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Mitt Romney’s campaign lies are quite blatant

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Posted: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 6:30 am, Tue Aug 28, 2012.

Candidates telling lies in political campaigns is not entirely new. There is a long history in this country replete with candidates who exaggerate, mislead, and frankly lie about their opponents, their opponent's policies, and their own policies.

However, in the current presidential campaign, the ability of Mitt Romney to constantly make statements which have no factual basis is alarming, especially because the mainstream media often fails to call him on these lies — and when these are told often enough, people actually believe them.

Paul Krugman on the left said that no candidate has ever "lied so freely, with so little compunction." On the right, Daniel Larison of the American Conservative has concluded that Romney is "so contemptuous of the people he tells lies to that he never thinks he will be found out."

Apologists for the former Massachusetts governor will say, "Everyone does it." However, the extent of the lies and the absolute refusal for the Romney campaign to recant these lies even after the lie has been disproven is a methodology that is uniquely Romney. And the allegation that "everyone does it" does not make lying morally acceptable.

Philosopher Immanuel Kant said that lying was always morally wrong. However, today lying seems to be a generally accepted practice. There are many reasons that lying is immoral. One important reason in the context of a political campaign is that a lie makes it difficult for a person lied to to make a free and informed decision. It robs that person of their freedom to choose rationally.

Romney's lies have been well-documented, and now even the sleeping giant of the media seems to have awakened to the more outrageous lies promulgated by his campaign. One of the latest untruths is the allegation that President Obama has "stolen $700 billion from Medicare." Actually, the president has cut $700 billion in future Medicare payments to private insurance companies that administer Medicare benefits, and to hospitals, nursing homes and other providers. Maybe now we won't be required to pay $25 for a box of Kleenex at the hospital.

Romney claims that this money would reduce benefits. That is a lie that has been totally discredited and debunked by everyone from Politifact, a non-partisan fact-checking organization, to the Washington Post. What is so incredibly hypocritical is that Romney and running mate Paul Ryan have been demanding just these sorts of spending cuts to Medicare, and Ryan's budget plan included those same "cuts."

However, their solution would not just cut Medicare — it would replace it with a voucher system which would give seniors a voucher to purchase a plan of their own. And when the amount of the voucher is exceeded...

A startling Romney lie was the video showing Obama saying, "If we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose." What the video did NOT say was that the entire Obama quote was, "Senator McCain's campaign actually said, and I quote: 'If we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose.'" Romney portrayed the statement as if Obama was talking about his own campaign. Shameful.

Another lie was the welfare ad. Romney insisted that Obama eliminated the work requirement in the new welfare law. The law actually requires documentation that the work placement of recipients improve. The Washington Post reported, "The Obama administration is not removing the bill's work requirements at all." According to the New York Times, the ad is "blatantly false." Politifact rated the ad claims as "Pants on Fire."

Romney claims that there are "no new jobs under Obama." When Obama took office, we were shedding 800,000 jobs per month, losing 3 million the first four months, thanks to the Bush policies of tax increases for the wealthy, two wars and an unfunded prescription drug program. In the last 22 months, the country has added 3.2 million private sector jobs. No new jobs?

Romney claims that Obama "went around the world and apologized for America." The Washington Post fact-checker stated: "The claim that Obama has apologized for America is not borne out by the facts."

The Justice Department filed a lawsuit in Ohio to require in-person voting for all Ohians during the three days prior to election day. The law previously applied only to the military, and therefore Obama wanted to extend that right to ALL Ohians. According to Romney, however, this lawsuit somehow was to deny servicemen and women early voting. That was a real whopper.

Ryan claimed that he never requested funds from the federal stimulus package, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. He called it a "wasteful spending spree." However, in 2009 Ryan wrote four letters to the Department of Energy requesting stimulus money, including requesting millions for a Wisconsin firm, and in 2010 he asked the Department of Labor for more stimulus funds. To his credit, he later acknowledged the four letters, but then blamed his staff for writing them, although he signed them.

A campaign built on a foundation of lies says something about character.

Dwight D. Eisenhower said, "The supreme quality for leadership is unquestionably integrity. Without it, no real success is possible no matter whether it is on a section gang, a football field, in an army, or in an office."

Adolf Hitler said, "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."

And Groucho Marx said, "These are my principles, and if you don't like them ... Well, I have others."

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235 comments:

  • stan taves posted at 10:18 am on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 302

    "Truth", it used to be more black and white in a time gone by. This much is true: it is the left that gave us all the many gradations of truth. For instance: If Ms Neely were honest then she would admit that calling Romney a liar is much easier for her than actually pursuing the truth. The point is that an actual pursuit of the truth ( defining things in black and white ) is foreign to liberals -- that's what happens when you see the world in "greys".

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:59 am on Tue, Sep 11, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1271

    Apparently you didn't get that weasel head liebich...

    Your continual use of little icons is equally unbecoming and juvenile.

    And it's good you found a friend who will agree with you 100% of the time.
    A@#berger's sufferers find it so hard to find and keep friends. If you're going to get mad at him, let him go now, before he makes plans.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 5:16 pm on Mon, Sep 10, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1271

    Jerome, I couldn't agree more. Liebich: Did you get that, stop using the emoticons. You're losing and looking foolish at the same time.

    Also, just to make sure, I googled part of Jerome's post and it doesn't appear to have been lifted from someone else. Did you get that liebich?

    And Jerome, I also agree, all the crap on either side of the posts drags loading on way way too long.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 9:48 am on Mon, Sep 10, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2255

    I don’t know, the use of those emoticons isn’t all that bad. But if one is to criticize another for their usage simply because they’re on the losing side of an argument, they should be equally incensed by the use of these ridiculous little faces by those on their side of the debates going on here.[sad]

    I would rather the LNS not provide such “tools” and pay better attention to the sluggishness of the comments section as they grow longer (this column an excellent example). A simple break in posts at 25 or so would probably solve the problem. [smile]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 4:54 pm on Sun, Sep 9, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1271

    You have sunk to "I know you are, what am I..." school yard debating style. Very immature. And at this level, pathetic. Your continual use of little icons is equally unbecoming and juvenile.

    liebich, the sooner you know you're a conspiracy theorist and admit it, the sooner you can get help. Steadfastly maintaining the conspiracy theorist method is only digging yourself into a deeper and deeper hole. While you still appear to have even a slight amount of human dignity remaining, please look at what you've written everywhere since you showed up here. The world is not being ruled by the UN, 9/11 really happened the way everyone says it did. There is no government program to steal land, put psychoactive drugs in the atmosphere, seize my guns, install radio frequency pingers in all of us, osama bin laden wasn't killed in 2002, and every other nutty and kookie theory that comes out isn't true. None of it.

    Change not and you become like that lovable drunk on the Andy Griffith show, without the lovable drunk part. An Adam Dados, Daniel Hutchins, and all the contributors to our great start Saturday morning as we read letters from you and those listed above to bring a smile to our faces. And get some help for that syndrome. I doubt you'll ever be popular, but maybe everyone won't walk in the other direction or pick up their coats to leave when you show up.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 11:22 am on Sun, Sep 9, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1271

    And as usual, liebich couldn't even muster enough brain cells to write a single sentence rebuttal:

    "An ad hominem is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim. "

    http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4093072

    Oh, lots of contrails yesterday, no doubt the President is trying to lock in CA's electorial votes early.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:16 am on Sat, Sep 8, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2689

    An ad hominem is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim. [sleeping]

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 7:08 am on Sat, Sep 8, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1271

    My abilities are not in question. Your comportment is. And in that, you reveal your very low level of honor, fairness, and ability to distinguish right from wrong.

    Again, you get no support from others.

    Again, when you show up, the party ends. Everyone else has somewhere else to be. Have you noticed this in real life? It's just part of your disease. You can seek and get treatment, but by now the damage is done. You are an outcast.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 2:15 pm on Thu, Sep 6, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2689

    Your inability to admit basic facts isn't MY problem... [sleeping]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:17 am on Thu, Sep 6, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Lucas stated...Darrell, I learned long ago it is a waste of time getting angry at any form of stupidity. Do not worry, I will never be angry at you.

    Mr Lucas, your claim has absolutely no credibility considering the animosity, passion and anger that is so obvious. No one uses the vocabulary and make accusations like you do without anger. Your focus and blame is squarely on conservatives and you see this group as responsible for all the ills you perceive.

    Please understand that I have no worry if you are angry or not. I simply think it limits your ability to be objective and thoughtful. It is unfortunate as you appear to be an intelligent man who has much to offer.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:06 am on Thu, Sep 6, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Darrell, I learned long ago it is a waste of time getting angry at any form of stupidity. Do not worry, I will never be angry at you.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 10:00 am on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    John Lucas posted: "You just cannot fix stupid"

    Just when I was ready to write John Lucas off as a mental case, he surprised me by admitting his thinking ability. Now I just feel sorry for him. Although I suspected as much, who really knew? Now, if only the rest of the liberals will do the honorable thing and fess up like John did......

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:27 am on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    I am reminded of the line from the move A Few Good Men, "You can't handle the TRUTH".

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:40 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Lucas... stated... I was not angry. I was just stating a fact...

    Then...in his same post stated...you merit being called out for what you are. A small minded, mean spirited, person without an ounce of integrity

    [lol] You noy angry?... it is beyond that. You are now foaming at the mouth. I sincerely feel sorry for you.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 6:15 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Darrell, my company had people employed by UNION companies applying for work all of the time. We paid a comparable wage, free healthcare, profit sharing, matching retirement fund for all employees, merit salary increases and promotions and NO UNION DUES. Instead of blowing millions of dollars, extorted from employees, for bribing politicians and funding campaigns, our profits went to expansion (more employees) , modernization and funding employee healthcare and retirement. Oh yeah, "I did build it MYSELF", the arrogant nerve of BS Obama to even insinuate someone else did it for me makes me want to vomit every time I see his face.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 4:35 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Speeches don't make a country great, ACTIONS do. If slick BS speeches like Obama makes worked, America would not only be out of the financial chaos, the budget would be balanced, everyone would have a job making big bucks, cars would be getting 100 MPG, gas would be just $1/Gallon, the US wouldn't be involved in any wars and Guantanamo would be closed . So much for talk, time for somone else with real financial experience to take the reins that can act instead if blow smoke.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 3:10 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Typical Conservative Republican. Big on the talk not any good on the walk. From the way you talk this would be chump change to you. I guess you cannot afford it or is it that you cannot stand the idea of me taking your money?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:48 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    I was not angry. I was just stating a fact. I am not angry now but amused at what a say, little human being you are. You stated:

    Since Mr Lucas admits to not having any experience in merit
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    I admitted no such thing. I have a feeling I forgot more than you will ever know about the subject. What I do know is that you merit being called out for what you are. A small minded, mean spirited, person without an ounce of integrity. (please add that to your list that you keep in your database)

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:43 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    If you earn $30,000/yr and spend it all, then borrow $5,000 but only spend $3,000 does that mean you have a $2,000 surplus? EXACTLY the same scenario that Clinton pulled to get his "surplus". Liberals continue to believe the lie because they want to sooo bad.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:35 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Robert Chapman said:
    I wouldn't bet your welfare check that Obama isn't going to be unemployed come January.
    -----------------------------------------------------------
    I got $10,000 that says Obama wins the election. How about putting your money where your mouth is Robert? If you think I am kidding try me. Lets see if you got any real cojones. [smile]

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:27 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    If you really want to waste your money, send to Obama, he surely needs it worse than I do.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:24 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    I wonder when Obama will tap Jesus to make a campaign video? Perhaps he will settle for the Prophet Muhammad instead.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:20 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    I stand corrected, after Obama leaned on government agencies to purchase Chevy Volts, the actual taxpayer cost per each has dropped just below $200,000 each. Wonder why Ford was able to survive without government bailout? Now the UAW owns 33% of General Motors and Obama used OUR money to sell it to them.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:17 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Too bad liberal dimwits can't/won't research to get to the truth. There is plenty of information available about Clinton's "surplus" from both liberal and conservative publications. They just rely on what their liberal mouthpieces spew for their "rock solid" information. Sadly, these same people are allowed to vote.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 12:13 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    OOOOH, someone sounds JEALOUS...My wife of 44 years got a kick out of you calling her my "sleepy-by little bunny" but you can bet I will give her a hug from you.
    I tow a Ford Escape Hybrid (no government bailout money) for day trips and store runs. What kind of hybrid do you own Joanne? Oh yeah, I forgot you bought a Chevy Volt from Obama Motors that cost American taxpayers a fortune to produce. Enjoy beiing "Stuck in Lodi"........

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:07 am on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Ms Lucas stated...Ayn Randian paradise that is rumbling through that little brain of yours.

    size matters to Mr Lucas... how superficial. I can see why Mr Lucas perfers to avoid "merit" as he would rather talk about the size of something that the merit of an idea or thought.

    I wonder if Mr Lucas will ever learn that size does not matter, it is one's heart , soul, and wisdom that brings value to the table. I will continue to address ideas and thoughts while Mr Lucas enjoys his childish name calling.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:00 am on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Lucas stated with anger...You obviously have not had many jobs in your life. This is the real world not some Ayn Randian paradise that is rumbling through that little brain of yours.

    Mr Lucas is right, I have not had many jobs in my life as I have owned my on businesses- to me, was not a job at all. However, my work for many years has been in the employee benefit world in which I have met with thousands of employers over the decades and reviewed benefits ( insurance, pensions and deferred compensation ) for their company and employees. I have had many conversations with HR departments as well as people who hire and fire employees.

    I know from these people what they offer their employees. I have always appreciated and admired employers who base their decisions on merit ( which happens often). Since Mr Lucas admits to not having any experience in merit, it is no wonder he is uneducated as to this matter.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:48 am on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    You obviously have not had many jobs in your life. This is the real world not some Ayn Randian paradise that is rumbling through that little brain of yours.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:40 am on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Try listening to what I said:

    Robert do you do anything but attack people?
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    The point I was making that is just about all he does. What little he states otherwise is generally lies from that alternate universe of the Conservative blogosphere.

    As to attacking the stupidity, selfishness, greed, meanness , and complete and utter lack of integrity of Conservative Republicans like you, Joe B., Robert etc I plead
    guilty. I Have watched what your ideas have done to my country.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:38 am on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4306

    Sadly, he does believe it. Much like his little stuffed bunny he cuddles at sleepy-by time, it soothes him in some perverted way.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:09 am on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Lucas stated.... Employees for the most part are not paid because of "merit".

    Humm... let me help Mr Lucas along. His lack of experience is blatant. He obviously is a good thinker but sadly misguided and uninformed.

    When it comes to workers all over the United States, union workers are “never” paid on merit. The quality of work is not considered at all. Unions force employers to pay a wage based on factors that
    have nothing to do with how good a job the workers do.

    Private sector non union businesses can pay workers based on merit. An employer who wants his business to make money will reward productive employees with bonuses, pay raises, and promotions. Many employers implement deferred compensation packages for selected productive employees based on that employee's economic value to the business.
    Unions create an adversarial environment where workers resent their employer and work against the best interest of the company. Mr Lucas substantiates this point by saying, “employees are paid as little as the employer can get away with” as if employers do not appreciate employees.

    Clearly, Mr Lucas is so one sided that he cannot possibly comprehend what I just posted... no way.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:38 am on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Lucas with a straight face stated...Robert do you do anything but attack people?
    Why is his statement so comical????? Could it be Mr Lucas is king of personal attacks? Or,
    Maybe, it is because of how Mr Lucas treats people he disagrees with... the following are posted on this thread alone that came from the mind of Mr Lucas...
    1. Mitt Romney is a pathological liar
    2. I cannot believe you are this stupid. ( To Brian)
    3. Are we like you, Pat, Darrell and the other knuckle draggers here?
    4. you are not the brightest bulb on the planet
    5. you are even dumber than I thought you were
    6. I know that is pointless to hammer you idiots.. but I'm tired of cowards.
    7. Always in weeds are you Brain?
    8. Of course Republican thinking is an oxymoron.
    9. It takes talent to write 117 words and say absolutely nothing.
    10. I am sorry that you could not get past the 5th grade Darrell but you know education is not for everyone.
    11. Prevarication is a requirement for any modern day Republican.
    12. Getting your facts straight does not seem to be high on the list your things to do. Oh, sorry, I forgot that you are a Republican. That explains it all.( all Republicans are liars)
    13. Republican Conservative Christians best hope is that Jesus was a fraud.
    14. Are you guys on drugs? If you are they are really good ones.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 7:19 am on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Dkarrell, I wish one of these LIBERAL stooges would define "middle class". Is it the employee making over $70/hr (including benefits) as a union employee for the auto industry, or is it the guy selling appliances at Sears at substantially less? I sold my business some years ago, my employees were certainly well paid and my company picked up the total cost of their healthcare, a benefit that cost more than $3.6 million the last year I owned the business. Oh yeah, no UNION involved either.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:37 pm on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    My question for you Robert is do you actually believe the BS you just wrote? You and Mr. Baxter need to come back to the real world. Maybe... Are you guys on drugs? If you are they are really good ones.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:32 pm on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    That is bs of course. I notice you did not answer4 my other arguments.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:29 pm on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Robert do you do anything but attack people? I notice you did not name anything Jesus said that goes along with your Conservative politics. I can name many but feed the poor and help the sick come to mind. Republican Conservative Christians best hope is that Jesus was a fraud because he will not be happy with their behavior and beliefs if he is for real. You may be able to bs each other in this life but I have a feeling the standards for integrity are different in the next..

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:22 pm on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Robert Chapman said:

    I wouldn't bet your welfare check that Obama isn't going to be unemployed come January.
    -----------------------------------------------------------

    I got $10,000 that says Obama wins the election. How about putting your money where your mouth is Robert? If you think I am kidding try me. Lets see if you got any real cojones.[smile]

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 7:04 pm on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Hmmm, I wonder how many liberals are driving around in a news Chevy Volt that cost the taxpayers about $240,000 each to build?

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 7:02 pm on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    If Clinton did indeed have a true "surplus", the National Debt would have decreased. Didn't happen. The National Debt increased every year of his tenure. His "surplus" was made up of loans from Social Security, Medicare, Military Retirement funds and half a dozen more NON-BUDGET funds. In truth, he left GWB a over a 16 Billion dollar deficit. Like Mr. Baxter said, Clinton "cooked the books" because he wanted his legacy to appear he left a surplus,,,,,,I guess he figured that most Americans were too stupid to figure out the truth. Apparently it is just the liberals that either can't figure it out or just want to believe the lie.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 4:54 pm on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    I wouldn't bet your welfare check that Obama isn't going to be unemployed come January.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:41 pm on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Typical Republican mudding of the water. The fact is because of the President's action the auto industry was save and has come back strong. If we had followed Republican Conservative thinking millions more jobs would have lost and plants closed. It was not enough for Republicans to have us lose 800,000 jobs a month at the end of 8 years of Conservative policies. They wanted the auto industry to die also. They almost all voted against the bailout. I often wonder about what Conservatives really want. If you look at their policies one would have to conclude they will not be happy until all working Americans are making $8 an hour

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 4:25 pm on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Jesus was a LIBERAL? Wow, what liberals won't do or say in an attempt to sanctify their party. That statement was so stupid, I am surprised Joe Biden himself didn't say it first. Does that make Obama the "chosen one"? What a crock.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:24 pm on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    poppycock. Conservative do not like unions and in reality do not like workers for they get in the way of making a bigger profit. No problem with that. My problem is that in your Ayn Rand childlike mind you think that is good for the economy. As you idiots keep hammering away at the average income of the American worker in time what happens is that there is no on left to buy anything. YOU CANNOT BE A ENTREPRENEUR IF THERE IS NO ONE TO SELL YOUR PRODUCTS TO. It is the flaw in your childlike vision of economic thinking.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 4:13 pm on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    You do not have to worry about anyone insulting your intelligence Darrell. Employees for the most part are not paid because of "merit". They are like paid as little as the employer can get away with. Unions are a way to balance this power. It is no accident that the decline of the unions goes hand in hand withe the decline of the middle class. Working people are making less in real terms because they have no bargaining power. A major reason for the record profits corporations have made since the republican caused crash of 2008 is competition in the labor force has allowed the corporations to pay people less and because high unemployment there is downward pressure on labor costs. This is on of the benefits of the 2008 crash caused by 8 years of insane Conservative policies.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 4:11 pm on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4306

    Baxter wrote: "Too bad he can't do like Clinton did and "cook the books" to show we now have a surplus instead of trillions in debt."

    So now you think Clinton "cooked the books" to show a surplus. Even your buddy GWB acknowledges there was a surplus.

    Baxter wrote: "He has already used fuzzy math accounting to figure crucial figures like unemployment and GM bailout, both of which are totally misleading."

    FYI - George Walker Bush authorized over 15 Billion for the first part of the auto industry bailout in December 2008. Easily found, Baxter.

    Mr. Lucas wrote: "You probably have many fine attributes Joe. Thinking, however, is not one of them. Getting your facts straight does not seem to be high on the list your things to do. Oh, sorry, I forgot that you are a Republican. That explains it all."

    You are too kind, Mr. Lucas. But being a Republican only explains part of it. Hate like Baxter's can only be explained by words other than "Republican."

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:56 pm on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4306

    Baxter wrote: "The same Kathleen Parker that called liberal feminists the "hirsute, Birkenstock-wearing sisterhood,"
    "Well, she got that part correct. Bobbin, I am sure, falls into that description."

    That just goes to show that SOME people have evolved in their thinking, unlike the Neanderthal Baxter who still believes that women should never have been given the vote.

    You forgot the rest of the story:

    "National Review writer Kathleen Parker calls liberal feminists the "hirsute, Birkenstock-wearing sisterhood," and, in a 2003 column supporting the Iraq war, included a letter from a "friend" who said, "These bastards like Clark and Kerry and that incipient ass, Dean, and Gephardt and Kucinich and that absolute mental midget Sharpton, race baiter, should all be lined up and shot."

    "Well, after Kathleen called for Palin to step down last week, those "friends" have been sending some hateful messages her way."

    "Parker went on Colbert last night to talk about 12,000 emails she got in response to her anti-Palin column. "One said my mother should have aborted me and left me in a dumpster," Parker said."

    At least now we know that two-faced conservatives support abortion in cases of HATE.

    You are a joke, Baxter!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:35 pm on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4306

    Delusional? A man with no religion - who has turned away from the religion into which he was born - is mocking Mr. Lucas for describing true Christianity, i.e., a large part of Jesus's message?

    How rich is that!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 3:29 pm on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4306

    Easily found on PolitiFact:

    "By December 2008, when President George W. Bush authorized nearly $14 billion in loans to General Motors and Chrysler, both of which were near financial collapse, GM had already warned it might close the Janesville plant because of sagging sport-utility vehicle sales. The plant was effectively shut down on Dec. 23, 2008, when GM ceased production of SUVs there and laid off 1,200 workers. (Several dozen workers stayed on another four months to finish an order of small- to medium-duty trucks for Isuzu Motors."

    So, the plant closed while Bush was still in office, about a month before Obama was inaugurated."

    Obama said, according to PolitiFact:

    "And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years. The question is not whether a clean energy economy is in our future, it’s where it will thrive. I want it to thrive right here in the United States of America; right here in Wisconsin; and that’s the future I’ll fight for as your president."

    PolitiFact's verdict:
    "We rate Ryan's statement False."

    I predicted over a week ago that the choice of Ryan as Romney's running mate would be as fatal as McCain's choice of Sarah Palin. Ryan couldn't even tell the truth about the ONE (as in one and only) marathon he ran - exaggerating his time by over an hour.

    Ryan is running in two separate races - one for his seat in the House of Representatives and one for the VP of the US. Aside from not being able to commit to one goal, it's a good thing - at least this professional politician will have a job when the Romney-Ryan tickets doesn't pan out.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:47 pm on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1795

    Easily found Obama quote, apparently Ryan told the TRUTH.
    In October 2008 Obama doubled down on his promise to keep Janesville plant open: "As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America"....In April 2009, four months after Obama was inaugurated, GM idled production of medium-duty trucks....Today the GM facility in Janesville still has not been retooled “so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs,” as Obama promised.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:54 pm on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Lucas stated… Your plan is so much better. We will get everyone making minimum wage…

    For a man that insults people’s intelligence on each post he makes, it is amazing he cannot comprehend basic reality. If there were no unions, work would be based on merit. People who work hard and do a good job would be paid more that those who do poor work and do not work hard. The idea that “EVERYONE” would be paid minimum wage without unions is absurd.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:40 pm on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Lucas...are you ok? This post gives the impression that you are delusional.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:36 pm on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Lucas stated... They drive up the price of labor paying people enough for a middle class life...

    Mr Lucas evidently is confused... Unions drive up the price of products and services when there is no relationship to quality of work performed to the wage given.
    Good union workers are sometimes underpaid while bad union workers are overpaid.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:44 am on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Yea, Unions are just terrible. They drive up the price of labor paying people enough for a middle class life. The middle class then buys more stuff making the economy grow and everyone including the rich are better off. Your plan is so much better. We will get everyone making minimum wage, they will not have any money to spend, the economy will worsen, we then can lay off a bunch of people and force the price of labor even lower in a never ending downward flush. Do you idiots ever think of the consequences of your ideas? You just cannot fix stupid.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:06 am on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    You are making the classic error that all liberals make. You think that Republicans think as you do. You are into science, experiment, looking to see what history teaches us. They are not. Liberals by their nature have a sense of gratitude about the gift of life. It is because you know that luck plays a huge part in your life that you want a strong safety net. You see others as yourself. Conservative are by their nature greedy and selfish. It is always someone screwing them over and they have absolutely no gratitude about the gift of life. They in a sense think they are God. They clap when someone suggests turning someone away from an emergency room because they have no insurance and can sit and watch them die. They clap at the thought of executing someone. They claim to be Christian but they really follow the ones that killed Jesus. Why? Because Jesus was most certainly a Liberal.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 11:02 am on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1795

    Unions need to meet the same fate as 8 track tapes. They have LONG outlived their usefulness in the work place, especially in this global economy. Anytime you can forcefully collect money out of someone's paycheck, other than taxpayer funded programs, it is disgraceful. Unions drive up the cost of everything they are involved with. They especially have no place in government agencies that use taxpayer dollars for payroll. Witness the MILLIONS they seem to have up and beyond the funds earmarked for union worker benefits. Extortion at its finest.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 10:31 am on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1271

    Do any of you find it odd that liebich feels the need to defend his plagiarism as SOP?
    Darrell doesn't do this. Jerome doesn't do this. Robert doesn't do this. Gary doesn't do this. Brian doesn't do this. Nor do Walter, Joanne, Steve, John, Manual, or myself.

    Why is it only liebich feels it ALWAYS necessary to steal the thoughts of others and try and pass them off as his own like he is some sort of intellectual rather than the third level hack he is? I suspect it might be slow (in the head) and has a lot of time in front of the computer. He also has Asberger's syndrome as well as being paranoid of any, and every thing that goes on in government, to the point of not moving on. His arguments are the same he made three months ago on the same topics. He's stuck. So I guess he's obsessive as well.

    For the record, I'm voting for Obama. Why any normal US citizen would want to go with Romney who will just try and bust unions (which gave us good working conditions, job security, decent pay and benefits) that the middle class all wants to ensure their and their family's security makes no sense what so ever.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:10 am on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    You probably have many fine attributes Joe. Thinking, however, is not one of them. Getting your facts straight does not seem to be high on the list your things to do. Oh, sorry, I forgot that you are a Republican. That explains it all.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:10 am on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4306

    Mr. Kinderman would benefit from reading Kathleen Parker's article in the latest edition of Newsweek in order to get some insight on how the Republican party is alienating its female members, including the disgust that female Representatives and Senators have for their male counterparts for delving into issues that are not vital to the survival of our economy. She reiterates much of that article in her Sunday column that appeared in the Record.

    And now poor Mitt Romney is receiving the lowest rating for an acceptance speech since 1996. Even John McCain got higher ratings.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 10:00 am on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1795

    I am thinking they would embrace mob rule over conservative Republican agenda. I would be interesting to see Obama make a case for his postive programs in the past 4 years. He seems to be running FROM his record instead of running ON his record. Too bad he can't do like Clinton did and "cook the books" to show we now have a surplus instead of trillions in debt. He has already used fuzzy math accounting to figure crucial figures like unemployment and GM bailout, both of which are totally misleading.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:08 am on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Robert, you have taken your mindless blather to a new level. Careful, you are in Darrell Baumbach territory [smile]

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 8:57 am on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Like I said, liberals are too dumb to realize socialism has been re-branded as liberalism. Wonder if they would embrace the Nazi party if it was called liberalism?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:32 am on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    He lied because he was suggesting that Obama was responsible for the closing of the plant when it was 8 years of Conservative policies that led to the near collapse of our economy, the closing of plants across America, the loss of 800,000 a month etc. Jerome in your Orwellian mind your leaders have may have told you to forget what was happening 4 years ago but Those people whose minds are based in reality will not forget. It is nothing short of a miracle that Obama has managed to stabilize the situation in light of the deliberate sabotage the Republicans have done in the last 3 1/2 years. I,for one, do not want to go back to 2008 when the fruit of Conservatism was on display for any rational person to see.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:17 am on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Interesting.
    I guess because KKK members vote Republican that means Republicans are KKK members. This is the argument you are making except you are equating Communism and Liberalism. This is fallacious reasoning
    Darrell, If you want to discuss an issue put it out there. This kind of reasoning you exhibit in the above post you should have left behind in the 8th grade.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 6:01 am on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    socialism |ˈsōSHəˌlizəm| noun
    a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

    liberalism
    1. a political or social philosophy advocating the f reedom of the individual, parliamentary legislatures, governmental assurances of civil liberties and individual rights, and nonviolent modification of institutions to permit continued individual and social progress.

    Only a moron thinks Liberalism equals Socialism

    In most of the so-called Socialist countries, especially Germany, Sweden, Norway, England ,Denmark etc, a person born into the lower or middle class has a better chance of upward mobility than we do. Their middle classes are more stable and are doing better than we are doing. Of course hey have not been saddled with this right-wing nonsense such as Reaganomics. Conservative ideas are a heavy load for any society to bear. Conservative ideas throughout history have had always led to income inequality so great that the economy eventually collapses and revolution follows. Conservatism also suffers from the fact that those who espouse it are generally stupid enough to say things like Liberalism equals Socialism"
    There is such a thing as reality. Mr Chapman you might try it sometime, you might like it.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:35 am on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Lucas brings up communist ideology... lets examine their modern day positions that are posted on a website promoting communism is United States... It is remarkable how much aligned this website promoting modern day communism is no different than progressive democrats and liberals...amazing.
    http://cpusa.org/communist-media-making-the-american-promise-real-for-everyone/

    1. a world where people and nature come before profits. That’s socialism. That’s our vision. We are a Communist Party in USA.
    2. the defeat of the right at the polls next year cannot be achieved on a pure anti-corporate basis, given the existing relationship of forces. The 99 per cent versus the 1 per cent is a good slogan and representation of economic reality, but it doesn't reflect the actual political balance of forces on the ground at this moment.
    3. labor will throw itself into the campaign to elect Democrats, moderate as well as progressive, albeit from its own organizational base. Four hundred thousand campaign volunteers are going to walk neighborhoods this fall.
    4. We helped expose Reagans dirty wars in Central America, lent a hand to tearing down apartheid in South Africa, marched against corporate globalization, celebrated the first same sex marriages in Massachusetts, reported peoples stories at Ground Zero in New York after 9/11 and at the site of the other great human tragedy New Orleans and Hurricane Katrina. And last year, week by week, we chronicled the issues and struggles that led to the great labor and peoples victory in November.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 5:26 am on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."
    Norman Thomas, 1944
    Socialism has never endured in any nation that embraced the ideology. Reagan, Bush,
    et al responsible for the European collapse? Liberals are unable to figure out that liberalism IS socialism.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:10 pm on Sun, Sep 2, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Jerome said:

    On the other hand, as one who loves the United States, I realize that liberalism and all that it brings with it is destructive to any Democratic Republic. The war I engage in is against that ideology and those who wish to spread it further.
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Liberalism is not an ideology. Conservatism, Communism, Fascism are all ideologies for they all start out with a set of ideas and go search for facts to back them up. Liberalism does the opposite. It starts with the facts and then comes up with a plan to deal with a problem. Liberalism came out of the Renaissance. It believes in science and experiment. I looks to history to see what works and what doe not. It came out of the 1000 years of the Dark ages when Conservatism and excess religiosity ruled the world. It has lifted mankind out of the hovel of what your ideas bring.
    I will just give one example. 4 years ago we were losing 800,000 jobs a month, the financial system was on the verge of collapse, The auto industry was on its knees, we were mired in a war with Iraq that was stupid beyond measure. These were brought on by 8 years of Conservative policies. what does the Republican party want to do? They want to implement the same policies only this time on steroids. Insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting different results.
    There has never been a country in the history of the world that has had a strong middle class that came about by Conservative ideas. They all came about with a progressive income tax, strong labor laws, strong financial regulations and Keynesian economics.
    It has taken 30 years of Reaganomics to hallow out the middle class and nearly destroy our financial system. It is only a testament to the above Liberal ideas that built up such a strong economy that it did not happen sooner.
    I am not really worried. If Romney wins and implements his Conservative ideas it will only be a matter of time before the economy will blow up. In the end liberalism will win because it is based on reality.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:39 pm on Sun, Sep 2, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1271

    Nobody watches these stupid you tube videos. Get a clue.

     
  • Mike Adams posted at 6:37 pm on Sun, Sep 2, 2012.

    Mike Adams Posts: 1271

    Further proof (already a mountain) Liebich cheats:

    http://www.infowars.com/40-points-that-prove-that-barack-obama-and-mitt-romney-are-essentially-the-same-candidate/

    I bet somewhere, he's claiming he wrote the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence!

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:11 pm on Sun, Sep 2, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2689

    Please consider the REASON Ron Paul is "unelectable"...

    http://youtu.be/keWX55SpYmU

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 6:08 pm on Sun, Sep 2, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2689

    Those that are dreaming of a major change in direction if Romney is elected are going to be bitterly, bitterly disappointed.

    The following are 40 ways that Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are essentially the same candidate….

    1. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported TARP.

    2. Mitt Romney supported Barack Obama’s “economic stimulus” packages.

    3. Mitt Romney says that Barack Obama’s bailout of the auto industry was actually his idea.

    4. Neither candidate supports immediately balancing the federal budget.

    5. They both believe in big government and they both have a track record of being big spenders while in office.

    6. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both fully support the Federal Reserve.

    7. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are both on record as saying that the president should not question the “independence” of the Federal Reserve.

    8. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both said that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke did a good job during the last financial crisis.

    9. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both felt that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke deserved to be renominated to a second term.

    10. Both candidates oppose a full audit of the Federal Reserve.

    11. Both candidates are on record as saying that U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has done a good job.

    12. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both been big promoters of universal health care.

    13. Mitt Romney was the one who developed the plan that Obamacare was later based upon.

    14. Wall Street absolutely showers both candidates with campaign contributions.

    15. Neither candidate wants to eliminate the income tax or the IRS.

    16. Both candidates want to keep personal income tax rates at the exact same levels for the vast majority of Americans.

    17. Both candidates are “open” to the idea of imposing a Value Added Tax on the American people.

    18. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the TSA is doing a great job.

    19. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the NDAA.

    20. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the renewal of the Patriot Act.

    21. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the federal government should be able to indefinitely detain American citizens that are considered to be terrorists.

    22. Both candidates believe that American citizens suspected of being terrorists can be killed by the president without a trial.

    23. Barack Obama has not closed Guantanamo Bay like he promised to do, and Mitt Romney actually wants to double the number of prisoners held there.

    24. Both candidates support the practice of “extraordinary rendition”.

    25. They both support the job-killing “free trade” agenda of the global elite.

    26. They both accuse each other of shipping jobs out of the country and both of them are right.

    27. Both candidates are extremely soft on illegal immigration.

    28. Neither candidate has any military experience. This is the first time that this has happened in a U.S. election since 1944.

    29. Both candidates earned a degree from Harvard University.

    30. They both believe in the theory of man-made global warming.

    31. Mitt Romney has said that he will support a “cap and trade” carbon tax scheme (like the one Barack Obama wants) as longas the entire globe goes along with it.

    32. Both candidates have a very long record of supporting strict gun control measures.

    33. Both candidates have been pro-abortion most of their careers. Mitt Romney’s “conversion” to the pro-life cause has been questioned by many. In fact, Mitt Romney has made millions on Bain Capital’s investment in a company called “Stericycle” that incinerates aborted babies collected from family planning clinics.

    34. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the Boy Scout ban on openly gay troop leaders is wrong.

    35. They both believe that a “two state solution” will bring lasting peace between the Palestinians and Israel.

    36. Both candidates have a history of nominating extremely liberal judges.

    37. Like Barack Obama, Mitt Romney also plans to add “signing statements” to bills when he signs them into law.

    38. They both have a horrible record when it comes to job creation.

    39. Both candidates believe that the president has the power to take the country to war without getting the approval of the U.S. Congress.

    40. Both candidates plan to continue running up more government debt even though the U.S. government is already 16 trillion dollars in debt.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:03 pm on Sun, Sep 2, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2255

    Mr. Liebich, as for your love of Ron Paul - he's simply unelectable. Of course I thought nearly the same thing about Barack Hussein Obama in 2008, yet here we are. Still, Obama carried with him separate "qualities" that were lacking in McCain, Paul and any other right-leaning candidate at that time. Nevertheless, Ron Paul will never go further than his little seat in the U.S. House of Representatives. I say “little” not because of the importance of his position, but the size of the district he represents in Texas.

    But I would like you to provide some highlights of Paul’s storied Congressional career; such as the number and subject matter of the bills he authored that actually made it to the House floor for a vote.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:35 am on Sun, Sep 2, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2255

    Mr. Liebich, for us “simple folk” out here it’s just Obama vs. Romney; or as I like to put it in my insignificant mind: destruction of what’s left of our nation vs. saving our nation.

    I like the notion of fighting one brush fire at a time, such as Mr. Barrow’s claim that Paul Ryan lied during his speech at the Republican Convention last week. I’m not so naïve to think much more can be done before November. I suppose I’m hoping for some sort of “October Surprise” that might awaken those “unsure” voters out there and have them vote for Romney instead of Obama.

    We can’t stop the steam locomotive of presidential politics this late in the game. But maybe I’m hoping for someone to hit the button that would switch the tracks toward a different destination than where we’re surely heading under the direction of the current conductor.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:22 am on Sun, Sep 2, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2255

    Because this part of the ongoing debate is important to me, perhaps a little reminder to Mr. Barrow and Ms. Neely will evoke an answer from either one or both of them. It was written that Republican vice presidential nominee, Paul Ryan lied or distorted the truth during his speech at last week’s convention regarding the promise from then-Democrat presidential nominee Barack Hussein Obama. Here is what I wrote here just a few days ago that perhaps has gotten lost in the myriad of messages posted since then:

    “Here's what Ryan said: ‘A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: “I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.” That’s what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight.’

    “Please explain how he lied.”

    Perhaps Ms. Neely doesn’t review the comments submitted in response to her columns; that would certainly explain the lack of a reply. Or she simply doesn’t get that involved. I can understand that as I do attempt to refrain from joining in the fray that often occurs as a result of my columns and letters. But Mr. Barrow ought to be paying attention.

    You see Mr. Barrow, when someone is accused of lying or distorting the truth (what’s the difference, really?) it’s important for the accuser to supply proof for the claim even if it’s not in a court of law, but on a relatively insignificant public forum such as this.

    Once again and then I’ll leave it alone:

    Please explain how Mr. Ryan lied.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:27 am on Sun, Sep 2, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2689

    one more thing... If you vote for a candidate that supports the NDAA or H.R. 347 then you are esentially voting to take your own rights away.

    and people say Ron Paul supporters are CRaZY? [huh]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 9:22 am on Sun, Sep 2, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2689

    The average fluoride/aspartame ingesting zombie is completely unaware of how far down the road we actually are. Collecting rainwater on one's own private property has been criminalized for heavens sake...but I digress.

    My point was...The video of the RNC teleprompter clearly demonstrated it was PRE-SCRIPTED. I'm saddened that nobody can even digest what they are seeing right before their very own eyes.

    If the GOP were the NFL they just changed the rules of the Superbowl in the last quarter and gave the "favorite" a 5th down and the underdog a penalty!

    It's too bad the people in our country care more about football than our country, our future and our children.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:51 am on Sun, Sep 2, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Andrew stated…All of you are so helplessly stuck in the false left/right paradigm it's pathetic...


    Actually Andrew, your participation is meaningful. As much as I dislike George Soros, he writes about incrementalism and how many realities can be changed one step at a time. He came from a communist society and favors that kind of government control. He has influenced the American Democratic Party to gravitate toward Communist ideology effectively. He is proof that real change can take place over time.
    The two party system is our reality for the immediate future. People like you help to make change. I think keeping the focus on freedom and individual rights is a must. It is why I am thankful for libertarians and others who appreciate liberties to keep it in light.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 12:35 am on Sun, Sep 2, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2689

    All of you are so helplessly stuck in the false left/right paradigm it's pathetic. [sleeping]

    I provide undeniable proof the whole charade is rigged and still you conntinue to cheer for your "teams". How dumb are you people?

    It's so sad... [sad]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:15 pm on Sat, Sep 1, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Chang stated...."I was hoping for Sarah Palin"

    I agree, after 4 years of insincerity, hollowness and intentional inaccurate information from Obama and his cronies, Sarah Palin would have brought intelligent well thought out subject matter to all. [thumbup]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:45 pm on Sat, Sep 1, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992

    [angry]Jerome[angry]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:18 pm on Sat, Sep 1, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992

    "I was hoping for Sarah Palin"


    [lol]

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 4:08 pm on Sat, Sep 1, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Mr. Kinderman, Hollywood isn't the only place people are pretending to be someone thar are not. Capitol Hill is full of them and the occupier of the Oval Office is the star actor, at least until the election. Looks like I missed out on a lot of lively posts while flying around Alaska for 4 days camping and fishing. Beautiful state, Alaska, kind of humbles one to see what nature has to offer. No internet, almost like taking a trip back in time.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 3:44 pm on Sat, Sep 1, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2255

    Now as far as Clint Eastwood's performance at the Republican Convention is concerned, I wasn't entertained at all. The run up to the "mystery speaker" was already a letdown to me as it was leaked that Eastwood would be the one. Of course I've got nothing against the man; but I was hoping for Sarah Palin.

    What Eastwood confirmed to me is that when removed from Hollywood and its back lots, the majority of these actors and actresses are unable to form a comprehensible sentence that makes any sense. Without a script, they usually fumble along, stammering, “uh-ing” and “you-knowing” – much like those who rely too much on a Teleprompter.

    As I've stated before on this very forum, Hollywood is full of people whose only successes are that they have some talent pretending to be people they are not. In the real world they're usually out of place and for the most part should not be taken seriously. This is precisely how I felt during Mr. Eastwood's "speech" on Thursday night.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 3:29 pm on Sat, Sep 1, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2255

    Of course I've never denied anyone anything. It's a tired argument that as one who has earned Veteran's benefits owing to my service in the Air Force that some believe that I should share those same benefits with those who didn't earn them. Who would seriously suggest that our V.A. hospitals and clinics should now treat anyone who never served? Why should anyone be entitled to anything they did not earn? This is liberalism at its worst.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 3:13 pm on Sat, Sep 1, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2255

    My comment regarding war is far removed from Mr. Chang's intent to frame me as a hateful person. I don't hate Democrats; I don't hate the President of the United States; I don't hate Pelosi, Reid; I certainly don’t hate anyone who exercises their right to voice their opinion on this forum or anyone else for that matter.

    On the other hand, as one who loves the United States, I realize that liberalism and all that it brings with it is destructive to any Democratic Republic. The war I engage in is against that ideology and those who wish to spread it further.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 1:29 pm on Sat, Sep 1, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2740

    Ms. Bobin:

    Stop believing YOU are the be all and end all of intelligence and realize YOU are an insignificant little woman who thinks she has the ability to insult people without them knowing they are being insulted.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 12:52 pm on Sat, Sep 1, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2740

    Ms. Bobin wrote:

    I'm really disappointed in her since I have seen her in interviews in which she has praised Obama's foreign policy. Just goes to show that everyone can be bought.

    -Are you that stupid Ms. Bobin? Do you actually believe Ms. Rice should agree with each and every foreign policy of Obama? I know you believe EVERYTHING Obama has done is right and you stand firm. But, unlike you, Ms. Rice does not kissm his a$$ just because he's black.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 12:46 pm on Sat, Sep 1, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2740

    Ms. Bobin stooped extra low to write this:

    It is incredible that you are the embodiment of all that you criticize and you still have the nerve to hold your head up high and accept entitlements that you would deny others because YOU, unique among others, DESERVE them. What a joke.

    -We thank you Ms. Bobin for expressing your contempt for those who are disabled American Veterans who have every right to government subsidies. Unlike all those
    crossing the border illegally your heart bleeds for. Crawl back in your hole until the next blue moon.[censored]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:15 pm on Sat, Sep 1, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4306

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "Actual...who cares what an Obama advisor stated... we are talking about Condi Rice and her speech...what she said and thinks...and from "HER" perspective, Obama failed big time as from her perspective, Obama was leading from behind and demonstrated what a weak leader he is..."

    Can you be that dumb, Mr. Baumbach? Rice was using that phrase, often attributed to Obama, to slam him. Nothing else.

    I'm really disappointed in her since I have seen her in interviews in which she has praised Obama's foreign policy. Just goes to show that everyone can be bought.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:11 pm on Sat, Sep 1, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4306

    "And yet there are still those who are incensed when I don't respond to them directly. Unbelievable! So from here forward when we observe the president’s anger we're not permitted to describe him as such?"

    Anger? You must have a very perverse definition of anger.

    Incensed? You are quite comical, Mr. Kinderman! The only reason I comment on YOUR comments is that they are so ludicrous they cannot be ignored.

    Stop believing you are the be all and end all of intelligence and realize you are an insignificant little man who thinks he has the ability to insult people without them knowing they are being insulted.

    It is incredible that you are the embodiment of all that you criticize and you still have the nerve to hold your head up high and accept entitlements that you would deny others because YOU, unique among others, DESERVE them. What a joke.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 9:14 am on Sat, Sep 1, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992

    "Jerome is fully knowledgeable in the most effective and efficient techniques of prevarication"

    So is Darrell...

    He's just not as skilled in applying them in a meaningful way.

    Sometimes what you say doesn't matter as much as what you don't!!

    [innocent]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:13 am on Sat, Sep 1, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2689

    Darrell,
    Walter is brain-dead. Perhaps you could comment on the following... http://youtu.be/02eow8d5lgA

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:52 am on Sat, Sep 1, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Chang enjoyspulling everyonesleg ...should have been enjoys pulling everyones leg

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:50 am on Sat, Sep 1, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Chang stated... "Jerome is fully knowledgeable in the most effective and efficient techniques of prevarication.


    Clearly Mr Chang is doing himself what he accuses Mr Kinderman of. Mr Chang enjoyspulling everyonesleg with cute mockery yet never bothers to substantiate anythinghe says...

    Mr Chang...please identify exactly what sentences Mr Kinderman wrote that caused you make a fool out of yourself talking about prevarication... Mr Kinderman simply posted heart felt statements.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:32 am on Sat, Sep 1, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Still waiting for Mr Chang to make a point rather thanbe a clown

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:31 am on Sat, Sep 1, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Ms Bobin stated…Actually, since you do not seem to read the news, "leading from behind" was a comment that an Obama advisor made in reference to the president's authorizing the use of American air strikes

    Actual...who cares what an Obama advisor stated... we are talking about Condi Rice and her speech...what she said and thinks...and from "HER" perspective, Obama failed big time as from her perspective, Obama was leading from behind and demonstrated what a weak leader he is...

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:01 am on Sat, Sep 1, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Very true, Walter. Prevarication is a requirement for any modern day Republican. Those Republicans that any integrity at all left the party long ago. Those that have stayed do not even attempt to disguise their complete and utter lack of character, truly they glory in that lack.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:54 pm on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2689

    You have completely missed the point Walter. I posted the video because it CLEARLY demonstrates the extent to which sheep like yourself are lied to.

    As far as Ron Paul... this video CLEARLY demonstrates why Ron Paul "never had a chance"

    http://youtu.be/keWX55SpYmU

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 8:33 pm on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992

    “the ayes have it”

    Sorry Andrew, the Paulites never had a chance!


    [sad]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 8:27 pm on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992

    Prevaricate

    Definition: to avoid telling the truth by being deliberately ambiguous or misleading

    Synonyms: equivocate, deceive, distort, evade, fabricate, falsify, mislead, stretch, misrepresent, lie

    Usage: "Jerome is fully knowledgeable in the most effective and efficient techniques of prevarication."

    http://vocabulary-vocabulary.com/dictionary/prevaricate.php

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:45 pm on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2689

    Hello? wakey wakey...

    http://youtu.be/02eow8d5lgA

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:43 pm on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2689

    Are you fricken kidding me Walter? I thought you were an Obama supporter.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:59 pm on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2740

    Well said Jerome.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 6:52 pm on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2255

    There's nothing more honorable (or admirable) in a man than when he owns up to a mistake and sets the record straight. There was nothing ambiguous with what Paul Ryan said during his speech the other night in particular regarding the GM plant that never reopened. So rather than make a correction, a man here instead decides to call him a liar or accuses him of distorting the truth. Pity.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:45 pm on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2740

    Actually I couldn't imagine Romney telling Eastwood to tell Obama to go F himself.
    He's got much more class than that. Contrary to Obama and his almost Wise A$$ Chris Rock demeanor.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 6:40 pm on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2740

    Regarding Ms. Bobin's post at
    11:36 am on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Evidently she only recoginizes tongue-in-cheek had Clint Eastwood's sentiments been directed at a Republican at the DNC.She would have been laughing at the top of her lungs if it was Romney and not Obama in the stool.

    Get over it Ms. Bobin. Stop being so sensitive.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 6:14 pm on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1342

    I guess if that's true they would have no reason to lie but here we are.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:03 pm on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992

    "Clint Eastwood on the phone with Obama now: 'It all went according to plan, sir,'" - Chris Rock


    [lol]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 5:56 pm on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992

    "This IS a war"

    I smell fear.

    [angry]Jerome[angry], I thought you only have a "war" with those you hate???

    Hmmm????

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 5:32 pm on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2255

    Once again (with feeling!) - Ryan neither lied nor distorted the truth. He never intimated that Obama's policies closed down that plant or that he (Obama) was to blame for its closure. This only has to do with whether or not Obama's promise of recovery came to fruition. Clearly, since the plant is still closed Obama's policies failed to bring it back to life four years later. Some track record!

    These are the kind of lies and distortions from the left that must be fought with all we’ve got - not ignored. This IS a war. It's either that or the commenter is incapable of understanding a very simple statement.

    Nevertheless, I’ll still stand by waiting for Ms. Neely’s thoughts on the matter.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:19 pm on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992

    [sleeping][sleeping]

    ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzz.....

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:17 pm on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2689

    If this can't awaken you from your corporate media induced trances I don't know what will.
    [sad]

    http://youtu.be/02eow8d5lgA

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 3:15 pm on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992

    The beat goes on, the beat goes on.

    La De Da De Da. La De Da De La...

    [lol]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:09 pm on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1795

    Last thing Owe-Blame-O needs is someone spreading lies about him. I mean, after all, he does such a great job without any help from the conservatives and it is obvious he hates the competetion.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:56 pm on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1342

    Ryan distorted the truth if that evokes anger that's on him not me.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:51 pm on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1342

    Obama gave the speech, the plant closed but Ryan distorted the truth by trying to put the blame on Obama, when the plant closed before he became President if you can't see the lie then you have blinders on. If I were you I would question how far I am willing to close my eyes to embrace my ideology.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:36 pm on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2255

    I'll tell you what, let's leave this one up to Ms. Neely. After all, the original post was directed to her for her consideration. Did Paul Ryan lie Ms. Neely; and if you believe he did would you please explain your answer. Thanks!

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 12:07 pm on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2255

    And yet there are still those who are incensed when I don't respond to them directly. Unbelievable! So from here forward when we observe the president’s anger we're not permitted to describe him as such? Well, that's going to be very hard to do. Because the only way the president and his minions will be able to pull off this re-election will be to get the base VERY angry. And it will all start with next week's convention in Charlotte.

    Just like Mr. Barrow's most recent post designed to evoke anger for the "lie" vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan allegedly told, each speaker at the podium must get the folks riled up. Since they cannot do it in a positive way by relying on Barack Hussein Obama's four-year record, they're going to have to get them mad - very mad. But we won't be able to point to that now because by doing so we'll again be labeled as racist.

    Oh my!

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:59 am on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4306

    Mr. Baumbach wrote: "As far as Condi's speech, her comment about Obama leading from behind was an observation on her part as to what Obama "attempted" to do but obviously failed."

    Actually, since you do not seem to read the news, "leading from behind" was a comment that an Obama advisor made in reference to the president's authorizing the use of American air strikes in order to help our British and French allies to crush the regime of Libyan leader Omar Gaddafi. In other words, offering US support, but not taking the forefront in the effort to help the Libyan people.

    Of course, Republicans picked this up to describe Obama's foreign policy stand and so-called "lack of leadership."

    Anything to promote lies about Obama, but no "hate or divisiveness."

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:45 am on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4306

    "I’m offended with the racist overture – why “white” men? Imagine if I ever used the word “black” in such a description..."

    This is actually funny! Since I don't know "Mr. Chang" personally, I'm taking a chance by making the assumption that he might be Asian.

    Imagine if Mitt Romney ever used the term "angry" in reference to Obama, as in the stereotypical "the angry black man."

    Oh, that's right, he actually did.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 11:36 am on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4306

    Mr. Bitz wrote:
    "Hope you enjoyed watching the Republican Convention speeches this evening.
    No hate---no divisiveness--- but a ittle Clint Eastwood vitriol. It is in Clint's dna.
    Admit it---you like Clint---come on----"

    Actually, my "like" of Clint Eastwood has been destroyed forever. I had to leave the room at least twice - I was so embarassed for him. Not only did he ramble, he appeared to actually be drunk, much like silly Reince Priebus who was slurring all his words at a previous appearance.

    And even poor Ann Romney was visibly po'd, as she should have been.

    As for "no hate, no divisiveness," I suppose you don't believe that telling lies in order to make yourself look better and the other candidate look evil is hateful and divisive.

    I expect to see much of Ryan's, Romney's, Gingrich's and other's comments refuted next week. YOU will call it "hatefull and divisive." I will call it correcting the lies of the Republican Party.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:26 am on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2255

    Here's what Ryan said: "A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: 'I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.' That’s what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight."

    Please explain how he lied.

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 11:00 am on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2255

    “Angry white men?” No, the temper tantrums emanate from the far-left progressives fearful of having an eviction notice attached to the front door at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue on November 7th. A few months ago I was concerned that Barack Hussein Obama might actually be granted another four years; but now I’m confident that insofar as his presidency is concerned his days are surely numbered. Nevertheless, I’m offended with the racist overture – why “white” men? Imagine if I ever used the word “black” in such a description!

    Still, there’s no cause for anger from freedom-loving Americans; we have every reason to be joyful and finally hopeful as we look “forward” to undoing much of the damage caused by this president. As the Republican convention came to a close last night I actually started looking “forward” to the Democrats’ party next week. Now there’s where I expect a whole lot of anger to paint the skies red in Charlotte. I’m sure I’ll watch as much of that gathering as my stomach can handle.

    I look so very forward to President Obama’s speech on his night as he attempts to rally the nation to vote for him once more. It’s going to be a hard sell considering there’s no way he can mention too much about the last four years – but I’m sure he’ll give it all he’s got. Regardless, it WILL be entertaining!

    I do hope that my esteemed LNS colleague, Ms. Neely submits a column with her take on the DNC happenings.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:45 am on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1342

    Joe I guess if you consider a deficit by a liberal president that's 5% of the deficit created by the last two republican presidents a bad thing take that victory lap. Even by your accounting methods that's a 18 billion dollar compared to 350 billion by Bush Sr. and 500 billion from junior so keep backing those guys and you think liberals are stupid amazing.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 10:25 am on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1342

    I got another one for you Cynthia the plant in Ryan's home state, that he blamed it's closure on Obama, closed will Bush was President. Remarkable convention full of lies and misrepresentations that the republican base willingly excepted. Par for the course for the right believe anything, except anything as long as it fits into their message that Obama wants to destroy this country. Pathetic.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 10:16 am on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992

    Bunky???

    I acknowledged your feelings, didn’t I??


    [wink]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 10:13 am on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992

    “organizer back to his community”

    January 20, 2017

    Meanwhile…

    The angry old white men in the LNS comments section will continue to beat the drum of hate, animosity and poor me attitudes.


    [angry][scared][crying]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:22 am on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr lucas stated...You are absolutely right, Darrell. When it come to liars and hypocrites I am very narrow-minded

    Interesting self perspective Mr Lucas offers. He is narrow minded about being narrow minded...[lol][thumbup][innocent]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:25 am on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    yes Mr Chang... inappropriate joy seems to be your impetus for all your mocking... how sad you take pride and joy in mocking others. Maybe you could be a tad constructive and offer solutions and points rather than simply making fun of others. It is rewarding to make an effort to do something that others might benefit... try it! It may result in fixing that awful disease you have.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:16 am on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Ms Bobin stated...Condi's speech was very professional, except when she tried to use the line "leading from behind," which Obama never said.

    It would not surpise me if Obama never said it.... since he has no leadership abilities he cannot lead from behind or anywhere else... he simply does nothing...

    As far as Condi's speech, her comment about Obama leading from behind was an observation on her part as to what Obama "attempted" to do but obviously failed.

    How refreshing it will be when we finally send the failed organizer back to his community... the unfortunate part of Romney as president is that all the media and liberals will go back to their daily drum beat of hate, animosity and poor me attitudes.

     
  • roy bitz posted at 11:10 pm on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    roy bitz Posts: 489

    Walter,
    Sorry you missed the meaning in my oblique message,
    My point is---Putin would never whisper a message into Joe Biden's ear and ask him to relay his message to Obama but Obama whispered into the ear of a Putin Minion and asked that he relay his whisper to Vladamir. This bothers me.
    Why couldn't Obama talk or whisper directly to Putin? That.s what bothers me bunky.
    .

     
  • roy bitz posted at 10:15 pm on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    roy bitz Posts: 489

    Ms. Bobbin.

    Hope you enjoyed watching the Republican Convention speeches this evening.
    No hate---no divisiveness--- but a ittle Clint Eastwood vitriol. It is in Clint's dna.
    Admit it---you like Clint---come on----

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 8:10 pm on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992

    [tongue]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 8:09 pm on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992

    Roy, use your WikiBaumbachia.

    And learn from the best... Saul Alinsky!!


    [beam]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:34 pm on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2689

    Obama's ad accusing Romney of murder... [sleeping]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:22 pm on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2689

    The comment was made in response to what Mr. Lucas said to Darrell...

    "When it come to liars and hypocrites I am very narrow-minded."

    It's an example of Obama HYPOCRACY!!! Thanks for confirming your narrow-minded as well though Ms. Bobin...
    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:57 pm on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4306

    Mr. Liebich wrote: "Wasn't it hypocritical of President Obama to say his Administration wouldn't have any lobbyists and then fill it with lobbyists?"

    Is this your example of divisiveness? Vitriol? Hatred?

     
  • roy bitz posted at 6:55 pm on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    roy bitz Posts: 489

    Great example of how to demonize a person with words that person never used. Nasty political tactic Ms. Bobbin.
    Seems you learned from the best---Pelosi and Boxer--they do this all the time---that is why they have become irrelevant.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:50 pm on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4306

    One

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:45 pm on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1795

    Ahhh, Eric, I see you found the information confirming the "surplus" claimed by Clinton was a blatant lie. He didn't "downsize" anything, he flat stole, oops, I mean "borrowed" money from taxpayer funded programs to make his budget numbers appear to have a surplus rather than the actual deficit that he handed off to Bush. I apologize for putting you in the dimwitted liberal category. Nice try at trying to defer the topic, I made my point.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:36 pm on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992

    [tongue]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 4:35 pm on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992

    "you respond with emotion"

    Darrell, you're correct. It's joy!

    I've been watching a little bit the Republican convention!!!


    [wink]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 3:30 pm on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2689

    One example because anything more would clearly be a waste of time...

    Wasn't it hypocritical of President Obama to say his Administration wouldn't have any lobbyists and then fill it with lobbyists? [sleeping]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 3:26 pm on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1342

    Joe even if you use the accounting method you/right wing websites want to use the defcit under Clinton was a fraction, about 5% of what it was under Bush Sr. and less than 4% of what it was under Bush Jr. if you want to split hairs to support your ideology thats up to you but it still remains that in recent history the strongest economy has been under a democrat president

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:07 pm on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Darrell Baumbach said.

    Mr Lucas stated...A Synonym for Republican thinking. Of course Republican thinking is an oxymoron.
    Narrow mindedness in action... Of course both sides of the isle have great thinkers... Last night Condoleezza Rice and Paul Ryan demonstrated this at the GOP convention... The left of course has thinkers as well... unfortunately it is wasted energy.
    Clearly, Mr Lucas does not have the ability to comprehend the obvious. .

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    You are absolutely right, Darrell. When it come to liars and hypocrites I am very narrow-minded.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 2:02 pm on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Another brilliant analysis by the great Baumbach. The complexity of your argument and the nuanced conclusion leaves us in awe of such a profound intellect. I am sorry that you could not get past the 5th grade Darrell but you know education is not for everyone.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:56 pm on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Darrell, I have to admire the awesomeness of your intellect. It takes talent to write 117 words and say absolutely nothing. Bravo, job well done!!!!!!

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:51 pm on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    How original! Took you some time to "think" that one up, I bet. Awesome [smile]

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 1:24 pm on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1342

    Darrell I think you’re a little confused the part of my post that you referenced does not mention the economy. It discusses the divisiveness of the GOP but sense you brought it up I've supplied a list of laws passed by the 111th congress and signed into law by Obama (only congress can initiate legislation). Most have a direct or indirect affect on the economy. So you are wrong but you’re used to that

    Banking and financial services regulation package H.R.4173
    Cash for clunkers H.R.2346 Title XIII, P.L.111-32
    Cash for clunkers, supplemental appropriations H.R.3435 P.L.111-47
    COBRA, extend benefits period; extend termination date eligibility to Feb. 28, 2010 H.R.3326 Div. B, P.L.111-118
    COBRA, extend benefits period; extend termination date of eligibility to Mar. 31, 2010 H.R.4691 Sec. 3, P.L.111-144
    COBRA, extend benefits period; extend termination date of eligibility to May 1, 010 H.R.4851 Sec. 3, P.L.111-157
    Congressional pay raise, none for 2010 H.R.1105 Div. J, P.L.111-8
    Congressional pay raise, none for 2011 H.R.5146 P.L.111-165
    Credit card regulations, tighten H.R.627 P.L.111-24
    Debt limit, increase to 12.394 trillion H.R.4314 P.L.111-123
    Debt limit, increase to 14.294 trillion H.J.Res.45 P.L.111-139
    Deepwater Horizon oil spill, authorize advances from Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund For additional oil spill legislation, see: Oil spills, liability and (Costs) S.3473 P.L.111-191
    Derivatives, government regulation of over-the-counter markets H.R.4173 Title VII, P.L.111-203
    Digital TV, delay transition until June 12 S.352 P.L.111-4
    Economic Stimulus H.R.1 P.L.111-5
    Executive compensation, expand regulatory oversight H.R.4173 Title IX, P.L.111-203
    Haiti, accelerate income tax benefits H.R.4462 P.L.111-126
    Haiti, debt relief H.R.4573 P.L.111-158
    Haiti, increase emergency aid available to Americans returning after earthquake S.2949 P.L.111-127
    Hate crimes, expand federal definition to include gender, sexual orientation, gender identity and disability H.R.2647 Div. E, P.L.111-84
    Health care reform (Also included in: Reconciliation Act) H.R.3590 P.L.111-148
    Homebuyer tax credit, extend and modify H.R.3548 Sec. 11-13, P.L.111-92
    Homebuyer tax credit, extend through Sept. 30, 2010 H.R.5623 P.L.111- 198
    Iran, broad range of sanctions and penalties H.R.2194 P.L.111-195
    Jobs package H.R.2847 P.L.111-147
    Lands bill, omnibus H.R.146 P.L.111-11
    Medicare "doc fix", through Mar. 31, 2010 H.R.4691 Sec. 5, P.L.111-144
    Medicare "doc fix", through May 31, 2010 H.R.4851 Sec. 4, P.L.111-157
    Medicare "doc fix", through Nov. 30, 2010 H.R.3962 P.L.111-192
    Mortgages, allow bankruptcy judges to modify terms S.896 P.L.111-22
    National service, expand programs H.R.1388 P.L.111-13
    PATRIOT Act, extend certain provisions H.R.3961 P.L.111-141
    Reconciliation Act (SEE ALSO: Health care reform) H.R.4872 P.L.111-152
    Student aid, modify loan programs (Included in: Reconciliation Act) H.R.4872 Title II, P.L.111-152
    Tobacco, give FDA the authority to regulate H.R.1256 P.L.111-31
    Unemployment benefits, extend H.R.3548 P.L.111-92
    Unemployment benefits, extend to Feb. 28, 2010 H.R.3326 Div. B, P.L.111-118
    Unemployment benefits, extend to Apr. 05, 2010 H.R.4691 Sec. 2, P.L.111-144
    Unemployment benefits, extend to Jun. 02, 2010 H.R.4851 P.L.111-157
    Unemployment benefits, extend to Nov. 30, 2010 H.R.4213 P.L.111-205

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:23 pm on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2689

    Curious, How many examples would you like?

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 1:22 pm on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1795

    Eric, you seem to be able to find information to slam liberals, I am sure you can find the true FACTS about the smoke and mirror accounting that falsely shows Clinton left a "surplus". Try real hard there sport, ain't that difficult. If you need a conservative to help you figure it out, just let me know.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:00 pm on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4306

    Mr. Barrow wrote: "Except for Condoleezza Rice’s speech the theme of the convention seems to be division..."

    Condi's speech was very professional, except when she tried to use the line "leading from behind," which Obama never said.

    The embarassing part was John McCain's speech. You can tell he is so bitter that he lost the last election. He actually proposed that the US should start at least half a dozen wars around the world to prove that we are still the world's most powerful country. Time to retire, John!

    I had to laugh when I saw an interview with his wife and daughter this morning. His daughter simply said she was proud of her father. When his wife began to extole his wonderful "speech," Megan McCain visibly rolled her eyes as if to say, "please - it was embarassing enough - let's not discuss it any further."

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:46 pm on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4306

    "I have never witnessed such vitriol, hatred and divisive governing and campaigning - and most from the liberal/progressive Democrat Party."

    Examples, please. I must have missed FOX News when all of the above was discussed.

    I think the best quote of today is from a woman from Virginia who had accompanied her husband to the American Legion convention. When asked what she thought about Obama she answered: (from NPR.org)

    "BOBBIE LUCIER: I just - I don't like him. Can't stand to look at him. I don't like his wife. She's far from the first lady. It's about time we get a first lady in there that acts like a first lady and looks like a first lady."

    "acts like a first lady and looks like a first lady." HMMMM...wonder what she meant by that? Is Michelle Obama too "ghetto" for this woman?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:45 am on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Chang... you sound so...emotional... are you having a monthly problem?

    Roy makes a valid point and you respond with emotion instead of points. I am very much looking forward to your first "thoughtful" post.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:43 am on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1342

    I can't believe conservatives are so stupid they call things FACTS without any supporting evidence. I understand it's very hard for conservatives to come to terms with the FACT that Clinton left us a surplus and Bush left us a recession.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:40 am on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Barrow stated...I guess Mr. Kinderman has not been watching the convention. Except for Condoleezza Rice’s speech the theme of the convention seems to be division and wow could that convention be any more lame...

    Clearly, Mr Barrow is delusional. Obama does not have an economic policy...other than do nothing and see what happens... he does not even pressure his own do nothing Senate to pass a budget while the responsible congress passes bill after bill... the only thing dems promise is to kill the bill, dead on arrival.

    If I am wrong, can you identify specific legislation that Obama is responsible for that can possibly lead to economic recovery... There is “NOTHING”...but nothing

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:53 am on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2740

    http://www.creators.com/opinion/michelle-malkin/the-left-s-escalating-war-on-military-recruiters.html

    -Code Pink at it again with their war on military recruiters.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 8:51 am on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1795

    And the BEST oxymoron, Democratic Intelligence.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 7:48 am on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992

    Roy, please enjoy yourself and think as you wish.

    I’m sure, over these next few years, you’ll have many more opportunities to feel embarrassed…

    So revel in your emotions.

    If YOU get a chance to speak Putin, please tell him to free P-u-s-s-y Riot!!!


    [sad]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 7:47 am on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1795

    I can't believe liberals are too stupid to believe FACTS. If you are flat broke and you go steal lots of money from the bank, I guess you can tell people you now have lots of money. Well, that is exactly what Clinton did. Except he didn't steal from the bank, he stole from the taxpayers. Although they were called them "loans" they were never repaid. I know it is difficult for liberals to believe FACTS but you should try it some time.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:15 am on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1342

    I guesse Mr. Kinderman has not been watching the convention. Except for Condoleezza Rice’s speech the theme of the convention seems to be division and wow could that convention be any more lame. Ryan got things a little stirred up but can you say no energy, you could hear a pin drop in that auditorium. I think what the right is most concerned about is that Obama will win and prove out his economic policies. What will they do if again the economic policies of the left prove successful, how will they explain both Clinton and Obama away while still saddled with the failure of Bush’s policies?

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 6:53 am on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1342

    Cutting other programs is how you shrink government and balance a budget. Joe I'm surprised you didn't mention cutting military spending. It just kills you guys that the last president to balance a budget was a liberal. Clinton's fiscal policies were much more responsible than any recent Republican's. Joe can you point me in the direction of your source for those numbers? I don't believe any facts from posters at LSN without some substantiation.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:51 am on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Lucas stated...A Synonym for Republican thinking. Of course Republican thinking is an oxymoron.

    Narrow mindedness in action... Of course both sides of the isle have great thinkers... Last night Condoleezza Rice and Paul Ryan demonstrated this at the GOP convention... The left of course has thinkers as well... unfortunately it is wasted energy.

    Clearly, Mr Lucas does not have the ability to comprehend the obvious. .

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:44 am on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    nonsense

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:42 am on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Jerome you are engaging in what is called projection

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:40 am on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    A Synonym for Republican thinking. Of course Republican thinking is an oxymoron.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 11:27 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2689

    The SLPC makes millions every year off the back of attacking libertarians and conservatives and anyone else who doesn’t share their own myopic political outlook.

    It has a nasty habit of labeling “extremist” and “radical” any group or person that it merely disagrees with, lumping them in with white supremacists and right wing militias, all the while preaching that it is committed to “Fighting Hate, Teaching Tolerance, Seeking Justice”.

    Perusing their website and published materials for just a short time will lead any rational and discerning person to identify the SPLC for what it is – an über leftist outfit of control freaks with an axe to grind. However, the U.S. government, under both Republican and Democratic administrations – and by proxy the corporate mainstream media – has chosen to elevate the SPLC to the level of revered research group.

    Most infamously, the SPLC was cited as a primary research source in the highly inflammatory Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC) report, a federally funded “fusion center” document that equated Ron Paul supporters, people who display bumper stickers, people who own gold, or even people who fly a U.S. flag with radical race hate groups and terrorists.

    It is ludicrous and downright offensive to throw those people in with Neo-Nazi skinheads who worship Hitler.

    Should I really have to define ignorance for you Walter? [sleeping]

     
  • roy bitz posted at 9:07 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    roy bitz Posts: 489

    Walter,
    This ties back to ma Neely's article about Romney lies and my previous post.
    I think it embarrassing that President Obama chooses to whisper in the ear of a Russian official and ask him to relay his message to President Putin rather than speak directly to Putin.
    Maybe Putin really respects Obama but was too busy to talk to our POTUS that day.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:51 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2689

    ig·no·rance (gnr-ns)
    n.
    The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:58 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992

    Roy, the President got the "space" he needed, didn't he??

    Roy, president Medvedev knows who Russia will be dealing with when the talks resume, don't you??

    A "more flexable" President Obama!!

    [wink]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:46 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992


    “I'm not concerned about Osama Bin Laden”

    Joe, this has always been one of my favorite quotes.

    [tongue]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:41 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992

    Funny local man!

    They are not Catholics.

    You know know it and the Catholics know it.

    So Darrell, in posting these falsehoods, whats your point??

    [wink]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:24 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992

    Fear

    1. a distressing emotion aroused by impending danger, evil, pain, etc., whether the threat is real or IMAGINED; the feeling or condition of being afraid. Synonyms: foreboding, apprehension, consternation, dismay, dread, terror, fright, panic, horror, trepidation, qualm. Antonyms: courage, security, calm, intrepidity.

    2. a specific instance of or propensity for such a feeling: an abnormal fear of heights. Synonyms: phobia, aversion; bête noire, bogy, bogey, bugbear. Antonyms: liking, fondness, penchant, predilection.

    3. concern or anxiety; solicitude: a fear for someone's safety.

    4. reverential awe, especially toward God: the fear of God. Synonyms: awe, respect, reverence, veneration.

    5. something that causes feelings of dread or apprehension; something a person is afraid of: your candidate losing an election is a common fear.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fear

    Jerome, by all means place your bets and vote. Enjoy

    [beam]

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:23 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Kinderman stated...No one has any excuse for not casting their vote – after all, it’s all we have now to save us.

    I agree 100%. My only concern is Obama's ACORN type organizations that enroll dead people and Donald Duck who all end up voting for democrats.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:21 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Its not me Mr Chang...it is the position of SPLC ... I cannot change that they think Catholics are a hate group as well as the KKK...

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 5:26 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1795

    Apparently " I didn't have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky" wasn't the only lie the LIBERAL DEMOCRAT passed on to the American people

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 5:13 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2255

    Since the first presidential election in which I was permitted to vote (1976), I have never witnessed such vitriol, hatred and divisive governing and campaigning - and most from the liberal/progressive Democrat Party. Since Inauguration Day 2009 Barack Hussein Obama's administration has done little to bring this nation together; instead desiring to keep us divided for no other end but to assure him his second term.

    It will be his last four years (if this nation is foolish enough to grant them to him) where he will do his worst. May God help us if we lose the White House and don't win both Houses of Congress. This is the most important election in our nation’s history. No one has any excuse for not casting their vote – after all, it’s all we have now to save us.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 5:08 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992

    "who advocate for a return to the Latin Mass"

    Darrell is being misleding.

    The Latin Mass has nothing to do with it.

    These few groups advocate extreme anti-semitism, among other things, and are not part of the Catholic Church.

    It's seems that they're still upset about Jesus' crucifixion 2000 years ago and want to hold the Jews accountable.

    Nothing new here.

    Its just another radical religion twisted to suit the needs of its members...

    The need to be actively hating somebody. Imagine that??

    [scared]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 5:08 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992

    People, lets put it into perspective. From Wiki.


    The SPLC reported that 926 hate groups were active in the United States in 2008, up from 888 in 2007. These included:

    186 separate Ku Klux Klan (KKK) groups with 52 websites
    196 neo-Nazi groups with 89 websites
    111 white nationalist groups with 190 websites
    98 white power skinhead groups with 25 websites
    39 Christian Identity groups with 37 websites
    93 neo-Confederate groups with 25 websites
    113 black separatist groups with 40 websites
    159 patriot movement groups
    90 general hate groups subdivided into anti-gay, anti-immigrant, Holocaust denial, racist music, radical traditionalist Catholic groups, and other groups espousing a variety of hateful doctrines, which maintained another 172 hate websites. Only organizations active in 2008 were counted, excluding those that appear to exist only on the Internet. In addition, SPLC reported there were 159 patriot movement groups active in the United States in 2008, up from 131 in 2007, with at least one such group in every state. They maintain 141 websites.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organizations_designated_by_the_Southern_Poverty_Law_Center_as_hate_groups

    [smile]

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 4:42 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1795

    Bobbin posted: "And we all know the truth about Bill Clinton - the good news is that he left the economy in great shape."
    Here are the REAL facts about Billy Bob's voodoo economics:
    Every year Clinton was in office, the total national debt continued to climb.
    How Clinton managed to claim a surplus was that while the general operating budgets ran deficits but Clinton borrowed from numerous off budget funds to make the on budget fund a surplus.

    For example, in 2000, Clinton claimed a $230B surplus, but Clinton borrowed
    $152.3B from Social Security
    $30.9B from Civil Service Retirement Fund
    $18.5B from Federal Supplementary Medical insurance Trust Fund
    $15.0B from Federal Hospital Insurance Trust Fund
    $9.0B from the Federal Unemployment Trust Fund
    $8.2B from Military Retirement Fund
    $3.8B from Transportation Trust Funds
    $1.8B from Employee Life Insurance & Retirement fund
    $7.0B from others

    Total borrowed from off budget funds $246.5B, meaning that his $230B surplus is actually a $16.5B deficit.
    ($246.5B borrowed - $230B claimed surplus = $16.5B actual deficit).
    If Clinton would have left a surplus, the National Debt would have gone down and that did not happen.
    Poor liberals want to believe this lie soooo bad. Read it and weep Bobbin.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:43 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Ms Bobin stated...But we all know that Mr. Baumbach will label the SPLC as an 'EXTREME left-wing organization."

    It is not me that thinks they are extreme...it is anyone who reviews their positions and how they spend there money.

    The SPLC has added categories to its categories of "hate groups", including Traditionalist Catholics (that is, those who advocate for a return to the Latin Mass...

    Thee SPLC has published criticisms of movies they deem to be not politically correct, often smearing the filmmakers in the process and portraying them to be part of a purported "radical right" conspiracy to influence the culture. Films the SPLC has criticized in this manner include Ronald Maxwell's American Civil War epics Gettysburg (1993) and Gods and Generals (2003), and Mel Gibson's 2004 film The Passion of the Christ.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:32 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4306

    Mr. Docktor wrote: "And I'm not aware of a Conservative based group that is known to be violent and militant similar to the Liberal based group Code Pink."

    Code Pink is an anti-war protest group that uses so-called "theatrical tactics," according to WikiBaumbachia. Violent and militant?

    "And I'm not aware of a Conservative based group that is known to be violent and militant"

    Then you are NOT aware, PERIOD. Just in California alone:

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map#s=CA

    But we all know that Mr. Baumbach will label the SPLC as an 'EXTREME left-wing organization." "Extreme" must mean that they are EXTREMELY concerned about tracking hate groups.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:21 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4306

    Mr. Bitz wrote: Lies lies lies--damn lies!

    I believe what Obama said was, "the PRIVATE sector is doing fine," something that Mitt Romney reiterated at a campaign fundraiser saying, "big business is doing fine"
    (because they know how to AVOID PAYING TAXES).

    As far as I can tell, "private sector" and "big business" are synonomous.

    From WikiBaumbachia: "In economics, the private sector is that part of the economy, sometimes referred to as the citizen sector, which is run by private individuals or groups, usually as a means of enterprise for profit, and is not controlled by the state. By contrast, enterprises that are part of the state are part of the public sector; private, non-profit organizations are regarded as part of the voluntary sector."

    From Healthcare.org:

    "During the health reform debate, President Obama made clear to Americans that “if you like your health plan, you can keep it.” He emphasized that there is nothing in the new law that would force them to change plans or doctors. Today, the Departments of Health and Human Services, Labor, and Treasury issued a new regulation for health coverage in place on March 23, 2010 that makes good on that promise by:

    •Protecting the ability of individuals and businesses to keep their current plan;
    •Providing important consumer protections that give Americans – rather than insurance companies – control over their own health care.
    •Providing stability and flexibility to insurers and businesses that offer insurance coverage as the nation transitions to a more competitive marketplace in 2014 where businesses and consumers will have more affordable choices through Exchanges.

    The rule announced today preserves the ability of the American people to keep their current plan if they like it, while providing new benefits, by minimizing market disruption and putting us on a glide path toward the competitive, patient-centered market of the future."

    As far as the Cambridge police acting stupidly, I am sure that even Mr. Bitz, if locked out of his home and subsequently arrested trying to break into his own home by the LPD, would put up a fuss and claim they had acted stupidly.

    And we all know the truth about Bill Clinton - the good news is that he left the economy in great shape. Imagine what our deficit would be now if Bush had taken over a deficit instead of a surplus!!! I doubt starting with a deficit would have stopped him from cutting taxes and spending on unfunded programs.

     
  • roy bitz posted at 1:49 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    roy bitz Posts: 489

    Walter--

    Do you it's good that Obama would whisper a message to one of Putin's minions and ask him to relay his message rather than speaking directly to Putin?


     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:01 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4306

    Of course it makes perfect sense - especially when the numbers add up to 110%!!

     
  • Ted Lauchland posted at 12:01 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Ted Lauchland Posts: 229

    Mr. Chang,

    Thank you for your respect.

    Dabbling?- you have no idea. I vote - I think I qualify.
    Discussions? - at some point - hardly. Will my vote mean more than yours? - depends on how you go around multiplying it .
    Am I naive ?- couldn't say. I wear many hats being a small business owner. I still know for whom I will vote .
    I choose what to respond to and when I say anything at all. Sometimes restraint talks louder than voices. If I don't respond it is probably because I am not there. I have to work sometime or maybe it was not worth responding to. The game is not for everybody. I still know for whom I will vote.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 9:24 am on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2740

    Eric,

    So what makes you believe Obama hasn't come to the realization he has been sold out by HIS own party?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:52 am on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2740

    Ms. Bobin wrote:

    Most likely because conservatives feel the great need to spew their hatred in public.

    -I wouldn't say conservatives never spew their hatred in public. However, unlike the Liberals, it is mainly civilized and not intermingled with violence. It is more common a car with a conservative bumper sticke to be vandalized than a car with a Liberal bumper sticker. And I'm not aware of a Conservative based group that is known to be violent and militant similar to the Liberal based group Code Pink.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:44 am on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1342

    Ya nothing divisive about Christie's speech makes me pause when someone starts telling me what I believe Chris the blimpster must be a mind reader. I mean really that guy is huge. All in all pretty lame stuff at the convention last night. I think the talking heads were right those guys seem to be setting themselves up for 2016. At one point I think Romney actually came to the realization that he has been sold out by his own party.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:03 am on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992

    [tongue]

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 6:02 am on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992

    “Lies lies lies--damn lies!”

    “supported terrorist groups”

    “weapons of mass destruction”

    “mobile biological weapons laboratory”

    “mission complete”

    “I'm not concerned about Osama Bin Laden”

    Roy: ” tell Vladimir I will have more flexibility after the election”

    No such luck Roy, the President was speaking the truth! You’ll see!!

    [scared]

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 1:13 am on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2689

    NEWSFLASH!!! It's O.K. to be a zombie for Halloween but it's not O.K. to be one in real life... [sleeping] The following are 40 ways that Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are essentially the same candidate….

    1. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported TARP.

    2. Mitt Romney supported Barack Obama’s “economic stimulus” packages.

    3. Mitt Romney says that Barack Obama’s bailout of the auto industry was actually his idea.

    4. Neither candidate supports immediately balancing the federal budget.

    5. They both believe in big government and they both have a track record of being big spenders while in office.

    6. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both fully support the Federal Reserve.

    7. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are both on record as saying that the president should not question the “independence” of the Federal Reserve.

    8. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both said that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke did a good job during the last financial crisis.

    9. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both felt that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke deserved to be renominated to a second term.

    10. Both candidates oppose a full audit of the Federal Reserve.

    11. Both candidates are on record as saying that U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has done a good job.

    12. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both been big promoters of universal health care.

    13. Mitt Romney was the one who developed the plan that Obamacare was later based upon.

    14. Wall Street absolutely showers both candidates with campaign contributions.

    15. Neither candidate wants to eliminate the income tax or the IRS.

    16. Both candidates want to keep personal income tax rates at the exact same levels for the vast majority of Americans.

    17. Both candidates are “open” to the idea of imposing a Value Added Tax on the American people.

    18. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the TSA is doing a great job.

    19. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the NDAA.

    20. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the renewal of the Patriot Act.

    21. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the federal government should be able to indefinitely detain American citizens that are considered to be terrorists.

    22. Both candidates believe that American citizens suspected of being terrorists can be killed by the president without a trial.

    23. Barack Obama has not closed Guantanamo Bay like he promised to do, and Mitt Romney actually wants to double the number of prisoners held there.

    24. Both candidates support the practice of “extraordinary rendition”.

    25. They both support the job-killing “free trade” agenda of the global elite.

    26. They both accuse each other of shipping jobs out of the country and both of them are right.

    27. Both candidates are extremely soft on illegal immigration.

    28. Neither candidate has any military experience. This is the first time that this has happened in a U.S. election since 1944.

    29. Both candidates earned a degree from Harvard University.

    30. They both believe in the theory of man-made global warming.

    31. Mitt Romney has said that he will support a “cap and trade” carbon tax scheme (like the one Barack Obama wants) as longas the entire globe goes along with it.

    32. Both candidates have a very long record of supporting strict gun control measures.

    33. Both candidates have been pro-abortion most of their careers. Mitt Romney’s “conversion” to the pro-life cause has been questioned by many. In fact, Mitt Romney has made millions on Bain Capital’s investment in a company called “Stericycle” that incinerates aborted babies collected from family planning clinics.

    34. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the Boy Scout ban on openly gay troop leaders is wrong.

    35. They both believe that a “two state solution” will bring lasting peace between the Palestinians and Israel.

    36. Both candidates have a history of nominating extremely liberal judges.

    37. Like Barack Obama, Mitt Romney also plans to add “signing statements” to bills when he signs them into law.

    38. They both have a horrible record when it comes to job creation.

    39. Both candidates believe that the president has the power to take the country to war without getting the approval of the U.S. Congress.

    40. Both candidates plan to continue running up more government debt even though the U.S. government is already 16 trillion dollars in debt.

     
  • roy bitz posted at 9:38 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    roy bitz Posts: 489

    Lies lies lies--damn lies!
    " if you want to keep you health care plan you can keep it"
    " I did not have sex with that woman--- Ms lewinski"
    " The public sector is doing fine"
    "The Cambridge police acted stupidly"

    I just hope Obama was lying when he whispered " tell Vladimir I will have more flexibility after the election".

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:34 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Good thought Mr Kinderman. It would be refreshing to have leadership that unifies rather than divides as Obama has done.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 7:10 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992

    [sleeping][yawn][sleeping]
    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..........

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 6:31 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1795

    I am always amused when light headed liberals jump in with both feet about "alleged questionable tax evasion" and tout it as fact when there is absolutely NO proof Romney broke any laws. But when faced with REAL factual proof that one of there liberal stooges broke the law, they obediently look the other way. How sad is that?
    Hey, Mr. Tillett, just why did YOUR president seal the facts about operation Fast & Furious?

     
  • Jerome Kinderman posted at 6:06 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Jerome R Kinderman Posts: 2255

    Words of a true leader about another true leader:

    "Following four years of failed leadership, the hopes of our country are growing dim. Our country needs a leader to revive those hopes, and we need someone of principle.

    "This week’s convention in Tampa marks a crucial moment for our party and our nation. This is the moment when we pull together and renew our commitment to returning America to prosperity and greatness." (Future Vice President of the United States, Paul Ryan)

    Finally!! Real hope for America!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:41 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Chang, I see you are dabbling in making a point, be careful. Nice to see a post of yours that does not mock!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:40 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    John R... your post makes perfect sense...thank you! However, Mr Lucas sincerely thinks 100% of all that has worked in government is account of liberal policies. He believes all that is wrong with our country is 100% the result of conservative policies.

    He thinks only liberals are responsible for the middle class success in any country during any century. He is the definition of narrow mindedness. His anger and hatred clouds his judgment in my opinion. Its sad.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:30 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    jay... as normal, you bring value to the forum...[thumbup]

     
  • Jay Samone posted at 3:39 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Jay Samone Posts: 359

    BWAHAHAHA.....snicker......I must say that was prettyu good Darrell. I especially like this one:

    6. Brian you are really a piece of work. If you had any intellectual capacity for thought you are certainly not showing here. Just because you do not agree with someone does not mean it is not a valid...

    But it's ok for him to refute someone's point because he doesn't agree with it. I rarely post on here and THAT ^^^ is the reason why. Ms. Neely wrote something reprehensible. LNS - where is the same reprehensible article for Obama? One could argue two points on that question: 1) maybe the "right" chooses to take the higher ground - because EVERYONE knows Obama has lied through his teeth whether want to admit it or not, and 2) the LNS is biased towards Obama. Ridiculous.

     
  • Jay Samone posted at 3:34 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Jay Samone Posts: 359

    I don't know Joanne - it seems to me ^^^^ that person ^^^^^ has his in a bunch just as much as everyone else. And as far as the hatred - I see it goes both ways on this forum - regardless of the topic.

     
  • Walter Chang posted at 3:29 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Walt Posts: 992

    Ted, I see your dabbling into the political discussions now, be careful.

    [smile]

     
  • Robert Marty posted at 3:08 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    rmartygeo Posts: 30

    Ah, JL, if only I could pick and choose what my signficant tax dollars pay...

    Fair share? Who the hell are you to say what a "fair" share is? Percentage? Specific amount? How much is enough? How much is fair share? The tax structure in the Country is ridiculous.

    And, yes, by all means play the "Senior" card...might as well throw the kids up in front of you and use them as protection. Give me a break.

    I could go down the list for you (Defense, absolutely -- it's about the only thing the Feds SHOULD be doing)...

    Pell Grants? Student Loans? Hmmm...I worked through college. Anything wrong with WORKING?

    Oh, wait, Liberals hate that word...

     
  • John Ring posted at 2:53 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    John Ring Posts: 34

    John L - you are getting caught up in all the class warfare stuff we have all been fed forever. In the 60's I heard my parents say the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. They alway dispised "rich" people. I don't. So let me ask you a question- what is the correct amount, in your opinion, that the top 1% of wage earners should pay in federal income taxes. Currently this group earns 17% of all income and pays 37% of all federal income tax. The top 10% earn 43% of all income and pay 71% of all tax. The bottom 50% earn 13% of all income and pay 2%. Guess what..... when the the majority figures out they can vote for stuff that someone else pays for its over. The left wants to turn the bottom 50% into 70% and thinks we will all be better off. With the current mentality in the White House guys like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates would have never built their companies and never became greedy billionaires. Litterally those two billionaries alone have changed everyones life on this planet and the monetary value of that is incalculable. Those are the exact people the current administration is trying to villify. Go and try to tell Bill Gates he couldn't have built his company without the government. Don't fall for it. All boats rise when the top earners are motivated to grow their business and make and keep more money.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 2:21 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1795

    Bwahahahaha, I supposed liberals consider Obama a man of integrity? My dog has more integrity than that moron has or ever though about having.

     
  • Joe Baxter posted at 1:48 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Joe Baxter Posts: 1795

    Anyone who does not take advantage of every available tax advantage is a moron. Most people who are in Romney's income bracket have professionional tax consultants who advise and use all of the legal tax considerations to keep their clients taxes as low as possible.The top 1% income earners pay over 30% of all collected Federal Income Tax. Expand that to the top 5% income earners and it goes to almost 60% of all collected Federal Income Tax. The bottom 50% earners pay only 2.25% of collected Federal Income Tax. The LIBERAL sheep need to pay more attention to how Owe-Blame-O spends tax money instead of who pays what. The whole Romney tax BS is a little distraction sideshow to keep focus off of the disastrous administration currently occupying the White House. How about taking a look at the super rich Obama supporters, wonder how many of them have "offshore" accounts? Wonder why no fuss about them? Liberalism has turned to socialism cusping on communism and the poor liberals are too dimwitted to figure this out.

     
  • Ted Lauchland posted at 1:46 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Ted Lauchland Posts: 229

    Politics. Jerry Brown once said that he knows how to do politics. He won.

    I would rather be able to send my grandkids to college, buy a boat and donate to worthy causes subject to only my opinion and not anything demanded by law. My Dad always said that someone else can spend your money better than you can - given the chance.
    I employ people to bookkeep (me), multiply my efforts in the vineyard, move my product after years of risk with mother nature and do my taxes. Have you ever done the 1040 Itemized form? Yes - I use the money saved in taxes filing within the guidelines required by law at the risk of jail time - to hire an accountant or even a tax attorney instead of paying the money through the questionable tax system controlled not by me to pay someone else. My tax dollars directly at work instead of being lost in a corrupt system that has it spent long before I even make it. Now who pays higher taxes. 1040 EZ does what?
    Politics. Rearrange the word and it simply spells "Point". Yeah - I know_ NO IT DOESN"T . Finger pointing that pulls on the dollar and people's emotions

    Fight for the unsupported health system that's only real solution is to go back to doctors doing home visits and getting paid with a chicken reality.

    I'd really rather pay for a boat. It has been my insentive all along. That is why I vote to support the entrepeneur rather than the guy on welfare. Ambition builds businesses into larger businesses that pay more taxes that pay more tax supported jobs that pay more taxes. You can't start at the tax level and get anywhere.
    Entrepeneurs are not the Obamas - they are the Romneys. Finger pointing and false promises to get elected are the politicians.
    Every blue collar I have met do not want to be a white collar. How that relates to Democrats and Republicans is up to you. I know how I'm voting.

    LNS tries to give an unbiased example of both opinions. Absurd - yes Kerry. Does it make sense - also yes - for this comments blog and the makeup of the economic system we are all a part of.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:44 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Always in weeds are you Brain? the topic of the letter is what a pathological liar Romney is. Have you forgotten or is it you cannot get around the truth of it?

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:35 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Your welcome.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:27 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr lucas stated...And your point is?

    Clearly you know what the point is. Why pretend you do not?

    Thank you for substatiating my point.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 1:24 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Ms Bobin stated...Most likely because conservatives feel the great need to spew their hatred in public

    No need to get your panties in a bunch over anything Ms Bobin...However, I did not know you considered Mr Lucas and yourself conservatives.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:07 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    You said:

    Mitt Romney following the law and taking tax deductions the IRS approves means he is cheating teachers and others union members of money that could have been used to help secure his job.

    It is worse than that. By using tax loopholes to pay less in percentage in all taxes than those on minimum wage he is forcing the middle and lower classes to make up for it. To make it worse the millionaire and billionaire is getting much more benefit from taxes for without them his business would not be able to survive. These people making millions and paying no taxes are the real looters. They are living on the taxes the rest of us pay.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 1:00 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    And your point is? I make no bones about how feel about the modern conservative movement and the puppets who mindlessly blather their talking points. I love my country. Modern conservative ideas nearly brought down the world economy in 2008. They now want to do the same thing on steroids. For me if you vote Republican you are either stupid, insane or evil.To a certain individual it sounds good but in the history of the world it has never worked on a long term basis and always leads to disaster. Those who do not learn their history are doomed to repeat it.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:35 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4306

    Love, Love, Love all the right-wing nuts getting their panties in a bunch over this column!! Ms. Neely certainly knows how to push their buttons.

    As for the LNS printing "More typical liberal rubbish," there is more ridiculous right-wing nonsense printed between columnists (Guzzardi, Heath, TEA Party, etc.) and letter writers (Osgood, Kinderman, Baumbach, Linstrom, Roche, etc. - and the latest addition today, Rich Shook) than anything else.

    Most likely because conservatives feel the great need to spew their hatred in public.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:31 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Lucas stated...You did not bother to what you think is conjecture for you know everything she said was backed up by facts.

    Mr Lucas stated on previous threads all the following. Considering his perception of reality, manners, rude behavior and lack of respect for himself, I do not think what he thinks has value.

    1. Just what planet do you live on? I cannot believe you are this stupid. ( To Brian)
    2. Are we like the idiots at Fox News? Are we like you, Pat, Darrell and the other knuckle draggers here?
    3. Darrell,I know you are not the brightest bulb on the planet but it is not Ms Neely who requires a woman who was raped to be violated with a medical instrument if she opts for an abortion
    4. then you are even dumber than I thought you were and that is saying something ( to Darrell)
    5. You may have many here of knuckle dragging, fox watching community who thinks the nonsense you spout on these pages passes for thinking ( insulting Brian's intelligence)
    6. Brian you are really a piece of work. If you had any intellectual capacity for thought you are certainly not showing here. Just because you do not agree with someone does not mean it is not a valid
    7. I know that is pointless to hammer you idiots in this way in spite of the fact that it is so obviously true. I just get tired of cowards.
    8. Only Liberal policies work and conservative policies always fail

     
  • John Lucas posted at 12:12 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    What you are saying is that when you quote Obama that means Obama is your mentor. Brian, Her letter reflects the fact that, like Hitler, Mitt Romney is a pathological liar who believes in the big lie and saying it often even if one knows it is not the truth. She quoted a psychopath and noted the similarities to the one running for President on the Republican ticket.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 12:08 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Robert Marty stated...Tillet - tax evasion practices? Come on...I wouldn't not vote for someone so stupid to NOT take every possible advantage of the ridiculous tax code of the US.

    Mr Marty, you have to have empathy and patience for Mr Tillett. He claims to be a teacher in High School and a proud supporter and advocate of his union. In his mind ( in my opinion), Mitt Romney following the law and taking tax deductions the IRS approves means he is cheating teachers and others union members of money that could have been used to help secure his job. After all, he depends on tax revenue to pay his salary and benefits.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:52 am on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Mr Lucas stated...Your saying Hitler is Ms Neely's mentor is not backed up backed up by any facts

    The only way you could draw that conclusion is for you to not have read her article. She brought up a Hitler quote, not me. Since her letter seems to reflect her quote of Hitler, I assume he is her mentor.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:44 am on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    You said:

    Most of this column is conjecture
    ---------------------------------------------------
    You did not bother to what you think is conjecture for you know everything she said was backed up by facts. This is typical Conservative behavior and shows a startling lack of integrity. You then starting throwing old nonsense on the wall hoping someone will be swayed by attacking Obama. Her column was about Romney. I have to admit though Romney is the perfect man to represent the modern Conservative movement. Her column shows that movement for what it really is.

     
  • Robert Chapman posted at 11:27 am on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Bob Chapman Posts: 997

    Ms. Neely said "apologists will say". WILL say? How about getting back to us when they DO say. Most of this column is conjecture, at best. Barack Obama has told so many lies he can't even distinguish them from truth and the poor liberal idolizers swoon at his every word. BHO recently told Iowans that Ryan was obstructing an important bill for Iowan farmers. Ryan voted yes on that bill. How do you obstruct a bill by voting "yes"? And one of my personal favorites, he attended a church for 20 years that spewed hatred for whites and America yet he claimed "I've never heard any such rhetoric" while I was in attendance? And, the list goes on. Time to catch my fishing plane, and that's no lie.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:20 am on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    You said:

    Just because you enjoy supporting a bunch of liberal programs and agendas doesn't mean we all want to
    -----------------------------------------
    Which Liberal program are you talking about?
    Defense Budget?
    I guess we should just surrender our sovereignty
    Infrastructure?
    I guess we should just let our bridges and roads collapse
    Medicare?
    I guess we should let our seniors die from lack of care
    Social security?
    I guess we should set our seniors beg in the streets. Gives them something to do.
    Pell grants, student loans
    Our kids can always work at McDonalds

    When Millionaires and Billionaires pay less in percentage than your average working person there is something wrong with the system. Even working people who are making too little to pay federal taxes pay more of a percentage in other taxes than they do.
    It is interesting that these millionaires and billionaires use all the benefits of a modern society and their businesses could not survive without them yet think they should not have to pay their fair share to keep it going. I understand them, they are just greedy and there will never be enough for them
    What I do not understand are the idiots who think this is ok for if they do not pay their fair share someone else is going to have to make up the difference and that means it is going to be the idiot.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 11:00 am on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Your comment is not the record but it sure worthy of an honorable mention in the "I can write a lot of words and not say a thing" department. You are outraged. So am I. I am outraged by the complete and utter lack of integrity of the Republican party. When I was growing up one could vote for Stevenson and still admire and respect Eisenhower. Things were different then. Men like Romney, Ryan and Bush could have never been elected.The American people had Integrity. I think people who support these people need to look at the reality that they are supporting men who lie continuously and will say anything to get elected. There lies the real underlying problem in America today. Ms Neely hit the nail on the head

     
  • Robert Marty posted at 10:47 am on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    rmartygeo Posts: 30

    More typical liberal rubbish. Why the LNS keeps printing this stuff is a wonder to me.

    Tillet - tax evasion practices? Come on...I wouldn't not vote for someone so stupid to NOT take every possible advantage of the ridiculous tax code of the US. Just because you enjoy supporting a bunch of liberal programs and agendas doesn't mean we all want to. Feel free to "donate" to the cause, if you would like. But don't expect us all to donate...

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:27 am on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    It is Romney who does not want to talk about Obama's record. As Ms Neely so accurately describes he is just throwing on big fat lie after another on the wall hoping one will stick. This is Conservative standard operating procedure. If Mitt the liar started talking about Obama's record he would then have to talk about his ideas to improve on it and he does not dare go there. Conservatives know if they put their policies front and center there is no way the American people will elect them. The American people are not stupid. This is why they lie and lie, stir up the water and never come out front and center with their ideas. To come out front and center with their ideas would require integrity.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:16 am on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    "chances are" is not a fact. No one on medicare will be denied benefits with the Obama plan. However under the Romney plan Seniors will lose help in paying for prescriptions not covered by the donut hole and will lose preventive care benefits. These are not Conservative "chances are" but Liberal facts. You see the difference? Probably not

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:06 am on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    America, like all nations, has its warts. To speak about those warts in a Conservative mind is an apology. This is the main reason that Conservatism always leads to disaster. To solve problems and grow up spiritually, ethically, morally and materially all the facts must be looked at whether they are good or bad. The failure of Conservative leaders to not have tis ability is why their policies are stupid and in the long run do not work and always lead to disaster. Witness 2008

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:58 am on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2726

    Well said,Brian. At least you admit it is no "stunning realization" that Mitt Romney is a liar and a man of no character. I think he is the perfect republican candidate for he may not represent all republicans views, his character goes to the heart of the modern Conservative.

     
  • Kerry Suess posted at 9:53 am on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    The Knight Romer Posts: 10

    I am totally shocked at the garbage in this article. This is so one sided and totally misrepresents the truth. I can't believe that the news sentinel allowed this to be printed. Ms Neely has ignored the truth in her article and attempted to give the impression that Obama has been truthful. The misconstrued statements in this article are too many to even mention. Several other commenters have done it quite well. I cancel my subscription.

     
  • Jeff Tillett posted at 9:53 am on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Jeff Tillett Posts: 531

    He has...
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/obama-to-media-romneys-whole-campaign-is-based-on-lies/2012/08/20/dcd7f1d4-eaed-11e1-9ddc-340d5efb1e9c_blog.html

    and i think you missed the point of her column.

    Rock solid? except for all those questionable tax evasion practices... and lying...

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:09 am on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2740

    Ms. Neely,

    Was it yesterday you finally came to the conclusion Romney is no angel? Where have you been? On the day of the RNC do you really think YOUR stunning realization is going to make a difference?

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:06 am on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2740

    Ms. Neely wrote:

    Romney claims that Obama "went around the world and apologized for America." The Washington Post fact-checker stated: "The claim that Obama has apologized for America is not borne out by the facts."

    -Chuckle,

    Even Obama admits he is not a big fan of the American Experiment and he has all too often tried to explain why America should be held accountable for their actions. Take off your partisan blinders Ms. Neely. Do you really want me or someone else to post links of Obama apologizing for America? I know you have issues with anyone daring to say Obama is an Anti-Colonialist. You do have a track record of disparaging anyone daring to speak the truth about Obama.

     
  • Ron Werner posted at 8:02 am on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Ron Werner Posts: 73

    Talk about lies, this article is full of lies! I credit the writer for giving specific examples, however, her conclusions are all wrong. The author states "One of the latest untruths is the allegation that President Obama has "stolen $700 billion from Medicare." Actually, the president has cut $700 billion in future Medicare payments to private insurance companies that administer Medicare benefits, and to hospitals, nursing homes and other providers." Obama is not plowing this money back into Medicare, he is using it to pay for Obamacare that pays for coverage for the under age 65. Therefore he's stealing the money from Medicare and using it for others.

    Article also says, "Romney claims that this money would reduce benefits. That is a lie that has been totally discredited and debunked by everyone from Politifact, a non-partisan fact-checking organization, to the Washington Post." If a person is enrolled in a medicare advantage plan and the government is going to reduce it's reimbusement for those private plans, chances are that private plan is going to cut benefits, charge more in premium or cease to exist. Bottom line is that person (about 25% of all medicare beneficieries) will have reduced benefits. So where's the lie there?

    I hope your next article is about what Obama promised during his election campaign and what he actually has done as president. Now those are some real lies.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 7:36 am on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2740

    Ms. Neely,

    I'll sleep much better with Romney as President. Lying and stretching the truth Is the MO of most politicians. But as far as the liberal media not reporting Romney on this matter? They are so caught up on Obama trying to talk about everything but his own track record. And if there were really that many lies being said by Romney one would think Obama would be the first to notice and talk about them. We have a Presidential candidate with a rock solid past. Of course he's made mistakes.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:07 am on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9403

    Ms Neely stated...Adolf Hitler said, "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."

    Evidently, Ms Neely has revealed her mentor. Here I thought it was Alinsky.I am wrong again.

     

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