other grassroots conservative organization. "What a loaded statement:First: The Klan and Aryan anything are ALSO ignorant because they hide their hate behind a definition that does NOT exist. There are very few of these morons, and they need to have Darwin take care of them as well. Second; Who ever said that these idiots were conservative? They don't claim that and can't spell the word.I can say the same thing: Leonard? When is the very last time you beat your wife? See! Its a nonsense collection of liberal talk.Anyone who bases their political opinions on fantasy, whether its the Easter Bunny, Tooth fairy or Race has not seriously considered what they are talking about. Raed the DOE Human Genome study conclusion. FACT: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS RACE IN MODERN HUMANS. Go find another reason to tell people what they can do or say.

     
  • posted at 4:02 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    Brian wrote "It figures Lodian wouldn't answer the question I posed to Ivan either. The only comment she had was it was a run-on sentence. Weak."Brian: You didn't ask the question of me. Besides, it looked like one of your flippant rhetorical questions.

     
  • posted at 3:31 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    Gray Cloud wrote on May 10, 2010 8:28 AM:" http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=151853 I see Jerry has returned, albeit in drag.

     
  • posted at 3:30 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    It isn't complicated... As the border is breached our sovereignty becomes compromised. Some people believe that "fairness" can only be achieved through an open border policy: the idea being that Americans consume an inordinate amount of resources; but through "openness" a "proper" balance becomes achievable -- as though our wealth has been acquired "unfairly". ...Will we be "transformed" into the United States of North America? Let's hope not; but that is the battle being waged and anyone who believes in American sovereignty -- as was crafted by our founders -- had better make themselves aware. Arizona, for one, is paying attention aren't they? And now the federal govt is feeling the heat as other states consider the adoption of similar legislation. It is unfortunate that we need to spend billions to secure our southern border; but until some genius comes up with a better idea then we had better keep going with the only plan that has shown any chance of success. ...Yes, we need workers, but no one should have to break the law to find legitimate work. ...Yes, I know that American sovereignty does not fit into the leftist globalist vision -- well that's too bad isn't it?

     
  • posted at 3:30 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    So the article implies (ONLY Illegals) are reliable Employees?Thats a bunch of Bull!

     
  • posted at 3:29 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    "To get the jobs done, many farmers hire foreign workers, including some who are illegal, and they say a crackdown on illegal immigration combined with changes to a visa program for temporary workers could make it even harder for them to find reliable employees."Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2010/05/10/2738877/farmers-immigration-reform-needed.html#ixzz0nXaTEMI3In order to make $$$$, farmers are willing to resort to violating the Laws of America, to fill their bank bag, rather then pay a fair wage to American workers! Sounds like greed on the part of the farmer.Obey the law farmers and hire Legal American Citizens.

     
  • posted at 3:28 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=151853

     
  • posted at 3:22 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    Brian wrote on May 10, 2010 7:48 AM:Two — Introduce legislation streamlining naturalization for the people who are already in the country. Give a deadline for everyone to register as a guest worker and give them a Social Security Card so they can start paying taxes.This is the PRAYER of millions of Illegals! Save us Obama. We don't want to stand in line, pay fees, learn about Americas laws, learn your language. We don't want to "Return home" and take a number in the immigration line, and we sure don't want to pay a silly fine. Just grant us total Amnesty or any other "Sugar coated term" that guarantees us that we can STAY and get that Social Security Card.Inspite of what Americans want Obama to do...(The right thing) and deport them and deny services to them..... Obama will grant them immediate path to citizenship, because the demos need the hispanic voting block to keep them in Office, bringing America to its knees!Vote EVERY Democrat OUT OF OFFICE come Election day!

     
  • posted at 3:13 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    LodiGirl wrote on May 9, 2010 9:38 PM:5) There needs to be reform but step 1 to show me you deserve my support is respect and that includes following laws even of you don't agree with them. And singling you out for breaking the law is not racism, you could be pink with purple polka-dots for all I care. If you want to ask for something come knock on the front door, don't sneak in the back and steal it and then expect me to be OK.I would like to think a great many others think just like you. Thank you for posting.

     
  • posted at 3:11 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    edumacation wrote on May 10, 2010 7:52 AM:Lets put this liberal political game about so-called "racism' in the tarsh heap. There are NO races in modern humans. The concept of race in humans is not measureable by any scientific means.Just try telling that to a Klansman, member of the Aryan Brotherhood or some some other grassroots conservative organization.

     
  • posted at 3:11 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    Gator wrote on May 9, 2010 7:30 PM:" Last one for tonight;Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist” I agree with you 100%!

     
  • posted at 3:10 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    Gator wrote on May 9, 2010 5:13 PM:" Speaking of Farm labor contractors and Farms.. A friend and I were flyingaround Isleton in his 182 and decided to buzz a friends Pear orchard. We made a couple of passes and flew back and landed. We had just finishedputting the plane in the hanger when said Farmer roared up mad as hell,he said you SOB’s it’s going to take me a week to get my pickers back,,I guess the Illegal’s thought we were the Boarder Patrol.. After he left we laughed our butt’s off and had a couple of beers.Great post of the day!You should do that more often all across California just for the giggles!

     
  • posted at 3:03 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    After all this; just think all or most of these illegal workers are using SS#'s of dead people , like employers will tell you all over this Country," We are bookkeepers not law enforcement, we collect and pay the payroll withholding to the Govt." But guess what , at the end of the year all of that withholding stays in place, the illegals mostly do not file tx. returns those funds stay in place. If there was not anything in it for the Fed. the problem would have been taken care of years ago.

     
  • posted at 2:52 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    The DOE SCIENTIFIC study on the Human Genome spent 3% of its money to learn if their were significant racial or ethnic differences in modern humans.Quote "...DNA studies do not indicate that separate classifiable subspecies (races) exist within modern humans. While different genes for physical traits such as skin and hair color can be identified between individuals, no consistent patterns of genes across the human genome exist to distinguish one race from another. There also is no genetic basis for divisions of human ethnicity.."Lets put this liberal political game about so-called "racism' in the tarsh heap. There are NO races in modern humans. The concept of race in humans is not measureable by any scientific means.The libs need to go out and find another way to feel guilty. Tell Tiger Woods he is anyone other than his accomplishments. What does his census survey say? The questions about race are political and an attempt to control and classify by those who want to be the taxonomists---liberals!

     
  • posted at 2:48 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/why-illegal-immigrants-come-to-america/Why Illegal Immigrants Come To AmericaI am sick and tired of this whole topic of illegal immigration. I am tired of hearing CNN and FoxNews’ half-researched, told-me-so arguments. The solution to this problem is simple. If you truly want America to get rid of illegal immigration, you have three simple steps.One — Send corporate America to rehab so they can get over the need for cheap labor. Not just from illegals, but also outsourcing to other countries. How? Simple. Make fines so steep that the cheap labor would never offset them.Two — Introduce legislation streamlining naturalization for the people who are already in the country. Give a deadline for everyone to register as a guest worker and give them a Social Security Card so they can start paying taxes.Three — Deny all government services to anyone who is not in the country legally. After a certain date, deportation would not be to the border or country of origin. I cannot resist introducing a little humor. We are nice people. Sun, sand, and a pair of sandals. Let’s send everyone that is here illegally to a nice place like Iran.

     
  • posted at 2:38 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    Joe wrote:As you know by now, SB 1070 requires no more than the federal statute already on the books that instructs lawful immigrants to carry a U.S. government-issued green card as proof of authorization to live and work in America.-But that doesn't keep shotgunlo from suggesting gulags are on the horizon here in AZ. Not to mention the fact thatallowing Illegals to stay here without much scrutiny is a form of reverse discrimination.

     
  • posted at 2:32 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    http://www.resistnet.com/forum/topics/metcalfe-has-just-announced-heMetcalfe has just announced he will introduce legislation similar to Arizona SB 1070 in Pennsylvania

     
  • posted at 2:24 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    Who is the HNIC?

     
  • posted at 1:10 am on Mon, May 10, 2010.

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    shotgunlo - how can you be so obtuse. Uphold the constitutional duties to defend this country does not make one a NAZI. I am sorry you think those in the military are all Nazi's, must be tough to enjoy all your freedoms, thinking that those that defend you are NAZI's.

     
  • posted at 6:58 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    I'd like to believe you're not a Nazi, Joe, but the facts speak for themselves. If you need to refresh your recollection, might I recommend the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum with a brief overview of Nazi legislation at http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005681 . Not every nazi was at the helm of a concentration camp gas chamber. Most were normal honest citizens who taught German, sat on cancer advisory boards, and assisted the elderly in skills to take part in modern life. To say you're not a Nazi, you need to say something about how you disagree with legislation designed to target people of a particular ethnic background. Mahony's charge clearly isn't baseless. I won't deny it is incendiary, but then, so is this law. You can hardly expect civility when you choose to act with brutality.

     
  • posted at 5:25 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Rasmussen:60% of voters approve of a law like Arizona's.

     
  • posted at 5:19 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    http://www.janbrewer.com/news-room/videosPresident Obama, No one in AZ is Laughing.

     
  • posted at 5:08 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    iambic grape stomp wrote on May 9, 2010 4:46 PM:" Why doesn't Sherriff Joe (ugh!) just pull one of his famous raids on companies that hire illegals? Aren't those who hire responsible? "-He does all the time. You wouldn't expect him to not enforce Federal laws would you? And I have yet to meet a Hispanic American citizen who doesn't think the Illegals should pack their bags and head back home.

     
  • posted at 5:01 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    It figures Lodian wouldn't answer the question I posed to Ivan either. The only comment she had was it was a run-on sentence. Weak.

     
  • posted at 4:38 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    1) hurtful,racial jokes are NEVER funny2) this issue shouldn't be focused on race, please note lots of other race/nationalities are in the country illegally.(even in AZ)3) IT IS AGAINST THE LAW IN AZ TO HIRE UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS, and those who are caught are fined and jailed and business licenses are pulled.4) This law could HELP(yes, really) people, because if one goes through life and follows the rules and accomplishes a goal there is pride for oneself.(much like a child who earns an "A" vs a child that cheats and is barely passing) This will also allow them to look for better employment and demand better wages instead of hiding in the shadows. 5) There needs to be reform but step 1 to show me you deserve my support is respect and that includes following laws even of you don't agree with them. And singling you out for breaking the law is not racism, you could be pink with purple polka-dots for all I care. If you want to ask for something come knock on the front door, don't sneak in the back and steal it and then expect me to be OK.

     
  • posted at 2:30 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Last one for tonight;Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”

     
  • posted at 2:06 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Leonard wrote "Jerry, that sound you here is your credibility's death rattle."Indeed. And now Jerome will pretend he's NOT reading these blogs so he doesn't have to respond to what Brian is spewing. It's to be expected of Jerome. And, Brian, is it the drinking that makes you think your words are not racist?

     
  • posted at 2:05 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    haha gator hits to core yet again.

     
  • posted at 1:57 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Brian wrote on May 9, 2010 9:29 AM:"Ivan, Are all the Hispanics, that are American citizens that I have spoken to who want to send the Illegals from Mexico packing, Racists too?"Another run-on.

     
  • posted at 1:10 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Gator wrote on May 9, 2010 5:00 PM:" Ok kiddies here is where it's at. Republicans want cheap labor.. Democratswant Victims. which means the problem will never be solved… And there is the truth!

     
  • posted at 1:09 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Gator wrote on May 9, 2010 5:19 PM:" Leonard, Brian’s Jokes! those were Jokes? Your kidding right? I really didn’t think Brian had much of a sense of humor.. "Brian thought they were funny, which, I suppose, proves your point.

     
  • posted at 12:19 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Leonard, Brian’s Jokes! those were Jokes? Your kidding right? I really didn’t think Brian had much of a sense of humor..

     
  • posted at 12:13 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Speaking of Farm labor contractors and Farms.. A friend and I were flyingaround Isleton in his 182 and decided to buzz a friends Pear orchard. We made a couple of passes and flew back and landed. We had just finishedputting the plane in the hanger when said Farmer roared up mad as hell,he said you SOB’s it’s going to take me a week to get my pickers back,,I guess the Illegal’s thought we were the Boarder Patrol.. After he left we laughed our butt’s off and had a couple of beers…

     
  • posted at 12:00 pm on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Ok kiddies here is where it's at. Republicans want cheap labor.. Democratswant Victims. which means the problem will never be solved…

     
  • posted at 11:51 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    t jefferson wrote on May 9, 2010 2:53 PM:" Thanks Ivan, I resent the your assertion that standing up and upholding the constitution makes someone a racist. Did you not say that you served in the Air Force and swore to uphold the constitution? Guess that was a meaningless oath on your part. Why do progressive always call people racists if they are doing something they don't agree with. The biggest bunch of racists in the country is the democratic party. They ONLY look at a persons race to make decisions. They have destroyed entire races as they tried to "help" in the last 40 years. Give me break.Thank you for saying what the Demo's don't want to admit!Vote EVERY Demo Out of Office come Election.

     
  • posted at 11:46 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Why doesn't Sherriff Joe (ugh!) just pull one of his famous raids on companies that hire illegals? Aren't those who hire responsible?

     
  • posted at 11:34 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Leonard wrote on May 9, 2010 4:19 PM:" Jerry, that sound you here is your credibility's death rattle. "-Leonard's projecting again.

     
  • posted at 11:29 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Leonard,You're such a drama queen.

     
  • posted at 11:19 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Jerry, that sound you here is your credibility's death rattle.

     
  • posted at 11:19 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Leonard wrote on May 9, 2010 4:00 PM:" I can't say that any of this really surprises me since Brian has repeatedly suggested that you and other conservative posters actually enjoy his jokes and share his sentiments. "-And had Obama been Italian or Polish I'm sure Leonard would be right there laughing at the jokes.

     
  • posted at 11:15 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    And I don't know of anyone that would condemn Leonard for repeating Italian or Polish jokes since it's not any different than what I do.

     
  • posted at 11:12 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    And Leonard can say he HAS NEVER repeated an Italian or Polish Joke.FYI Leonard,In reference to the bush statement:Are you saying the Black man should just overlook and forget about where he came from? Again, I figured a man of your intelligence would know the term "bush" is in reference to the geography they call "the bush" in Africawhere you still find the indigenous tribes forraging and hunting for food.It's kind of a "heritage" thing here Leonard. Don't let the facts get in your way.

     
  • posted at 11:00 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    I can't say that any of this really surprises me since Brian has repeatedly suggested that you and other conservative posters actually enjoy his jokes and share his sentiments.

     
  • posted at 10:53 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Jerry, while I obviously deplore your sentiments, I do congratulate you on your decision to finally drop your pretenses and admit your real feelings regarding these issues.

     
  • posted at 10:48 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    The Dreaded Rear Admiral wrote on May 9, 2010 3:27 PM:Telling racist jokes and making racist assertions are two different things. I don't qualify for the latter.Brian, much as you might want to, you cannot erase the past. Both your so called jokes and your disgusting assertions are clearly referenced below.

     
  • posted at 10:45 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Brian wrote on Feb 16, 2009 7:22 PM:The term "Ni#&er Rigged" is no longer acceptable. Effective immediately it will now be referred to as a "Presidential Solution"ANDBrian wrote on Jan 24, 2010 8:50 AM:-You can take a Black person out of the bush but you can't take the bush out of a Black person.AND THEN, with these posts in mind,Jerome R. Kinderman wrote on May 9, 2010 1:33 PM:Brian is no more a racist here than anyone elseWell Jerome, I am glad you finally put the question of what you do and do not consider to be racist to rest.Your apparent criteria for what is and is not racist certainly puts your posts in perspective.

     
  • posted at 10:42 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Op5or_vkccObama Is A Good House Negro-Chuckle, A Black preacher in Harlem said this.

     
  • posted at 10:29 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Leonard,Would your still jump fro joy if they asked you to press 1 for Chinese?

     
  • posted at 10:27 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Leonard wrote on May 9, 2010 11:20 AM:" Brian, immigration aside, everyone here agrees that you are a racist.Why don't you tell us some more of your famous "jokes"? Chuckle,Telling racist jokes and making racist assertions are two different things. I don't qualify for the latter.Do you not see the hypocracy in your position on illegals? The latest theory I have heard on the issue is if we allow the illegals to keep on coming in from Mexico it will eventually curtail much of the flow of Europeans and Asiansseeking citizenship here. I figured a man of your intelligence would see this. Evidently your ideology prevents this. Or does it allow you to see the element of reverse discrimination going on with your position.

     
  • posted at 9:53 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Thanks Ivan, I resent the your assertion that standing up and upholding the constitution makes someone a racist. Did you not say that you served in the Air Force and swore to uphold the constitution? Guess that was a meaningless oath on your part. Why do progressive always call people racists if they are doing something they don't agree with. The biggest bunch of racists in the country is the democratic party. They ONLY look at a persons race to make decisions. They have destroyed entire races as they tried to "help" in the last 40 years. Give me break.

     
  • posted at 9:04 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    T & C wrote on May 9, 2010 8:03 AM:"It should be made law, that Law enforcement can enter Employers premises and check to verify Employment status of All Farm growers and esp. Landscaping/Construction companies...(In General) businesses known to employ (Illegals) and the police know where.Even in Seattle years ago a mexican restraunt was completely shut down because 80% of their workforce (Over 15 were illegalls).There is NO Excuse to hire illegals other then Greediness to avoid fair wages and withold taxes. Refusal to Hire American citizen, hurts Social Security most of all. All American Seniors look to Social Security. "this is along the lines of what i was thinking, just wanted to verify that others thought this as well.

     
  • posted at 8:33 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    It takes someone with a very inflated ego who believes he can speak for "everyone here" on any matter. Based upon what the majority of what people write, I see no racism - just differing opinions about a very sensitive subject. To interject racism at nearly every turn for lack of an intelligent answer reflects poorly on those making such accusations. Brian is no more a racist here than anyone else; and to make such a claim is nothing more than race baiting. I would submit that such behavior could in and of itself be considered racist. But unlike others who also clearly don't know for certain, I wouldn't make such an irresponsible assertion.

     
  • posted at 6:20 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Brian, immigration aside, everyone here agrees that you are a racist.Why don't you tell us some more of your famous "jokes"?

     
  • posted at 5:35 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Here in Arizona there was a company that was raided for another reason and they uncovered 300 undocumented workers who were deported as illegals. 300 legal American citizens then filled those 300 jobs. 1/3 prisoners in the system are illegal latino immigrants. they dont all come here to work. Of the many misinformed who promote ignorance and the depreciation of our borders language and culture....Shame on you!

     
  • posted at 4:41 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    In Mexico if an illegal is caught its two years in prison ,if caught again it up ten years in prison. I'm not advocating this here. 'We are very tolerant of illegals here'is an understatement.

     
  • posted at 4:29 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Ivan,Are all the Hispanics, that are American citizens that I have spoken to who want to send the Illegals from Mexico packing,Racists too?

     
  • posted at 4:25 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Ivan Dixon wrote on May 9, 2010 8:28 AM:" Thank you for making this distinction Mr Guzzardi. -And thank you Ivan for eluding to the notion that if it were a bunch of Germans, Italians, Polish people, etc.here illegally you'd say throw the bums out.

     
  • posted at 3:32 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Good job Joe. I was the first poster at 5:30 saturday morn. Dont know why they deleted me. You were a wonderful teacher to peoples of all sizes, shapes, religions and colors. They loved you.

     
  • posted at 3:29 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Mr T&C, if you walk like a duck and quack like a duck, nine times out of ten, you are a duck.

     
  • posted at 3:28 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    Thank you for making this distinction Mr Guzzardi. In this age of charged discourse, it is important to remember that while all Nazis are racists, not all racists are Nazis.

     
  • posted at 3:17 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    sooziesdad wrote on May 8, 2010 9:59 PM:" No Joe, you aren't a Nazi. A racist, but not a Nazi. At least Colonel Klink Kinderman likes ya.Congratulations!You get the dumb post for the day!I love it how democrat liberals call out names like RACIST every time we in America don't welcome with OPEN ARMS millions of people who disregard the immigration process, disregard America's laws, Refuse to pay taxes, break our laws,(CRIMINAL), have baby after baby without paying for them, stealing our Social Security Numbers,LAUGH at us every day because instead of spending the money here, they wire it back to Mexico to pay the coyotes money to get more illegals into America.I would love to live in Canada, but I would never do so, illegally just because I can do it!It is useless to say, Obey our laws or go back home, because they refuse to go back home.My sympathy's to you sooziesdad.

     
  • posted at 3:09 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    I am ashamed of all the (Politicians) who for decades took (BILLIONS) of dollars out of the Social Security Fund, (Promising to restore those funds) when they and all the other politicians KNEW that money would not be restored.BUT MOST OF ALL, I am ashamed of President Obama because his #1 Objective, on behalf of America should have been to make Social Security Stable and mandate that no one would dip into the Social security fund for any reason.He has ignored "Watching over Americans retirement". Instead, just like the 1980's, (Pandering after the HISPANIC VOTES); he promises his so-called "Path to citizenship! What a joke. There will Be no mandatory... (Learn how to read, write, or speak English, nor pay any fees, nor learn our laws or assimilate into America."The lawful immigration process would have provided all of those areas!There will be NO returning to Mexico and stand in line with the rest of the world.There will be NO FINE PAID, because billions are being wired back to Mexico every year, and still MILLIONS more illegals come to America and hide.

     
  • posted at 3:03 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    richyorn wrote on May 8, 2010 7:26 PM:" question, does this bill give officers the right to search farms with "reasonable suspicion" that could possibly be employing illegal immigrants?If this approach is to work, shouldn't we focus on the dense groups as well as punishment for those that hire these individuals? As opposed to focusing on the possible scragglers by hoping for traffic stops.shouldn't the farm owners be held with equal responsibility in aiding?this is not meant to be sarcastic i know most of you will assume it is but it is not.It should be made law, that Law enforcement can enter Employers premises and check to verify Employment status of All Farm growers and esp. Landscaping/Construction companies...(In General) businesses known to employ (Illegals) and the police know where.Even in Seattle years ago a mexican restraunt was completely shut down because 80% of their workforce (Over 15 were illegalls).There is NO Excuse to hire illegals other then Greediness to avoid fair wages and withold taxes. Refusal to Hire American citizen, hurts Social Security most of all. All American Seniors look to Social Security.

     
  • posted at 2:56 am on Sun, May 9, 2010.

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    At the very (HEART) of the (Illegal Immigration) crisis has been a (TOTAL LACK) of visible (UPROAR) from the Main core of Legal hispanic citizens.A large majority of Illegals (HAVE Relatives) in America who actively succeed in helping to (PAY Coyotes) to help their relatives enter, (And remain) in America....all the while knowing that Obama will grant Total Amnesty). While it is commendable for those who would like their Relatives in Mexico to live in America, it disrespects (EVERY SINGLE HISPANIC citizen) who played by the rules and (Fought for his or her Citizenship) to proudly be called an American citizen.It is cowardly to have Hispanic citizens in Mexico, violate America's path to citizenship (Apply for immigration)... like the rest of the world, and wait in line, and HIDE Among us, refusing to even learn how to read, write or speak ENGLISH!I am ashamed of corporations even in Lodi who advertise their products on billboards in SPANISH. They know all too well, that those who are illegal very likely cannot read English and they chase those $$$$$!It is sad that American-Hispanics hide Illegals in America.

     
  • posted at 4:59 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    No Joe, you aren't a Nazi. A racist, but not a Nazi. At least Colonel Klink Kinderman likes ya.

     
  • posted at 3:48 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    t jefferson wrote on May 8, 2010 7:54 PM:" L I think we should give back everything south of the grapvine, including LA and San Diego. Heck is majority illegal immigrants now. Just cut the water from the north off and that place goes back to desert. We agree again!

     
  • posted at 3:43 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    I have also been to mexico as a tourist and the poor treatment we received means not a single penny of my money will be spent there for tourist reasons. I honestly feel for the people of other countries (yes not just mexicans are undocumented in AZ) who are looking for a better life, but please stand in the line and follow the laws. What this shows is that you RESPECT the USA, and find that the life you dream of is worthy of all the extra steps. If it's not then I'm sorry but you gotta go, my husband and brother put their lives on the line for this country and each person that disreguards our laws is spitting in their faces and I won't put up with that. BTW go TX and PA for following AZ's lead, my brother lives in Dallas and loved visiting me in AZ.

     
  • posted at 3:24 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    Joe: Often we don't agree but today we do. I lived in AZ for 7 years (almost 8) and graduated from ASU. After dealing with the issue on a day to day basis and i am greatly hurt by those that are calling my friends and family nazis and racists. I know many law enforcement officers in AZ, baisically what this law is going to mean to them is an extra step when pulling people over by verifying citsenship( like a pervious poster pointed out AZ does not issue drivers licenses to the undocumented) OR verifying citizenship when booking someone on a crime. This will also provide more consequnces when someone is found "borrowing" a SSN to work. I am not racist, I am not violent but I WILL NOT remain silent. This is MY country and I WILL protect it for my daughter.

     
  • posted at 2:54 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    L I think we should give back everything south of the grapvine, including LA and San Diego. Heck is majority illegal immigrants now. Just cut the water from the north off and that place goes back to desert.

     
  • posted at 2:26 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    question, does this bill give officers the right to search farms with "reasonable suspicion" that could possibly be employing illegal immigrants?If this approach is to work, shouldn't we focus on the dense groups as well as punishment for those that hire these individuals? As opposed to focusing on the possible scragglers by hoping for traffic stops.shouldn't the farm owners be held with equal responsibility in aiding?this is not meant to be sarcastic i know most of you will assume it is but it is not.

     
  • posted at 1:57 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    Send them home for free with a warning the first time. Shoot them if they try it again. The rest should get the message in short order.

     
  • posted at 1:44 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    http://www.dailyrecord.com/article/20100506/OPINION02/100504057/Most-Americans-support-Arizona-immigration-lawMost Americans support Arizona immigration lawTo the Editor:As an American, I am greatly offended by the congregation of illegal immigrants who formed on the Morristown Green to protest America's laws. As an American of Mexican descent, I am even more offended by the statements that America should have no border and that illegal immigrants should be allowed to come into this country without any controls. As a sixth generation American, I understand more than anyone the greatness that is America. I also understand why so many from around the world would want to come here. But I also believe that a country without laws is a country soon to fade away. Illegals have come here without proper documentation, a violation of our laws.

     
  • posted at 1:19 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    Brian wrote on May 8, 2010 4:45 PM: But Leonard DOES make me think twice about visiting Texas. They wouldn't let you over the border. You'd have to hire some coyote in Las Cruces to smuggle you in.

     
  • posted at 12:41 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    Cogito wrote on May 8, 2010 1:57 PM:" Also Yeye, it costs me just as much to vacation in Mexico every year as it costs me to go to Hawaii. I think Mexico would suffer big time if Gringo's quit vacationing there. They really need the money."How about this:All gringo's please go to Hawaii instead of Mexico for the next 5 years. See what the Mexican economy looks like then!

     
  • posted at 12:39 pm on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    yeye2010 wrote on May 8, 2010 1:16 PM:" Dear Gringos,I would like to express what I feel about your opinion about illegals. It is terrible how the white people think about Mexicans and all illegal Latin o immigrants. When you come to Mexico for vacation, you are very welcome to any touristic place and you can enjoy a paradise with little money. The house you have right now built by an illegal immigrant, the food you have in your table is from illegals; you can buy everything cheaper because illegals can survive with minimum wages. Mexicans spend a lot of money without conscience and making a lot of companies wealthy. Your racism will be your downfall. "Your post made me laugh!The reason we are welcome in Mexico is because "We bring our own money, don't steal from others, and have passports! Illegals do not bring their own money, do not have passports and all too often take that which does not belong to them or sponges off the system having babies without paying for the medical costs.

     
  • posted at 11:46 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    The houses they built??? You mean the ones that we are spending BILLIONS of gringo dollars on to fix. Because of their sloppy workmanship, cheating, incompetence and bad construction practices??? The ones built by non-contractors or the ones built by the Home Depot and Lowes crowds? The food they pick?? Some of it...but they get a pretty good wage to pick it. When you add in all of the gringo freebees they are getting paid around $14.00 per hour, more than some straight pay gringoe. Add it up yeye!!

     
  • posted at 11:45 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    http://blogs.bet.com/news/newsyoushouldknow/hundreds-protest-lynching-in-texas/Hundreds protest “lynching” in Texas. Protesters upset about the dragging death of another Black in east Texas rallied outside the Lamar County courthouse Monday to take a stand on a ruling they considered unjust.-Yes we all know too well about those activites in Texas. Being a White man I may not have to worry too much. But Leonard DOES make me think twice about visiting Texas.

     
  • posted at 11:24 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    Now I have to give credit to Texas where it's due. Having lived in Houston for nearly five years in the mid-70s, Austin is clearly the most pleasant of all Texas cities within which to live or visit. The "Hill Country" as it is referred to offers a distinct contrast over the rest of the state that is typically flat and geographically unfriendly.Texans on the other hand, are generally ego-inflated bloviators, the majority of which run around in pick-'em-up trucks with really big hats, pointy boots and Levi's with that distinct round Skoal shape on one or both rear pockets pretending to be cowboys; Houston is infested with them. But to fear their itchy trigger fingers for making such an observation - nah! They're nothing to be anxious about. Now the women; oh yeah, I'd watch out for them!

     
  • posted at 10:55 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    Have you ever been to Austin or even Texas?

     
  • posted at 10:55 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    Brian wrote on May 8, 2010 3:12 PM:" Obviously Leonard has never visited the Phoenix Metro area and all it has to offer. It isn't much different than Austin where he lives. .Its lucky you addressed this statement to me and not a native Texan. They tend to have itchy trigger fingers and have been known to lynch men for lesser offenses.I will do my best to conceal your blasphemy from them.I cannot imagine two more dissimilar places.

     
  • posted at 10:12 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    Obviously Leonard has never visited the Phoenix Metro area and all it has to offer. It isn't much different than Austin where he lives.

     
  • posted at 10:10 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    If Mexico is so appreciative of us Americans vacationing and spendiong our money there why are we subject to such close scrutiny and have to bribe law enforcement officials to leave us aloneand bribe the doctors to treat us in case of an emergency?

     
  • posted at 10:06 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    I've never understood why the US doesn't just give Arizona south of Flagstaff back to Mexico.I mean, the place is kind of a dump.Maybe it has something to do with water rights?

     
  • posted at 9:02 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    yeye2010 - thanks for the laughs!You illegals should understand that no one ever said you weren't welcome here to visit or even to become a citizen. By circumventing the process that so many others have done legally, it is you who have (hopefully) forever alienated yourselves from the United States.As for all that we've received by your illegal presence, I can only state "hogwash!" Now, move south back to your own nation and get into the legal line; only then will we respect you and what you might offer as new citizens.But if you still think we're being too hard on you, you might just want to review how Mexico treats those who are caught crossing its southern border illegally. In that one instance, I think our federal government might learn something about protecting its citizens.As far as being "racist" because we believe in the rule of law, that position has never made sense. To those to whom it does, then I would submit that they support lawlessness (chaos) over civil responsibility. To allow that to occur unabated will result in the destruction of our nation. And we can't have that.

     
  • posted at 8:57 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    Also Yeye, it costs me just as much to vacation in Mexico every year as it costs me to go to Hawaii. I think Mexico would suffer big time if Gringo's quit vacationing there. They really need the money.

     
  • posted at 8:55 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    Yeye, what part about not wanting foreigners to break our laws, come here illegally, and glom off our tax dollars makes me a racist? I'm all for a guest worker program. Protecting our borders will make us stronger, not cause our downfall. We need to keep tabs on who's here. They can keep their gang and drug violence in Mexico. We already have enough of our own to deal with without importing more.

     
  • posted at 8:16 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    Dear Gringos,I would like to express what I feel about your opinion about illegals. It is terrible how the white people think about Mexicans and all illegal Latin o immigrants. When you come to Mexico for vacation, you are very welcome to any touristic place and you can enjoy a paradise with little money. The house you have right now built by an illegal immigrant, the food you have in your table is from illegals; you can buy everything cheaper because illegals can survive with minimum wages. Mexicans spend a lot of money without conscience and making a lot of companies wealthy. Your racism will be your downfall.

     
  • posted at 5:58 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    T&C wrote:But Americans in Mexico are NOT Whining! -Indeed,And Mexico sure isn't whining about all the money Americans spend when they vacation down there.

     
  • posted at 5:48 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    As long as we have a federal government bent on ignoring the Constitution, it won't matter what Arizona or any other state tries to do. I am absolutely amazed that so many Americans actually believe that this new law in any way unfairly treats anyone (including illegal aliens). But when we have the President of the United States speaking about his concern with the law rather than the concern about the porous borders (HIS responsibility, by the way), nothing will ever be done to resolve the issue.What we've been watching unfold across the nation now isn't unlike the health care "reform" debacle. To ram through these socialist programs demands that there be internal strife; wasn't it the president's own chief of staff who iterated that no crisis should be wasted? Along those lines I wonder just how many of these crises are man-made; or at the very least how many aren't just fed more fuel in order to make them more effective to reach this administration's nefarious ends?Oops! Did I (perhaps) unwittingly offer a conspiracy theory that the progressive left insists should be outlawed? I sure hope so!

     
  • posted at 4:54 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    We are a nation of laws, and it's time we began to enforce them. Arizona is only upholding federal immigration laws that Obama is NOT enforcing.

     
  • posted at 4:53 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    If Mexico would stop being a Corrupt Nation, millions of hispanics would stay in Mexico, and live their live there.The Mexican government could crush the drug trade in their country but BILLIONS of dollars are on the line. Corruption among the Police and governmemnt officials is Terrible.No one can tell me the Mexican military is Helpless against drug gang thugs.

     
  • posted at 4:50 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    Great American Trucker wrote on May 8, 2010 8:40 AM:" It's high-time someone in America began addressing the problems with illegals. Arizona has my utmost respect for stepping up the plate and begin enforcing existing laws to combat the problem. I don't believe it is nearly enough, but it's a good start, and I am hopeful other states will follow suit.We are a nation of laws, and it's time we began to enforce them. Without the rule of law, you end up with, what is now, modern day Mexico, a country ruled by drug gangs, corruption and murder. I'd like to see Mexico regain it's independence and vanqish the drug trade altogether --which would be an outstanding solution to our illegal immigration problem, but I won't see it in my lifetime. "Very good post!

     
  • posted at 4:47 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    cogito wrote on May 8, 2010 8:30 AM:" It's a lie that the Arizona police will single out and target Latinos for deportation. What will most likely happen is for them to be asked for documentation when pulled over in a traffic stop. That document is called a drivers license. No one should be behind the wheel without one, or insurance for that matter. No drivers license will be the red flag. Nobody will be kicking down doors asking for documentation, despite what the lame stream media is saying."I agree 100%.

     
  • posted at 4:46 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    ecjcf2002... this message is for You!First off, You (cannot) be put in jail if happen to be with someone who is illegal. If you have proper I-D and they don't, you walk away and they hopefully go to jail. "What if I am legal but someone in my family isn't. Does that make me a criminal?" You have a RESPONSIBILTY to your family member to help them fill out the proper immigration papers and meet all the requirements to be a U.S. Citizen."There are gray areas that government officials need to deal with".This is such a (BULL CRAP) Cop-out answer! Immigration to this Country is what every potential immigrant must deal with. Quit putting the blame on our government. We have immigration laws just as Mexico and every other country has. Mexico has no (SPECIAL RIGHT) to send MILLIONS and MILLIONS of their citizens to live here, while (THEY REFUSE TO BECOME U.S. Citizens.)ecjcf2002... if BILLIONS of dollars that are wired to Mexico every year were instead (SPENT HERE), our ECONOMY would be doing better, more products, means more employment, means our economy is stimulated not Mexico's.

     
  • posted at 4:37 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    This tug of War between LIBERALS and the American Citizens who feel (Illegally entering & REMAINING in America by the MILLIONS is wrong will eventually be (SETTLED) by Obama and the Demo controlled HOUSE & SENATE!Total Amnesty will be granted, just as it was done in the 1980's!We can all see now how well that worked.Shame on anyone who doesn't believe in immigration control.

     
  • posted at 4:34 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    SB 1070 requires no more than the federal statute already on the books that instructs lawful immigrants to carry a U.S. government-issued green card as proof of authorization to live and work in America.If they're not permanent residents, they need "temporary visas" that allow them to visit as tourists, students or seasonal workers.This same type law would apply to ANY U.S. Citizen who was in Mexico.But Americans in Mexico are NOT Whining!

     
  • posted at 4:34 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    ecjcf2002 wrote on May 8, 2010 7:57 AM:" First of all I do not think you're a Nazi. I am against this law that Arizona has passed. The problem to me is how can you distinguish someone who is illegal or legal without racially profiling them?-The likeliness is HIGH that the most of the Illegals in AZ are Hispanic.We can't overlook this probability.When I drive down the strrets here in Phoenix I always see Hispanic day laborers waiting to get a job. I rarely see any other nationality doing this. It's not rocket science to figure out most of these day laborers are illegal.Of course the process to become a citizen is slow. But it's not our faultthe Mexican Government can't take care of it's people with ample social services and job programs.

     
  • posted at 3:40 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    It's high-time someone in America began addressing the problems with illegals. Arizona has my utmost respect for stepping up the plate and begin enforcing existing laws to combat the problem. I don't believe it is nearly enough, but it's a good start, and I am hopeful other states will follow suit.We are a nation of laws, and it's time we began to enforce them. Without the rule of law, you end up with, what is now, modern day Mexico, a country ruled by drug gangs, corruption and murder. I'd like to see Mexico regain it's independence and vanqish the drug trade altogether --which would be an outstanding solution to our illegal immigration problem, but I won't see it in my lifetime.

     
  • posted at 3:33 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    Uphold in the constitutional right of protecting the borders of the United States when the Federal Government refuse to should be a great 10th amendment legal battle.Everything else aside, failure to do what AZ is now doing means the end of the US as an effective nation. The country will fracture because some states have reached the end of the line...Read about the real reasons the war of succession was fought...Hint- it wasn't about slavery. That was Mr. Lincoln's attempt at PR to make the war a righteous cause of the day after it had already started and wasn't going well for the north.

     
  • posted at 3:30 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    It's a lie that the Arizona police will single out and target Latinos for deportation. What will most likely happen is for them to be asked for documentation when pulled over in a traffic stop. That document is called a drivers license. No one should be behind the wheel without one, or insurance for that matter. No drivers license will be the red flag. Nobody will be kicking down doors asking for documentation, despite what the lame stream media is saying.

     
  • posted at 2:57 am on Sat, May 8, 2010.

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    First of all I do not think you're a Nazi. I am against this law that Arizona has passed. The problem to me is how can you distinguish someone who is illegal or legal without racially profiling them? The police are going to ask people who have brown skin, or are speaking spanish to provide documentation while everyone else gets left alone? There's no way to enforce the law without discriminating one race from others. You can be put in jail if happen to be with someone who is illegal. What if I am legal but someone in my family isn't. Does that make me a criminal? Americans need to realize we don't live in a black or white world. There are gray areas that government officials need to deal with. That's why they were put in office. This country was founded by immigrants and they deserve a chance to better their lives. Citizens need to realize that the big economic problems we face today are more a result of bad money mangement by the government in the last 15 years and demand that the government correct those things, rather than use others as scapegoats.

     

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