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Posted: Saturday, December 29, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 7:39 am, Sat Dec 29, 2012.

Disclaimer: I have had some experience with guns. I was held at gunpoint at my law school campus once and survived.

Later, in 1991, I was a deputy city attorney at the time of the Cleveland School shooting in Stockton, and was involved in writing the first anti-assault weapons ordinance in the country at the direction of the Stockton City Council. The NRA filed a lawsuit against the city opposing the ordinance, but dropped it after the state of California passed their version of a state law banning certain assault weapons which pre-empted the city’s local ordinance.

That law is in effect today. California has one of the nation’s strongest gun control laws, and the ninth-lowest rate of gun deaths in the nation, according to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

In spite of NRA claims to the contrary, statistics show that the states with the lowest gun ownership rate and strictest gun control laws have the lowest rates of gun deaths. In addition to California, Massachusetts, Hawaii, New Jersey, New York and Connecticut had the lowest per capita gun death rates. Each of those states have strict gun laws and low gun ownership rates.

However, Louisiana, Wyoming, Alabama, Montana, and Mississippi rank first in gun deaths — and all have weak gun laws and higher rates of gun ownership.

Single-fire weapons used for hunting, personal protection and target shooting are protected by the Second Amendment. They have a legitimate purpose. The Supreme Court has validated the right of ownership of those weapons.

However, the Court has also placed limitations on certain types of weapons, those surely not contemplated by our Founding Fathers. It is illegal to own a machine gun, for example.

One wonders how far the NRA would go in protecting weapons such as bazookas, tanks or nuclear weapons from regulation. The cynical part of me says that as long as manufacturers donate heavily to the NRA, they would market these to gun owners, and the NRA would lobby Congress to protect the sale of these weapons. The NRA has four million members. Surveys have shown that a majority of those members support reasonable gun laws that the NRA itself has bitterly fought. However, it has been increasingly clear in recent years that the NRA strongly represents gun and ammunition makers, and its goal has been to assist their businesses by increasing profits by the sale of firearms and munitions in this country.

Their pathetic call to arm teachers and place police officers on campuses rather than require limits on assault weapons and 100-round magazines is an insult to the victims and families of the 62 mass murders in the last 30 years. (One can only imagine some gun manufacturers already trying to figure out how they could profit by selling weapons to schools.)

NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre insists that blame for the latest shootings should be on video games, the media, American culture and even natural disasters. He blamed everything except brutally efficient high-capacity guns and military style weapons.

His solution? Arm teachers and put armed police officers at every school in America.

Is this what we have become?

At Columbine, a sheriff’s deputy was on duty in 1999 and fired at one of the killers while 11 of their 13 victims were still alive. He missed four times.

Last August, New York City police officers fired at a gunman outside the Empire State Building. They killed him, but wounded nine bystanders.

These were trained officers. Do we really want to have teachers hunt for a key to a locked cabinet which holds a weapon rather than protecting their students, as the brave teachers did in Connecticut? Do we really want schools to become armed fortresses where teachers spend time on weapons training than on curriculum?

Even having a legally acquired gun does not make you safer. Statistics show that if you have a gun in your home, you are 22 times more likely to become a victim. Adam Lanza’s mother had a number of legally acquired weapons, one of which was used by her son to murder her.

Why does a hunter needsan assault weapon, a military weapon made for the purpose of killing people? Do hunters use them to hunt deer? Is that truly a sport?

Do gun owners want assault weapons because they enjoy target practice? Is it more important for gun enthusiasts to enjoy target practice than to protect society and our children from the threat of mass murder?

Why does a hunter need a 30- or 100-round magazine? The only reason that Jared Lee Loughner did not kill more victims in Tucson was that his 30-round magazine jammed. Is there any justification for owning a magazine that fires 30 or even 100 bullets in mere seconds?

After a crazed gunman in Australia killed 35 people in 1995, Australia passed tough new gun control laws. Afterwards, both gun suicides and homicides fell. In addition, while there were 13 mass shooting in Australia between 1979 and 1996, there have been none in the last 16 years.

One more proof that strict laws decrease gun deaths.

There are no easy answers. However, sensible laws regarding assault weapons and multi-round magazines are a start. Congress should close the gun show loophole and develop a background check system to ensure that anyone who buys a firearm is a law-abiding, mentally stable individual. We must examine our mental health system to make sure that those who need help are able to get it.

Is the stranglehold that the NRA has on our legislators too powerful for any action by Congress, even now? Or will the massacre of the 26 innocent children and adults fade from our collective memory until the next shooting, when we again will suffer the horror, tragedy and one more example of the absence of courage by our political leaders?

Cynthia Neely of Lodi is a retired city attorney.

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  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:46 pm on Fri, Jan 11, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Mr. Birch, just curious..

    Why have you decided to delete my suggestion that Mr. Adams simply call KENS5 himself?

    The same phone number I provided him and you deleted is readily available on the links I already posted.

    Huh? [huh]

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:18 am on Fri, Jan 11, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Is it safe to assume you won't be contacting KENS5 or subscribing to the San Antonio Express anytime soon?

  • Mike Adams posted at 6:30 am on Fri, Jan 11, 2013.

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    I don't know which is sadder: Do you just not want to admit you've been bested again, or that you can't understand that you've been bested again.

    Given your history, my guess is the latter.

  • Mike Adams posted at 5:48 pm on Thu, Jan 10, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1574

    I can see why you copy cut and paste now.

    Read carefully: "M I M I C W E B S I T E S"

    And the ATF and FBI didn't cause the death of those children and "innocent" women. David Koresh did. Deal with it.

    Also lots and lots of holes in your San Antonio shooting story are beginning to appear.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:23 pm on Tue, Jan 8, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Is KENS5 San Antonio, a local CBS affilliate television station a "mimic" television station Mike?

  • Mike Adams posted at 6:19 pm on Tue, Jan 8, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1574

    "Just wondering why credit wasn't given to the conspiracy theory websites from which this was plagiarized - or as some would say, "copied and pasted?" Read on.....

    "Founded in 1865, the San Antonio Express-News is the information source for South Texas. The Hearst Corp. newspaper is led by President & Publisher John C. McKeon, Executive Vice President of Finance and Administration Susan Pape, and Managing Editor Jamie Stockwell. In addition to its staff in San Antonio and its neighboring counties, the Express-News maintains bureaus in Austin, the Rio Grande Valley and Washington, D.C."

    Doesn't even try to hide it.

    If anyone would consider this is any sort of rebuttal, it would say a lot about their current state of mind. And you see, this was a letter to the editor of this particular publication, again, this is just routine for conspiracy theorists.

    NOTE: I'm not sure the title conspiracy "theorists" is even accurate. One definition of "theory" that does apply (from is "an unproved assumption"

    Maybe we could get a youtube video? Some article by a ghost writer supposedly published by a major publisher in some sort of periodical. You can just make up names, nobody other than me bothers to even check them out.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:06 am on Tue, Jan 8, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Founded in 1865, the San Antonio Express-News is the information source for South Texas. The Hearst Corp. newspaper is led by President & Publisher John C. McKeon, Executive Vice President of Finance and Administration Susan Pape, and Managing Editor Jamie Stockwell. In addition to its staff in San Antonio and its neighboring counties, the Express-News maintains bureaus in Austin, the Rio Grande Valley and Washington, D.C.

  • Mike Adams posted at 5:33 pm on Mon, Jan 7, 2013.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1574

    Joanne: Just FYI, conspiracists like to cite legitimate publications but how do legitimate publications like newspapers publish what everyone knows is just another wacky far out scenario? By writing letters to the editor. Editor publishes it (mostly for entertainment value) and now, conspiratorialist has something published in a mainstream newspaper and can cite it knowing most people will never check it out. That's also why when you see one citation, you don't see anymore.

    The other moves they'll make is to either drum up a story locally, get it some low level reporter to write it up and if space allows, the paper will publish it. Again, instant legitimacy.

    The last thing I've noticed, is they will set up mimic websites, that will mirror those of legitimate public agencies, boards, etc. Often if look carefully, you'll see a web address very similar to the address of the real deal or a link to it through some sort of board like this.

    As for plagiarism, maybe we should check out a book on 'fair use..blabidyblab". Let's hope high school kids never get a hold of this! Everyone in class will be submitting the same term paper on the same topic written by the same writer! They'll feel free to keep their eyes off their own test papers. If you call them on it, "Fair use blabidy blab' and you'll have to let them CHEAT because they don't know it's wrong to copy from someone else or use someone else's words as their own. I guess it must excuse everything.
    Would you go to a doctor who knows 'fair use blabidy blab' better than he knows the PDR (Physician's Desk Reference)?

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:44 pm on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1675

    Thanks Eric I wanted to know that as well.

  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:23 am on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1604

    Mr. Chapman could please state where you got you stats from?

  • John Lucas posted at 10:06 am on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Of the five categories of violent crime, four recorded a drop in the number of victims between 2009 and 2010. These were homicide, assault, sexual assault and robbery.
    2 Australian crime: Facts & figures 2011
    • The number of victims of kidnappings/abductions increased between 2009 and 2010 by 39 people. However, the number of kidnappings/abductions in 2010 represents a 23 percent decrease since a peak in 2008, when 788 kidnapping/ abductions were recorded.
    • Overall, the number of victims of homicide has been in decline since 1996. In 1996, there were 354 victims of homicide in Australia compared with 260 in 2010. This is a decrease of 27 percent.
    • Since 1996, assault has been the category of violent crime with the greatest number of victims annually. In 2010, 171,083 people were the victim of assault in Australia.
    • The number of victims of robbery in 2010 is the lowest on record since 1996, with 14,582 victims. Robbery victim numbers peaked in 2001 with 26,591 victims.
    • Sexual assault victim numbers have been decreasing since 2008, by approximately four percent per year.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:08 am on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Exactly! [thumbup]

    Facts are no match for emotions.

  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:39 am on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Before Ms. Neely, and others, offer up the Australian gun laws as proof that they work, they should have researched the facts. The facts from Australia are as follows.After the gun ban in Australia:
    Australia-wide, homicides up 6.2 percent,
    Australia-wide, assaults up 9.6 percent;
    Australia-wide, armed robberies up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
    In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.(while the law-abiding citizens turned them in the criminals did not)
    While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward since the criminals are now all but guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.
    More gun laws are not the answer. They simply are ignored by criminals.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 4:19 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1675

    Thank you for your excellent evaluation of securing our borders witgh a fence. I have always said that that was a lot of money with minimal effectiveness. I don't know when fences were used in war unless you are referring to forts and castles which for a time had their effectiveness. However there are many forms of electronic surveilance and fences coupled with electronics could be a system of early intruder detection. However the costs are something that continues to be a hurdle.

    Armed guards are effective if the intruder approaches where the armed guard is. Do you begin to see a problem here? Now many of the shhootings occured where there was an armed person however they were not in the vacinity of the shooting or just approaced as the shooting ended but the armed person couldn't tell the good guy from the bad guy (who had been disarmed. Armed guards simply can't just have a gun they need to be excellent marksmen or you wind up like the incident in New York where innocent bystanders were shot. Since most shooting occur within seconds if not mionutes there is little time to notify the armed person of an intruder, have them run to the area (since intruders come in where the guard isn't) and in seconds sort the scene and aim hopeing the intruder doesn't hold a hostage which diminishes your ability to take them out. This leaves you with a system that is about as effective as a fence alone. Maybe a combination of the two could be considered but either way the costs and effectiveness needs to be considered. Thats why a discussion is needed and for anyone to suggest alll we need are guns in the schools really isn't thinking this through.
    This gun escalation really is unfortunate situation that, like the old west and roaring twenties where guns were rampant, we need to find the path to civilized living again. We need to reduce everyones paranoia. Most people would rather make money than make war. Everyone wants to feel safe. So working from that end would get us back to civilized living and there would be less perception that guns are the only route to secure living because they are not.

  • Ted Lauchland posted at 11:51 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

    Ted Lauchland Posts: 261

    A security system is worth a try. Bottom line is guns can make mince meat out of security systems. That sleep might be permanent. I am actually surprised that you would think that it would ever be sufficient to secure a life. It hasn't help in any war nor has it been affective in genocide. When police themselves tell you to protect yourselves because they can't 24/7 and neither can an army. Do you really think a fence is enough?
    Not to live in a paranoia and constant fear but to live instead in confidence with freedom to move around , think and whatever. I am not saying carry a weapon but just knowing that you do have the ability to defend under the most extreme conditions. Police don't really like hearing something that may put their personal lives at a higher risk but at the same time they can not do their jobs alone. Training is a biggy. Guns are violent. Bang! They get your attention and they do have a purpose.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:35 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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    San Antonio Express News isn't a "conspiracy theory" website. [sleeping]

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:21 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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    Just wondering why credit wasn't given to the conspiracy theory websites from which this was plagiarized - or as some would say, "copied and pasted?"

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 7:26 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1675

    Hey Joanne
    Like John I've been missing you.

  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:18 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1604

    Are you suggesting that gun ownership is a God given right that seems a bit strange.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:04 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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    On December 17, 2 days after the CT shooting, a man went to a restaurant in San Antonio to kill his former girlfriend. After he shot her, most of the people in the restaurant fled next door to a theater. The gunman followed them and entered the theater so he could shoot more people. He started shooting and people in the theater started running and screaming. It’s like the Aurora, CO theater story plus a restaurant!

    Now aren’t you wondering why this isn’t a lead story in the national media along with the school shooting? I'll explain why.

    There was an off duty county deputy at the theater. SHE pulled out her gun and shot the man 4 times before he had a chance to kill anyone. So since this story makes the point that the best thing to stop a bad person with a gun is a good person with a gun, the media is treating it like it never happened.

    The city is giving her a medal next week. Just thought you’d like to know.

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:28 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "Andy, Do you have children in school? Did you know Lodi High has had a armed cop on campus everyday for about the last 4 or 5 years now?"

    Honey, do you know that Lodi High has had an armed "cop" on campus everyday for about 12 years or more?

    Do you also know that every drug in the world in sold and bought on Lodi High's campus every day?

    Which is the higher risk? A gun shot, hidden drug addiction, or drug overdose? The school district cannot protect against any of these.

    Do you know that you think that firing a gun at 3AM makes you think you are safe from hard core criminals, but you are not? If someone wants to do true harm, you are not safe, no matter how many guns you have.

    Try a security system. You'll sleep better.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:15 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2370

    Our attention now has turned toward the mentally ill and their attainment of firearms. In this case it has nothing to do with the laws already in place. No, as far as I know from reports during the past few weeks, the weapons this disturbed man used belonged to his mother. And as far as I know they were registered to her.

    But once again, this tragedy wasn't due to the failure of lawmakers to tighten gun laws; it was because one gun owner for whatever reason didn't secure her weapons well enough to keep them from her disturbed son. Could one more law have prevented what happened in Connecticut? I don't see how.

    As for how other countries deal with firearms, I really don't care. Just as I don't care about how other countries deal with other matters. The United States is different - we have a Constitution that recognizes certain God-given rights; it's a document that does not regulate the People; but instead defines what constrains the government. I would like to keep it that way.

    The Second Amendment protects our right to possess and use firearms. Now while I certainly do believe that certain regulations must exist to "try" and keep firearms out of the hands of those who would use them lawlessly, if the government attempts to strangle that right to the point where possessing a weapon is almost impossible, then we might as well just repeal the Second Amendment. Just imagine the fight that would ensue from such a proposition.

    Each time a tragedy happens relating to guns, the mass hysteria arises and those on the left start demanding more laws and regulations. But if they'd be a little honest about it, they would realize that it's not those who possess their weapons according to the laws already in place that are doing the damage. And if they have their way, the government would gather up all the guns until only the crooks possess them. Imagine the chaos and crime rate if that were to happen.

    As far as the schools are concerned, is it time to place an armed guard in each one? I don't know - but it doesn't sound like a bad idea. It is certainly worth considering. Could even one child have been spared if someone else had a weapon to defend them with? But what is NOT worthy of consideration is this continued attack against the Second Amendment.

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:45 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

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  • Andy Crowder posted at 4:42 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

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    Ted, you're saying that you personally would guard all the schools in Lodi? Or that armed parents should take turns taking days of work to guard the school? Or maybe that every teacher pack heat? I'm not sure that I understand your position.

  • Andy Crowder posted at 4:39 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    I did know that. I'm not advocating any position on this. I only asked if you supported armed guards on all public school campuses and if so, how you propose paying for this.

  • Andy Crowder posted at 4:37 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Are you completely unaware of gun regulation in other first world countries? Canadians love their guns even more than Americans, but they are tightly regulated, and it's been very effective at keeping gun violence low.

    How do you feel about how easy it is for the mentally ill to buy assault weapons? Surely this is an area where we can agree that America can do better.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:05 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

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    What I find simply amazing are those who truly believe that guns can be regulated. Liberals claim that they can write more laws that will make Americans safer. Well, they've been writing laws regarding guns for as long as I can remember and nothing much has changed other than continued proof that as long as there are bad guys out there they WILL get the guns and they WILL harm people.

    But rather than find realistic ways of going after those crooks, it's those who DO register their firearms they want to regulate. It's silly of course. But it makes them “appear” as if they’re doing something worthwhile.

    But let's get back to the bad guys, shall we? Suppose they're successful in getting all the gun manufacturers and gun sellers shut down (not that they've suggested that yet, but it will come soon). We can't control our borders against illegal aliens, how in the world will they be able to keep guns from crossing over? In fact, one of the most prolific gun running operations in our nation's history was perpetrated by our own liberal government - Fast and Furious - see how THAT turned out.

    As long as the Second Amendment permits law-abiding citizens to own weapons, then I say leave them alone. As for me I've never owned a gun and I never expect to. But I'll never stand in the way of those who obey the gun laws from obtaining and responsibly owning and using theirs. THAT would be truly un-American.

  • Thomas Heuer posted at 8:37 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

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    Excellent column Ms Neely. It is statistics and idea such as you present that are definitly worth considering. I am not big on gun control but I do realize we have a problem and spmething needs to be done. Your insights and personal experience go along way to opening the dialogue. I see the NRA for what it is protecting the manufature and sale of arms rather than a true advocate for bun owners. They definitly are not addressing the hideous slaughter of innocents. There are needs for guns for personal protection if nothing else than to protect us from paranoid gun enthusiasts (nuts). There is a tradition for hunting in this country but I'm afraid hunting is the sheeps clothing of the unstable wolves. And when the motives of the nut-jobs is anti-government scenarios like Waco it does addsome urgency to getting something done. Thank you again

  • John Lucas posted at 9:11 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

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    Jerome, I also notice you directly address any of the arguments she made.

  • John Lucas posted at 9:05 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

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    You guys crack me up. I lived in the tenderloin in San Francisco and never felt afraid. I lived in Richmond, Ca (murder Capital of California) same thing. I drove truck and delivered and pick up in every bad place in every big city in America same thing. If you are fearful about everything that can happen you will not be ready when something does happen. In every moment of every day you have two choices. Act out of fear or act out of love. In reality there are no other choices. Choosing fear will make your life a nightmare. It is a cancer. Our greatest President (in my opinion) said it best. The only thing you have to fear is fear itself.

  • John Lucas posted at 8:52 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

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    She was a Liberal long before that incident. I have been wounded and i have had guns pointed at me and I have been in firefights but it took awhile but I finally came to my senses and became a Liberal. I was never a Conservative and the thought of voting for a Republican never entered my mind but at one point in my life I was a Libertarian.

  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 7:52 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

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    I sure do appreciate Ms. Neely's disclaimer. As a result, in my opinion it renders her column valueless. Of course it really wouldn't matter that she went through what I am certain was a harrowing experience that after so many years that one event alone has guided her life inasmuch as guns and gun control are considered; it is also likely that the majority of her liberal political leanings have been influenced by it as well.

    I therefore look forward to her next tome. Hopefully it will be a tad more objective.

  • Sunny Samuels posted at 7:33 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

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    You said that Ted, I work in downtown Stockton. My first day my boss told me that the minute I let down my guard because I feel safe is the moment I turn into a victim.

  • Sunny Samuels posted at 7:30 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

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    I thought we were talking about guns legally being in schools. Don't change the subject.

  • Doug Chaney posted at 4:08 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

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    Thank you for the Clinton memories, Ms. Samuels. How about some dubya stories? And the innocent soldiers and civilians that were massacred over falsified security reports and a war in the wrong country?

  • Sunny Samuels posted at 3:58 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Sunny Samuels Posts: 61

    And did you read the article to see how much of your tax dollars Bill Clinton gave to pay for the same thing in April of 2000? Don't be a hypocrite.

  • Sunny Samuels posted at 3:56 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Sunny Samuels Posts: 61

    Andy, Do you have children in school? Did you know Lodi High has had a armed cop on campus everyday for about the last 4 or 5 years now?

  • Ted Lauchland posted at 3:43 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Ted Lauchland Posts: 261

    Personally, I'd guard the schools myself. I have chaparoned kids many a time even through the streets of New York. Security comes in all shapes.

    You are correct Ms. Bobin - extreme-ism is pretty far out there. It takes an extreme to counter an extreme. Guns have been excluded from your life but not the lives of others. Mass extermination needs to be guarded against. It is easy to point fingers and dream of an ideal world but being a realist I do not believe it would ever be attainable. I care to care for life and it's future. I have physically addressed those issues in the past. I would not hesitate to address them in the future.
    As a parent and human being when do we ever stop guarding against the crazies of the world ? Assuming we are safe is our first mistake.

  • Andy Crowder posted at 1:37 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Sunny, are you advocating for armed guards in all public school buildings? if so, are you will to pay for that?

  • Sunny Samuels posted at 12:29 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Sunny Samuels Posts: 61

    Too bad the anti-guns parrots have short memories. Never heard anyone throw a fit when Bill Clinton put cops in schools with your tax money.

  • John Lucas posted at 11:30 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Missed you, Joanne [smile]

  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:09 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Excellent column.

    Wayne LaPierre has proven himself to be a deranged sociopath who should be removed from society, let alone be in charge of a group advocating gun use and rights. His prior statement even caused Daddy Bush to resign his lifetime membership in the NRA.

    Charlton Heston, former honorary president of the NRA, shamed his image as an actor in so many great movies by revealing himself as a bigot and racist in his later years, holding a rifle over his head and proclaiming the government would have to take his weapon "from his cold, dead hands."

    Sad (and disgusting) end to a great career.

    Extremism at its worst.


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