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  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:36 pm on Sun, Apr 14, 2013.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I'm guessing that Mr. DockTER believes in the Bible verse then , the rapist shall marry his victim and pay her father a paltry sum for the privilege?

    I'm also guessing that Mr. Bird, who seems well versed in the Bible, is not necessarily an atheist, but more likely is well educated on the absurdities of said volume of myths.

  • Brian Dockter posted at 12:14 pm on Sun, Apr 14, 2013.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2866

    L. Christopher Bird stated:

    Or you know, maybe we can accept the radical notion that a creation story written 2700 years ago does not have any authority by how people should define marriage in the 21st century.

    -Sounds a lot like our fellow Atheists who have the philosophy that to believe in nothing means to believe in anything.

  • L. Christopher Bird posted at 11:29 pm on Sat, Apr 13, 2013.

    ZenMondo Posts: 4

    Like Jonathan Winkelman, I have an interest in what the bible says on many topics, including marriage. But unlike Mr. Winkleman, I do not think that definitions or morality that were espoused in the bronze age are necessarily relevant to how we live our lives in the 21st Century.

    Mr Winkleman states, "I am a pastor who believes in the complete authority and reliability of God's Word, the Bible. I believe that within the pages of this ancient yet culturally and socially relevant book, we find the answers to all of life's questions." and by implication is in favor of placing the force of secular law that aligns with his biblical views. I would be very interested if he thinks that the definition of marriage given in Deuteronomy 22:28-29 and should be practiced today. Perhaps you are not familiar with the passage, let me quote it for you.

    "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. "

    Since Mr. Winkleman asserts, "Marriage, then, belongs to God and is defined by Him. Since marriage is not a man-made institution, it is therefore not ours to define." It is my understanding that if he had a virgin daughter who was brutally raped, he would, since "God's word settles it" he would insist that this woman of an assault would marry her rapist, never to be divorced and profit from the encounter by the amount of anywhere between $291 to $581 depending on the value of silver. As an authority in his church, I suppose this is the biblical counseling of marriage he would have for any parishioners who were the victims of rape.

    Or you know, maybe we can accept the radical notion that a creation story written 2700 years ago does not have any authority by how people should define marriage in the 21st century.

  • David Diskin posted at 9:16 am on Sat, Apr 13, 2013.

    David Diskin Posts: 185

    If marriage belongs to the church, then why does the state get all mixed up in it?

    Are you suggesting that we eliminate the tax benefits that are associated with marriage?


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