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Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:15 am, Tue Apr 10, 2012.

Continuing our definition of the tenets of the Tea Party Group of Lodi, in this installment, we will be defining "constitutionally limited" government.

A constitution is a written set of principles of action setting the bounds for a government (or an organization). Our country is a "constitutionally limited republic," not a democracy. Similarly, each state in the Union has a constitution; however, our concern is primarily with the United States Constitution.

The Constitution is, by definition, designed to limit government's power and intrusion into our lives. Progressives complain that the Constitution is too limiting to allow their agenda. It is, by design. To understand this requires historical context.

The original 13 colonies won their independence from Great Britain and the tyranny of its monarch in 1783. The colonies then operated as 13 separate countries loosely affiliated by the Articles of Confederation. They had separate laws, monetary systems, defense, trade, etc. The central government was powerless to settle disputes between states nor could it coordinate a common defense, a situation that became unworkable.

In 1787, Congress called for a convention to modify the Articles of Confederation to solve these issues. That convention determined that the Articles could not be appropriately modified and decided to write a Constitution. The important historical context is that the Revolution had only ended four years earlier, and no one wanted to trade one tyranny for another. Thus was the source of the limitations written into the document limiting federal government intervention into state and local affairs.

The driving force behind ratification of the Constitution was the Federalists, and they had strong opposition from those frightened by the potential of another tyrannical central government, an appropriate concern. The Federalists wrote a collection of 85 articles, "The Federalist Papers," published in newspapers of the time justifying and promoting the ratification of the Constitution. "The Federalist Papers" are still considered internationally as the ultimate how-to manual for government development.

That was then, this is now. How is our Federalism doing 250 years later? We now have career politicians in Washington, D.C. and elsewhere that many of us refer to as the "ruling elite" not unlike aristocracy. Why? Because they are disconnected from the voters, serve special interests and "rule" as if their offices are an untouchable birthright (we keep re-electing them, so perhaps they are correct). Congress' approval rating is in the tank, with just 13 percent of Americans approving of its performance (January 2012).

How is the federal government doing staying out of state and local affairs, a fundamental of Federalism? The feds get around Federalism rules by pulling funding into Washington and then parsing it out in federal grants to state — and especially local — governments and school boards. This is what some local politicians declare as "free money," as if their local taxpayers did not provide it.

In any case, that money comes with federal rules that determine how the money can be utilized, giving the feds control locally. This applies to school, city and county grants. Attend a city council or a school board meeting if you doubt this. In addition, the federal government regulates water, local storm drains, energy, grade school curriculums and our real estate development, especially if some allegedly endangered toad has a claim on your property, to name a few examples.

In conclusion, the intended balance of Federalism has tipped toward excess centralization and control by the federal government. Has it become tyrannical? Progressives would say no and conservatives would say yes. Somewhere in between is probably accurate.

A label of "soft tyranny" is appropriate because growing government intrusion and controls is stifling hope in business and employment, counter to current political rhetoric. We believe a shift back to more local control is a more appropriate balance, and consistent with the original intent of the Constitution.

Find out more by attending the Lodi Tea Party general meeting Monday, May 21 at 6:30 p.m. in the United Congregational Christian Church, 701 S Hutchins St., Lodi.

Kim Parigoris and Ed Miller are leaders of the Lodi Tea Party.

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28 comments:

  • Bob Marconi posted at 4:53 pm on Mon, Apr 23, 2012.

    Bob Marconi Posts: 38

    I suppose every chat group needs a "lefty," but why does Ms. Bobin always resort to insults?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:18 am on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...Mr. Baumbach, as is his wont for falsehoods and fabrication, has expanded that comment into his own interpretation which he

    Honestly Ms Bobin, I have a library of posts you made that was intended to intimidate and bully... to me, you are a classic bully. Mr Miller has a different definition of bully that I do apparently.

    The only falsehood here is your accusation of my falsehoods.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:12 am on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin posted at 9:46 am on Mon, Aug 22, 2011... The above may be way too much for you to absorb in one sitting, so I suggest that you re-read before flying off with comments that have nothing to do with my remarks.
    If you still conclude that Mr. Sunderson is a bigot, then I guess I'll just have to add him to my list of "corners" around which Lodi's bigots are slyly skulking.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:03 am on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405


    Joanne Bobin posted at 5:44 pm on Wed, Jun 15, 2011... Don't worry, Mr. Baumbach. While walking through Lodi I don't have to look under rocks, through windows, etc. All I have to do is enjoy a cup of coffee at Starbucks at 6AM and eavesdrop on the Boys Club (retired police, fire and sheriffs) who convene there daily, to hear some hair-curling bigoted talk. How do I know what their occupations were? One would have to be deaf to not hear them brag about their huge retirement checks and benefits.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:01 am on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Joanne Bobin posted at 11:26 am on Thu, Nov 17, 2011... I have always known that Ms. Parigoris was one of the "bigots around every corner" here in Lodi, but her post today proves it beyond a doubt.

    I I am not mistaken, Ms Bobin is very hostile in calling Kim a bigot... I thought Ms Bobin was trying to be a bully by intimidating Kim... maybe I am wrong.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:59 am on Sat, Apr 14, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Miller stated...When I said "despising Republicans," the context I meant was that I despise career Republican politicians, the so-called "ruling elite" and, of course, of either party.

    Thank you Mr. Miller. I appreciate the clarification.

    However, I think you have not followed Ms Bobin well. Ill post a few that to me, says much.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:11 pm on Fri, Apr 13, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Ms. Bobbin,
    Regarding your post a 1:08PM

    Are you saying you have never defended the Obama admin and never contended that our current economic mess is solely the fault of the GW Bush Admin?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:54 pm on Fri, Apr 13, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    With Ms. Bobbin as Head Fillibusterer at many of the council meetings,
    no wonder there is so much gridlock in Lodi.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:49 pm on Fri, Apr 13, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830


    Ms. Bobbin WROTE: posted at 6:20 am on Thu, Apr 12, 2012

    As for your claim that you "despise the Republicans "almost" as much as the Democrats," that is CLEARLY contradicted by the venomous anti-Democrat comments made continuously by Ms. Parigoris in this forum. And I won't even go into the many racially charged, inappropriate comments she has made. She has framed herself as a very biased person in many aspects.

    -Honestly Ms. Bobbin, are you saying you did not post this paragraph in your comment? And are you also saying YOU have NEVER framed yourself as a very biased person in many aspects?

     
  • Ed Miller posted at 2:54 pm on Fri, Apr 13, 2012.

    Ed946 Posts: 70

    Ms Bobin,
    Non-partisan means, in the context of a 501(c)(3), that the group is prohibited for endorsing, promoting or supporting financially a political party or candidate - that is what PACs do. That does not mean that we are prohibited from evaluating the job a party, an administration or a politician is doing. Again, the Democrats are in power now, so they are the ones getting evaluated. When the Republicans were in power, they were evaluated and criticized. Personally, the Bush-era Republicans did some things right and a lot of things wrong; I said so at the time (was not writing at the time). I was very glad to see him go. Yes, the Bush administration and the Republicans in Congress must take part of the blame for the economic meltdown - they properly saw it coming but did not raise cane to stop... That is not say the present administration is any better almost four years into the term..

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:08 pm on Fri, Apr 13, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    First, Mr. Miller, thank you for the links - I will take a look at them this weekend when I have a bit more time. I really do want to understand how Lodi Citizens in Action fits into the 501(c)(4) category.

    Just an additional comment on your comment quoted below:

    "On Ms. Parigoris, you two basically do not get along and I understand that - both of you feel strongly about your positions. However, her statements may have lead you to believe she "loves" Republicans, while nothing could be further than the truth. She probably despises them more than I do."

    With my current understanding of your organization - if it actually is non-partisan, Ms. Parigoris does not seem to be supporting that contention with her comments since they are mostly anti-Democrat. I do not dislike, Mr. Parigoris, I dislike her vicious attacks on liberals and Democrats that are out of line with the stated tenets of your organization. She has, in the past, defended the GW Bush administration and contended that our current economic mess is solely the fault of the current president.

    It is this disparity between stated non-partisan positions and actual statements with which I disagree.

    It is unfortunate that Mr. Baumbach has decided to distance himself from Lodi Citizens in Action due to your comment as he has been quite a supporter of Ms. Parigoris's opinions in this forum. He obviously had the same pro-Republican perception of Ms. Parigoris as myself.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:54 pm on Fri, Apr 13, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Docktor wrote: "She has framed herself as a very biased person in many aspects.

    -Chuckle,

    Ms. Bobbin speaks of bias as always a bad thing. That being said, if we were to advance this logic, she must be a bad person too."

    YOU, Mr. Docktor, obviously, are writing about something that has nothing to do with the point I made. You are NOT clever and seem to be in the same category as Mr. Baumbach with his "I'm rubber, you're glue," sing-song and his schoolyard "If that's what YOU are, what am I?" constructs. Both of which should be ignored.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:48 pm on Fri, Apr 13, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "Ms Bobin is only a bully who sees bigots around every corner in Lodi. ( her words, not mine)"

    Error - those are your words, Mr. Baumbach. I never stated I was a bully. That is YOUR accusation. And if you consider standing up for myself being a bully, you have a very strange concept of reality.

    MY original comment was, when someone, most likely Mr. Baumbach, declared Lodi was free of racism and bigotry, I stated that "there are bigots around every corner in Lodi." There are clearly bigots in this forum and I have encountered many around town over the past 35 years. I am sorry if you do not like that statement, but it is reality. Obviously, you did not garner much support in opposition to my statement when you wrote your letter to the editor imploring people to counter that perception.

    Mr. Baumbach, as is his wont for falsehoods and fabrication, has expanded that comment into his own interpretation which he continually uses in order to besmirch my character, And, ironically, he is always accusing others of besmirching people's characters when he is one of the biggest progenitors of besmirchment in this forum.

     
  • Ed Miller posted at 12:11 pm on Fri, Apr 13, 2012.

    Ed946 Posts: 70

    Mr Baumbach,
    My apologies, I abbreviated my terms too much in replying to Ms Bobin. When I said "despising Republicans," the context I meant was that I despise career Republican politicians, the so-called "ruling elite" and, of course, of either party. One of the few things that Nancy Pelosi has ever said that I agree with is (paraphrasing) "there is little difference between Republican and Democratic" politicians. I have no problem with Republican or, for that matter, Democratic voters/citizens. Even though I disagree with Ms Bobin, she has a right to her views and I respect that. I actually, I do not view Ms Bobin as "a bully." She comes on strong but so does Ms Parigoris. Voicing opposing views is what this country is about and why it has achieved greatness; i.e., because of all the ideas out there, some good, some not so good. Again, I apology for miscommunicating.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:27 am on Fri, Apr 13, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    My the way Mr Miller, I was going to attend your May meeting after I return from Thailand. However with your statement that Kim and yourself desprise Republicans, I have reconsidered. I disagree with many Republicans on certain issues... but despise them? ... Not my cup of "tea".

    I personally do not despise Republicans or Democrats. I am opposed to any policy or legislation that tends to restrict freedom of choice when my choice does not hurt others. I also fight against people who attempt to implement those policies.

    Ms Bobin is only a bully who sees bigots around every corner in Lodi. ( her words, not mine)

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:14 am on Fri, Apr 13, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin is yelling fire when there is not one in sight... May I suggest Ms Bobin should be ignored.

    I think it matters not if hers or Mr Miller's interpretation is correct. The issue is. what is the nature of the organization that Mr Miller represents and what are they doing. What they could do is not relevant to what they are doing.

    So if they actually are independent and not backing Republicans, who cares a wit if they could. This is an obvious distraction and a non issue.

    Maybe you should join the group and participate Ms Bobin... you could be the chairman of truth...it should be right up your alley since they despise Republicans.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 11:10 pm on Thu, Apr 12, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Mr. Miller,

    Is it just me, or doesn't it seem to you too that Ms. Bobbin's M.O. is to fillibuster so the discussion cannot move forward with any progress?

     
  • Ed Miller posted at 10:55 pm on Thu, Apr 12, 2012.

    Ed946 Posts: 70

    Ms Bobin,

    On the national leadership question, it does not matter how they are classified with the IRS. This is true grassroots movement and each group does what they believe is best. That is often problematic to co-ordinate anything and confusing the the public, but that is the way it is. Specifically to the Mark Meckler question, I know for certain that he resigned because of nasty ethics issues on the national board including departure from the tenets. His resignation is a testimonial to his personal ethics. .

    On Ms. Parigoris, you two basically do not get along and I understand that - both of you feel strongly about your positions. However, her statements may have lead you to believe she "loves" Republicans, while nothing could be further than the truth. She probably despises them more than I do. And, for sure, she is NOT a racist.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 10:38 pm on Thu, Apr 12, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Ms. Bobbin,

    Why don't YOU just end YOUR charade and just admit that YOU support the Democrat agenda instead of making believe you are looking out for everyone.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 10:34 pm on Thu, Apr 12, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Frankly,

    I don't know why anyone would be opposed to local governments having nore power since they are much more in tune with local issues. Those in favor of the Feds telling local governments when and how to spend local taxpayer money doesn't make a bit of sense to me.

     
  • Ed Miller posted at 10:33 pm on Thu, Apr 12, 2012.

    Ed946 Posts: 70

    Ms Bobin,

    On the 501(c)(4) issue, I went to the site address you provided and it was very difficult to sift through the information. I then searched on Google and found a similar but more readable article interpreting the IRS rules: http://www.irs.gov/charities/nonprofits/article/0,,id=155031,00.html
    * Under “Exempt Organizations” I clicked on Political Organizations and IRC 501(c)(4).
    * It says, in part at section "3. Basis for Exemption A. Political Educational Organizations
    IRC 501(c)(4) requires that organizations operate primarily in promoting in
    some way the common good and general welfare of the people of the community.
    To meet this requirement, many IRC 501(c)(4) organizations engage in educating
    the community….Generally, political educational organizations must conduct their activities in a non-partisan manner.”

    Those are the rules we follow as best we can. In local and regional meetings, many proposed actions are filtered against this standard and are rejected. Even so, we get “burned.” Several years ago, many 501(c)(4) education groups thought it a good idea to encourage candidates to speak before our groups. Problem was many would not agree to speak. Our worst example was allowing Assemblywoman Huber to speak after her Republican opponent declined. Her campaign staff later claimed that we endorsed her. Now, most groups, including ours, will not allow partisan politicians of any party to speak before our members.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 10:25 pm on Thu, Apr 12, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    http://blog.lib.umn.edu/wegne119/myblog/


    Most everyone has what is called a "bias blind spot", which is the tendency to see yourself as less biased than other people. This happens because most people don't recognize their own opinion as a bias at all. People rationalize their own opinion about something as the correct one, but fail to see that it still is, correct or not, a biased opinion. Now, not knowing that you are actually having bias in every opinion that you have ever had isn't necessarily a bad thing. Bias is actually caused by people having so much information that could be used to make a better decision, and the bias comes in to play to simplify things down for quicker thoughts and decisions. This can be problematic, obviously, because it can lead you to make rash and sometimes poor decisions.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 10:19 pm on Thu, Apr 12, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Indeed Ms. Bobbin has a bias against the Tea Party. And in all fairness to her, that is her right. And in all fairness to those biased in favor of the Tea Party, that is their right.
    Clearly, the Democratic Party does not have the desire to form a party within their party to reign in big government. In all actuality, in the interest of the DP, this would be counterintuative.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 10:08 pm on Thu, Apr 12, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Ms Bobbin wrote:

    She has framed herself as a very biased person in many aspects.

    -Chuckle,

    Ms. Bobbin speaks of bias as always a bad thing. That being said, if we were to advance this logic, she must be a bad person too.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:20 am on Thu, Apr 12, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Miller:

    The information I cited below regarding 501(c)(4) groups comes directly from the IRS website.

    According to their website, there is no "education group" designation under that IRS code. Under 501(c)(3), education groups do exist, but your organization does not fall under the descriptions listed.

    Perhaps you should find out from your national TEA Party Patriots whether you are actually an education group, or whether that is what they want you to think.

    As I stated below, the quotation comes directly from the IRS and their website has information that clearly indicates that 501(c)(4) organizations can engage in political campaigns.

    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopici03.pdf

    If you have information from the IRS that contradicts that, please post it here for my edification.

    As for your claim that you "despise the Republicans "almost" as much as the Democrats," that is CLEARLY contradicted by the venomous anti-Democrat comments made continuously by Ms. Parigoris in this forum. And I won't even go into the many racially charged, inappropriate comments she has made. She has framed herself as a very biased person in many aspects.

    I have mentioned before that I DO appreciate the time and energy YOU have taken to attend city council meetings and you have been very informative in that aspect. Please keep up your vigilance with regard to local activities.

     
  • Ed Miller posted at 10:58 pm on Wed, Apr 11, 2012.

    Ed946 Posts: 70

    Ms. Bobin,
    I honestly do not know where you get your information. I am not a lawyer but our understanding is that we are not allowed to back political parties nor partisan politicians as a 501(c)(4) "education" group, period. We can provide “grade cards” for each candidate based on past performance and that is it. Other Tea Party groups are registered such that they can and do back Republicans; we do not and cannot legally. Facts be known, we despise the Republicans almost as much as the Democrats. Both see themselves as the “ruling elite” in our view. As voters, generally, the Republican candidate is the lesser of evils, but most of us would vote “none of the above” if that were a choice. As for statements condemning actions of Democrats, think about it, the Dems are the party in present control and the one causing the problems. If and when the Republicans are in power, we will unload on them; guaranteed they are expert problem creators, too. You should attend the Lodi City Council meetings if you want find out how bad both parties are in this state. As was represented by the visiting speaker last Tuesday morning, the environment in Sacramento is “gang-like” in both parties. Either you go with the leadership or your own party politically assassinates you. Since they are all career politicians, they fold. I have a feeling you are as disgusted with the behavior of state government politicians as we are. The Feds are about the same.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:33 pm on Wed, Apr 11, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    And this anti-Democratic rant from another thread. Lodi Citizens in Action has lost all credibility with the "not being affiliated with any party" nonsense with the constant rants from Ms. Parigoris. Why not end the charade and just admit that you, too, support the Republican agenda instead of making believe you are looking out for everyone.

    "California lost twice as many businesses in 2011, as were lost in 2010. Intel has said they will never build another plant here and Apple announced that they will build a huge plant in North Carolina- these are companies founded here that have obviously decided that doing business in Calfiornia is not a prudent decision. Duboous climate change ,and the Democrats and Sierra Club members that embrace its dogma, are going to prove to be the demise of this once great state. AB32 is going to cost the taxpayers of California 450 billion dollars by 2020- passed by Democrats (yes,signed by RINO Schwarzenegger Mr Bobin- beat you to the punch) SB375 extorts our counties and city governments by withholding transportation dollars unless it is for Transit Oriented Development (Smart Growth) Passed by Democrats. mandates made by Democrats state that we have to have 30% renewable energy by 2020. With solar plants shutting down left and right because of bankruptcy, windmills on the radar because of bird deaths, and plans to tear down 4 dams up north- what is going to be renewable- rubbing 2 sticks together? No, that would use trees...Yes, the Dems are just doing a fantastic job of running this state.."

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:28 pm on Wed, Apr 11, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Interesting - the "Patriot's" wrote in their first column:

    "our Lodi group aligns itself with the Tea Party Patriots (TPPs). The Patriots are unique from the others because we are a 501(c)(4) "education group." That means we are prohibited by federal law from affiliation with or funding from any political party or Political Action Committee."

    But, they neglected to say:

    "IRC 501(c)(4), (c)(5), and (c)(6) organizations may engage in political
    campaigns on behalf of or in opposition to candidates for public office provided
    that such intervention does not constitute the organization's primary activity."

    and from an article on Mark Meckler, co-founder of the national organization in February of this year:

    "Tea Party Patriots co-founder Mark Meckler told The Daily Caller that he resigned his leadership position with the grassroots organization last week out of frustration with how money is being spent and how closely the group has aligned itself with Republicans."

    "In an interview, Meckler — a well-known figure in the movement — cited, as an example, how Tea Party Patriots spent $250,000 to sponsor the Southern Republican Leadership Conference presidential debate in South Carolina this year."

    That must be why there are constant negative references to "progressives," i.e., "Progressives complain that the Constitution is too limiting to allow their agenda." and " Has it become tyrannical? Progressives would say no."


     

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