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Ed Miller Puzzling election has me pondering: Now what?

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34 comments:

  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:58 am on Sun, Nov 25, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/11/21/obama_sba_head_hasnt_heard_of_obamacare_impacting_one_small_business.html#.ULEb_I8vjaw.facebook

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:57 am on Sun, Nov 25, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Obama's SBA head Karen Mills hasn't heard of ObamaCare impacting small business. [sleeping]

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/11/21/obama_sba_head_hasnt_heard_of_obamacare_impacting_one_small_business.html#.ULEb_I8vjaw.facebook

    Does that make her "two" [lol] smart" or is she a "bubble person" Mr. Lucas?

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:43 am on Sun, Nov 25, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    According to Merriam-Webster, a Constitutionalist is a person who adheres to a form of government according to constitutional principles.

    President Obama has violated the Constitution on more than one occasion.

    Mitt Romney has not nor is he the President.

    What part don’t you understand?
    [sleeping]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:45 pm on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    A confused person stated...Thank you for trying to prove my point of view, Mr. Baumbach. There ARE bigots around every corner ...

    No, rarely do I meet bigots. Mr Chang is one of the few that meet the dictionary definition as I posted. That you perceive he is not one substantiates that you are not qualified to understand what one is. Thus, what you see around every corner is anyones guess... as you have a vivid imagination that I'm sure only a select few could possibly comprehend.
    ...

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:14 am on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Mr Miller says "Now what?". The American people are onto the Conservative Republican and Tea Party obstructionism and half baked ideas. If the idiot Tea Party types in the congress do not get their act together and start working with the President on getting our financial problems worked out they will find themselves out of a job in the next election. The people of California had finally had it with this Conservative nonsense and voted the Democrats in. This is an opportunity to get things done. I know you do not see it but this Tea Party nonsense and the so-called "Conservative" Republican ideology is on its way out except in the deep south for it is not Conservative or sane. As to this "Liberalism is a house of cards" boloney it was Liberalism that laid the foundation for the creation of the greatest middle class the world had ever seen. The decline of that middle class started with election of Ronald Reagan and would be destroyed if it followed Tea Party/Conservative Republican ideology. The American people are two smart for that. There are only so many bubble people.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:00 am on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    There is a vital difference between the Tea Party, Conservative Republicans (really the same thing) and the Liberals is that Liberals believe in science and reason. Liberalism will always win in the end for that very reason.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 8:55 am on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Well said Pete.[thumbup]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 8:19 am on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "The Republican Party emerged in 1854 primarily because the Whigs would not take on the Democracy Party and abolish slavery. (Interesting how the Dems have swept the little fact under the rug) I think they have become 21st century "Whigs."

    1. I thought Mr. Miller stated in his initial "Patriot's Corner" column that the TEA Party, i.e., Lodi Citizens in Action, was NON-PARTISAN.

    That has certainly changed. I see that your next speaker is the fundraiser for PLF. Will he be scrounging for donations from the conspiracy theorists who attend your meetings to fight Agenda 21? As a media specialist, I am sure that he will be able start a feeding frenzy among the TEA Party adherents on the 26th!!

    2. "swept the little fact under the rug?" Apparently Mr. Miller has failed to grasp the changing political landscape of the US over the past 200+ years. Names are meaningless and the players have changed continually. Brush up on history in order to understand.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:54 am on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Thank you for trying to prove my point of view, Mr. Baumbach.

    There ARE bigots around every corner - I don't believe Mr. Chang is one, but when the tables are turned, the feigned indignation is hilarious.

    As I have stated in the past - when one IS a bigot, it is difficult to recognize and/or acknowledge because racial/ethnic/religious bias feels "normal." Bigots cannot recognize that they are bigots because those with who they associate hold their same views - thus your inability to accept the fact that Lodi "has bigots around every corner."

    Since you believe that the term "angry white guys" is bigoted, perhaps you should rethink many of your past statements that paint you as one in a crowd of many.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:47 am on Sat, Nov 24, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Question, Mr. Liebich. What are your politics? You claim to dislike/distrust both Democrats and Republicans, but I have never, ever seen a comment from you that is anti-Republican or anti-Mitt Romney.

    I think you have only one agenda - racial bias. And you hope to prove it with your endless youtube posts.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:32 pm on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    posted at 7:36 am on Fri, Nov 23, 2012
    “Is there anything that you can actually say in your own words, Mr. Liebich?”
    “Everything is either a cliche, insult, or a link to some nonsense that you think proves your point about something.”

    Good grief! [rolleyes]
    Mr. Barrow suggested that Obama “campaigned this time on
    addressing the debt and deficit " I provided a video of President Obama himself.

    Hardly “cliché”, only “insulting” to those who expected him to keep his word, and certainly utter “nonsense” as everyone who has seen the interview now knows.

    I’ll repeat what I said yesterday, “I do find your never ending inability to acknowledge anything your beloved Barack Obama says or does mindlessly entertaining Ms, Bobin.” “Attempting to awaken you from a self-perpetuating slumber is pointless.”

    And here is a clear example of what I’m talking about...Just today you posted this comment on Darrell’s letter.
    posted at 7:50 am on Fri, Nov 23, 2012
    “Oh, that's right, it is difficult to back up false information - typical Republicans - they forget that there is such a thing as video tape and the Internet, thus believe no one can prove them wrong.”

    I provided the video.[lol] Here it is again Ms. Bobin. http://youtu.be/icKw3h64nr4

    Is your “never ending inability to acknowledge anything your beloved Barack Obama says or does” ever going to end?
    [sleeping]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:07 pm on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    uh... what and how does anything anyone has been saying lead anyone to go to jail?

    bizarre... unconstitutional?...going to jail... ? I sincerely have no idea what either of you are talking about....

    Anyone care to clarify ?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:00 pm on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Clearly, Mr. Chang's Bigotry effects his ability to understand reality from the group he is so angry with ( his words... old white guys)....

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:28 pm on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1171


    "Liberals have declared war on conservatives"

    No, not true.

    Only Darrell and Jerry have declared WAR.

    [wink]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:27 pm on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1171

    "steps are taken to grow conservatism and defeat liberalism"

    "replacing the Republican party with a group with backbone"

    A "warrior" and a dreamer.

    [beam]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:26 pm on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1171


    "The time for the Tea Party to educate the public is over"

    Darrell has inferred that discussions and meetings are a waste of time.

    Talk is cheap Ed, it's time for action.

    [angry]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:25 pm on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1171

    "Not sure what prompted you to bring up the topic of unconstitutional actions however"

    Darrell, Ed doesn't want to go to jail.

    [scared]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:43 pm on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Miller stated...Liberalism will defeat itself. It is a "house of cards" built of nothing substantive and endless contradictions. Problem it will take us all down with it.

    Interesting thought! My position is that conservatives do not need to go down with liberalism at all. Not sure what prompted you to bring up the topic of unconstitutional actions however.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:29 pm on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr. Chang stated...Our "Windbags of War" have declared it's time to fight.

    Almost right! Better phrased is ...

    Talking about doing something is many times interpreted as sitting around and complaining and a waste of time. Unless successful constructive steps are taken to grow conservatism and defeat liberalism, freedoms conservatives cherish will decrease. So yes, conservatives should be passionate and enthusiastic to do what it takes to make America a better place for conservatives to live.
    Working with liberals is not constructive. Taking away their power is.


     
  • Ed Miller posted at 2:27 pm on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Ed946 Posts: 70

    Mr. Baumbach,

    Liberalism will defeat itself. It is a "house of cards" built of nothing substantive and endless contradictions. Problem it will take us all down with it.

    I do not agree with any action from either side that takes unconstitutional actions. Because, if we do, we are hypocrites and liars. What I would agree with is replacing the Republican party with a group with backbone.

    The Republican Party emerged in 1854 primarily because the Whigs would not take on the Democracy Party and abolish slavery. (Interesting how the Dems have swept the little fact under the rug) I think they have become 21st century "Whigs."

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 2:19 pm on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Finally, the man ( Mr Chang) demonstrating bigotry at it's worst in other threads railing against old white men said he was sorry about something.


    [thumbup]

     
  • Ed Miller posted at 2:10 pm on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Ed946 Posts: 70

    Mr. Barrow,

    Good reiteration of the talking points. I must agree with you that the party of stupid is talking like they believe them too.

    I would make the case that neither Bush nor Romney are conservatives and that is the problem. Add to both being crummy communicators and that the party of stupid would put them forth and here we are.

     
  • Ed Miller posted at 2:02 pm on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Ed946 Posts: 70

    Mr. Krengel,

    What facts was I off on?

    I did not threaten you or your family. What I "believe" has nothing to do with it. The fiscal situation at the national and state levels is what it is and you have not written anything to convince me that the future is bright with this president re-elected...

     
  • Ed Miller posted at 1:54 pm on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Ed946 Posts: 70

    Ms. Bobin,

    I hope you had a good Thanksgiving.

    Prop 32 = elimination of non-voluntary contributions of union members or corporate employees. Does not mean that members and employees cannot continue contributions voluntarily. None of this needed to be repeated.

    In California, the public-sector unions dominate the political process followed closely by corporations. If Prop 32 had passed, this corruption would have been reduced. The voters did not get the message so here we are again.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 11:50 am on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 1171

    "Talk is cheap, action speaks louder than words"

    Ed, I'm sorry you have to endure this.

    Our "Windbags of War" have declared it's time to fight.

    There's no more time for talk, negotiations or compromise.

    "This is WAR" said an Archconservation/Retrogressive LNS blogger recently.

    Recommended action:

    Cancel your health insurance while you still can.

    Cut your work hours and to reduce income, starve the "government tax dragon".

    Update your passport and convert all of your liquid assets into gold or Thai baht.

    Logout from the LNS's comments section, don't open your mail, email or answer your phone.

    Then wait....

    [wink]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 7:36 am on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Is there anything that you can actually say in your own words, Mr. Liebich?

    Everything is either a cliche, insult, or a link to some nonsense that you think proves your point about something.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:20 am on Fri, Nov 23, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Miller stated...Puzzling election has me pondering: Now what?

    I could not disagree more. The election was not puzzling at all. Everything is clear and the only thing to ponder is to decide on the best strategy to defeat liberalism. Waiting for the next election would be a bad idea.

    It is obvious that our country is not ever going to be unified. There is one half that feel comforted and safe having "Big Brother" involved in controlling their destiny and the other half who consider Big Brother a cruel slave owner limiting their freedom. No bad guy, just different perception of how things should be.

    Liberals have declared war on conservatives because they feel threatened and scared that their overseer will lose control. Most liberals voted to increase taxes on others but not on themselves. It was a vote originating in greed and self-interests. Since 70% of all voters who failed to get a high school diploma voted for Obama, it is obvious they want a government that takes care of all their needs since most of them cannot do it themselves.

    The time for the Tea Party to educate the public is over. Knowledge is not the problem. People’s dependency of government is. Until the Tea Party and other conservatives take action other than education, freedom for conservatives will continue to slip away. I think it is worth fighting for. Talk is cheap, action speaks louder than words.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 10:47 pm on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    I do find your never ending inability to acknowledge anything your beloved Barack Obama says or does mindlessly entertaining Ms, Bobin.

    Attempting to awaken you from a self-perpetuating slumber is pointless.

    http://www.usdebtclock.org/

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:19 pm on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Seriously?

    Aren't we tired of your pointlessness yet?

    Yes.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:57 pm on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    "He campaigned this time on addressing the debt and deficit "

    Seriously? [lol]... http://youtu.be/icKw3h64nr4

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:56 pm on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    It is quite telling that Mr. Miller mentions Prop. 32 with regard to unions only, i.e., "Additionally, we chose not to end the dominance of the public-sector unions in California politics."

    Whatever happened to the claim that Prop.32 was supposed to stop union donations to political causes "against the wills" of union members," and contributions from CORPORATIONS?

    The people of California saw through the ruse and voted this Prop. down as they should have.

    Corporations have a huge stake in backing Republican candidates. For example:

    Contrary to what Joe Guzzardi loves to propagate - that Democrats are in favor of increasing the immigration of high tech people via the H1B Visa - Republicans are on record as pushing this - in 2008 requesting that the ceiling be raised from 65,500 to 115,000.

    Republicans are on the payrolls of corporations who endorse having a large influx of foreign workers so they can pay them cheap salaries instead of hiring American graduates with the same skills as foreign workers.

    Foreign students come to the US, get a great education at American universities, and then are hired at less than 2/3 the salary a US citizen would garner for the same job. Why wouldn't corporations endorse Republicans?

    Fine having these students here since they bring large dollars to universities by paying non-resident tuition, but send them packing after they graduate. I am sure their home countries could use their expertise.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:44 am on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1591

    It’s not hard to figure out Mr. Miller the Democratic Party has understood and embraced the facts that the country has grown more diverse, alternative lifestyles are becoming more mainstream and acceptable and the family unit at times looks different than it did fifty years ago. These facts seem to have escaped the Republican Party. I also take a little offense that Obama was not reelected on his record. Obama campaigned on implementing healthcare reform, ending don’t ask don’t tell and many other things he accomplished. The economy continues to improve under his watch and the auto industry has made a strong comeback. He vowed to track down the enemies of this country and succeeded. He campaigned this time on addressing the debt and deficit and immigration reform and I believe he can accomplish those things.

    As far as California is concerned, Californians understand the importance of education and that workers have a right to join together and demand reasonable working conditions and livable wages. I also think that the people of California did not appreciate out of state special interest trying to buy an election in California and set the stage for union busting in other states. I have to agree with Pete enough of the gloom and doom the U.S. is as strong as ever.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:36 am on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1591

    Well said Pete.

     
  • Pete Krengel posted at 8:53 am on Thu, Nov 22, 2012.

    Petermark Posts: 6

    Thanks for pointing out that so many of the registered voters in CA just walked into the polls with their blinders on , hypnotized by "likeability" and voted. Ed you should be so lucky to think so. Actually it was the exact opposite. You should also be thankful that Politico Fact does not check up on what you put in writing. That was also a problem in the election and one of the strong reasons many people did not vote for your candidates, Tea Party or otherwise.

    Please dont threaten my children or grandchildren with the Armageddon talk. That is what you believe along with a very small number of Tea party goers. My Children actually are quite happy about the future as they chose a candidate who has strong values and an outlook on a bright future for all men and women.

     

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