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Waste Management offers to donate $1 million to Lodi for Grape Bowl

In return, company would have option to extend contract

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Posted: Saturday, April 3, 2010 12:00 am

The city released more information Friday on a deal that could lead to $1 million for the Grape Bowl.

Waste Management, Lodi's trash hauler, has offered to give the city the major donation in installments over eight years to pay for improvements at the Grape Bowl, the city's aging stadium. The Lodi City Council will decide Wednesday whether to accept the agreement.

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61 comments:

  • posted at 3:17 pm on Mon, Apr 5, 2010.

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    Thank you for doing the math on this "deal" that is being disguised as a "donation".Hopefully our mayor, our city manager and the council member that are in favor of this deal will realize this is a very bad idea before it's too late.If the city is going to sell a seven year garbage contract I would think they would initiate a request for bid. No?I trust they will not try to ram this one through with another 3/2 vote, but it could get very interesting if they do.

     
  • posted at 1:55 pm on Mon, Apr 5, 2010.

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    Pressie, I see you haven’t changed a bit, same ol motor mouth.. One question though, as much as you profess your hatred for the city and it’s ways why are you still living there?

     
  • posted at 7:02 am on Mon, Apr 5, 2010.

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    The amount of money is really insignificant. $1,000,000 over seven years is about $12,000 per month. If the residential customers were the only ones paying the bill it would be aboutg $.60 a month or $.02 per day. The idea of buying an extension is and the precedent that sets is my biggest concern. It will be most unfortunate if that is how business will be conducted in Lodi henceforth. Thank them for their thought or if we really want to sell the contract then ask for Five or Ten million. If you are going to be a whore then make some money at it--don't give it away.

     
  • posted at 1:04 am on Mon, Apr 5, 2010.

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    Press....why do you always have to resort to name calling when someone doesn't agree with you? I have purposely stayed away from talking about your past history but it's getting more and more difficult. And by the way, don't contact the grand jury anymore. You're becoming the laughing stock of the DA's office.

     
  • posted at 3:16 pm on Sun, Apr 4, 2010.

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    Back to the topic--the WM request to pay one million dollars for a fourteen year contract with built in annual rate increases. Is this a good deal for all Lodi citizens or just a select few?

     
  • posted at 1:27 pm on Sun, Apr 4, 2010.

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    Observer, you're correct, but not if the contract forbid it, which I heard that it did. Would you still condone it then? Or were you one of the decision makers or profiteers? Could I be correct in assuming so since you are so adamantly for any asinine issue or project the city chooses, such as redevelopment for the rich that included Hutchuns Street Square in the redevelopment area? I know you were aware of that, rumor goes.

     
  • posted at 1:24 pm on Sun, Apr 4, 2010.

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    T$C $ dogs, if you'd read the cc meeting agendas on the city website each week, you'd see these "deals" going quite often. Unless you read the agenda or public novice, you'd never know a thing about what goes on among the good old boys and the cc and management. I can tell already by your ignorance. You can access those same public records on the city website anytime you like. It takes time and effort, besides a little intelligence, which I see both of you are apparently lacking, to access many different links to get to the bottom of a simple sounding issue. T$C, you show your simple brainpower when you bitch about a bus bench constantly and then dis others for their opinion about actually important matters. There are at least twenty more links to this issue of letting a developer break their contract and give city money away because the city doesn't want their lovely wine community to have the adverse advertising of the great Holiday Inn closing because tourists aren't coming to Lodi like they profess. This is a cowardly city with a cowardly press and simpletons like you and dogs drinking wine koolaid.

     
  • posted at 1:19 pm on Sun, Apr 4, 2010.

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    I can't imagine any government entity can contractually obligate the owner of a business not to sell if he/she wishes. It just seems unconstitutional. And yes, I was there supporting the Vaccarezza's bid for the contract years ago. As you can guess, I always support local ownership over national or out of town ownership. I was as disappointed as anyone when the Vaccarezza's sold but I would be the first to defend their right to do so.

     
  • posted at 12:35 pm on Sun, Apr 4, 2010.

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    Here's the original document from 2008, it's very plainly written and calls for default, not a loan extension at 1% or so when the original loan was 5.801%http://publicdocs.lodi.gov/Docs/COUNCIL_COMM/2008/03-19-08%20E-07.pdf

     
  • posted at 12:20 pm on Sun, Apr 4, 2010.

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    (cont) and theGeneral Fund could experience a loss of approximately $80,000 to $100,000 in annual TransientOccupancy Tax revenue, the loss of 30 jobs, and the consequences of dealing with a vacant hotel,including difficulty in collecting the impact fees from a subsequent operator or bank. Why didn't the city of Lodi offer those who lost their homes the same deal? Is it because one of the good old boys owns the motel? These prior statements came from the agenda for Wednesday's cc meeting and is public record. T$C and dogs, you 2 need to learn to research info on your computers or shut your big mouths. And yes, T$C, the good old boys are alive and well, planning their next fleecing of Lodi. They want to seal these deals before manager King leaves. The city of Lodi needs these funds RIGHT NOW and if they can't pay, foreclose on them, file a lien and get your money. It's time the good old boys network starts paying the piper out of their own pockets and not the taxpayers.

     
  • posted at 12:09 pm on Sun, Apr 4, 2010.

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    (cont)They arepresently current with their payments but have stated that they are experiencing a severe financialhardship. According to financial information provided by the owners, the business is expected toexperience a loss of approximately $120,000 for the eight months ending February 2010.Staff is requesting that the Council direct the manager to revise the Fee Payment Agreement. It isproposed that the same interest rate methodology be used (LAIF rate plus 1 percent). The current LAIFrate is approximately 0.6 percent which would yield a rate of 1.6 percent for this agreement. Additionally,it is requested that the payments be suspended until January 1, 2011, with the remaining paymentsmade in 20 semi-annual installments over a 10-year period (see attached schedule). The restructuredpayment schedule will not materially affect the impact fee program.This is not a request to waive fees, but a request to restructure payments.If the Council chooses not to direct the manager to amend the agreement, the business may fail.

     
  • posted at 12:02 pm on Sun, Apr 4, 2010.

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    And another "deal" your city council will make at this weeks cc meeting.Direct the City Manager to prepare a revised Fee PaymentAgreement for 1341East Kettleman Lane (Holiday Inn Express)BACKGROUND INFORMATION:For economic development,businesses purposes and fairness, theCity Council has approved agreements to allow the payment ofimpact fees to be spread over time. Typically, the Council hasapproved these fee payment agreements for hardship cases or to make select businesses that providejobs or tax benefits financially feasible. On March 19, 2008, the City Council approved a fee paymentagreement for a new Holiday Inn Express motel at 1341 East Kettleman Lane developed by KFP GALT,LLC. The Fee Payment Agreement allowed $420,496.00 in impact fees to be paid in 20 equal semiannualinstallments ($28,004.57) over a 10-year period. Interest was calculated on the then LocalAgency Investment Fund (LAIF) rate of return plus one percent, which totaled 5.801 percent.In the two years since the Holiday Inn opened, the economy entered the longest recession in eightdecades (source: Dr. John Mitchell, BofC speech). The principal owners of the Holiday Inn Express haveapproached the city manager to request relief from the terms of the payment agreement.

     
  • posted at 9:35 am on Sun, Apr 4, 2010.

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    T&C: Thanks for that, Happy Easter

     
  • posted at 8:19 am on Sun, Apr 4, 2010.

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    pre$$ure$on wrote on Apr 3, 2010 8:41 PM:" So dogs, you're the only one who can gripe? Pressy.... "Whining without a solution is actually "A waste of earth's Oxygen"! Stop COMPLAINING when you refuse to present a valid solution to your gripe! Refusal to and continuing to be disrespectful here will get you BANNED AGAIN by LNS! Is that what you want?

     
  • posted at 8:14 am on Sun, Apr 4, 2010.

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    dogs4you wrote on Apr 3, 2010 1:45 PM:"As I stated in my first post, So pressure just grin and bear it and stop complaining, and get off my back. If you garbage can stinks, clean it out, it is your can.What a great post dogs4you!

     
  • posted at 8:13 am on Sun, Apr 4, 2010.

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    pre$$ure$on wrote on Apr 3, 2010 1:02 PMAnd I've posted those links from the Record several times T$C imposter.Guess what pressy my blogging friend!When LNS went to a registered format, EVERY blogger had to post a blogging nic. "What part of that do you (STILL) not understand? I hate explaining (SIMPLE) things to you!Everyone had to pic a "Nic" and you had NO COPYRIGHT on any nic!What part of that (DO YOU STILL NOT UNDERSTAND)? You remind me of a small child.T & C is the nic I chose when I registered and it is the (ONLY) nic I use. You on the other hand use many nics and No one here disagrees! So instead of being a "Whiner" be grateful you get away with posting under other nics.Is a nic the most serious issue on your mind today, with all that is going on in Lodi? Good Lord, man, get a grip and "Get Over it"!

     
  • posted at 8:05 am on Sun, Apr 4, 2010.

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    wujek: How do you legally opt out? The municipal code 13.16.20 says service is required and that you'll pay the city's contractor. It does say you can apply for a permit with the city and get charged a fee (which I couldn't find on the city's website). I suspect that the city's permit fee is greater than just paying WM.

     
  • posted at 8:01 am on Sun, Apr 4, 2010.

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    LodiJoe wrote on Apr 3, 2010 10:32 AM:" PRE$$, Like me, you have probably seen your fair share of "backroom deals", bribery and payoffs so companies could get business and contracts. I personally know of a purchasing agent that received a new BMW and a luxurious europen vacation for buying a companies poducts. Bad enough this goes on in the corporate world, worse when it involces government entities.My question is this:If (ALL) these Good Old Boy "BACKROOM DEALS" are being wittnessed by others and IF they are ILLEGAL... why do 100% of these witnesses "WHINE IN BLOGS LIKE THIS and REFUSE to go to the California State Attorney Generals Office?You whiners remember of someone who get a blackberry thorn in the palm of their hand and (DO NOTHING) to solve the problem.If you are NOT part of the solution... you are part of the problem.RUN for City Council and change how things are run... or just BE QUIET!

     
  • posted at 7:00 am on Sun, Apr 4, 2010.

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    That's the $1.2 million already funded for the grape bowl. That cool million from WM is just slush money, intended for anything the three blind mice want it to go with their three votes.

     
  • posted at 6:58 am on Sun, Apr 4, 2010.

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    Lodidian, then they can take that $1.2 million and spend it on Hutchins and more wine tasting events. Those county wineries of the good old boys will , too.probably get more city money help.

     
  • posted at 6:56 am on Sun, Apr 4, 2010.

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    Observer, wasn't Vaccartezza obligated not to sell that contract until 2012 or so? How did billion dollar worldwide Waste Management all of a sudden become our carrier? Maybe a little backdoor manipulation by city leaders who even could've shared in the pot of gold WM paid? Who changed the contract wording in the original contract? Or does Vaccerezza own CWRS in name only to show he still has the contract as Lodi's carrier, though it be only commercial bin service? There's something here that stinks worse than the garbage transfer dump right on the banks of the Mokelumne river. I was checking the city council agendas on the Lodi website and see that this item is already on the agenda for this weeks council meeting? And redevelopment is on the horizon, too. Since this issue is on the next CC agenda, I predict it will be Hansen, Johnson and Katzakian voting yes knowing that Vaccarezza is a good old boy and a good friend and maybe even a business partner , silent of course. I do agree Observer that Pizza Works has kickbutt pizzas and their lunch and dinner sandwiches are as good, if not better than anyone in Lodi.

     
  • posted at 4:55 am on Sun, Apr 4, 2010.

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    LNSPlease tell us---How THIS IS A DONATION?This is an offer to buy favorable contract terms, it should not be referred to as a donation. If we are selling rights to seven year contract, will the council request competitive bids? No?

     
  • posted at 3:47 am on Sun, Apr 4, 2010.

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    My point....I just don't think there needs to be a contractual obligation for this donation. They should be contributing anyway. Just like when Vacarezza owned the company. California Waste and the Vacarezza family have been extremely generous to this community for a very long time. No contracts to do so.

     
  • posted at 3:46 am on Sun, Apr 4, 2010.

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    Here's the deal as I see it. Over the years, Lodi has had many, many local companies/businesses contributing to the community. Local banks, General Mills, local developers, Cottage Bakery, local physicians and medical groups, Holt Rubber, Alegre Trucking, car dealerships and on & on. That's just the was it has been. Has there been ulterior motives for their contributions, probably. But in the majority of the cases these business owners and their employees have lived in the community, have children in the local schools and recreation department programs and have a genuine interest in helping. When I know Pizza Works is sponsoring my daughters softball team I make the effort to eat there. It's certainly not required of me but a way of saying "thank you" for sponsoring. I think we all try to support those businesses who support programs we are involved with. If I have a choice between business A and business B, and know business B supports local community programs.....guess where I shop?

     
  • posted at 5:39 pm on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    You don't have to pay the city for garbage collection. There are legal means to opt out of that service.

     
  • posted at 5:35 pm on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    "I just can't help but suspect there are some dealings between WM and the City that citizens are not privy to."I bet the same is true of the Downtown business Partnership here in Lodi. Same goes for the big wineries, Costco and the likes. Why is it only WM you have a problem with for this?And you don't have to pay the city anything. You can always drive the garbage to the SJ County dump yourself, $7.50 per truck load. Do you need the website?

     
  • posted at 3:41 pm on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    So dogs, you're the only onewho can gripe? If you weren't such an idiot, you wouldn't read them, Heil, snoop doggy!

     
  • posted at 2:50 pm on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    WUJEK..I am well aware the size of WM operations. I am so aware of the City of Lodi and their moral obligation to keep costs for ratepayers as low as possible. OPEN and upfront dealings with bidders is crucial to achieve that goal. I just can't help but suspect there are some dealings between WM and the City that citizens are not privy to.Driving my refuse to the dump myself would NOT accomplish anything. I would still have to pay the City for garbage collection service. For years I maintained a dumpster at my business and could have easily disposed of all my household waste there but would still have had to pay the City.

     
  • posted at 1:29 pm on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    LodiJoe, I am starting to think that you are under the impression that WM is a small operation. Look at http://www.wm.com/wm/about/corporate_profile.asp to get an idea of who they are.They are big and growing. Helping out Lodi with the Grape bowl is a drop in the bucket for them but may help win more contracts with OTHER communities.

     
  • posted at 1:25 pm on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    LodiJoe in referance to your Apr 3, 2010 2:34 PM post:We do have a choice, we can drive it ourselves to the dump.What you seem to keep missing me saying is that when OTHER communities are looking at WM bids and see that WM helped with the Grape Bowl it may tip the scales in favor of WM. So it IS advertisment.

     
  • posted at 11:59 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    How was the million dollar figure was established?It may be worth five or ten million or more to WM to secure this very lucrative contract until 2024. Remember too, this contract ensures our rates will go up every year, equal to the cpi of bay area counties. Why bay area cpi? Why not valley cpi?John Johnson is right, this is a business deal---not a donation. Because this is a business deal it seems the city should advertise the opportunity for competitors to participate.Based on this article it seems the city has not done the necessary due diligence in order to make a good decision on "deal". I hope they don't simply try to "ram it through" with another 3/2 vote. Reprehensible!

     
  • posted at 11:27 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    STUCKIINLODI...Apparently WM knew their real motives would be found out so instead of waiting they just flat out admitted the real reason they are doing it is contract renewal. I say OPEN Lodi refuse service up to bid. I also think that the refuse service should do their own billing. The City isn't handling their accounts receivable for free. Anyone have any idea just how much the City makes for collecting for WM?

     
  • posted at 10:45 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    JBHIKER...if you think this is all agbout a nickel a month you are really in la la land. You are so stupid you can't even comprehend what is really going on can you? Like I said before, it is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

     
  • posted at 10:40 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    JBHIKER.. I see you finally woke up from your night of partying. Better stop using that stuff, it might make you smart someday. Nawwww, I doubt it. Go take your meds and put on your rose colored glasses, and kiss your Obama poster you imbecile.

     
  • posted at 9:55 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    It is fun to see all the idiots in one place exchanging moronic anecdotes over about a nickel a month. I think when the Grape Bowl is repaired, you should all have your names on the toilet wall. Perhaps I will commission an artsy memorial plaque to you immature bloggers to decorate the third stall.

     
  • posted at 9:34 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    WUKEK, I realize the strategy of advertising. I know the value of advertising. The purpose of advertising is to get consumers to buy your product or service. When it comes to WM, we don't have a choice do we. So claiming this is the same advertising their services in Lodi is BS. We have choices to buy or not to buy other products that advertise, not so with WM and this is a ploy to keep it that way.

     
  • posted at 8:45 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    As I stated in my first post, there will always be someone that will bitch about something and pressure you lead the pack. If I had anything to say about picking up trash and a car in the way the garbage would not be picked up. The drivers for WM are very good, seems you live in the slums with all the complaining you do, the drivers put the garbage cans back on the sidewalk where they picked them up, at least on my street, and I have no complaints. If they start at 6 AM big deal, you should be up by then anyway and consider it`s only once a week, the drivers have allot of area to cover and many times are still working past 5 PM. So pressure just grin and bear it and stop complaining, and get off my back. If you garbage can stinks, clean it out, it is your can.

     
  • posted at 8:02 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    Buy a copy of the Stockton Record today. Redevelopment in Lodi is again rearing its ugly head and there's a good aarticle from an outside viewpoint. Why not wait until June when Lodi wants another public hearing to maybe put it on the November ballot. With these hundreds of millions of debt money why would Lodi take a "coercement" from WM when they'll haave enough to build a new grape bowl? Check out the Stockton Record for the story> Maybe the lacking Sentinel will have it Monday if at all. Good old boys, T$C. And I've posted those links from the Record several times T$C imposter. Are you too lazy to archive them yourself?

     
  • posted at 7:56 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    Dogs, doing a good job? do you go out before 4 in the afternoon? If not, drive around Lodi, especially where the streets are narrow and have vehicles on both siides and see the cans sitting out in traffic after being emptied with ttheir lids open, tipped over on their sides and some with waste on the ground left by drivers that aren't allowed to sspend time by WM to get out and get them out of their way and close the lids even if it's not raining? Some of those bins stink terribly and are unsanitary to be left open, but are anyway. I've called them back 3 times to come back and pick up their spilled trash, once oranges from y$g that then was driven over and smashed. WM doesn't give their drivers enough to do those rutes properly. There should be 2 men on each truck to leave those bins in the same position and closed and check each bin to make sure it was emptied completely. And why does Lodi have a noise ordinance, yet WM is sometimes out a 6AM waking up the whole neighborhood? I thought it was 7or8AM for those noisy WM trucks?

     
  • posted at 6:49 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    i like how the other day it sounded like the million was upfront. now it will be paid over 84 months and it will go to pay back the impact fees account. that is so dumb to me. why doest the money go to pay for something else at the grape bowl? why does the impact fee account need to be repaid anyways? that is money developers pay to develop their sites. It just sounds fishy to me.

     
  • posted at 6:37 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    Anyone wishing to post today I would suggest reading Gray Cloud post first, it makes the most sence, so give what ever you were going to slog on with a rest. It`s a competive world, you either lead, follow or get out of the parade. A million dollars is better than a sharp stick in the eye and will help get the Grape Bowl brought up to the new standards. As far as getting big bucks back from the IRS, stop and think, it was your money the government had to play with all the time, so you just getting back your own money in the first place.

     
  • posted at 6:24 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    maybe ADA will haul our garbage losers

     
  • posted at 6:16 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    I dont know the balance of commercial to residential income WM has which could change the "who is paying" arguments, but I dont see anyone else stepping forward with a million. Will the donation help them ? Of course it will. Its a company that is trying to stay in business and make a profit during uncertain times. A better grasp of the future will help them stay competitive.

     
  • posted at 5:59 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    I'd bet a large portion of the money spent by WM at the Grape bowl came from an advertisment budget and the rest from community outreach of some kind.

     
  • posted at 5:58 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    LodiJoe wrote on Apr 3, 2010 8:57 AM:" What really baffles me is that it appears that some Lodi citizens don't realize the money is coming out of THEIR pockets, not WM profits. Ratepayers for WM garbage service are forced to pay them for services, needed or not. Raises in your future bills will cover any and all "donations" WM makes."LodiKjoe, Where do you think ALL the advertising dollars come from? Everythine you buy has advertising money built into the expense. Just about every business in America advertises, it comes out of their money so they pass it on to the consumer. So why is it wrong of WM to do it? Even here on the blog site there are advertisements. They may not cost a million bucks, but they cost a portion of the business' bottom line so that cost is passed on to us. The Fed Gov has spenty MILLION of our tax dollars advertising for the census.The money spent on the Grape bowl is nothing more than advertisment and a feel good story for their web site.

     
  • posted at 5:49 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    I knew there would be the same old grips by the same old gripers, seems anything done these days can`t come close to making them happy. WM is doing a good job as far as I am concerned. All that needs to be done is seperate the garbage from the recycles, wheel it to the curb and WM does the rest at what I would think a fair price. If someone gets a bid for a lower price for pick-up, be carefull what you wish for since you just might get it. Glad I have a thick skin since I know very few of you will agree with me. The follow Richie will not allow me to post, so rather than being booted, you can fill in the blanks for yourself. I am and proud to be a committee of one, always have and always will be, so bring it on.

     
  • posted at 5:32 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    PRE$$, Like me, you have probably seen your fair share of "backroom deals", bribery and payoffs so companies could get business and contracts. I personally know of a purchasing agent that received a new BMW and a luxurious europen vacation for buying a companies poducts. Bad enough this goes on in the corporate world, worse when it involces government entities.

     
  • posted at 5:26 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    pre$$ure$on wrote on Apr 3, 2010 6:45 AMThis contract needs to be up for competitive bidding or,IMO it's either bribery or extortion."NEVER let it be said that I have never agreed with anything you have posted. "Competitive bidding should NEVER be sacrificed in exchange for $$$$!Just as Wal-Mart Supercenter has the "RIGHT" to compete in Lodi!

     
  • posted at 5:24 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    pre$$ure$on wrote on Apr 3, 2010 7:02 AM"The Record archives show Mr. Hood exposing thw good old boys for what they really were. "I feel we are on a Merry-go-round with this "Good Old Boys crap!When will the Merry-go-round stop!Publish all this illegal back room conspiracy crap and send it to the State Attorney General, and "Oust" the "Good Old Boys" so YOU can join the City Council and be Lodi's "Savior" or find a new song!"Good Old Boys of Lodi"... is a very very old song, not worth buying.

     
  • posted at 5:20 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    pre$$ure$on wrote on Apr 3, 2010 7:02 AMLodi city council and management, why do you carry those city-owned laptops yet refuse to participate on these blogs, which you are assumed to read daily?LOL! You know what they say about people who assume? LOL!

     
  • posted at 5:19 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    t jefferson wrote on Apr 3, 2010 7:42 AM:" This will pass - it is bribery, but what politician can resist a bribe...forget about upholding the constitution...Phil Hare said all there needs to be said about what most of our politicians think of the constitution...they don't.The unlimited amount of people, groups and corporations willing to offer "Kickbacks" to "Have their way"... is why I have not and will not run for public office!

     
  • posted at 5:17 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    LodiJoe wrote on Apr 3, 2010 8:57 AM:" What really baffles me is that it appears that some Lodi citizens don't realize the money is coming out of THEIR pockets, not WM profits. Ratepayers for WM garbage service are forced to pay them for services, needed or not. Raises in your future bills will cover any and all "donations" WM makes.Truer words were never spoken. That Million dollars will come back to WM thru "Rate Hikes"! Who can dispute that?

     
  • posted at 5:15 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    Observer wrote on Apr 3, 2010 9:41 AM:" Don't get me wrong....I want to see the improvements made to the Grape Bowl and turn it into a year-round facility. As a good business practice Waste Management should contribute to the upgrades. I just don't think it should be part of the contract negotiations just like I don't think new homes in one area should pay for improvements in a totally different area. "Something good done by a individual, group or Corporation "Without ANY strings attached" is wonderful & Inspiring, "But Stinks" when it is shown that "I will give you this if "YOU DO THIS FOR ME"!

     
  • posted at 4:41 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    Don't get me wrong....I want to see the improvements made to the Grape Bowl and turn it into a year-round facility. As a good business practice Waste Management should contribute to the upgrades. I just don't think it should be part of the contract negotiations just like I don't think new homes in one area should pay for improvements in a totally different area.

     
  • posted at 3:57 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    What really baffles me is that it appears that some Lodi citizens don't realize the money is coming out of THEIR pockets, not WM profits. Ratepayers for WM garbage service are forced to pay them for services, needed or not. Raises in your future bills will cover any and all "donations" WM makes.

     
  • posted at 3:53 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    unfortunately this is the way business seems to be done. If you want to build houses you have to build the city a park. If you want to build a shopping center you have to pay to put in sidewalks and widen roads. If you want a bill to pass you have to agree to send money to my county to build a bridge no one needs. I love that the Grape Bowl will get this money. I too went to the concert and car shows and graduations. I dont agree with the way it is being offered but again, seems the way America does business now. You scratch my back I will scratch yours.

     
  • posted at 2:42 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    This will pass - it is bribery, but what politician can resist a bribe...forget about upholding the constitution...Phil Hare said all there needs to be said about what most of our politicians think of the constitution...they don't.

     
  • posted at 2:02 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    Observer, for once I thoroughly agree with you. My son graduated high school and the ceremony was there. My wife and I attended a ShaNaNa concert way back when on a beautiful summer evening and I have a fondness for the grape bowl. I don't have any fondness for the city for letting it turn into a literal run down facility. Seems to me all they are interested in was Hutchins Square and dumping $1.5 million in losses every year. And that waste still continues to satisfy the very few Lodians it serves. Rather than having meetings, banquets, public meetings and conferences there, the city or chamber send them to the Wine$Roses to keep the good old boy out there in business. Lodi city council and management, why do you carry those city-owned laptops yet refuse to participate on these blogs, which you are assumed to read daily? You are so cowardly, you don't even respond to e-mails seeking the true facts from all your spim in the paper and council meetings. Jeff Hood for citymanager-police chief combined positions. The old investigative reporter Jeff Hood. The Record archives show Mr. Hood exposing thw good old boys for what theyreally were.

     
  • posted at 1:45 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    Good morning, LodiJoe, stillan early riser, too? I agree with you. Here's a little ackground. When Vaccarezza got that contract in the 90's there WAS a lower local bidder yet he was given the contract by the city because the Vaccarezza family who started the business belonged to the good old boys network. I thought there waqs a stipulation that awarded them the contract over the lower bidder as long as rates were kept reasonable and they didn't sell it to anyone. You can see they sold out for millions to Waste Management and now only provide container service to Lodi to make it look like they're still the waste removal vendors. I stood on the corner of Ham Lane & Lockeford street with other concerned citizens demanding that Lodi take the low bidder, whom I believe was from Galt, rather than give it to Vaccarezza only because his family business had always had the contract here. We had petitions signed and were presented to the city to no avail. That's how the good old boy system works here, always has. This contract needs to be up for competitive bidding or,IMO it's either bribery or extortion.

     
  • posted at 1:44 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    This is no different than the "development contract" all developers have to sign before developing a piece of property. Not only is the developer required to pay for and install all of the improvements for the development, he/she has to agree to pay for a multitude of items totally unrelated to the property such as East Side improvement funds, buy fire trucks, improve parks that won't be close to the homes, etc. As excited as I would be with the Grape Bowl improvements I believe this is not a good practice. If Waste Management wants to donate to the Grape Bowl - wonderful (and they should), but to make it a part of their contract - not so good.

     
  • posted at 12:52 am on Sat, Apr 3, 2010.

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    For all you bleeding heart liberals out there that were screaming what a generous "donation" that WM was making out of the goodness of their heart, SHUTUP. Bribery, pure & simple. They are afraid someone might come in and solicit a lower bid so $1 million today will be worth MILLIONS to them later. And it is ratepayer money.

     
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