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30 comments:

  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:48 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    msn: Your ignorance of premise: "without scrutinizing the false intelligence..."...the same intelligence that Congress used to declare war with!

    SS: "privatize Social Security..." Hell NO...what would the Dems and LBJ have use(d) to buy votes with? Oh yeah...Chinese yens! Remember Viet Nam and the "Great Society $40 Trillion later? How many boys were lost in VN and here at home (including my two brothers)...and the many who still suffer? Lest we forget???

    Economy: You LIKE the present "economy"??? Nearly 25 Million people are out of work and another are surviving on part-time work...actual unemployed full-time: 40 Million!! Boy that's GOOD!!

    "the last four years trying to clean up the mess made by Republican policies..." Here's a news flash: The Dems have been in charge of the checkbook since 2006 and the entire gov since 2008...what happened with immigration, the economy, Afg, OBcare, tort reform, energy policies, Green energy, the stimulus monies, the shovel-ready jobs, unemployment, bail-outs and oh yeah...why haven't we had a federal budget in nearly four years?

    Do you live in Disneyland???

     
  • Patrick W Maple posted at 3:28 pm on Fri, Nov 2, 2012.

    Pat Maple Posts: 1805

    Mr Ring: Keep posting...I like what you represent. People like msb, mrl, mrc, mrh and others think degrading another person's views helps their agenda...to keep their gov welfare coming.

    I would ask you a simple question for which I already know the answer...could you stay on unemployment for 99 weeks? NO...someone taught you HOW to work...therefore you would probably have a job within weeks. Too many today have not learned that valuable lesson...work for what you want.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:43 am on Wed, Oct 31, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    I think we can conclude Ms. Neely has failed miserably at her maiden voyage on satirical writings BECAUSE she actually believes her takes are mostly true and not satire.

     
  • roy bitz posted at 11:34 pm on Tue, Oct 30, 2012.

    roy bitz Posts: 499

    I know Darrel but I can't help myself---I still think honesty is the best policy.
    Hope Joanne will acknowledge----as I did--- we were both "cherry picking". me--not as much as she.
    I like the give and take here and I try to respect everyone's opinions if they are honest.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 10:27 pm on Tue, Oct 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Roy.... Im sorry, but you are talking about reality. Ms Bobin does much better when she plays herTina Fey roll. I find it hard to believe that anyone would not understand the damage Dodd Frank inflicted. My guess is that they do not care even a little.

     
  • roy bitz posted at 10:03 pm on Tue, Oct 30, 2012.

    roy bitz Posts: 499

    Joanne,
    Because you looked it up, you know the "Dodd- Frank Wall Street reform and consumer protection act represents the most comprehensive financial regulatory reform measure taken since the Great Depression".
    If you read and understand this entire document "your hired"!
    My eyes glazed over about half way through so I "cherry picked" to find the part that pushed mortgage lenders to ignore sound, traditional lending practices until I found it.
    If you honestly believe this bill is limited to Wall Street reform you are "CHERRY PICKING" too. This bill is not just about Wall Street reform---is it Joanne?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 12:51 pm on Tue, Oct 30, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Mr. Bitz wrote: "AND THE ANSWER IS----- the Dodd Frank bill.
    Barney (the 6playful clown Frank) and his cartoon buddy senator Chris Dodd
    convinced their liberal buddies to implement the " everyone should have a nice house ---regardless of their ability to pay for it program". Dubbaya oposed it.
    Look it up Ms Neeley."

    I don't know if Ms. Neely looked this up, but I did. The Dodd-Frank Act had nothing to do with "everyone having a nice house," Mr. Bitz.

    Dodd-Frank had to do with Wall Street reform - was signed by President Obama, and no wonder "Dubbaya opposed it." He was even in office, but if he had, he would have not wanted his Wall Street cronies to be beaten down by so much oversight.

    Look it up!

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:47 am on Tue, Oct 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Liebich stated...I imagine Ms. Neely and Ms. Bobin believe that Obama deserves another Noble Peace Prize.

    Not sure, it is more likely they perceive themselves or Mr Lucas more deserving of the Noble Peace Prize.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:33 am on Tue, Oct 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Clearly, there are many factors that contributed to economic problems the last year of the Bush Administration.

    First, is 9/11. As a result of being attacked with 1000's dead. We responded and went to war. Since the Clinton Administration had built a very strong case case that weapons of Mass destruction was a treat in Iraq, Bush decided to invade that country and spent billions in war. (President Clinton, on Feb. 17, 1998-went to the Pentagon to be briefed by top military officials about Iraq and weapons of mass destruction. While there, he remarked: If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program.")

    In addition, Katrina hit our country hard economically in 2005 costing $200 billion from damages. As a result, GDP fell to 1.5% in Q4 2005. We then had the The subprime mortgage crisis as a result of Dodd Frank and was the initial cause of the 2008 financial crisis.

    So obviously, many variables contributed including the constant negative obstructionism the liberals and media participated in. Each day, vital energy was put into anti Bush every thing. The negative atmosphere and liberal take over of the legislature was too much for the economy to take.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 5:18 am on Tue, Oct 30, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Mr Lucas stated...Let me say this as nicely as I can...Anyone who thinks that the Dodd Frank bill or anything but the policies of the Republican party caused the financial disaster of 2008 needs adult supervision

    I agree 100% with Mr Lucas, saying conservatives need adult supervision is about as nice and complementary a description as he as ever stated. Thank goodness he did not spew his normal vocabulary as it is quite shocking. Thanks for the kindness Mr. Lucas. Your true compassion shines.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 10:49 pm on Mon, Oct 29, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Let me say this as nicely as I can. Anyone who thinks that the Dodd Frank bill or anything but the policies of the Republican party caused the financial disaster of 2008 needs adult supervision. The American People elected George Bush for 8 years and the Republicans controlled the house and the Senate for 6. They were hired to do a job, instituted their policies and 2008 was the result. They failed to do their job. period

     
  • roy bitz posted at 10:33 pm on Mon, Oct 29, 2012.

    roy bitz Posts: 499


    Ms Neeley asks ----what were the causes of the worst recession in memory?
    AND THE ANSWER IS----- the Dodd Frank bill.
    Barney (the 6playful clown Frank) and his cartoon buddy senator Chris Dodd
    convinced their liberal buddies to implement the " everyone should have a nice house ---regardless of their ability to pay for it program". Dubbaya oposed it.
    Look it up Ms Neeley.


     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:32 pm on Mon, Oct 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms. Neely stated…Did anyone notice that two-term President George W. Bush was not a speaker, not even a presence…

    Of course… conservatives are a compassionate group. They understand liberals have a Bush-o-phobia disease and break out into a cold sweat just at hearing his name. Never has there been such a perfect example of mass hysteria and a conditioned response since Pavlov’s dog salivated.

    So of course had Bush actually attended and spoke at the convention, liberals like Chris Mathews and John Lucas would have experienced convulsions. I submit Bush staying home out of sight was an act of kindness and consideration for the health and well-being of liberals everywhere.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 8:06 pm on Mon, Oct 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms. Neely stated…Finally, Republicans thumbed their noses at veterans…

    Has she no honor… how absurd.

    Even liberal Colin Powell considered himself a Republican over the years as he knew that military support and respect in general had nothing to do with liberals, but conservatives.. Now that he has become a politician, he is forced to side with democrats or lose his support base. But everyone with just a bit of common sense knows conservatives admire and respect the men and women who wear the uniform. Republicans have shown consistent support and respect for the military. When soldiers are spit on and disrespected, it is liberals who normally do the dirty deed.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:54 pm on Mon, Oct 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms. Neely stated…They want us to forget the senseless Iraq War that he initiated without scrutinizing the false intelligence he based it on, failing to consider the consequences of that futile venture, the tragic loss of our blood and treasure

    Ms Neely, just bought Burger King lock stock and barrel… all the whoppers. I think Pinocchio just died of a heart attack…

    If George Bush had false intelligence, it came from these people…

    "Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
    --Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

    "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
    --Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

    "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
    Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
    -- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

    "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
    -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:27 pm on Mon, Oct 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Neely stated…Medicare. Romney and Ryan propose ending Medicare as it exists and replacing it with a "voucher" which seniors could take to vultures who consistently raise premiums and provide less and less coverage, leaving those with pre-existing conditions out in the ether

    Good Grief… This is a double decker massive whopper with double cheese and bacon… a 5 star Pinocchio. Preexisting conditions are always covered in medicare . Clearly, Ms. Neely is pulling everyone’s leg and is rehearsing for a Halloween special to scare everyone.

    I am so hopeful Ms Neely and her brother John team up and write a column especially for trick and treat… maybe they can pretend to be conservatives and scare all the liberals. I’m soooooo scared already just thinking about it.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:17 pm on Mon, Oct 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms. Neely stated…That is up from the 800,000 jobs per month we were hemorrhaging at the end of the Bush presidency

    Oh my, more liberal distortion of reality. George Bush left his office with 9,000,000 more people working than when he began his presidency. Clearly Ms Neely’s whopper deserves four Pinocchio’s …

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:11 pm on Mon, Oct 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms. Neely jokingly stated...Why, if we just give the rich all the tax breaks they want, some of it will "trickle down"

    Reality... the lower income workers had a 33% reduction in tax rates as it was reduced to a 10% bracket under Bush... The rich did get a tax break but only a meager 10% reduction in tax rate.
    To suggest only the rich had their taxes reduced is simply a liberal tactic to distort truth and a blatant lie.
    I do believe Pinocchio would appreciate Ms. Neely. In fact they could be related just like Mr. Lucas.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 7:02 pm on Mon, Oct 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405

    Ms Neely having fun stated... In fact, according to an article in the Wall Street Journal the last month of Bush's presidency, he had the "worst track record for job creation since the government started keeping records."


    According to fact check...

    the unemployment rate in all 44 months of Obama’s presidency has been higher than that of any single month in President Bush’s 8 years in office.

     
  • Darrell Baumbach posted at 6:50 pm on Mon, Oct 29, 2012.

    Darrell Baumbach Posts: 9405


    Still waiting for Mr. Lucas and Cynthia Neely to team up for a joint column. The anticipation is killing me.

    The paper says she is a retired city attorney, but liberals know her as a Democratic Party activist who holds meetings at her home to raise money for McNerney...right Mr. Lucas?

    Is it any wonder that Ms. Neely is upset that the liberal boogey man (George W.) has been out of the News... He was a good topic to raise millions.

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 9:16 am on Mon, Oct 29, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    I find it quite amusing that the new Moderate (Willard) Mitt Romney - who, if we are to believe his lies, has completely changed is position on everything he has been espousing for the past 6 years.

    And to boot - he has sequestered his awful choice of running mate for the run-up to the election lest Paul Ryan let the cat of of the bag that Willard's only trying to appease those who may have thought his true positions were too extreme.

    Be assured that both Romney and Ryan, if elected, will do everything in their power to re-engineer society and throw the US back to the 1800's.

     
  • Brian Dockter posted at 8:35 am on Mon, Oct 29, 2012.

    Brian Dockter Posts: 2830

    Ah, Now Ms. Neely is following suit with Ms. Bobin attempting to resurrect Air America with left wing talking points full of half truths and misinformation.

     
  • stan taves posted at 10:12 am on Sun, Oct 28, 2012.

    Stan Taves Posts: 313

    I guess if you repeat something enough then you start to actually believe it. Of course, once you believe it -- no matter how outrageous and ill conceived -- then you can get some other numb skull to believe it, also. This is were we are with the left today. They have convinced themselves that govt can be the arbiter fairness, and that redistribution in the name of "fairness" is a reasonable proposition. The problem, however, is that the progressive tapes are all old, worn-out and virtually unintelligible to the objective listener. Yes, the charade is over -- I guess the left never got the memo.

     
  • roy bitz posted at 9:48 am on Sun, Oct 28, 2012.

    roy bitz Posts: 499

    Anyone who cares, and has a basic understanding of the issues addressed in this article has pretty much decided which argument seems most credible to them and will vote their choices.
    I will vote for the candidate and those representatives that will support and protect the troops that protect our great country our people and way of life.
    Will you?

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 10:34 am on Sat, Oct 27, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    The goal of the Repubican Party, as Grover Norquist has stated, is to eliminate the Democratic Party and rule as they wish.

    Unfortunately, the TEA Party has thrown a monkey wrench into the works and have tried to strong arm mainstream Republicans, further adding to the obstructionism already in place that was set to make sure none of President Obama's legislation could pass - toward the stated goal on Day 1 by Mitch McConnell that Obama was to be a one-term president.

    White males are running scared - thus the movement to take women's reproductive rights back to the 1800's - they have to try to control something. The rate at which men such as Rep. Todd Akin and candidate Richard Mourdock are coming out of the woodwork with ridiculous statements such as "legitimate rape" and "the product of rape" being a gift from god is truly frightening. Willard Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan support these comments, agree with them, and will do all they can to eliminate the right to choose by criminalizing abortion, outlaw many forms of contraception, and give a fertilized egg property rights by passing a "personhood" amendment.

    What needs to be stopped is the social re-engineering the Republicans have planned.

     
  • Thomas Heuer posted at 10:33 am on Sat, Oct 27, 2012.

    nth degree wise Posts: 1457

    Mr Ring says "This latest piece from Ms Neely is pretty much a repeat from several months back. Same talking points we have been hearing from the left since the election process started 18 months or so ago." Considering there are thos that are considering a vote for Romney this column bears repeating and hasn't been said enough. Obama has done a pretty good job with a bad situation. We need to keep doing what has already been done to bring us slowly but steadily back to recovery. Romney/Ryan are anxious to try some "familiar changes" that believe trickle down works, that there really isn't a need for social security or medicare and that the military can solve all problems in the world. The conservative believe as Grover Norquist stated that they only need a president that has enough working digits to sign what ever they put infron of him. Thats how much respect they have for your alternative to Obama.

     
  • John Lucas posted at 9:30 am on Sat, Oct 27, 2012.

    John Lucas Posts: 2730

    Joanne , you make a good point.
    Who knows what Mitt Romney believes. It depends on who his audience is

     
  • John Ring posted at 9:10 am on Sat, Oct 27, 2012.

    John Ring Posts: 34

    Joanne, you must not be paying attention. This latest piece from Ms Neely is pretty much a repeat from several months back. Same talking points we have been hearing from the left since the election process started 18 months or so ago. Both parties are not much different when you get down to it. So then what's the choice. Keep the same guy in office and hope for the better or make a change and hope for the better. Obama isn't saying he plans on doing much different so i"m willing to take the chance on a change.Can't believe the LNS allows such a shallow piece in the paper.

     
  • Andrew Liebich posted at 7:54 am on Sat, Oct 27, 2012.

    Andrew Liebich Posts: 2999

    America has been gutted economically, socially and geopolitically by decades of phony partisanship and a complete abrogation from BOTH parties of the constitutional foundation of the country.

    The country isn’t “divided” as mainstream media talking heads like to say. The country is pissed off. Genuine and legitimate frustration permeates the land from sea to shining sea and rightly so.

    What makes the current economic nightmare so much worse is that it is being coupled with a complete and total decimation of civil liberties. One by one the Bill of Rights is being ignored and indeed trampled on systemically by the political and economic oligarchs emboldened by their successful takeover of the executive, legislative and for the most part judicial branches of government.

    Many Independents disagreed with Obama’s economic philosophy but gave him a pass because he promised to end the wars overseas and restore civil liberties. Instead, what we got was a President who signed the NDAA on New Year’s Eve 2011, which included section 1021, allowing for the indefinite detention of American citizens without trial until the “end of hostilities.” Well, because now know the Orwellian “war on terror” is never-ending, the indefinite detention is forever. The worst part is that Obama claims he didn’t want these powers yet when a group of high profile plaintiffs filed a lawsuit against section 1021 and won a ruling deeming it unconstitutional, what was the President’s response? He appealed it to death until he found a panel of judges to agree with him. Not only did he want this power, he seems to crave it.

    I imagine Ms. Neely and Ms. Bobin believe that Obama deserves another Noble Peace Prize.
    [sleeping]

     
  • Joanne Bobin posted at 6:51 am on Sat, Oct 27, 2012.

    Joanne Bobin Posts: 4488

    Thanks for your efforts, Ms. Neely, but your column is way too late. Willard Mitt Romney has COMPLETELY reversed is positions on all of the above issues.

    What will he REALLY do if elected? Who knows, but if his new positions are just a ruse to placate those without a brain and persuade them to vote for him, and the plans you outline are his REAL agenda, I will have to say, "I told you so."

    Same as I said after 8 years each under Ronald Wilson Reagan and George Walker Bush.

     

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