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Posted: Tuesday, September 2, 2008 10:00 pm

More than 10 teacher positions may have to be cut in Lodi Unified School District due to lagging student enrollment. A decrease in students equals a decrease in funding since the district receives money from the state based on per-pupil daily attendance.

Even after making spending adjustments within each school, the district needs to make up a $2.9 million loss of revenue.

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  • posted at 8:30 am on Sun, Sep 7, 2008.


    Hey teach247365,Thanks for offering some additional details. It really helps me - and probably other readers' - understand how you (I take it that you are a teacher in the district) see things. It seems then, that the issue that perhaps many of you and your colleagues (I would guess that many of them commented on this story) take issue with is the number of management positions in the district. Speaking from a business perspective, it would seem that the best course of action would be to have a sit down between labor and management so that the two sides could, at the least, get a better understanding of the two side's points of views. If I was offering labor relation consulting services to the district, this is what I would suggest. I would bet that a lot of new information would be learned from both sides that would greatly effect this ongoing conversation.

  • posted at 5:13 am on Sun, Sep 7, 2008.


    Let's Be Real...if it were a case of not enough children for all of the teachers, then sure, getting rid of 10 would be reasonable. However, there are class sizes of 40+ throughout the district, in classes (science, shop, etc) where that size is unsafe. Yet we have all kinds of teacher coaches, technology coaches, even coaches for the principals. I have yet to figure out exactly what a teacher coach does. No teacher I know has used one. Yet they get paid. We also have a HUGE curriculum department that gets paid for the work teachers do anyway. We select the books, we write the tests. I'm not sure what they do.

  • posted at 7:54 am on Sat, Sep 6, 2008.


    If I read the story right, the loss of money is happending because fewer students are enrolled this year. Wouldn't that mean that less students are in classes? If less students are in classes, then that means that the money thought to be generated for supporting a teacher's salary is not going to be there. Now, being a business person myself, working for others and having ran my own business, it seems logical that if the revenue designated to support a position no longer supports the position, then the obvious option is to reduce the expenses incurred for the position. In private practice, this position would have it's hours reduced or eliminated. How insane would it be fot me to fire myself or my senior advisers at a time when I needed their advice the most? Listening to these comments, sometimes it seems that logic is not the motivation. By the way, is Mr. Douglas the only adminstrator at the central office? He is brought up so many times in these comment sections that one might assume that no one else worked there. Or is he the only .....

  • posted at 1:43 pm on Thu, Sep 4, 2008.


    To common: Typos can happen especially with these posts, but the word "WAIT" can never be "WEIGHT". It makes me shiver to see this. Look it up! You must be the Ex-mayor and CC dry bean guy? If you are, the TRACY Dry bean festival is on full swing. Go buy some more tasty heirloom legumes. LOL

  • posted at 3:17 am on Thu, Sep 4, 2008.


    Have fun substituting in SUSD!!

  • posted at 2:43 am on Thu, Sep 4, 2008.


    This is a political ploy. Bottom line they report declining enrollment, then receive the money from either the enrollment that was the most. District can receive the same revenue as perviously, even in a declining enrollment year!Too much dead wait in the District Office. Keep the education in the classroom where it is should be, and clean house on East Vine street. Now how the effects the amount the State pays the District, I am not sure?

  • posted at 5:50 pm on Wed, Sep 3, 2008.


    To dogs4you: Your close to the truth. One of the big secrets of public edumacation is the invention of the "credential". This exists only in the imagination of edumacrats. Most all of our math and science teachers do NOT have DEGREES in these subjects. Some may have "credentials" but they represent "educrat games". You can survey most pubic school districts and get similar results. A large percentage of ALL science and math teachers have BACHELORS degrees in PE or similar "hard majors". I have never heard of courses in calculus or thermodynamics being taught in the physical education curriculum. We need to get rid of the "credential" scam. I don't think it would be any worse for our kids if their parents tried to teach them Trigonometry instead of a badminton coach. Parents have only one chance. The badminton coach gets to "try to learn and teach" math with hundreds of students a year, trying to stay one textbook page ahead of the students. If you want to watch these educrats wince, ask them about HOUSSE. This is a credential LOOPHOLE that must be closed.

  • posted at 3:59 pm on Wed, Sep 3, 2008.


    DevilDog 66 has the right idea, take that idea up another step, since kids of all ages can be home schooled, let them be homed schol by their folks, problem really solved since mom or dad don`t have to know squat about anything. Hard to believe mom can teach a higher grade science when she has never attented that class in high school. Saves money though, and that`s what it`s all about. Need smart kids, import them from China or India.

  • posted at 3:47 pm on Wed, Sep 3, 2008.


    Too much bureaucracy dead weight. Time to clean it out. Douglas should go immediately.Education is about the teachers and students and those of direct support services.The district has been purposely paying less for subs then trying to get the teachers to cover on their prep, which costs the taxpayers more. Subs get $100/day while most teachers get between $25-$38 per period of coverage.Now the district is hiring foreign teachers that are temporary, and remain at the bottom of the pay scale during their contract time.Also, they continue to hire inexperienced administrators which is not needed in a "state improvement" district.

  • posted at 1:25 pm on Wed, Sep 3, 2008.


    Provide education ONLY for the legal citizens of our country. Problem solved.

  • posted at 12:52 pm on Wed, Sep 3, 2008.


    taNDC- any Sub Teacher that reported problems to a Principal or LUSD Admin brass is writing themselves a suicide note.That Sub will get NO work at any school in the district. All it takes is to get "IN" at about 5 schools and you can work almost every day. Make friends with the Secretary and you will get calls for last minute jobs.The situation is so bad for quality Subs that if a teacher "finds" one they like they will call that Sub every time they are ill or have a class to attend.But really, do you want to work for $100 a day or for $150? Are you listening LUSD Board & Ms Chief?

  • posted at 10:00 am on Wed, Sep 3, 2008.


    I recommend that we visit www.lodilusd.net Now from there go to the "drop down" window that says "Locate a Department". This looks like a GOOD place to start cutting!May I suggest to go down to letter "P" for "Personnel" under this menu. This bureacracy is where our 100 day and million dollar interim Superintendent has been residing. I wonder of there are more wannabe "administrators" in the hallways looking for "mo money"? There is NO REASON why all these OVERHEAD departments can't be consolidated with the bloat over at the San Joaquin County Department of Education. We see all these merry-go-round departments in public edumacation and they are populated with pencil pushers and educrats. Why can't we for once start holding these desk jockeys accountable to the taxpayers.No consultants are needed.My idea:1) Transfer RESPONSIBILITIES to the County Dept of Education bureaucracy. They have the SAME job titles and this bureacracy also represents more NEEDLESS JOB LAYERING. 2) The departments whose "work" can be accomplished PROFESSIONALLY can be CONTRACTED OUT. Banks have been handling payroll services for years.

  • posted at 8:38 am on Wed, Sep 3, 2008.


    We could have saved the budget if we would have done without an "interim" superintendent for a few months. That would have saved us a ton right there and we would have never missed him.

  • posted at 5:58 am on Wed, Sep 3, 2008.


    Thats great lets trim the FAT off the top !get rid of 10 ppl at the TOP and throw in a few administrators.Keep the teachers and reduce class size a bit!! NOW THERE IS A PLAN!less students = less administrators= less associate sups and so on....

  • posted at 5:45 am on Wed, Sep 3, 2008.


    Make cuts at the top, period. Problem solved.

  • posted at 4:42 am on Wed, Sep 3, 2008.


    and, Nellie, I know two young teachers in Lodi and they can get $150 a day in Stockton and that's why LUSD is short. And the word is you're treated like crap by those who fear an outsider coming into their classroom and noting and reporting deficiencies in that particular classroom. Some of these teachers are as vindictive and mean as a certain female Lodi city council member I know.

  • posted at 4:39 am on Wed, Sep 3, 2008.


    Nellie, I was just using that as a sarcastic example. I doubt few of these administrators and helpers are qualified to teach nor would even have any knowledge of the curriculum taught in classes today. It's time to trim both the pork and the fat on the administrative side. Why do we even need an ASSOCIATE superintendant like Mr. Douglas? It seems it's an undescribable position that merely fills a desk and computer. Those are the first that need to go. If the superintendants and principals are doing their jobs, why is there the need for an assistant? These positions could be filled by two personnel who could move from school to school as needed and replace the assistant at every school. Don't the computers do most of their tasks for them already? If their daily tasks are logged on computer, the information should be there for an experienced"floating" assistant principal to remedy the problem. Just maybe the person aware of those problems just doesn't want it to be solved in a timely manner merely to keep their desk job. This is just the beginning of the cuts and only drastic measures like this will solve the problem.

  • posted at 3:20 am on Wed, Sep 3, 2008.


    Amazingly I agree with T&C- LUSD has too much non-teaching administrators in many departments.However, T&C's idea to move those cut positions into the classroom is wrong. Most admin employees would not be qualified with no credential.One month into the new school year and I hear that LUSD is hurting for Substitute Teachers. Many are working in other districts due to low pay of only $100 per day. The same exact amount that was paid in...1985! 23years and no increase?

  • posted at 3:15 am on Wed, Sep 3, 2008.


    Governor William J. Le Petomane, once said, "Gentleman, we must protect our phony baloney jobs."

  • posted at 2:32 am on Wed, Sep 3, 2008.


    They did to cut all of the people (old timers) in Administration. They don't even do anything related to teaching the kids. only taking the money. If anything we need to go after them to save money for the children. The teachers are the one's that affected the kids the most. And are the least paid.

  • posted at 2:29 am on Wed, Sep 3, 2008.


    It's easy for administration to lay off teachers, rather than cutting themselves back on their salaries or cutting their own hours back to 24 or 32 per week. Why are they never active considering cuts at the administration level aimed at their own departments and maybe even themselves?

  • posted at 2:07 am on Wed, Sep 3, 2008.


    The above reader is absolutely right on!

  • posted at 1:41 am on Wed, Sep 3, 2008.


    I think our new superintendant, Ms. Nichols-washer, needs to lay off those in administration that are left over from the Huyett regime, like Mr. Douglas and the old timers that are still hanging on and keeping LUSD from moving forward in any positive direction the last 10 years or so. This would create an excellent scenario for smaller classrooms if enrollment is declining. Laying off those overpaid "helpers" in administration could keep those 10 teachers. At least 3 teachers could be utilized for one high-paid assistant in LUSD. How many employees there are just decorations? That situation should be considered before laying off any teachers. Or maybe those pencil pushers could serve a dual purpose and be moved to the classrooms with pay according to experience.

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