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“The unions, the city management and the council all have an understanding of this item, but nobody else does. Frankly, this proposal should have seen the light of day via a public hearing, instead of appearing to be slipped under the radar.”

Ed Miller, Citizens In Action

“They say they’re going to be trans- parent then they’re not. Short of running for office myself, I don’t know how to get them to change other than have people stand up and be counted.”

Posted: Monday, June 4, 2012 12:00 am | Updated: 5:47 am, Sat Mar 1, 2014.

The third and last belief tenet of the Tea Party Group of Lodi is that we support the free-market economy.

Why is this important? In a nutshell, personal freedom and economic freedom are inseparable. Lose one, you lose the other. For example, locally, the free market and economic freedom are being constrained by the proposed winery moratorium on local wineries holding events. These events are important to wineries because they attract customers to their brand. The proposed moratorium severely limits the events a new winery can host, stifling competition and the opening of new wineries. In other words, the government is picking winners and losers.

Liberals will agree that fairness is important. How fair is it to destroy someone's labors and investments by a change in the rules via government intervention? Is this not tyranny? Sure, as usual, the government's excuse is "the common good." In this case, the alleged problems are noise, parking, traffic, etc. The county already has laws on the books for these purposes, so why not enforce them? If they lack the enforcement resources, fix that problem. No, this moratorium is about stifling competition and controlling what people do with their private property.

This brings us back to the subject of "crony capitalism" that we have mentioned in previous columns. That is when government controls the marketplace and businesses provide the political funding to receive favorable government treatment to the exclusion of competitors. Crony capitalism operates obviously in opposition to the free-market economy by selecting products and businesses that will be allowed to succeed and, thus, the products and services we are allowed to select from. We are forced to buy higher-cost, lower-quality products and services. As individuals and businesses lose control of their marketplace choices to the government, all of us lose more and more of our freedom while the government's power grows.

So, what about bad behavior in the marketplace? How is that to be limited? First off, by the consumer. Bad products and services die a natural death because they are of poor quality. Meanwhile, the overall market benefits because cost decreases and quality increases. Similarly, businesses that make bad decisions will pay the consequences.

All this is assuming, of course, that the government does not intervene. Case in point: Consider all the "too big to fail" bailouts in 2008 heralded by both the Democrats and Republicans as something we just had to do. GM and Chrysler both made corporate business decisions that yielded business models that were not competitive with "right-to-work state" competitors, i.e. their labor costs were too high. But instead of letting the constitutionally appropriate bankruptcy laws remedy the problem, the government bailed them out while leaving the underlying root cause unchanged. Besides deepening our national debt, GM and Chrysler may well fail again as a result.

Similarly, the underlying root cause of the current economic downturn was the government's intervention in the housing loan industry when it required unaffordable loans to be approved, creating the so-called "housing bubble." The loan industry then tried to hedge the bad loans which corrupted the finance markets, and the whole system collapsed. Government intervention before and after has cost us trillions of dollars because it eliminated the free market's ability to self-regulate. People have lost their jobs, homes and retirements as a result.

In conclusion, the free-market economy is the most successful system ever devised, and has driven and preserved the prosperity of this country and its corresponding liberties. However, it cannot function in an environment of growing government tinkering and regulation.

Find out more by attending the Lodi Tea Party general meeting on Monday, June 25 at 6:30 p.m. in the United Congregational Christian Church, 701 S. Hutchins St., Lodi.

Ed Miller is an active member of the Lodi Tea Party.

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42 comments:

  • William Dawes posted at 4:45 pm on Sun, Jun 10, 2012.

    William Dawes Posts: 116

    Yes the govt broke the rules. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the govt, Ms. Bobin

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:49 pm on Sat, Jun 9, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Who is we? I am not aware of a secret to keep.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 3:15 pm on Sat, Jun 9, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    And shall we keep your secret, Darrell?

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:41 pm on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Heuer stated...The more I read about the local Tea Party the more it sounds like another chamber of commerce.

    Please explain. Can you give specifics as to what you have been reading that leads you to draw this conclusion.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 9:03 am on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1650

    The more I read about the local Tea Party the more it sounds like another chamber of commerce. Everything is the governments fault or unions fault. No mention of problems associated with business. Much of government is because of business.

    This was thrown out "Occupy who are fueled by organizations like the SDS who have been around since the 70's" and when I find time I will need to research because it is news to me.

     
  • Kim Lee posted at 12:00 am on Thu, Jun 7, 2012.

    Kim Lee Posts: 1798

    What's that about Tina Fey?

    ;-)

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:55 pm on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin... If you study your comments and opinions, it is obvious from where your opinions are formed and shaped... My guess is you record all of the Stewart shows and play them repeatedly so you can really know your stuff.

    MSNBC has got to be you favorite tough... Ill keep your secret.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:50 pm on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    CONTINUED for Ms Bobin...

    Joanne Bobin posted at 12:53 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011... Professor Lessig make a brief comment that was similar to yours about electronic voting. His discussion was quite interesting - so much so that Stewart extended the interview. If you care to see it, check out the Comedy Central website and check "The Daily Show" for 12/13.I know that Mr. Baumbach will probably renew his mockery of my watching this program, but there are some very insightful interviews on the show that have nothing to do with comedy.

    Joanne Bobin posted at 8:47 am on Wed, Dec 21, 2011... Mr. Baumbach - thank you for reminding me that I get my news from The Daily Show

    Joanne Bobin posted at 4:40 pm on Mon, Aug 22, 2011... I do find the Daily Show quite entertaining and more balanced than FOX News.

    Joanne Bobin posted at 12:53 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011 … I watch The Daily Show for entertainment and the guest interviews ...

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:49 pm on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...And btw, it's SNL, not SLN. If you are going to create false scenarios about what I watch and how I get my information, at least get the names right

    You are very correct Ms Bobin. Let be be clear. I am not a peeping Tom and seek a look through your window to ascertain if indeed you are watching the Stewart show or SNL. However, since you have made many comments about what you saw on the Stewart show: for example...

    Joanne Bobin posted at 7:03 am on Sat, Jul 23, 2011... Mr. Paglia - Actually I recall Jon Stewart eating crow on his show subsequent to his interview with Bill O'Reilly by revealing a poll that showed both MSNBC and Daily Show viewers were rated slightly BELOW FOX News viewers.

    Joanne Bobin posted at 12:54 pm on Wed, Feb 15, 2012...watch Monday night's episode of "The Daily Show" - it especially applies to many of the comments here including Mr. Schmidt and Mr. Paglia's scenarios

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 12:49 pm on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1584

    There is anecdotal evidence of this, although nothing official

    the perception is that there's an audience that cites it's primary news source as predominatly entertainment shows

    if valid, this certainly would have an impact

    That is rock solid Darrell

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:32 pm on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I'm so glad you are up on all of this, Mr. Baumbach. Since I don't watch any of those programs except The Daily Show for entertainment purposes AND the guest interviews, you apparently must know a lot more than I do.

    And btw, it's SNL, not SLN. If you are going to create false scenarios about what I watch and how I get my information, at least get the names right.

    You cannot even get fake information correct, let alone anything that might be important.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 11:24 am on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms bobin stated...Does Tina Fey really do the news?

    Of course Ms Bobin... SLN and Tina Fey is very important to your crowd...

    http://election2012.usc.edu/2008/05/saturday-night-live-election-cycle.html

    Q: What effect is entertainment TV having on the presidential election?

    A: Entertainment TV is having more of an impact on public issues than ever before. Many young voters claim they get their news from The Daily Show with Jon Stewart and Jay Leno’s Tonight Show opening monologue. There is anecdotal evidence of this, although nothing official. The perception is that there’s an audience that cites its primary news source as predominantly entertainment shows and, if valid, this certainly would have an impact on the presidential election. The fact that the candidates go on The Daily Show, SNL and the Tonight Show means they believe the shows have impact on the voters.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:52 am on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Oh, I think you started to feel sorry for me a long time ago, Mr. Baumbach - no need really as you are inconsequential.

    Does Tina Fey really do the news? Never seen that program - but I have seen her excellent impersonation of Pinhead Palin. But I guess that REALLY hurts your sensitive soul since Palin is one of your heroes, right next to Newt Gingrich and now Mitt Romney.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 9:08 am on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    prove you wrong.... impossible.... you are not open to truth...2+2=5 with you.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:17 am on Wed, Jun 6, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...Take a break and immerse yourself in the "clarity" of information you read from The Heritage Foundation...your self-proclaimed source of truth, justice, and the American way...

    More stand up comedy from Ms Bobin... more distortion...more anger and bitterness... I'm starting to feel sorry for you.. Your heart is in misery and you behave like a wounded animal that is lashing out.

    I Simply stated the Heritage Foundation ( right leaning) and the Brookings Institute ( left leaning) were good sources for getting material to analyze and review. Both are good starting points when one wants to investigate the pros and cons of issues, policies and legislation. Both are considered think tanks and respected by many on both sides of the isle. A vast improvement over your favorite sources of Stewart and Tina Fey.

    I never suggested that either organization was truth, justice and the American way... both are a wealth of information that is informative... that's all.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:25 pm on Tue, Jun 5, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    You are delusional, Mr. Baumbach. And much worse.

    Reality is that the Lodi Citizens in Action, a group claiming 501(c)4 status as a non-partisan social welfare organization, is just a mouthpiece for the right-leaning, or should I say, far right-wing uneducated portion of this community that has hoodwinked other ill-educated individuals into believing that they are somehow the clarions of reason.

    All of your other comments above are nothing but your usual ill-educated blather.

    Take a break and immerse yourself in the "clarity" of information you read from The Heritage Foundation...your self-proclaimed source of truth, justice, and the American way. Nothing but a bunch of bought and sold opinions manipulated by the Bircher strings of the Koch Brothers.

    But those are YOUR reliable "facts," Mr. Baumbach. So sad, so sad.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:13 pm on Tue, Jun 5, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Baumbach is living proof that the average reading ability of citizens in the US is at the 6th grade level.

    No matter how much you try to distort what was said, Mr. Baumbach, the fact remains that Ms. Parigoris has, through her commentary in this forum, been VERY partisan.

    She should not be representing the TEA Party - Lodi Citizens in Action - or this group should relinquish its tax status as a 501(c)4 group.

    She has been quite vocal about her PARTY AFFILIATION to the point of disparaging, in very unbecoming terms, the President of the United States and promoting right-wing ideology.

    Prove me wrong.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:22 pm on Tue, Jun 5, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin... How absurd.... resign?...

    Mr. Miller gave his opinion as to how he thought Kim "PROBABLY" felt. He was not certain. Kim, correctly stated that "despise" was an exageration in terms Just because Mr miller assumes Kim feels that way, does not make it truth.

    I think it is clear that you are making a mountain out of a sand pebble. You have claimed to see bigots around every corner in Lodi. One might wonder if they have influenced you considering the animosity and hatred you display when someone talks about tea parties.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 4:03 pm on Tue, Jun 5, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...I say shame on the LNS for giving one party exclusive access to the dissemination of opinion over the exclusion of others.

    I see Ms Bobin has drenched herself in Stewart and Tina Fey comedy. Imagine, 85 % of the entire media complex is liberal and uses its vast resources to dominate to dissemination of news and political material. It dominates the movie industry and newspapers word wide. CNN, MSNBC, CBS, PBS, late night comedy shows, SNL, LA Times, San Francisco Examiner and a host of others...
    I think it hilarious that Ms Bobin she thinks LNS should be shamed for allowing voice to a tea party group ( conservative leaning) that has only talked about what they believe and what they do....

    Ms Bobin should be ashamed of attempting to distort reality and manipulate LNS.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:36 pm on Tue, Jun 5, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Bobin stated...Poor Mr. Baumbach decided to boycott the TEA Party meetings when Mr. Miller proclaimed equal dislike for both the left and the right! What is he to think now that one more column is placing blame on the left?

    There she goes again....more distortion... never did what you said Ms Bobin...Yawn.

    I was only referring to the word” hate” in a prior post. I was not referring to the left or right as you distorted. Had the word “dislike”been used as you stated instead of hate,I would have gladly attended the meeting. I do not prefer to attend any meeting no matter the political leaning if hate is the motive.

    Mr Miller was kind enough to explain what he intended to say and I thanked him for clarifying.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 3:29 pm on Tue, Jun 5, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Crowder... did you really think she was attempting to deceive and trick the reader into thinking every word was hers? I cannot believe you actually thought that.

    I took it she copied something in order to share information. I think you are over the top accusing her of doing something nefarious. She was not attempting to gain or profit, just give information that others freely made available on line.

    Thanks for copy and pasting Kim... you saved me time and effort by bringing information to me that I did not have to seek.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 1:10 pm on Tue, Jun 5, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Lodi Citizens in Action - a TEA Party group organized under IRC 501(c)4, is, by IRS code, REQUIRED to be non-partisan.

    Ms. Parigoris, ESPECIALLY, has been quite vocally pro-Republican in ALL of her comments in this forum. Mr. Miller is quite a bit smarter as he has danced closely around the partisan issue.

    I believe that Ms. Parigoris should either resign from this group, or Lodi Citizens in Action should disband due to its violation of the tax code...thanks to Ms. Parigoris.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:50 pm on Tue, Jun 5, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    "There is also way too much emotion being exhibited here- Ms Bobin says that Ed Miller "despises" both parties- he never said that.

    I beg to differ with Ms. Parigoris. From the April 10, 2012, "Patriot's Corner:"

    "On Ms. Parigoris, you two basically do not get along and I understand that - both of you feel strongly about your positions. However, her statements may have lead you to believe she "loves" Republicans, while nothing could be further than the truth. She probably despises them more than I do."

    http://www.lodinews.com/opinion/columnists/guest_columnists/article_8455fbd9-07bc-5258-bc45-c37374f34c10.html

    Perhaps Ms. Parigoris and Mr. Miller should "compare notes" more often. Mr. Miller has indicted you, Ms. Parigoris, as a "probable" despiser of Republicans. He emphatically stated that HE despises Republicans.

    This should get good...disparity within the TEA Party movement. This just goes to show that there is no clear goal...this is just a bunch of individuals who think they are educated on the issues and have a clear message, when in fact they have no idea what they are talking about.

    They all have their own opinions and espouse them freely....even when these opinions are not in accordance with each other.

    And to print a column that presupposes to present a unified opinion is beyond ridiculous.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 10:28 am on Tue, Jun 5, 2012.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Very well put Andrew. Eric- the Tea party has decided to stay out of social issues (such as marijuana use) - it does divide us. For instnace- Rosa Koire, who has 2 seminars coming up this weekend about Agenda 21, is a HUGE liberal and used to be a big environmentalist until she found out that that movement is being used. Despite her very very liberal beliefs, most Tea party people follow her very closely and have the utmost of respect for her. We separate her personal life from the task at hand.. As she said in one of her seminars, after we join together on a common battlefield of ridding this country of people that threaten our property rights, personal freedoms and soverignty, we can go back to squabbling about the things that don't matter. As far as endorsing candidates, we find that once you endorse a candidate, they feel that they own you- they use you and display your support and feel they no longer have to work for your vote. They have you in their pocket. I will be the first to admit that the financial markets are not my strong suit. As far as giovernment control, take for instance 2 very very dangerous bills- AB32 and SB375 here in California. These 2 bills alone are going to turn California on its ear. They are bills that have benchmarks that go on for years- and we will not know the final effects for quite some time. The California Air Resources Board has 1223 employees and a 2012-2013 budget of over 555 million dollars and posts their notches in their gun on their website as to fines they have imposed on Calfiornia businesses. I recently signed up for email alerts and had to choose from 175 subjects!! Cal Osha imposes stiff fines to Ca businesses if we do not provide one quart of water per person per hour on days where the temperature is over 85 degrees. This is out of control. If you care to discuss anything further please feel free to email me at kim@lodicitizensinaction.com

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:40 am on Tue, Jun 5, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1584

    What Ed said was “The Lodi Tea Party, as a group, does not take positions on social issues because they are so divisive, as your comment demonstrates.”
    The Tea Party is fairly new to many people. I hear that they want Government out of our lives but I have yet to hear many specifics. Ron Paul voiced those same desires but gave specific applications to these principals that is why I would have supported him in a general election. If the Tea Party is unwilling to state how they would apply their principles to real life issues how can any one support or oppose them. I’m leery of any organization that is evasive with their agenda.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 8:33 am on Tue, Jun 5, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    Instead of uniting and focusing on our real enemies and on our real problems, the left and the right in America seem ready to go to war with each other. The mainstream media and those that control both political parties love to play “divide and conquer”, and in America today we are taught to pick one political “team” and to absolutely hate those on the other side. But instead of two real choices, what we really have is a false left/right paradigm. The reality is that the two political parties are controlled by the same people. Both the Republicans and the Democrats are very tightly controlled. That is why nothing seems to really change no matter who we elect. But rather than waking up and uniting to take on our real problems, the American people are increasingly choosing to hate one another.
    The sad thing is that the vast majority of the people representing us in Washington D.C. should never receive a single vote from any American voter under any circumstances. We spend so much time defending them when the truth is that nearly all of them should be voted out.
    But instead of waking up and understanding what the real issues are, most Americans are rallying around their political “teams” and are seething with hatred for their “enemies”.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 8:28 am on Tue, Jun 5, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1584

    No hard feelings Mr. Parigoris I have typed when I should have walked myself a few times.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 8:13 am on Tue, Jun 5, 2012.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    There is a true fear of government getting too bigand it was evidenced by the auto industry bailouts. There are some people that feel that government is the answer and see nothing wrong with that. There is also way too much emotion being exhibited here- Ms Bobin says that Ed Miller "despises" both parties- he never said that. Mr. Barrow said that Ed Miller called him dvivisive- he said that social issues are divisive. Let's all get a grip here, OK? If Americans who want small government, free enterprise, and fiscal responsibility all got together on these 3 basic tenets, we could work together and get something accomplished and maybe save this country.If you believe that big government is the answer, and that the governments job is to provide for us, then we can agree to disagree. But if we are just going to let the mainstream media and polticians shape our opinions by pushing their personal agendas, we are doomed. Both parties use their consitutents as their pawns, they want involvement to get them elected, and then toss us to the side. That is why I have aligned with the Tea party principles- I am tired of both sides spoonfeeding what they want us to know, and pitting us against each other.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 8:09 am on Tue, Jun 5, 2012.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    My apologies to you Mr Barrow. However there is a certain person who like to attack personally and very vehemently on these forums, and I typed when I should have just walked away from the computer. We are human and the Tea Party is attacked on a regular basis by many members of our legisltation and government and by regular citizens that do not seem to understand it. I guess I just get tired of having to justify ourselves- and I just can not understand the loathing by some people against a movement of people that is just trying to get a grip on our current political landscape and have a say in to the direction our country is taking. We do not have all the answers- most of us have never been involved in politics and we have no one coaching us on this journey.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 7:45 am on Tue, Jun 5, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1584

    Mr. Parigoris nothing has gotten under my skin except your suggestion to “wallow in my unhappiness”. I simply pointed out that the bailout of the auto industry seemed to work for many of the workers in that industry there certainly were some losers but overall the industry pulled out of it and repaid the government loans. What would those car dealers had done if GM had gone bankrupt?
    Secondly, I asked a question of a Tea Party member on there stance in some areas of free market application, the column was written by Ed on that topic. As of now those questions have been evaded or ignored. I was called divisive by Ed and kind of attacked by you. Is the Tea Party unable to answer a few simply questions without feeling threatened and lashing out?

     
  • Ed Miller posted at 4:42 am on Tue, Jun 5, 2012.

    Ed946 Posts: 70

    Ms. Bobin,

    One more time, the Tea Party here in Lodi DOES NOT and CANNOT endorse partisan candidates by law. We are a 501(c)(4); I provided you with the IRS info explaining this during discussion of the last installment. Some Tea Party groups are not prohibited from endorsing partisan candidates because they are registered as Super PACs like the Tea Party Express. We, however, cannot and do not endorse partisan candidates.

    Candidates that the news media labels as "Tea Party candidates" are those candidates that generally support the three (3) tenets explained in this series of columns. That is their labels, not necessarily ours. There is no political party called “The Tea Party” nor do we advocate one.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 6:29 pm on Mon, Jun 4, 2012.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Andy- I believe I cut and paste that and I suppose I should have said that. OK- here is an excerpt from AdNews..whether I cut and pasted or not, is it not fact? If it is not, I stand corrected..Sixty-four dealerships that were terminated during Chrysler's 2009 bankruptcy reorganization sued the U.S. Treasury Department today, seeking at least $130 million, according to a report in Automotive News.

    The suit, filed in the U.S. Court of Federal Claims here, alleges the government violated the Constitution by taking the stores' franchises and their state legal rights without adequate compensation.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 6:20 pm on Mon, Jun 4, 2012.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Mr Bobin- can you please cite an example of anyone stating that they "Despised" members of either party? I think you are exaggerating a little bit? Just a tad? As far as my being partisan, I will state once again that I have been a registered member of both the Republican and Democrats parties- twice for each one. I state facts about where the detrimental legislation in this state is coming from, but facts are something you seem to have a very difficult time relating to.
    Mr Barrow, there are many different Tea Party groups, but for the most part they were responsible for "shaking" up the 2010 elections. There is Tea Party nation, Tea Party Patriots, The Party Express- to which one are you referring? We really do not affiliate ourselves with any of them. We are autonomous and the people that seem to despise us the most are the ones that just can not get their heads around the fact that we are not controlled by anyone- we don;t get paid to go to rallies, we don;t get paid to attend California Air Resources Board meetings, or City Council, or School Board, we don;t get paid to collect signatures for initiatives that we believe in, we are 100% volunteer, unlike movements like Occupy who are fueled by organizations like the SDS who have been around since the 70's. We have a genuine interest in this country's welfare and dedicate our time to learning how it ticks, and wanting to improve it. If that gets under your skin so badly, then wallow in your unhappiness.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 5:17 pm on Mon, Jun 4, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Good comments, Mr. Barrow. The TEA Party here in Lodi pretends to be non-partisan - they are not. If they were, by association, all of the TEA Party candidates elected to office in the mid-terms would be of both parties...they are not. If they were non-partisan, many comments made, especially by Ms. Parigoris, would not be anti-Democrat/liberal.

    I say shame on the LNS for giving one party exclusive access to the dissemination of opinion over the exclusion of others.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 4:44 pm on Mon, Jun 4, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1584

    Ed I just skimmed through the site you provided it don't have a lot of time right now but it appears what I said the first time is correct that a lot of deregulation lead to some shady banking causing the toxic mortgage problems.

    Even if they don't endorse why didn't they elect a candidate that better reflects their values. The Tea Party was given credit for the takeover of the house in 2010 have they lost voting power now?

    Isn't medical marijuana a business that should be subject to free market principles. I wouldn't expect a conservative to vote for legalizing it but since it's already legal shouldn't it be viewed the same as any other product and I don't think I was being devisive just asking you to clerify the stand you took in your letter.

    You didn't mention the Stand the Tea Party has on oil and agricultural susidies.

     
  • Andy Crowder posted at 4:34 pm on Mon, Jun 4, 2012.

    Andy Crowder Posts: 245

    Kim, you plagiarized much of that post from a blog by a chef turned college student, Delany Boling.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 4:28 pm on Mon, Jun 4, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1584

    Kim I've heard for the last year and a half that the Tea Party was responsible for the shake-up in the 2010 elections and Iv'e heard candidates refered to as the Tea Party candidate is this incorrect or is this a stand unique to the Lodi Tea Party?

     
  • Ed Miller posted at 3:39 pm on Mon, Jun 4, 2012.

    Ed946 Posts: 70

    Ms. Bobin,

    Actually, the government did "hold a gun to the head of lenders" by forbidding so-called "red-lining" when lending mortgage funds for discrimination and fairness reasons, all liberal buzz words. Therefore, a potential buyer did not have to qualify for a loan.

    You too may benefit by reading “Subprime crisis impact timeline” on Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subprime_crisis_impact_timeline. Since Wikipedia has never, in my experience, been accused of being a conservative mouthpiece, their data will be acceptable to you, too.

     
  • Ed Miller posted at 3:28 pm on Mon, Jun 4, 2012.

    Ed946 Posts: 70

    Mr. Barrow,

    The jury is still out on the ultimate result of the auto bailouts. The facts are that the government ignored the bankruptcy rules designated by the Constitution, illegally put the unions first in-line among creditors and suppliers (costing the creditors and suppliers serious money) and maintained the business model that caused the problem in the first place.

    As for the cause of the housing crisis, that was clearly due to government meddling, not the free market. Please check-out “Subprime crisis impact timeline” on Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subprime_crisis_impact_timeline for a very extensive list of government actions causing the problem. The selling of the toxic assets was a self-preservation tactic which obviously failed and the government was rightly blamed.

    As for Ron Paul, we do not endorse party candidates, period. Medical marijuana is a social issue. The Lodi Tea Party, as a group, does not take positions on social issues because they are so divisive, as your comment demonstrates.

     
  • Kim Parigoris posted at 2:09 pm on Mon, Jun 4, 2012.

    Kim Parigoris Posts: 470

    Well, as far as nominating Ron Paul instead of Romney, the Lodi Tea party does not endorse candidates, unless they are non-partisan positions such as City Council or School Board.
    Cash for Clunkers was a disaster. It took used cars off the street that were very serviceable and has made the cost of used cars skyrocket. In 2009, the Government took control of yet another failing corporate giant – that giant being General Motors. Due to the current economic situation, GM was struggling to stay alive but the way the government proceeded to “help” the company in essence did far more damage to General Motors, the GM employees and the country. 3400 privately owned automotive dealerships were being forced to shut their doors not because of a lack of business, but rather because the U.S. government had stepped in and decided that it was in the best interest of the American automotive industry to do so. This was unfair business practice and offered no feasible financial benefit to the automotive industry or the U.S. While it had been headline news that Unionized GM auto manufacturers (approximately 20,000) were the ones being laid off, the deeper print revealed that the unemployment figures were going to be well into the millions. More importantly was the fact that the government was taking away private enterprises from business people who still owed money out of pocket for inventory they were told they could no longer sell. This was gross abuse of power in its highest form and it ruined lives and destroyed the credit of otherwise good business-people.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 2:03 pm on Mon, Jun 4, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I am shocked that the local TEA Party continues, despite Mr. Miller's repeated claims that "they despise Republicans as much as they despise Democrats," to blame all of the economy's ills on "liberals."

    Poor Mr. Baumbach decided to boycott the TEA Party meetings when Mr. Miller proclaimed equal dislike for both the left and the right! What is he to think now that one more column is placing blame on the left?

    Mr. Miller wrote: "Similarly, the underlying root cause of the current economic downturn was the government's intervention in the housing loan industry when it required unaffordable loans to be approved, creating the so-called "housing bubble."

    Really? The government held a gun to the heads of mortgage lenders and forced them to make sub-prime loans?

    This entire sentence shows that Mr. Miller has, at best, a less than rudamentary understanding of the housing issue, and at best has been reading nonsense and now believes he understands the issue.

     
  • Eric Barrow posted at 9:27 am on Mon, Jun 4, 2012.

    Eric Barrow Posts: 1584

    It seems that the Government intervention in the auto industry worked out pretty well.The government didn’t require the banks to make loans they simply loosened regulation and allowed them to, it then allowed those toxic mortgages to be bundled and sold and allowed those selling the mortgages to wager that they would fail. This free market action didn’t turn out so well. It’s not always liberals getting in the way of the free market, how does the Lodi Tea Party feel about the 4 billion dollars in oil company subsidies and the 20 billion in farm subsidies? How does the Tea Party feel about Medicinal Marijuana should we let the market dictate what goes on in that industry? Why not let the market dictate how many dispensaries a city can support instead of county government deciding?
    One last question if the Tea Party really feels this way why didn’t they nominate Ron Paul instead of the former governor who signed into law a health care mandate for Massachusetts?

     

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