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Posted: Monday, May 5, 2008 10:00 pm

To serve the growing number of Muslims in north Stockton, a new mosque may be built in the heart of Morada.

The Madina Center of North Stockton has applied to San Joaquin County for a use permit to construct a 13,820-square-foot mosque on the east Highway 99 frontage road, just north of Morada Market off Shippee Lane.

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  • posted at 8:00 am on Mon, May 19, 2008.

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    Brian said "I don't believe anyone has the right to change the definition of marriage. They are compromising the moral foundation of marriage. "Brian, correct me if I am wrong, but I thought you were a Catholic? Catholics only accept marriages preformed in the Catholic Church as one of the sacraments. Marriages outside of the church are not considered marriages. What do you care what is viewed as acceptable in the state of CA? I doubt if the Catholic Church is going to change their definition of marriage anytime soon.

     
  • posted at 7:29 am on Mon, May 19, 2008.

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    My issue with you Brian is that you will put down an entire group of people (gay people) and call all gays immoral, yet you will allow exceptions with other groups of people. Obviously, the gay thing really has you twisted up inside. No, you wont admit it outright. You just add your flip belittling remarks about gays and then later deny you ever said a thing, or work really hard to retract what you said by making up some cockamamie story. That, to me, is a very weak insecure man lacking in character, intelligence and integrity.

     
  • posted at 7:29 am on Mon, May 19, 2008.

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    Brian: You wrote I don't know where you got the impression I think all Muslims are like OBL.I have never said a word, or even reference, to OBL (ever!), so get your story straight and pay attention.Brian: You wrote So, are you saying that , in general, my support for Muslims doesn't sit well with you?I have never addressed this with you at all, ever. You seem to want to pull something out of the air here thats just not there. Why? Is there some issue you are having on this topic? Perhaps you are desperately trying to get off the gay issue in which you are still on the hot seat. (con't)

     
  • posted at 7:23 am on Mon, May 19, 2008.

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    Brian: You sure came up with a lot of assumptions out of the 11 words that I wrote about you when I was responding to Tara (May 18 @ 9:14pm). You sure twist and assume all sorts of things yet you whine like crazy when you think someone has done that to you. You should direct your questions at Tara, as she is the one that posted the derogatory remark about Muslims, not me. You are known here a a right wing conservative and a supporter of Muslims, so I passed on the information to Tara as she had it totally backwards. Poor dear. (cont)

     
  • posted at 3:26 am on Mon, May 19, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on May 18, 2008 9:14 PM:" tara wrote on May 18, 2008 9:08 PM:"To all you Liberal bloggers on this post, all of the Muslims you are so in Love with hate homosexuals."Obviously you are a bit behind here. Brian is the one that is a big supporter of muslims.Lodian, so what's wrong with supporting Muslims? There are Muslims that disagree with gay lifestyles. I doubt it if all Muslims hate gays. So, are you saying that , in general, my support for Muslims doesn't sit well with you? We are talking about the Muslims, not terrorists that are Muslims. I don't know where you got the impression I think all Muslims are like OBL. I do have disagreements with some aspects of Islam. Does that mean I hate them. Of course not. Do I hate OBL as a terrorists? Yes. Do I hate him because he is Muslim? Of course not.

     
  • posted at 12:11 am on Mon, May 19, 2008.

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    tara wrote on May 18, 2008 9:08 PM:" To all you Liberal bloggers on this post, all of the Muslims you are so in Love with hate homosexuals. "Well Tara, it appears then that you have found your natural allies on this subject. Given your affinity for Al Queda's position on homosexuality, one wonders whether you share other values with Osama Bin Laden.Intolerance is a defining characteristic of religious conservatives the world wide, regardless of their particular flavor.

     
  • posted at 12:07 am on Mon, May 19, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 18, 2008 8:40 PM: I never said I hate homosexuals. I disagree with their lifestyles.This is the part that I just don't get. How can you "disagree" with the person an individual loves?For example, I personally do not much care for Laura Bush's husband. That said, I don't see how I can "disagree" with her decision to love him.Brian, please explain how this works.

     
  • posted at 4:48 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    PS, I don't want a Buddhist Temple built in Morada either!!! (before someone asks). I chose to live here for the peace and serenity. When I seek out the temple, I expect to go where it does not interfere with other's daily lives. I would appreciate the Muslims viewing this the same as I do and rethink this. It's going to become an ugly struggle as there are some powerful people here who stop things that they don't want. There are some empty further down on 99.

     
  • posted at 4:45 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    "Careful how you interpret how Buhdists view homosexuals. I bet my pension they have disagreements with their lifestyles." I am a Buddhist and I don't have a problem with their lifestyle. We have compassion for all sentinent beings, especially when we live in a supposedly free society and they are the last group that it seems ok to hate. The idea is that we would have an issue if they are a Buddhist and their lifestyle is conflicting with their ability to follow the 5th precept. You can be gay and it's ok by us. I am of course speaking of Western Buddhists.

     
  • posted at 4:14 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    tara wrote on May 18, 2008 9:08 PM:"To all you Liberal bloggers on this post, all of the Muslims you are so in Love with hate homosexuals."Obviously you are a bit behind here. Brian is the one that is a big supporter of muslims.

     
  • posted at 4:12 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    tara wrote on May 18, 2008 9:03 PM:"I think Leonard, & et al., suffer from some major WHITE LIBERAL GUILT!"How did you come up with that one? LOL

     
  • posted at 4:10 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian wrote "They are compromising the moral foundation of marriage. It really all comes down to how gays feel about morals anyway. Obviously it's not high on their list of priorities."Can anyone else here see this any differently? It's looks pretty simple to me. It's not like Brian is a wordsmith or anything.

     
  • posted at 4:08 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    To all you Liberal bloggers on this post, all of the Muslims you are so in Love with hate homosexuals.

     
  • posted at 4:03 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    I think Leonard, & et al., suffer from some major WHITE LIBERAL GUILT!

     
  • posted at 4:02 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian: You are wiggling around on this one pretty hard, but you cannot escape what YOU wrote.

     
  • posted at 3:51 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    How can I condemn an entire group of people? I must have a power that onlyLodian and Voter are aware of.Please, enlighten me.

     
  • posted at 3:48 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on May 18, 2008 8:45 PM:" Brian: You have judged and condemned an entire group of people in this country and you are trying to whine to others about how YOU are being treated? You're a joke, Brian. Do you realize that?Here we go again. Lodian, You just can't help yourself. What else do you think I said?

     
  • posted at 3:46 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Lodian, you aren't familiar with generalizations, I see.I see a man walikng across the street with a hat on.That doesn't mean all men are wearing hats.

     
  • posted at 3:45 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian: You have judged and condemned an entire group of people in this country and you are trying to whine to others about how YOU are being treated? You're a joke, Brian. Do you realize that?

     
  • posted at 3:44 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian: Tell me how you are not standing on your soapbox being "judge, juror and executioner." when you make comments like this...Brian wrote "They are compromising the moral foundation of marriage. It really all comes down to how gays feel about morals anyway. Obviously it's not high on their list of priorities."You still haven't addressed the inquiries regarding this post of yours.

     
  • posted at 3:40 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    shrubeater, I never said I hate homosexuals. I disagree with their lifestyles. It's the loons here who want to paint me as a hate monger. They are the typical liberals standing on their soapbox being judge, juror and executioner. I am still surprised how much they don't know about me even though they think they know what I think. I have compassion for my fellow man. It is a human trait to have disagreements with anyone. It really irks me when people have nothing else better to do than criticize someonefor having disagreements. Careful how you interpret how Buhdists view homosexuals. I bet my pension they have disagreements with their lifestyles. That said, you can count on Voter and co. saying Buhdists hate gays because they disagree with their lifestyles.

     
  • posted at 3:36 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Why did you say this, brian?"They are compromising the moral foundation of marriage. It really all comes down to how gays feel about morals anyway. Obviously it's not high on their list of priorities."Explain how this doesn't mean you are prejudiced against an entire group of people.

     
  • posted at 3:34 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian is still not backing up his own words. How could he? It would just reinforce the fact that he is a bigot. He wants us all to forget he ever said anything like..."They are compromising the moral foundation of marriage. It really all comes down to how gays feel about morals anyway. Obviously it's not high on their list of priorities."Your words, Brian.

     
  • posted at 3:31 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    LOL @ Brian! Oh, Brian, we don't have to guess at what you are thinking. You post it for the world to see how prejudiced you are with all your bigoted comments...not to mention your weird obsession with underpants.

     
  • posted at 2:55 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Wow, I am surprised this blog is still going. I thought it was about not wanting a Mosque in Morada. My Bad?!! Brian I must correct you about stating that Buddhists don't condone homosexuality, not true. One of the 5 precepts is sexual misconduct. That is defined by most monks and abbys as the misuse of sex in that it takes away from your ability to practice and live a pure life. It DOES NOT translate into hating homosexuals. Buddism is devoted to compassion towards others and the realization that we are all sentinent beings. In fact, the Buddhist religion is the fasted growing religion in America. I think many are tired of the self righteous of the popular religion and seek to live a more compassionate life towards oneself and of course others, everyday, not just on Sunday when our neighbors are watching. It's funny how that one little line in the Bible has been used for centuries to taunt, tease, and torment homosexuals. I guess peeps forgot about the 'thou shall not judge' part.

     
  • posted at 2:52 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    I'm having fun.

     
  • posted at 2:51 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Sigh.... Brian, there is a substantial difference between saying that there are some private schools that teach bigotry and saying that all private schools teach bigotry.Ok Leonard, your point? You did say I said I would waste my money on private schools that teach hatred for homosexuals? Since you have no idea what private school I will be sending my kids tohow can you be so sure that it teacheshatred for homosexuals when in your own words not all private schools teach this?

     
  • posted at 2:40 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    voter wrote on May 18, 2008 6:26 PM:" Actually, Brian, although the majority of private schools in Lodi are quite good, a couple of them are very fundamentalist and actually do teach children to disrespect gays. "Voter, I suspect your definition of disrespect in this instance is to disagree. You are quite consistent in saying that anyone who disagrees with gay lifestayles are being disrespectful.I've been on the receiving end of this rant from you and your cronies for some time now.

     
  • posted at 2:33 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Voter and Lodian just love to write down what they think other people think.Can you give me an idea what you think I might be thinking next? I haven't been entertained like this in a long time.

     
  • posted at 1:53 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian is doing what all of the 28%ers do. He repeats talking points he hears on the radio, on FOX, and on far right websites. These talking points play on his fears and give him a place to direct his anger--always at people deemed worth less. He doesn't connect the reality of his daily life to the talking points. So he uses medicaid but rejects universal healthcare, disrespects gays for being immoral, but wouldn't do that to his own child, etc. The definition of a moderate republican: an ultra conservative who has gotten seriously sick, loved a child who is gay, cared for a disabled family member, dealt first hand with mental illness of a loved one, traveled extensively, made friends with a foreigner, or in some other way has had to face the absurdity of the talking points. Of course, people who think for themselves start off at this place. Brian, you need to grow up.

     
  • posted at 1:40 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian: The concept that is tripping you up is a logical fallacy called the fallacy of composition.Since you are obviously unfamiliar with logical fallacies and the fallacy of the composition in particular, I looked up this explanation on the internet that I think you may find instructional:A fallacy of composition arises when one infers that something is true of the whole from the fact that it is true of some part of the whole (or even of every proper part). For example: "This fragment of metal cannot be broken with a hammer, therefore the machine of which it is a part cannot be broken with a hammer." This is clearly fallacious, because many machines can be broken into their constituent parts without any of those parts being breakable.

     
  • posted at 1:36 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian: You have a hard time comprehending and making distinctions.

     
  • posted at 1:35 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian: Would you then tell your daughter what you already stated here, such as...It really all comes down to how you (a gay person) feels about morals anyway. Obviously it's not high on your list of priorities.Those are your words, Brian. Would you say that to your own daughter?

     
  • posted at 1:33 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 18, 2008 6:17 PM:" Leonard Wrote: For the record, Brian, you are the one who introduced the subject of your children's health insurance (or lack thereof) and you are the one who stated your intention to waste your money by sending your kids to schools that would teach them to hate homosexuals.Leonard, those are your words. If you want to construe something I said in those words then that's your choice.Sigh.... Brian, there is a substantial difference between saying that there are some private schools that teach bigotry and saying that all private schools teach bigotry.

     
  • posted at 1:26 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Actually, Brian, although the majority of private schools in Lodi are quite good, a couple of them are very fundamentalist and actually do teach children to disrespect gays.

     
  • posted at 1:26 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on May 18, 2008 6:13 PM:" I often wonder what hateful people do when their child tells them they're gay. How do these people, that hate gays, handle such a thing? How sad for the child/teen/adult. "If my child were to come up to me and say they were gay I would do everything in my power to understand why they feel this way. Oh, there is no doubt some people hate gays. I'm not one of them.I'm a firm believer that you are not born gay and this dysfunction can be corrected. This old addage that people who disagree with gay lifestyles hate themis used over and over again to drive a point home that everyone not gay can't be critical of gays unless they want this label attached to them.

     
  • posted at 1:17 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Leonard Wrote: For the record, Brian, you are the one who introduced the subject of your children's health insurance (or lack thereof) and you are the one who stated your intention to waste your money by sending your kids to schools that would teach them to hate homosexuals.Leonard, those are your words. If you want to construe something I said in those words then that's your choice.You can't seem to control your urge to discredit me.Again, you owe an apology to all the private schools in Lodi for accusing them of teaching children to hate homosexuals. That's quite an accusation.Perhaps we should contact these private schools in Lodi and ask them if they do this.

     
  • posted at 1:15 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    It's sort of weird... I never know if Brian is going to cuss me out or start asking me about my undies.

     
  • posted at 1:13 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    I often wonder what hateful people do when their child tells them they're gay. How do these people, that hate gays, handle such a thing? How sad for the child/teen/adult.

     
  • posted at 1:04 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Oh, and Brian... ya better get thicker skin and a sense of humor before your little darling hits the teen years! LOL!

     
  • posted at 1:04 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian, it's an old saying when you use it once. Beyond that, it sounds like a freudian slip--that, or very poor verbal skills.This reminds me of all of the far right crusaders who keep mentioning and railing against their most secret vices--Larry Craig and Ted Haggard come to mind.

     
  • posted at 1:02 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Oh, Brian. If you think I am a teenager then you are more out of touch than I suspected. You had better get going and grow up fast before that little girl of yours passes you up in the maturity department. Just wait till you have a sharp teenager on your hands...you'll be dropping to your knees in mental pain I'm sure. LOL. I have the feeling that you can't match the wits of anyone over 10 years old. You sure act like a 10 yo. LOL! Actually, maybe a 2 year old.

     
  • posted at 1:01 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 18, 2008 4:57 PM:-Leonard feels that private schools are a waste of money because they teach kids to hate Homosexuals.I certainly did not say anything of the sort. My wife attended a Quaker prep school. The Quakers have conducted gay marriages for years and their schools teach peace and tolerance just as they have done for centuries.There certainly are plenty of private schools that teach bigotry of all sorts but I believe that they are a minority.

     
  • posted at 12:50 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    I suspect Voter and Lodian are teens when too much time on their hands.They got much of their style from Leonard. He's a grown man. Pitiful.

     
  • posted at 12:48 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on May 18, 2008 5:37 PM:" Brian wrote on May 18, 2008 5:24 PM: "...Lodian, How are your underpants doing?"Why is it that when insecure men feel threatened by the subject of gay people they always start in with provocative innuendo? Are they trying to claim their manhood? Prove they are macho? They wouldn't want anyone to think they're gay so they make sure to overdo it with the innuendoes. Geez, how lame can one get? "Report Abusevoter wrote on May 18, 2008 5:33 PM:" You seem suspiciously interested in underpants--three references in a row. A fettish? My underpants are none of your business, Brian, and it creeps me out just a little that a stranger on the internet would be obsessed with them. "It creeps ME out that someone would construe an old saying as anything differentthan cute. Carry on with your smear campaign. I'm enjoying listening to you two twisting my words. This is better than TV. These posts all go on google for future references. All you need is key words to get them.

     
  • posted at 12:40 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    voter: I wonder if Brian's wife is okay with him asking strangers online about their underpants. Eww!

     
  • posted at 12:37 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 18, 2008 5:24 PM: "...Lodian, How are your underpants doing?"Why is it that when insecure men feel threatened by the subject of gay people they always start in with provocative innuendo? Are they trying to claim their manhood? Prove they are macho? They wouldn't want anyone to think they're gay so they make sure to overdo it with the innuendoes. Geez, how lame can one get?

     
  • posted at 12:34 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    You seem suspiciously interested in underpants--three references in a row. A fettish? My underpants are none of your business, Brian, and it creeps me out just a little that a stranger on the internet would be obsessed with them.

     
  • posted at 12:33 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian: You are doing everything you possibly can to avoid claiming your own words and to deflect from your bigoted comments. Bad form, Brian. I don't give a rip if you agree with me or not, I'm just holding your feet to the fire buddy on what YOU wrote in regards to YOUR stand on gay marriage and gays in general. You are wiggling youre A$$ off in trying to side step what YOU wrote. Too bad, we all read it and we all know what you said, bigot. You wont even explain what you think steppinwolf said let alone YOUR own words! Youre a big joke, Brian.

     
  • posted at 12:28 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    LOL

     
  • posted at 12:28 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian wote "Brian wrote on May 18, 2008 5:24 PM: "...Lodian, How are your underpants doing?"Brian: Is this really something you should be asking me?

     
  • posted at 12:24 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Of course all the rebuttals are from people pro gay marriage. Steppinwolf is but one of millions that are against gay marriage.I applaud him for sticking to his convictions.Voter, Lodian, How are your underpants doing?

     
  • posted at 12:18 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    voter wrote on May 18, 2008 5:13 PM:" Brian, I read steppinwolf's post. I also read the rebuttals right there below it. You ought to go back and read those.Voter, I'm not going to change my mind just to make YOU happy.I'm sure you've read something from a book or wherever and you find you're in agreement with it. Now, if my convictions get YOUR underpants all in a fuss I don't care either.

     
  • posted at 12:13 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Lodian, you twisted my words to your liking that I was speaking of another post. I asked you to re-read the post. Now that it is clear that it was not my own words those words that Steppinwolf wrote I agree with. Give it a rest. This is getting old.TELL ME WHY I SHOULD NOT AGREE WITH STEPPINWOLF?I'm not going to back off from my view of gay marriage to make you happy. And the bigot and prejudice thing about me is just not true. Is that all the better you can do? If my convictionsget your underpants all in a fuss I don't care.

     
  • posted at 12:13 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian, I read steppinwolf's post. I also read the rebuttals right there below it. You ought to go back and read those.

     
  • posted at 12:03 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian 5:02 PM: Address the words you wrote yourself and stop using the words of others as if they were your own.

     
  • posted at 12:02 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian is a real word twister.

     
  • posted at 12:02 pm on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Lodian, Steppinwolf did a good job of assessing the gay marriage issue. I will ask you again. READ THE POST BY STEPPINWOLF.I agree with Steppinwolf.Tell me why I should not agree with the post.

     
  • posted at 11:57 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Leonard Wrote: For the record, Brian, you are the one who introduced the subject of your children's health insurance (or lack thereof) and you are the one who stated your intention to waste your money by sending your kids to schools that would teach them to hate homosexuals.-Leonard feels that private schools are a waste of money because they teach kids to hate Homosexuals.That's a really nice thing to say about St. Annes and Lodi Academy.Leonard, perhaps you should write a letter of apology to ALL of the private schools in Lodi for making such an outrageous and libelous statement.I have no intention of trying to help you get out of this. This is your baby.I never implied it was a waiste of money to send my kids to privateschools nor did I say they teach kids to hate homosexuals there.

     
  • posted at 11:54 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian: Steppinwolf is not here to discuss his words. Why should I speak of his words to you? You plagiarized his words. You tried to pass of his words as your own...don't you understand what you did? Do I need to spell it out for you even further? YOUR words were not twisted. These are YOUR words...Brian wrote "They are compromising the moral foundation of marriage. It really all comes down to how gays feel about morals anyway. Obviously it's not high on their list of priorities."Brian: Now, address your own words and stop trying to defer to someone elses writings. I know you have a hard time speaking for yourself and sounding even remotely intelligent, but give it a whirl. Go for it, Brian. Claim your own words and explain yourself. I dare ya.

     
  • posted at 11:46 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Lodian, I just am amazed by how you can twist my words. I asked you to read Steppinwolf's post but you read something else. You're really teetering towards just outright insanity the way you construe my words.

     
  • posted at 11:39 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    I'm going for a swim. I'll be back to check on you later, Brian.

     
  • posted at 11:38 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    I wonder when Brian will stop deflecting and back up his "own" words. Maybe he's trying to find the writings somewhere by a person that writes better than he. We'll know when you plagiarize again, Brian.

     
  • posted at 11:25 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian (aka steppinwolf?) wrote "Try also not attack my family because my opinion differs with you about gay marriage."Brian: When did I ever make a threat towards your family? I guess it's okay for you to cuss and threaten me though right? What a nasty little man you are, Brian.

     
  • posted at 11:22 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    voter 4:21 PM: LOL!

     
  • posted at 11:21 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian wrote "Read the post carefully and try not to call me a bigot because I'm not."Brian: Do you mean this post...Brian wrote "They are compromising the moral foundation of marriage. It really all comes down to how gays feel about morals anyway. Obviously it's not high on their list of priorities."Brian: Yes, I'll call you a bigot after reading that comment.

     
  • posted at 11:21 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Regarding the threat, I can't imagine Leonard is biting his nails over it. Seriously, what's Brian going to do? Drive 12 hours straight through from Phoenix and what? Hit Leonard with his wife's purse?

     
  • posted at 11:18 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    voter: Brian can dish it out, but he sure can't take it. The thin skinned little twerp.

     
  • posted at 11:16 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian: Just like your "friend", real facts (RF), your hate will be your demise here.

     
  • posted at 11:15 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian: I cant believe that you have the nerve to address this issue of gay marriage as if it were something that will end the world as we know it. You seem to think gay marriage is so completely immoral and detrimental to all mankind, yet you willingly lie, hate, cuss at others with a vile tongue, threaten and plagiarize and that's okay with you? Your character, integrity and moral compass are more than a bit askew. You've got some serious issues pal.

     
  • posted at 11:10 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian: Again you embarrass yourself by showing AGAIN that you plagiarize the writings of others. Your excuse is that you agree with that person's writings? Oh please. You plagiarize all the time and when you get caught you give some lame excuse why you did it. Oops, I forgot to give credit to the author...bull! You are morally bankrupt, Brian, and you try to make yourself out to be some intellectual. Ha! You just look the fool, Brian...again.

     
  • posted at 11:04 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Wow. I go out to mow the lawn and while I'm gone, all hell has broken loose.

     
  • posted at 11:02 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    RF's in the air.

     
  • posted at 10:17 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 18, 2008 2:53 PM:You want a piece of me. BRING IT ON!I THINK YOU SHOULD RESTRAIN YOURSELF FROM THE PERSONAL ATTACKS ON MY FAMILY IF YOU KNOW WAHT'S GOOD FOR YOU! "Chuckle.... and now we have truly come full circle with the fearsome Navy SEAL threatening to kick my asp. For the record, Brian, you are the one who introduced the subject of your children's health insurance (or lack thereof) and you are the one who stated your intention to waste your money by sending your kids to schools that would teach them to hate homosexuals.Given your presentation of these priorities, how could you possibly expect us not to question them?

     
  • posted at 9:55 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    LEONARD'S WIFE HAS TO LISTEN TO HIM BLOVIATING ON A DAILY BASIS.THANK GOD I ONLY HEAR IT ON THE BLOGGS.

     
  • posted at 9:53 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Leonard wrote on May 18, 2008 2:41 PM:" Brian wrote on May 18, 2008 12:06 PM:" Lodian, If gay marriage ever becomes law here I will do everything I can to send my kids to a private school where teachers aren't forced to teach kidsabout taxpayer payed immoralities.You would think that he would want to do everything in his power to get his kids good health insurance.I guess teaching the kids to hate is just more important than keeping them alive.L, the last sentence is the last straw.You want a piece of me. BRING IT ON!I THINK YOU SHOULD RESTRAIN YOURSELF FROM THE PERSONAL ATTACKS ON MY FAMILY IF YOU KNOW WAHT'S GOOD FOR YOU!

     
  • posted at 9:47 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 18, 2008 12:21 PM:Not quite Leonard. Nice try.I see you won't address the issue of moles in the military because you know I am right. Instead, you make a ridiculous accusation just to make me look bad.Why should I try to make you look bad when you are doing such a good job of it yourself.You clearly stated that the author of the press release was a mole who was trying to hurt the US Armed Forces. All I did was to point out the fact that the man you were accusing of treason was the Major General in command of all US Forces in Baghdad.This is just another case where you could easily have avoided making a fool of yourself if you had just bothered to make sure you knew what you were talking about before you opened your mouth.You have no one to blame for your humiliation but yourself.

     
  • posted at 9:41 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 18, 2008 12:06 PM:" Lodian, If gay marriage ever becomes law here I will do everything I can to send my kids to a private school where teachers aren't forced to teach kidsabout taxpayer payed immoralities.You would think that he would want to do everything in his power to get his kids good health insurance.I guess teaching the kids to hate is just more important than keeping them alive.:(

     
  • posted at 9:32 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Lodian, I just have to ask you.That post from Steppinwolf I didn't give credit to, is exactly how I feel about the issue of gay marriage. ]Care to explain to me why I shouldn't feel that way? Read the post carefully and try not to call me a bigot because I'm not. Try also not attack my family because my opinion differs with you about gay marriage. It only shows howlow you can stoop.

     
  • posted at 8:40 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Whoever "steppinwolf" is on www.gaiaonline.com, he got blasted big time with some great responses. That's probably why Brian is running from the question here.

     
  • posted at 8:34 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    For those of you that wish to decide for yourself, on Brian's plagiarism, here's the link...http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/politics/where-do-you-stand-on-same-sex-marriages/t.4571024_256/?sequence=256

     
  • posted at 8:31 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    voter: I think he's plagiarizing again.

     
  • posted at 8:30 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    voter wrote on May 18, 2008 1:23 PM:"LOL! Either he's "steppinwolf" or he was caught plagiarizing again. In my children's classrooms, they were taught that plagiarizing is immoral."Yes, indeed. Plagiarizing is an offense that will get one suspended from school. I guess this kind of thing is accepted in Brian's house.

     
  • posted at 8:23 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    LOL! Either he's "steppinwolf" or he was caught plagiarizing again. In my children's classrooms, they were taught that plagiarizing is immoral.

     
  • posted at 8:07 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Oh, Brians earlier post (May 18 @ 9:35am) came from another site at www.gaiaonline.com. Either he copied from the poster there called, "steppinwolf" on the forums or he is "steppinwolf". I wonder if he goes around posting that same paragraph on many different websites/forums. Odd little man. Personally, I don't think he wrote that post himself.

     
  • posted at 8:03 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    *mouth

     
  • posted at 8:02 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    voter: Brian will not address his bigoted comments nor will he address anything more that will reveal even more of his prejudice...or ignorance (well, not on purpose). He opened his moth and now he looks like a moron. He will slink away now and reappear at a later date denying this ever took place, as usual. That's his routine in a nutshell.

     
  • posted at 8:00 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian: Any teaching, or allowing, of immorality comes from the home and the parents. A well-raised and moral child can be amongst all kinds of people and still have character, integrity and morality in tact. A passing immoral comment or two can come from anywhere, including a private school, teachers, children and other parents etc. Frankly, I think you would be a bad influence on the morals we teach our children as we do not preach hate towards an entire group of people as you do in your home.

     
  • posted at 7:55 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian wrote "As with RF and G74, I think I'll go on a hiatus from any blogg that attracts People Like Lodian, Voter, and Leonard."RF (real facts) left because he was proven to be a liar and a vindictive creepy stalker. He was dismissed. Gerard remains on these boards, so you are now just making things up to try and align yourself (your actions) with someone of character and integrity. You will never even come close, so don't even try.

     
  • posted at 7:51 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian, my children are grown. When they were young, I made a point of reviewing their work and textbooks. I never noticed any instruction regarding immoralities. If you feel the classrooms have changed, let me know what you are talking about. I can't imagine what sort of immoral teaching is going on--are you speaking about evolution in high school biology? Human reproduction in middle school or high school science? I seriously do not know what you are referring to.

     
  • posted at 7:50 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Again Brian makes prejudiced bigoted remarks and runs away when we all question him on said comments. Great morals ya got there, Brian. I hope to God that your children do not inherit such hatred for others.

     
  • posted at 7:47 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian: If all these immoralities are being taught in your child's school then why is she still at that school? Oh, and again... what immoralities are you referring to exactly?

     
  • posted at 7:46 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 18, 2008 12:35 PM:" voter wrote on May 18, 2008 12:28 PM:" I have no experience with Arizona public schools, Brian. So I guess you could say I am ignorant to the curriculum there. Enlighten me. "Voter, one last post. You don't have tohave experience in AZ public schools to know there are immoralities taught in public schools throughout America. That was my point. "Brian: Then answer the question.

     
  • posted at 7:45 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 18, 2008 12:27 PM:" Lodian wrote on May 18, 2008 12:21 PM:" voter wrote on May 18, 2008 12:13 PM:"Brian, could you give some examples of the immoralities being taught in Arizona public schools?"Yes, Brian, do tell us what "immoralities" are being taught in your Arizona schools. Also, why does your wife still work there if this is such an issue for you? My wife doesn't work at a public school.You don't have to work at a public school to know what is taught there.You have heard of PTA, haven't you? "You still haven't answered the question, Brian.

     
  • posted at 7:43 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Oh and Brian is cussing people out on the top of your moral priorities list? There are plenty of gay people that have more morals and class in their little finger than you will ever have in your entire body. Morals and class are not just assumed because you are a straight man (so we assume of you).

     
  • posted at 7:35 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    voter wrote on May 18, 2008 12:28 PM:" I have no experience with Arizona public schools, Brian. So I guess you could say I am ignorant to the curriculum there. Enlighten me. "Voter, one last post. You don't have tohave experience in AZ public schools to know there are immoralities taught in public schools throughout America. That was my point.

     
  • posted at 7:32 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    I can see this conversation isn't getting anywhere.Again, it's all about trying to discredit me.I can see why G74 doesn't post anymore.How can anyone have a civil dialogue here when there are those at odds with what you say? As with RF and G74, I think I'll go on a hiatus from any blogg that attracts People Like Lodian, Voter, and Leonard.

     
  • posted at 7:28 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    I have no experience with Arizona public schools, Brian. So I guess you could say I am ignorant to the curriculum there. Enlighten me.

     
  • posted at 7:27 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on May 18, 2008 12:21 PM:" voter wrote on May 18, 2008 12:13 PM:"Brian, could you give some examples of the immoralities being taught in Arizona public schools?"Yes, Brian, do tell us what "immoralities" are being taught in your Arizona schools. Also, why does your wife still work there if this is such an issue for you? My wife doesn't work at a public school.You don't have to work at a public school to know what is taught there.You have heard of PTA, haven't you?

     
  • posted at 7:24 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    voter wrote on May 18, 2008 12:13 PM:" Brian, could you give some examples of the immoralities being taught in Arizona public schools?Voter, Are you that ignorant that you have to ask ME?You'll just dispute them or claim my sources are biased. What's the use?

     
  • posted at 7:23 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian wrote "...you make a ridiculous accusation just to make me look bad."No one has to remotely "try" to make you look bad, Brian. You do a great job all on your own.

     
  • posted at 7:21 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    voter wrote on May 18, 2008 12:13 PM:"Brian, could you give some examples of the immoralities being taught in Arizona public schools?"Yes, Brian, do tell us what "immoralities" are being taught in your Arizona schools. Also, why does your wife still work there if this is such an issue for you?

     
  • posted at 7:21 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Leonard wrote:Now Brian, the Dreaded Rear Admiral, our favorite Navy SEAL is accusing Major-General Jeffery Hammond, the commander of U.S. troops in Baghdad of TREASON.Not quite Leonard. Nice try.I see you won't address the issue of moles in the military because you know I am right. Instead, you make a ridiculous accusation just to make me look bad. Have you no class?

     
  • posted at 7:20 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian: Again you dance around the question. You cannot explain your prejudice and bigoted comments so you just say that you've already said your piece. Bull! You've just attacked an entire group of people, calling them names and judging them all. You have never explained those comments of yours and now you run from having to explain yourself. You are so ignorant that it is just sad. Run, Brian, run...but you can't hide from yourself.

     
  • posted at 7:13 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian, could you give some examples of the immoralities being taught in Arizona public schools?

     
  • posted at 7:06 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Lodian, If gay marriage ever becomes law here I will do everything I can to send my kids to a private school where teachers aren't forced to teach kidsabout taxpayer payed immoralities.From what my wife has just told me, they teach so many immoralities now in public schools kids tend to score loweron tests than kids in private schools.

     
  • posted at 6:59 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on May 18, 2008 11:46 AM:" O-M-G!!!!!: Brian is just trying desperately to change the subject so he doesn't have to explain his prejudiced bigoted comments about all gay people.I said my peace. Do you ever not kiss Leonard's butt? Do you have anything to contribute to this blogg other than criticism for other people with a different POV? Go away.

     
  • posted at 6:56 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Ok Leonard, you will say anythingto twist my words.Now I see your cronies are coming out of the woodwork to defend you.I thought that maybe someday we could meet for lunch. Considering how muchyou go out of your way to discredit people who have a different POV Iwill have to bow out.You are so ignorant.

     
  • posted at 6:55 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 17, 2008 10:27 AM:" How horrible that you have already planned to pass on your prejudice to your children. When your kids ask about two men getting married, why not say, "They love each other. People who love each other and want to create a family get married." How does LOVE threaten the fabric of society? "voter, you and your cronies can twist my words til your hearts content to advance YOUR prejudices. I've said my peace. Carry on. "And we see Brian run away, AGAIN, from his own prejudiced comments. His poor little daughter will have to hear all that hatred spewed to her. Careful, Brian, that may all backfire on you big time.

     
  • posted at 6:53 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 16, 2008 7:53 AM: "They are compromising the moral foundation of marriage. It really all comes down to how gays feel about morals anyway. Obviously it's not high on their list of priorities."Brian: Not letting you get away with this one. Explain this statement.

     
  • posted at 6:49 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 16, 2008 7:53 AM: They (gays) are compromising the moral foundation of marriageHow?

     
  • posted at 6:46 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    O-M-G!!!!!: Brian is just trying desperately to change the subject so he doesn't have to explain his prejudiced bigoted comments about all gay people.

     
  • posted at 6:45 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian (wrote on May 18, 2008 9:35 AM): Looks like another one of your copy and paste jobs from another site.

     
  • posted at 6:44 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 18, 2008 11:26 AM:" Leonard, It is common knowledge that there are some in the military that want to undermine our troops in Iraq.That said, I take this military press release with a grain of salt. O-M-G!!!!!Now Brian, the Dreaded Rear Admiral, our favorite Navy SEAL is accusing Major-General Jeffery Hammond, the commander of U.S. troops in Baghdad of TREASONTHIS IS LITERALLY TOO MUCH TO BELIEVE!!!

     
  • posted at 6:41 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 18, 2008 11:33 AM:" I hold the military in high regard.Given your posts on these blogs over the last two years, I find this statement hard to believe.

     
  • posted at 6:40 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 18, 2008 11:21 AM:If our troops could just stop having to fight this PC war and get down and dirty with the terrorists their job would have been done long ago.How many Iraqis do you think would not take up arms against us if are military allowed soldiers to desecrate Korans with impunity? How long would it be before Iraq's Moslem neighbors joined the fight?If there is one thing that could unite the entire Islamic World against us it would be the officially sanctioned abuse of religious sites and holy texts.

     
  • posted at 6:33 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    I hold the military in high regard. However, to say that there aren't any in the military who want to undermine it is ignorant.

     
  • posted at 6:29 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    There are mountains of evidence that John Kerry enlisted in the military to undermine our troops.That said, I'm sure there are many John Kerry supporters in the military that are following in his footsteps.

     
  • posted at 6:26 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Leonard, It is common knowledge that there are some in the military that want to undermine our troops in Iraq.That said, I take this military press release with a grain of salt.

     
  • posted at 6:21 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    The fact that you cannot see it for what it is just goes to show how little you understand the situation in Iraq and the conditions under which our brave fighting men and women operate. Leonard, What else do you see in your crystal ball?If our troops could just stop having to fight this PC war and get down and dirty with the terrorists their job would have been done long ago.Reporting these little infractions only inhibit their ability to get the job done.Terrorists aren't even protected under the Geneva convention. But they sure are given the impression by the liberal media and the PC lawyers that they are by the way they are handled with kid gloves.

     
  • posted at 6:15 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 18, 2008 11:13 AM:You know this for a fact? You will believe anything that the liberal media prints.In this case, I am believing the military's press release.

     
  • posted at 6:13 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Leonard wrote on May 18, 2008 11:00 AM:" Brian wrote on May 18, 2008 10:44 AM:From my POV. Can you really blame the troops?This is not the action of "the troops". Your efforts to tar them with a wide brush aside, this is the action of a single screwup. "You know this for a fact? You will believe anything that the liberal media prints.I never said this action is rampant. You distorted my words to fit your agenda.

     
  • posted at 6:03 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 18, 2008 10:58 AM:" Our troops are held to such a high standard that the littlest infractionis considered front page news by the liberal media. This is not a "littlest infraction" it is the sort of screw up that gets good soldiers killed.The fact that you cannot see it for what it is just goes to show how little you understand the situation in Iraq and the conditions under which our brave fighting men and women operate.

     
  • posted at 6:01 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 18, 2008 10:17 AM:" Leonard, Perhaps if you ever were on the receving end of an AK47I hadn't realized that you had seen combat during your time with the Navy SEALS.

     
  • posted at 6:00 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 18, 2008 10:44 AM:From my POV. Can you really blame the troops?This is not the action of "the troops". Your efforts to tar them with a wide brush aside, this is the action of a single screwup.

     
  • posted at 5:58 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Our troops are held to such a high standard that the littlest infractionis considered front page news by the liberal media. It gives energy to the anti-war kooks.

     
  • posted at 5:52 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    I wonder how much Al-Jazeera payed Reuters to print this?

     
  • posted at 5:47 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Leonard, On the record, I condemn this action by the individual.Off the record, It is justified.

     
  • posted at 5:44 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Leonard,I know what you are saying.And it makes it all that more important that these isolated incidents like this not be reported. It only gives energy to the terrorists to justify their actions even more.From my POV. Can you really blame the troops?

     
  • posted at 5:41 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian: If you really supported the hundreds of thousands of our troops who put their lives on the line every day you would condemn the actions of this individual who has put those troops in even greater danger.

     
  • posted at 5:39 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    I wonder if Reuters can say that allcommunity leaders in Iraq are not terrorist sympathizers.

     
  • posted at 5:39 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Brian: I am sure this is an isolated incident and I KNOW that this is completely in opposition to the tremendous professionalism that is exhibited by 99.9999% of our troops.That said, it is a public relations nightmare. The actions of this one disturbed individual may well cost a number of compatriots their lives.While winning military battles is critical to our ongoing presence in Iraq, real victory will only come when we can convince the Iraqis to live in peace with one another and with us. That victory will be bought and paid for with American lives and every colossal screw up like this raises the price of that victory a little higher.

     
  • posted at 5:36 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    If Obama was President he would want these soldiers prosecuted to the fullest extent because terrorists are misunderstood and they (terrorists) should be psychoanalyzed.

     
  • posted at 5:25 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Leonard supports our troops yet he doesnot give them the benefit of the doubt.Incidents like this showing spite for an enemy that justifies the killing of infidels from verses in the Koran are the result of the ruthlessness and disregard for human life terroristshave a reputation for.

     
  • posted at 5:17 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Leonard, Perhaps if you ever were on the receving end of an AK47 held by a Radical Islamist quoting verses from the Koran that justifies his killing of you because you are an infidel you might want to take potshots at the Korantoo (with the terrorist holding it).It's all how we view things.

     
  • posted at 5:10 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    Leonard wrote on May 18, 2008 9:35 AM:" BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S. military commanders have apologized to community leaders in Iraq after a U.S. soldier used a copy of the Koran for shooting practice, fearing an outburst of anger among U.S.-allied tribesmen.So much for winning the hearts and minds. What a nightmare! "L, probably an isolated incident. If this isn't front page news on the NYTimes it soon will be. The liberal media will print anything to justify their contempt for the troops.

     
  • posted at 4:35 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S. military commanders have apologized to community leaders in Iraq after a U.S. soldier used a copy of the Koran for shooting practice, fearing an outburst of anger among U.S.-allied tribesmen.So much for winning the hearts and minds. What a nightmare!

     
  • posted at 4:35 am on Sun, May 18, 2008.

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    There is one thing you are missing in understanding the argument against same sex marriage. The majority of our country sees the practice as extremely immoral. We look at this as having immorality being pushed on us. The marriage itself would not be considered as pushing immorality on us. As some of you said it is not like you are forcing us to marry a same gendered person. So why do we object?We object on the knowledge that if we accept same sex marriage in our country it will then filter into our lives and our childrens lives in many different ways. For instance our schools will then have to teach our children that marriage is acceptable for same sex couples. So, in this way our children will be taught things we feel our not moral. Our teachers will also be forced to teach things they may believe are not moral. So, the teachers will need to find other jobs and our children will have to go to private school. However, we will be required to pay taxes for these public schools who are teaching things we believe to be immoral.You may say hey this is how the interracial marriage issue was. You are right in that some saw interracial marriage as immoral and that was a big reason people fought against it. However, the religious text that they used to defend this as being a immoral was not very clear and was taken out of context. Therefore, the argument against interracial marriage just did not stand up. The religious texts people use as the basis to argue against same sex marriage are many and are very clear and not taken out of context.

     
  • posted at 8:51 am on Sat, May 17, 2008.

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    JD: LOL... Brian likes the topic. :-)

     
  • posted at 8:36 am on Sat, May 17, 2008.

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    How in high hades did we get on the topic of gay marriage, anyways? :-)

     
  • posted at 8:20 am on Sat, May 17, 2008.

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    Again, Brian runs from the questions and requests for clarification. Brian spews his hate against gay people, as usual, and runs off as if he's already backed up his prejudiced comments with some sort of reason for his nasty comments towards an entire group of people. I have a feeling Brian really doesn't know who he is or what he really believes regarding this topic. I think he's just running scared, like most homophobic men, and afraid to stand up for whats right. I think there is something more here that Brian needs to investigate of himself. Oh well, just another bigot. Nothing new there. Just classic prejudice.

     
  • posted at 8:16 am on Sat, May 17, 2008.

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    Hi Leonard. For the record, Mitt isn't "my man" (As I said, my sympathies were entirely with Fred Thompson.)As for Obama - I could put up with four years (perhaps even eight) of his foreign policy and domestic social engineering. But I can't put up with twenty or thirty years of results-oriented jurisprudence--which is what I fear Obama's SCOTUS picks would give us.But don't worry. It's not like I'm in a swing state anyways.

     
  • posted at 7:19 am on Sat, May 17, 2008.

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    Apparently, Brian is no more able to defend the laws against gay marriage than his spiritual forebears were able to defend the laws against interracial marriage.

     
  • posted at 5:27 am on Sat, May 17, 2008.

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    How horrible that you have already planned to pass on your prejudice to your children. When your kids ask about two men getting married, why not say, "They love each other. People who love each other and want to create a family get married." How does LOVE threaten the fabric of society? "voter, you and your cronies can twist my words til your hearts content to advance YOUR prejudices. I've said my peace. Carry on.

     
  • posted at 5:05 am on Sat, May 17, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 17, 2008 8:19 AM:Like I said, to say that gay marriage doesn't chip away at the moral foundation of marriage is beyond ignorant.Well, I guess I was mistaken. Obviously, Brian does want to talk about the effects that homosexuality has had on his marriage.With that in mind I will repeat my query. My marriage has not been effected in any way by gay weddings.Brian: How, SPECIFICALLY, has your marriage been effected by gay weddings? In what SPECIFIC ways has the moral foundations of your relationship with your wife been undermined by gay weddings?You made the allegation now the time has come for YOU to back them up with evidence and examples.

     
  • posted at 3:44 am on Sat, May 17, 2008.

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    Now I am completely flummoxed, Brian. You don't agree with how they treat homosexuals??????? I thought that was the whole point you were trying to make--that you agree with Islamic fundamentalists regarding gays?Regardless, you still haven't explained how gays pose a threat to marriage. How does loving someone, pledging to care for them for life, and creating a family unit threaten marriage? It would seem to support the institution of marriage, in my opinion. So many straight couples never marry at all and just live together. I'd say that's more of a threat to marriage than two gays/lesbians wanting to commit to each other.How horrible that you have already planned to pass on your prejudice to your children. When your kids ask about two men getting married, why not say, "They love each other. People who love each other and want to create a family get married." How does LOVE threaten the fabric of society?

     
  • posted at 3:32 am on Sat, May 17, 2008.

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    Voter, How is it that you suddenly want to hold hands with Islamic fundamentalists, given your prior prejudicial statements aimed at them?Well, I am critical about my boss. But I still work for him.We are allowed to be critical of someone or a people in this country.It's funny that you wouldn't figure it out that I'm not the only one critical of Islam. Does that mean Islam has no good attributes? Of course not.I do have the ability to change course.Now you are criticizing me for changing course. I want to set the record straight. It's not only Islamic Fundamentalist who oppose homosexuality and gay marriage.Just because Islamic Fundamentalists are part of this group doesn't mean I want to hold hands with them. THOSE ARE YOUR WORDS.And I don't agree with how Islamic Fundamentalists treat homosexuals.That's pretty much a given. But since you are inclined to make blanket statements about me you can't do it on this issue.

     
  • posted at 3:19 am on Sat, May 17, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on May 16, 2008 11:18 PM:" Brian: You are running from the question...again. "This is my answer:Like I said, to say that gay marriage doesn't chip away at the moral foundation of marriage is beyond ignorant.Most people tend to think outside of the box and don't consider what affectan issue might have on them. Instead they think of the affects on society as a whole. If everyone took the attitude you do on issues than this world be much different than it is now.Actually sir, when my kids get older and they ask the question why those two men are getting married I will be honest with them and tell them some misguided people decided marriage is no longer just between a man and a woman.That bothers me. Now, since you feel comfortable candy coating the whole issue that's your choice.

     
  • posted at 2:50 am on Sat, May 17, 2008.

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    Brian,Fundamentalists of ANY religion (Including yours)=extremism and adherence to ancient dogma, regardless of the real pain and suffering it inflicts on people, regardless of scientific fact, regardless of obvious basic human dignity issues. How is it that you suddenly want to hold hands with Islamic fundamentalists, given your prior prejudicial statements aimed at them?

     
  • posted at 7:21 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Let's try it this way. How's this, Brian...- It really all comes down to how Arizona residents feel about morals anyway. Obviously it's not high on their list of priorities. - How does that sound, Brian? Pretty stupid, right? You can place any group in it's place to make the point. How about...- It really all comes down to how middle aged white men feel about morals anyway. Obviously it's not high on their list of priorities. - Getting the point yet, Brian?Let's go back in time. How about this one... - It really all comes down to how black people feel about morals anyway. Obviously it's not high on their list of priorities. - Now that one should make your skin crawl. If not, then you've got some deep seeded issues, Brian, and you need to admit to yourself that you are a bigot.

     
  • posted at 6:33 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 16, 2008 7:53 AM: "It really all comes down to how gays feel about morals anyway. Obviously it's not high on their list of priorities."Another blanket prejudiced statement about an entire group of people. Explain away that bigoted statement, Brian.

     
  • posted at 6:27 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 16, 2008 7:53 AM: They are compromising the moral foundation of marriageBrian: How do you figure? Be specific.

     
  • posted at 6:18 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Brian: You are running from the question...again.

     
  • posted at 6:04 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 16, 2008 10:01 PM:" Lodian wrote on May 16, 2008 8:50 PM:" The type? ...an insecure, homophobic, fearful little man. "Lodian, according to you, then the majorityof Muslim men are this too.You've got a lot of nerve to make such a blanket statement. "No, Brian, I am referring to you. I've read your comments regarding gay people, not other Muslim men...just you. You are prejudice and a bigot. Stop trying to align yourself with anyone else. Stand before us all and explain why gay people threaten you. Don't defer to Muslim men, don't defer to religions and quote newspaper clippings. Speak for yourself (in your own words), for once in your life, Brian, and tell us all why gay people threaten you and why a gay marriage affects you in any way.

     
  • posted at 5:36 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Voter, Many of the Catholic church'sarchitecture and decorations are influenced by Mosques. I am Catholic.I have also been a guest at some of the masonic lodges here in Phoenix. They are influenced by mosques or middle eastern architecture.

     
  • posted at 5:18 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    voter wrote on May 16, 2008 10:06 PM:" I find it odd that someone so focused on the notion of jihad, Islamic banking, Hamas, and fearful of anything remotely connected with Islam, would embrace the social policies of its most extreme followers. "Voter, another blanket statement. So only extremists in Islam don't support homosexuality or gay marriage? Where did you get that?That said, then according to you, only extremists in other religons don't support homosexaulity and gay marriage. I find my knowledge of Islam to be normal for a well read and informed individual. I am fearful of Jihad, Islamic Banking, and Hamas. You should be too. Do I fear anything remotely connected with Islam? Of course not.

     
  • posted at 5:06 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    I find it odd that someone so focused on the notion of jihad, Islamic banking, Hamas, and fearful of anything remotely connected with Islam, would embrace the social policies of its most extreme followers.

     
  • posted at 5:04 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    I called your sources extremists. The definition of extremist is fundamentalist, zealot. I am sure these folks would agree with the notion that they are fundamentalists, and proud of it. Pat Robertson once called for the nuking of the state department. I would hardly call this rational, moderate, or mainstream. Fortunately, most believers of either religion are not extremists.

     
  • posted at 5:01 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote on May 16, 2008 8:50 PM:" The type? ...an insecure, homophobic, fearful little man. "Lodian, according to you, then the majorityof Muslim men are this too.You've got a lot of nerve to make such a blanket statement.

     
  • posted at 4:52 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    voter wrote on May 16, 2008 8:54 PM:" Your attempts at citing references to bolster your viewpoint are pathetic, Brian. Terence Jeffrey was Pat Robertson's campaign manager. You have posted bigoted statements by two religious extremists. I guess Osama Bin Laden supports your view about homosexuality too. Are we supposed to be impressed?Voter, You call me a bigot then you make bigotted statements about Pat Robertson and Terence Jeffrey. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.And now you run Leonard's little notion that since I support Islam's view of homosexuality I must be a OBL sympathizer. Why don't you just come right out and say Islam is bigottedbecause they don't support homos and gay marriage. You're digging a deeper and deeper hole.

     
  • posted at 4:43 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Lodian Wrote:You cannot say that gay marriage or homosexuality has harmed marriage in this country in any way as the divorce rate is already at 50%. And these are heterosexual couples, Brian. You cant blame that 50% on gay people. Lodian, I need some facts to back this up.To say that the immoralities of homosexuality has not compromised the moral foundation of society is beyond ignorant.To say that gay marriage will not further compromise the moral foundationof society AND marriage is proposterous.You've listened to Gavin Newsome speeches too much.

     
  • posted at 4:34 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Lodian wrote: IMO, real men arent threatened by gay people, especially to the extent of calling them names and making sweeping bigoted statements about them.Lodian, I don't feel threatened by gay people. Those are your words.No I'm not a homophobe because I disagree with gay marriage.Liberal talking points get so old.I believe gays can have civil unions.Civil unions do not redefine marriage.If gays want the same benefits as a hetersexual marriage perhaps they could become normal and stop trying to shove down society's throat that they were born with this perversion. Islam doesn't believe they were born with this perversion. Sorry to disappoint you, but there are things in Islam I support.

     
  • posted at 3:54 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Your attempts at citing references to bolster your viewpoint are pathetic, Brian. Terence Jeffrey was Pat Robertson's campaign manager. You have posted bigoted statements by two religious extremists. I guess Osama Bin Laden supports your view about homosexuality too. Are we supposed to be impressed?Brian, how are you threatened by homosexuality?

     
  • posted at 3:50 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    The type? ...an insecure, homophobic, fearful little man.

     
  • posted at 3:48 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Brian will wilt and slink away on this topic like he always does. He can't explain his phobia so he chooses to make broad insulting comments about gay people without ever explaining his position. It's quite typical of this kind of person.

     
  • posted at 3:47 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 16, 2008 8:40 PM:"Leonard,Voter, and Lodian, these pesky little things get in the way of your agenda."What do you assume my agenda is here, Brian? And what exactly are the "pesky little things" you refer to above?

     
  • posted at 3:41 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Gay marriage and homosexuality do not threaten my marriage, children, rights, faith, business, finances, investments or anything else in my life. Why and how does gay marriage and homosexuality threaten you, Brian? Stop with the sweeping prejudiced/bigoted statements of an entire group of people and be specific on why gay marriage and homosexuality threatens you so profoundly?You cannot say that gay marriage or homosexuality has harmed marriage in this country in any way as the divorce rate is already at 50%. And these are heterosexual couples, Brian. You cant blame that 50% on gay people.So, tell us, Brian. Why so threatened?IMO, real men arent threatened by gay people, especially to the extent of calling them names and making sweeping bigoted statements about them.

     
  • posted at 3:40 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Leonard,Voter, and Lodian, these pesky little things get in the way of your agenda.

     
  • posted at 3:31 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Statement by the Islamic Society of North America:Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) has written: "Homosexuality is a moral disorder. It is a moral disease, a sin and corruption... No person is born homosexual, just like no one is born a thief, a liar or murderer. People acquire these evil habits due to a lack of proper guidance and education.""There are many reasons why it is forbidden in Islam. Homosexuality is dangerous for the health of the individuals and for the society. It is a main cause of one of the most harmful and fatal diseases. It is disgraceful for both men and women. It degrades a person. Islam teaches that men should be men and women should be women. Homosexuality deprives a man of his manhood and a woman of her womanhood. It is the most un-natural way of life. Homosexuality leads to the destruction of family life."

     
  • posted at 2:54 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    California Court Strips Children of Right to Mother and Father By Terence P. JeffreyCNSNews.com Editor in ChiefMay 16, 2008(CNSNews.com) - In Thursday's 4-3 decision legalizing same-sex marriage, the California Supreme Court stripped children of the right to be raised by a mother and a father.Most of the media coverage of the California Supreme Court's decision has focused on the court's declaration that there is a right to same-sex marriage. The ruling invalidated California's Proposition 22, a state ballot initiative that passed with 61 percent of the vote in 2000, and which banned same-sex marriage in the state.But the California Supreme Court decision goes beyond simply giving same-sex couples the right to call their unions a "marriage." It also strips children of the right not to be artificially conceived or adopted by people other than a mother and a father.Indeed, the court does not recognize that children have any right whatsoever to a mother and a father.In the decision, the California court sees children primarily through the eyes of same-sex couples who want to secure custody and control of children. The court makes emphatically clear that it deems this to be a right of same-sex couples that is equal to--and identical to--the right of married mothers and fathers to adopt or conceive and raise their own children.In making this argument, the court addresses biological parenthood as an accident of nature that can be swept aside by the court in its pursuit of what the court understands to be justice. To explain this vision of justice--and where children fit into this vision--the court equates same-sex couples to infertile heterosexual married couples."A person who is physically incapable of bearing children still has the potential to become a parent and raise a child through adoption or through means of assisted reproduction, and the constitutional right to marry ensures the individual the opportunity to raise children in an officially recognized family with the person with whom the individual has chosen to share his or her life," the court said.Two homosexual men joining together and contracting to have a child artificially conceived, gestated and handed over to their custody, it concludes, is a question of the "liberty and personal autonomy" of the homosexual men, but not of the child who would be so conceived and raised."Finally, of course, the ability to have children and raise them with a loved one who can share the joys and challenges of that endeavor is without doubt a most valuable component of one's liberty and personal autonomy," said the court."Although persons can have children and raise them outside of marriage," the court said, "the institution of civil marriage affords official governmental sanction and sanctuary to the family unit, granting a parent the ability to afford his or her children the substantial benefits that flow from a stable two-parent family environment, a ready and public means of establishing to others the legal basis of one's parental relationship to one's children and the additional security that comes from the knowledge that his or her parental relationship with a child will be afforded protection by the government against the adverse actions or claims of others."In constructing its vision for a new type of "family," the court rhetorically worked its way around the biological certainty (in a pre-human-cloning world) that all children have a mother and father (whether they are ever afforded the right to know them or not), by adopting a parental lexicon that features not moms and dads but "opposite-sex couples" and "same-sex couples." "Extending access to the designation of marriage to same sex couples will not deprive any opposite-sex couple or their children of any of the rights and benefits conferred by the marriage statutes, but simply will make the benefit of the marriage designation available to same-sex couples and their children," said the court."While retention of the limitation of marriage to opposite-sex couples is not needed to preserve the rights and benefits of opposite-sex couples," said the court, "the exclusion of same-sex couples from the designation of marriage works a real and appreciable harm upon same-sex couples and their children."

     
  • posted at 2:39 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Leonard, It doesn't seem to make any difference to you that millions of people from many religons have issues with homosexuals and gay marriage.And you call yourself a Christian.How dare you!

     
  • posted at 2:17 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Yes Leonard, we know how you like to humiliate people. I'm speaking for a multitude of people who think the redefining of marriage as now with the same sex is offensive.It's funny you agreed with JD that I was bigotted towards Islam. I have always defended the good people in Islam. You should ask those in Islam that don't preach Jidad how they feel about homosexuality and gay marriage and you would find that they agree with my position. But you chose to interpret my position that I agree with how OBL would treat gays.FYI sir, all that multiculturalism you and your liberal cronies want here, the vast majority of them are opposed to gay marriage and homosexuality.I have issues with homos and gay marriage whether I am married or not.

     
  • posted at 1:11 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    voter wrote on May 16, 2008 5:38 PM:" Brian, HOW does gay marriage threaten you? You need to answer this. "Voter, Brian has made it very clear that gay weddings are a grave and serious threat to his marriage and I think his response below has indicated that he us quite embarrassed by the nature of that threat.Certainly, we can speculate on the obvious reasons why a man in Brian's situation might personally feel threatened by the idea people of the same gender should be able to marry each other but I am not sure that it is really necessary to humiliate him in this public forum.Ultimately, Brian's sexuality and the ways which laws related to homosexuality impact his marriage are his business and his business alone. He has made it clear that he does not want to discuss the issues that homosexuality has raised in his marriage.Perhaps we should respect his wishes.

     
  • posted at 12:41 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Marriage has been redefined a number of times. Interracial couples are common and women are no longer chattel. But we know that conservative folk opposed those changes too, based on the "moral" teachings of the Bible. Here we go again with gays.

     
  • posted at 12:38 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Brian, HOW does gay marriage threaten you? You need to answer this.

     
  • posted at 12:24 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Imposing gay marrriage on 30 million people is just a matter of notorietyand peer pressure from the gay mafiathat the 8th largest economy in the world can be more progressive on this issue. It feels good to those in favor of this that they are able to chip away more at the moral foundation of marriage by redefining it.

     
  • posted at 12:15 pm on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Leonard wrote on May 16, 2008 3:49 PM:" Brian: I don't want to put you on the spot. If the manner in which your marriage is threatened by gay weddings is two embarrassing, you don't have to tell us. Just remain silent on the subject and we will know that we need to give you a free pass on this one.-LP "Leonard, you are being quite clever in how you are trying to put me on the spot. Over 61% of Californians who voted back in 2000 on this issue agreewith me. Along with the vast majorityof religons. You and your misfits are going to lose again when it goes on the ballot.Many people and myself have a problem with cultural elite imposing their personal choices on us.

     
  • posted at 10:49 am on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Brian: I don't want to put you on the spot. If the manner in which your marriage is threatened by gay weddings is two embarrassing, you don't have to tell us. Just remain silent on the subject and we will know that we need to give you a free pass on this one.-LP

     
  • posted at 10:41 am on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    As far as I can see, Brian still hasn't explained how his marriage is threatened by the legalization of gay marriage.

     
  • posted at 10:31 am on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Your argument is the same one used by white supremacists to deny civil rights to blacks. "Everything is separate, but equal. We don't need to redefine civil rights."

     
  • posted at 10:28 am on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    So you don't think of gay marriage as a threat?

     
  • posted at 10:23 am on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    voter wrote on May 16, 2008 3:18 PM:" Can one of the social conservatives explain how gay unions threaten marriage? Is there some fear that married people will "jump ship" for a same sex partner? Will it cause traditional marriages to falter? (" Hey Honey, why can't you treat me as nicely as Bob treats Trent next door?") I don't get it. Voter, yes there are gay civil unions.There always have been. There is no need to redefine marriage. Period.

     
  • posted at 10:18 am on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Can one of the social conservatives explain how gay unions threaten marriage? Is there some fear that married people will "jump ship" for a same sex partner? Will it cause traditional marriages to falter? (" Hey Honey, why can't you treat me as nicely as Bob treats Trent next door?") I don't get it.

     
  • posted at 8:10 am on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Brian wrote "It really all comes down to how gays feel about morals anyway. Obviously it's not high on their list of priorities."Wow, you are so incredibly ignorant, Brian.

     
  • posted at 3:53 am on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 16, 2008 7:53 AM: They are compromising the moral foundation of marriageI don't feel that my marriage is in anyway threatened by gays wanting to get married.If your marriage is threatened, perhaps it was already in trouble anyways.

     
  • posted at 3:52 am on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    CALL TO PRAYER -- 5 times a day -- is simply obnoxious! These loudspeakers are really LOUD! London has them blasting overhead, so does Denmark, Michigan allows them.... I expected them in Egypt and rather enjoyed that part of the experience but enough is enough! Morada is NOT going to enjoy them, I can promise you that.

     
  • posted at 3:10 am on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Muslim Call to Prayers in MichiganJihad Watch - archives | 5/16/04 | milford421 Posted on Sunday, May 16, 2004 8:27:19 PM by milford421The City Council of Hamtramck, Michigan approved an amendment to the city's noise ordinance to allow the Muslim call to prayer over loudspeakers 5 times daily, from 6 a.m. - 10 p.mMoradaexpat, You won't get much sleep in this town either.

     
  • posted at 2:53 am on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    Leonard wrote on May 16, 2008 2:03 AM:" Brian wrote on May 15, 2008 8:48 PM:" Leonard, what does OBL have to do with this?Osama Bin Laden and Hamas are relevant because you are championing their position on this issue.Perhaps they should pay you as a lobbyist.Or perhaps they already are?:) "Funny Leonard. Frankly, gays can do what they do. I don't have a problem with that as long as they don't try to redefine marriage. I don't believe anyone has the right to change the definition of marriage. They are compromising the moral foundation of marriage. It really all comes down to how gays feel about morals anyway. Obviously it's not high on their list of priorities.

     
  • posted at 2:51 am on Fri, May 16, 2008.

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    CALL TO PRAYER - 5 times a day -- can get a bit irritating with those very, very loud speakers. While traveling in Egypt, I suffered from sleep deprivation the entire time! I do hope that Morada is not going to allow those loud speakers as other American and European communities have.

     
  • posted at 9:03 pm on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 15, 2008 8:48 PM:" Leonard, what does OBL have to do with this?Osama Bin Laden and Hamas are relevant because you are championing their position on this issue.Perhaps they should pay you as a lobbyist.Or perhaps they already are?:)

     
  • posted at 4:25 pm on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    We have the constitutional right to an assortment of things that society may deem unacceptable or offensive.Just because the constitution says you have rights doesn't make it right.

     
  • posted at 4:18 pm on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    I think the judges overstepped their boundries. Of course we have constitutional rights to free expression. However there are moral boundries we should respect.There are those who want to interpret the constitution in a literal sense with no regard to morals. I'm sure these Republican judges were under extreme pressure to give in to the homosexual mafia. Shame on them.

     
  • posted at 4:01 pm on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Brian, six out of seven of the judges are republicans. Deal with it.

     
  • posted at 3:54 pm on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Leonard wrote on May 15, 2008 7:42 PM:" The role of the courts is to determine whether laws are consistent with the Constitution. To me, that appears to be what the court did today.Brian may disagree with their decision and, if he were a citizen of California, he could vote for a constitutional amendment to overturn their decision but it seems absurd to me to attack their Constitutional right to make the decision in the first place. "Leonard, This decison is consistent with what the constitution says? What have you been smoking?Yep, this is why there's already talk that these judges may be recalled.

     
  • posted at 3:48 pm on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Leonard, what does OBL have to do with this?FYI, Catholics, Jews, Buhdists, Hindus, and Muslims are against homosexuality and gay marriage. Liberals want a multicultural society here. How quaint that this multiculturalism they want so much is against gay marriage and homosexuality.When this issue of gay marriage goes to the ballot again gay marriage in CA will not pass.

     
  • posted at 3:44 pm on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    The real joy in today's California Supreme Court decision is that the majority of the justices are republicans appointed by republican governors.

     
  • posted at 2:42 pm on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    The role of the courts is to determine whether laws are consistent with the Constitution. To me, that appears to be what the court did today.Brian may disagree with their decision and, if he were a citizen of California, he could vote for a constitutional amendment to overturn their decision but it seems absurd to me to attack their Constitutional right to make the decision in the first place.

     
  • posted at 2:38 pm on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 15, 2008 7:04 PM:We know how Islam feels about homosexuality. Chuckle... I take it that you are in complete agreement with Osama Bin Laden and the leaders of Hamas on this issue?

     
  • posted at 2:37 pm on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 15, 2008 7:02 PM:" Leonard, The California Supreme Court asserted its ultimate power today in a way that is shameful and deeply destructive of the ability of a free people to govern themselves.Yes, I understand that you feel that way. What I would like to know is how, specifically do you mean that "This is entirely at odds with the founding fathers perception of a republic."?

     
  • posted at 2:04 pm on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    We know how Islam feels about homosexuality.

     
  • posted at 2:02 pm on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Leonard, The California Supreme Court asserted its ultimate power today in a way that is shameful and deeply destructive of the ability of a free people to govern themselves.

     
  • posted at 1:18 pm on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    JD wrote on May 15, 2008 4:22 PM:I think I'm sitting this election out.Ah, come on. Vote for Obama.If he's lousy, your setting your man Mitt up for an easy run in 2012. At the same time, you might get lucky and he might be great.

     
  • posted at 1:16 pm on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 15, 2008 5:29 PM: This is entirely at odds with the founding fathers perception of a republic.How, specifically, do you mean?

     
  • posted at 12:29 pm on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    I see the stench from the bench imposeda law on 30 million Californians that gay marriage is now legal.An imposition of this magnitude sets a precedent. This is entirely at odds with the founding fathers perception of a republic.It will be a cold day in hell when this happens in AZ.

     
  • posted at 11:22 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Leonard - Agree. Except that Romney, for all his dissembling, seems to be an extremely competent executive. I'm not convinced we could say the same about Hillary. (Or Obama or McCain, really. I think I'm sitting this election out.)

     
  • posted at 9:43 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Mitt Romney is the Hillary Clinton of the GOP. He will literally say or do anything to get elected.Fortunately, the Repugs managed to weed him out early on.

     
  • posted at 9:36 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Brian: I simply took you at your word. As usual, that appears to have been a mistake.I have said it before and I will say it again, here, for the record.I do not think that Americans are ready for a Mormon President. I do not think Americans would, by and large vote for a Mormon President.I certainly would never vote for a flip flopping latter day conservative hair piece like Mitt Romney.Not if he were the last candidate on earth.

     
  • posted at 9:31 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Leonard, you didn't pick up on my sarcasm either. I find it humorous that you would contend that you don't have a bigottedor prejudiced bone in your body for Republicans.

     
  • posted at 9:27 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Leonard wrote on May 15, 2008 11:59 AM:" Brian wrote on May 15, 2008 11:57 AM:Ok Leonard, that's not bigotted or prejudice. I'm glad to see that you agree. There are plenty of reasons to dislike Romney that have nothing to do with his religion.Lodian, Of course I wouldn't expect you to pick up my sarcasm. You'll agree with just about anything Leonard says.Yes, there are plenty of reasons not to like Romney. That goes the same for the others. It was Leonard who said most Americans aren't ready for a Mormon in the White House. He has spoke on past bloggs how Romney's Mormon Faith was one of the reasons why he didn't vote for him. You can google it if you don't believe me.

     
  • posted at 8:47 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    I agree that Leonard did not say anything bigoted or prejudiced.

     
  • posted at 6:59 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 15, 2008 11:57 AM:Ok Leonard, that's not bigotted or prejudice. I'm glad to see that you agree. There are plenty of reasons to dislike Romney that have nothing to do with his religion.

     
  • posted at 6:57 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    My comments were neither bigoted nor prejudiced but I do stand by them. If Romney had received the nomination (which he did not) he would have been unelectable in November because, like it or not, the majority of American's are not ready for a Mormon President.That, and the fact that he is an idiotic stuffed shirt, the ultimate manifestation of all hat and no cattle. "Ok Leonard, that's not bigotted or prejudice. I see. What other things that you spew out of your piehole should we not consider bigotted or prejudice.

     
  • posted at 6:00 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Brian, thanks for the vote of confidence. ;-) FWIW, my point wasn't to excuse the terrorists but to point out that, like adolescent Christianity, you cannot judge adolescent Islam by the actions of a few zealots--even when it appears to outsiders that they're the ones running the show.Leonard, I actually don't think the Mormon thing hurt Romney too much in the long run--there were some unsavory innuendoes (perpetuated, in part, by Huckabee), but a lot of Evangelicals got behind Romney. What hurt him was 1) his somewhat robotic appearance, 2) his strategy of appealing to a base that was not his natural constituency, and 3) his attempts to pander to certain groups by making demonstrably untrue statements.If he runs again in 2012 as the moderate that he is, I think he'll have a pretty good shot. (But personally, I'm still smarting 'cause my boy Fred Thompson didn't take the Republican nomination. Honestly--McCain? What were we thinking?)

     
  • posted at 4:10 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 15, 2008 8:52 AM:FYI, I don't try to discredit peopleExcept for yourself.We all saw what you wrote, no amount of wriggling around will change that, it is right here on this page for all to see.If you had any sense whatsoever, you would simply apologize and move on.

     
  • posted at 4:08 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 15, 2008 8:11 AM:Leonard, does this mean you are going to retract your bigotted and prejudicedstatements about Mitt Romney? I never forgot how you implied he was not a viable candidate because of his Mormom faith.My comments were neither bigoted nor prejudiced but I do stand by them. If Romney had received the nomination (which he did not) he would have been unelectable in November because, like it or not, the majority of American's are not ready for a Mormon President.That, and the fact that he is an idiotic stuffed shirt, the ultimate manifestation of all hat and no cattle.

     
  • posted at 3:52 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    JD wrote on May 14, 2008 3:56 PM:" Wow. First I denied the holocaust, and now I'm justifying the actions of radical Muslims.Can't wait to hear what I'm going to say next. "JD, I can't wait either.You have made some interesting statements that might lead one to thinkabout how you think but I never said verbatum you actually think that way.I do find your POV's interesting. Whether or not I agree with them. That's not the issue.FYI, I don't try to discredit people. Perhaps if all of us bloggers could get together in one room we would find out all of us are quite different than what is perceived on these bloggs. That said, I'm sure you aren't a holocaust denier or a radicalIslam sympathizer.

     
  • posted at 3:11 am on Thu, May 15, 2008.

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    Leonard wrote: I think that the LDS has an interesting outlook because they are (depending on how you look at things) both Christian and out side of the national mainstream.The Mormons know what it is to be a persecuted minority in a way that very few modern Christocentric faiths do. "Leonard, does this mean you are going to retract your bigotted and prejudicedstatements about Mitt Romney? I never forgot how you implied he was not a viable candidate because of his Mormom faith.

     
  • posted at 12:52 pm on Wed, May 14, 2008.

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    JD: I'm still not going to let my Mormon descendants baptize me but I've got to say that I am enjoying your perspective on religion.I think that the LDS has an interesting outlook because they are (depending on how you look at things) both Christian and out side of the national mainstream.The Mormons know what it is to be a persecuted minority in a way that very few modern Christocentric faiths do.

     
  • posted at 12:12 pm on Wed, May 14, 2008.

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    JD: Brian is known for making things up as he goes along. Don't take it personally as he does this to everyone (except for "real facts" of course).

     
  • posted at 12:09 pm on Wed, May 14, 2008.

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    JD: Well said in your 1:58 PM post. And, yes, "prejudice and bigotry" indeed.

     
  • posted at 10:56 am on Wed, May 14, 2008.

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    Wow. First I denied the holocaust, and now I'm justifying the actions of radical Muslims.Can't wait to hear what I'm going to say next.

     
  • posted at 9:03 am on Wed, May 14, 2008.

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    JD wrote: Would you like to know what Christians were doing to non-believers 800 years ago?JD, don't try to enter into the conversation that because of what Christians did 800 years ago it justifies what radical Muslims do now.Please don't insult my intelligenceby inferring I don't know Christian history.

     
  • posted at 8:58 am on Wed, May 14, 2008.

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    What saddens me, Lodian, is that someone would use one of mankind's most most tragic examples of the dangers of prejudice and bigotry as a rhetorical tool in order to disseminate . . . prejudice and bigotry.

     
  • posted at 8:32 am on Wed, May 14, 2008.

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    He's loopy.

     
  • posted at 8:31 am on Wed, May 14, 2008.

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    Brian has probably been hanging out too much at that Bikini Bar. LOL

     
  • posted at 8:30 am on Wed, May 14, 2008.

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    How did Brian make the leap from disagreeing about banking to calling someone a Holocaust Denier? That's quite a leap...even for Brian. I guess this is what we should come to expect from Brian, but it still makes me scratch my head when he comes up with this insane garbage. It's just weird...to say the least.

     
  • posted at 5:32 am on Wed, May 14, 2008.

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    Brian, remember Islam is about 800 years younger than Christianity.Would you like to know what Christians were doing to non-believers 800 years ago?By the way - I see you missed my point about Christians judging humanitarian efforts by how well they are publicized. Care to respond to that?

     
  • posted at 3:36 am on Wed, May 14, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 14, 2008 7:43 AM:" ROTFLMAO A chatroom abbreviation used mainly by imbeciles, usually in response to something mildly, often very mildly, amusing. People who use this type of shorthand should be avoided like the Spanish flu.No, Brian, I was literally laughing my asp off at the prospect of you making yet another of your infamous Dreaded Rear Admiral blunders.You are truly your own worst enemy.

     
  • posted at 3:34 am on Wed, May 14, 2008.

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    Brian, do you actually deny that you posted the following? Brian wrote on May 13, 2008 8:28 AM:Do you also agree with the President of Iran that the holocaust didn't happen?Here we go again. It looks like this is going to be the Navy SEAL incident all over again.Brian wrote on May 14, 2008 7:39 AM: I see you never will change in your attempts to discredit meI don't need to discredit you, you discredit yourself with every time you make one of these blunders.

     
  • posted at 2:55 am on Wed, May 14, 2008.

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    Voter, I couldn't find that tiny snippetyou posted.To me it's a non-issue. I posted this site to bring light to the growth of Islam. That's all.There are probably many things I question in the bible. Are you going tocriticize me if I post a verse from theBible?

     
  • posted at 2:43 am on Wed, May 14, 2008.

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    ROTFLMAO A chatroom abbreviation used mainly by imbeciles, usually in response to something mildly, often very mildly, amusing. People who use this type of shorthand should be avoided like the Spanish flu.

     
  • posted at 2:39 am on Wed, May 14, 2008.

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    Leonard wrote on May 14, 2008 5:32 AM:" voter wrote on May 13, 2008 9:50 PM:" Anybody else check out that web site Brian referenced? Another winner! Random excerpt:ROTFLMAO!!!! This is exactly what I mean about "uncritical media consumption".Will this joker never learn? L, they are just stastistics on the growth of Islam. Enough with your cheap shots.And I never said JD was a holocaust denier. Those are your words. I see you never will change in your attempts to discredit me.JD, Perhaps there are some tiny groups of of Islamic charities. But considering the amount of money the Middle East oil barons have they only throw a few peanuts out on occasion.I do have stats to back this up.Most of the growth of Islam is in third world countries under impoverished conditions. The stats are from a Christian website. I'm sorry you have a problem with that.Oh, I don't know of any Christians wanting to convert you by the sword or threaten to chop your head off if you leave Islam for another religon. It is common knowledge in Muslim countries that if you leave the religon you could be executed. There are facts to back this up.

     
  • posted at 12:32 am on Wed, May 14, 2008.

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    voter wrote on May 13, 2008 9:50 PM:" Anybody else check out that web site Brian referenced? Another winner! Random excerpt:ROTFLMAO!!!! This is exactly what I mean about "uncritical media consumption".Will this joker never learn?

     
  • posted at 12:30 am on Wed, May 14, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 13, 2008 8:28 AM:Do you also agree with the President of Iran that the holocaust didn't happen?You know, watching Brian desperately twist and turn as he tries to avoid taking responsibility for his words would be amusing if it weren't so disgusting.My Dad taught me that, if you make a mistake, you man up, own up, apologize, and move on.I wonder how Brian has gotten this far in life without learning that simple lesson.

     
  • posted at 12:14 am on Wed, May 14, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 13, 2008 7:39 PM:" I won't apologize to JD because I disagree with him. No, but if you were any sort of a man you would apologize for suggesting, without any evidence or support for your statement, that he is a Holocaust Denier.That is, if you were any sort of a man....

     
  • posted at 4:59 pm on Tue, May 13, 2008.

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    Reminders of "real facts" seem to be haunting the boards.

     
  • posted at 4:58 pm on Tue, May 13, 2008.

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    Leonard (May 13 @ 2:18 PM)Ya got that right! LOL!

     
  • posted at 4:50 pm on Tue, May 13, 2008.

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    Anybody else check out that web site Brian referenced? Another winner! Random excerpt:1 Cor 7:3-4 also means that your spouse has control over you the way you dress, your hair cut and the way you physically look. . . .If a man likes his wife with long blonde hair, then she must grow it long and dye it blonde.

     
  • posted at 3:16 pm on Tue, May 13, 2008.

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    Wait--your citation of a Christian website that plays semantical games about the definition of Muslim "growth" statistics rebuts my allegation that some of those opposing the construction of the Morada mosque are motivated by religious bigotry?You're gonna have to explain that one to me in a little more detail.

     
  • posted at 3:11 pm on Tue, May 13, 2008.

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    Brian, people kind of tend to close up on you when you a) tell them they're going to Hell for being heathens, b) try to convince them you know their religion better than they do, or c) intimate that they're all terrorist sympathizers.A Christian should be especially wary of judging humanitarian efforts by the amount of publicity that they garner. But for what it's worth, there are certainly Muslim humanitarian aid organizations. My own church has set up a partnership with Islamic Relief Worldwide whereby Islamic Relief has distributed Mormon-donated supplies to victims of war and natural calamities in Lebanon, Africa, and the areas afflicted by the 2004 tsunami.And your snipe about Burma is a red herring, since last I heard Burma wasn't letting ANYONE--regardless of religion--in to provide humanitarian aid. It isn't charity to raise money for a cause when you know darned well that the money will never go where the donors are led to believe it will go.

     
  • posted at 3:00 pm on Tue, May 13, 2008.

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    Most of the Muslim growth in North America is from immigration. Canada alone immigrates more Muslims apart from the USA, to account for almost all the growth in all of North America every year! It sure must be a hollow boast for Muslims to claim they are the fastest growing religion in North America, when it is because of the kindness and generosity of Christians who let them immigrate, often fleeing the persecution between hostile Muslim sects. There are still 50% more Jews in North America than Muslims in 2004.This pretty much downplays JD's notionof religious bigotry toward Muslims.http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-fastest-growing.htm

     
  • posted at 2:39 pm on Tue, May 13, 2008.

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    I won't apologize to JD because I disagree with him. In his own words he says:I fear that much of the concern about preserving the status quo in Morada may be veiled religious bigotry. As plans go forward, "concern" about traffic and similar issues will doubtless give way to histrionics about burkhas, jihad, seventy virgins, and other tripe that does not apply to Muslims in general and American Muslims in particular.It seems to me if MUSLIMS weren't such religious bigots than they be less secretive. I doubt if you'll ever see a mosque advertising a spaghetti dinner or a come all and join us event.It's the Christian charities calling for donations for the people near Burma.Rarely do you hear about any Islamic charities. I'm not the only one suspicious of their intentions. So get off my back!

     
  • posted at 1:15 pm on Tue, May 13, 2008.

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    Maybe Lower Lockeford.......don't want to be associated with no bikini bars.:)

     
  • posted at 1:13 pm on Tue, May 13, 2008.

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    The same is true of the Brookside area, as they too use "Brookside" as the city name.Same for "Village Oaks".Think I'll start using "Upper Lodi", think it'll work? 'cept I drive an ol' chevy and you can smell the cows here.

     
  • posted at 11:40 am on Tue, May 13, 2008.

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    FWIW, the USPS website shows the "Actual city" for the ZIP Code 95212 as "Stockton" with Morada as an "acceptable city name".

     
  • posted at 9:18 am on Tue, May 13, 2008.

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    Lodian: Would you want to put "Stockton" on an envelope?Just mentioning the word "Stockton" sends property values plummeting 30%.

     
  • posted at 8:25 am on Tue, May 13, 2008.

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    Anyway... it will be interesting to see if this church gets built. It's a free country so I wonder how they can stop it, especially if everything is in order...zoning wise and all.

     
  • posted at 8:23 am on Tue, May 13, 2008.

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    brokenl: "Tolerated" indeed. I'm sure, with everything else they have to do, it gets pretty annoying for the post office personnel (and probably time consuming at times) when a housing development wants to make their "area" a town. The Morada area residents want to separate themselves so badly from Stockton that they don't even want to put Stockton on an envelope.

     
  • posted at 8:17 am on Tue, May 13, 2008.

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    So now if anyone disagrees with Brian on an issue/topic of discussion they become a Holocaust denier? Wow!

     
  • posted at 6:37 am on Tue, May 13, 2008.

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    What does Islamic banking have to do with a mosque in Morada? Why would the mosque in Lodi shut down if this one opened? How many socialists are there in Lodi?Please don't bother to answer cause my head is stuck so far down in the sand I can smell China.And FYI, as there is no Postmaster in Stockton at the moment, the regional director has told me that Morada,CA is not valid,it is however "tolerated".

     
  • posted at 5:07 am on Tue, May 13, 2008.

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    Brian wrote on May 13, 2008 9:40 AM:Are you also going to twist those numbers I sent you on tge billions spent on illegal aliens and how the dems have transformed this country? "Care to explain what this has to do with your attempts to tar JD as a Holocaust Denier?If you had an ounce of integrity, you would apologize to JD.

     
  • posted at 4:56 am on Tue, May 13, 2008.

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    Brian, the irony to your attempts to tar me is that I'm actually conservative on most issues. But the paranoia, over-generalization, and lack of critical thought your posts here tend to exhibit lead me to question whether I really belong with you guys over issues like border security and the war on terror.

     
  • posted at 4:52 am on Tue, May 13, 2008.

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    Brian, re Islamic banking: 1) You need to know that even among Islamic scholars there is not universal agreement as to what exactly an Islamic bank entails. See al-Sadr's writings.2) I agree that there would be upheaval if Islamic banking were to supplant our western economic system, but I think there's a niche for it in our economy to service the western Muslim population. The two cardinal features appear to be 1) semantical games to avoid calling "interest" for what it is, and 2) avoiding investments in "morally objectionable" enterprises--pornography, alcohol, gambling, and the like. A Business Week article on the practice quoted an HSBC executive who was open towards these practices.It may be worth noting that it wasn't the antics of Islamic bankers that got us into our current mortgage mess.

     
  • posted at 4:40 am on Tue, May 13, 2008.

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    Leonard wrote on May 13, 2008 8:55 AM:" ROTFLMAO!!! JD doesn't see banking as a threat so he must be a Holocaust Denier.You just gotta admire Brian's sheer determination to ignore all logic and reason. " L, see you're still into the twist.Are you also going to twist those numbers I sent you on tge billions spent on illegal aliens and how the dems have transformed this country?

     
  • posted at 3:55 am on Tue, May 13, 2008.

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    ROTFLMAO!!! JD doesn't see banking as a threat so he must be a Holocaust Denier.You just gotta admire Brian's sheer determination to ignore all logic and reason.

     
  • posted at 3:28 am on Tue, May 13, 2008.

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    JD, I'm awaiting some more wisdom from you. Do you also agree with the President of Iran that the holocaust didn't happen?

     
  • posted at 3:17 am on Tue, May 13, 2008.

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    JD, perhaps you should contact the banks in England and ask them how they feel about Islamic banking.I also feel obligated to tell you that 100 million Muslims tend to be on the radical side and I'm sure many Lodi Muslims have connections with these types. Don't forget our little Islamic ice cream truck driver in Lodi.

     
  • posted at 3:13 am on Tue, May 13, 2008.

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    JD wrote: I fear that much of the concern about preserving the status quo in Morada may be veiled religious bigotry. As plans go forward, "concern" about traffic and similar issues will doubtless give way to histrionics about burkhas, jihad, seventy virgins, and other tripe that does not apply to Muslims in general and American Muslims in particular.Here's some more wisdom from JD. Of course this will also be taken as gospelby voter and his cronies. Jihad shouldn't even be an issue anymore, should it voter.

     
  • posted at 3:09 am on Tue, May 13, 2008.

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    voter wrote on May 12, 2008 7:21 PM:" You are a wise man, JD. "Voter, nor do I doubt his wisdom.Nor do I doubt that Islam is a threat to the U.S. I choose to not bury my head in the sand about issues such as Islamic banking.JD, all you have to do is google Islamic banking and there is a multitudeof Islamic banks and references. See for yourself. Of course your one reference to Islamic banking not being a threat to the west is good enough for voter and his cronies. I'm laughing as I write this that your word is gospel if it's contrary to mine.

     
  • posted at 2:59 am on Tue, May 13, 2008.

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    There is one constant in the Universe... Everything changes, Nothing stays the same...

     
  • posted at 11:52 pm on Mon, May 12, 2008.

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    JD: Thanks. That is a different and interesting way of looking at this issue.

     
  • posted at 2:21 pm on Mon, May 12, 2008.

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    You are a wise man, JD.

     
  • posted at 2:20 pm on Mon, May 12, 2008.

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    FWIW: There may be something to these statements about preserving the "atmosphere" of Morada--I wouldn't know. But I've seen these same arguments come up whenever Mormons announce a plan to build a temple somewhere--and this is usually the first phase of a campaign that culminates with picketing and the dissemination of pamphlets revealing the "true" nature of Mormon temple worship complete with allegations of blood sacrifice and ritualized rape. I fear that much of the concern about preserving the status quo in Morada may be veiled religious bigotry. As plans go forward, "concern" about traffic and similar issues will doubtless give way to histrionics about burkhas, jihad, seventy virgins, and other tripe that does not apply to Muslims in general and American Muslims in particular.Islam certainly has its share of zealots globally, but the few Muslims I knew when I grew up in Lodi were model Americans and I consider it a privilege to have known them.

     
  • posted at 2:11 pm on Mon, May 12, 2008.

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    Brian, I didn't see your other posts on Islamic banking. Care to post them here?By the way, have you read Mallat's analysis of Mohammad Baqir al-Sadr's writings on Islamic banking? My interpretation is that it's basically a game of semantics so that they can charge interest without calling it interest--disingenuous, but not particularly hazardous to western systems.

     
  • posted at 1:18 pm on Mon, May 12, 2008.

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    Giovanina said" East Morada needs to remain custom homes only and not track homes."G, I agree. Morada is gorgeous. I hope and pray all the homeowners there are able to preserve what they have built.

     
  • posted at 12:45 pm on Mon, May 12, 2008.

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    East Morada needs to remain custom homes only and not track homes. Only way to keep it the way it is, as soon as tracks come in, they wreck everything. Street becomes a parking lot or a storage area, as yards and driveways are to small for boats or RV's, etc. Politicians always pat track developers on the back because they give them the most property taxes, per sq. ft.Oh voter wrote something? oh, just complained again. LOL! Your so funny voter that's hilarious :0)voter wrote on May 11, 2008 2:09 PM:" Giovanina, your obsession with people "posing as adults" and graduating from high school, and your casual usage of the teen pejorative "tard" reveal much. "Sorry, voter, but the term "tard" was used quite frequently in the early 1980's. Maybe the fact that you did not know this reveals more than you want it too.

     
  • posted at 3:04 am on Mon, May 12, 2008.

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    Shrubeater expresses a dichotomy of logic in that shrub has a right to build a home in Morada, regardless of others opinions, yet once shrub has established residence, shrub wants no more homes built anywhere near shrub. Shrubeater selfishly wishes to control private property that does not belong to shrub.

     
  • posted at 6:09 pm on Sun, May 11, 2008.

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    shrubeater: FYI, "brats" grow everywhere....and yes, they are alive and well in Morada too.

     
  • posted at 3:35 pm on Sun, May 11, 2008.

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    shrubeater, keep up the fight. Morada is a gorgeous area. I love your secluded, peaceful neighborhoods. You have the right to be proud of your area and you definitely have the right to fight to maintain your quality of life.

     
  • posted at 1:21 pm on Sun, May 11, 2008.

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    Lodian, LOL!

     
  • posted at 1:16 pm on Sun, May 11, 2008.

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    Giovanina: You get your feathers ruffled so easily. You seem wound pretty damned tight. Relax.

     
  • posted at 1:14 pm on Sun, May 11, 2008.

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    shrubeater 9:25 PM: What a nasty post. Are they a little low on class out there in Morada?

     
  • posted at 1:13 pm on Sun, May 11, 2008.

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    Giovanina wrote on May 11, 2008 12:44 AM: "Deal with my points or shut up"How might one "deal" with your points?

     
  • posted at 9:53 am on Sun, May 11, 2008.

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    http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/018087.phpG, I really like this article titled, "There Are No Taxes in Islam".It really gets to the heart of how the Middle East has sponged off of us infidels.

     
  • posted at 9:46 am on Sun, May 11, 2008.

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    Giovanina, You should look into the aspects of Islamic banking. I posted some links on another blogg and Leonardreplied much the same as he always doeswhen he doesn't agree with someone.He even went as far as saying I was lying even though I posted links of legitimate Islamic banks.FYI, Islamic banking is so contrary to our system of banking here it could be the end of our system of banking if it ever gets a foothold here. It's already quiteprevalent in England. And we know how Islam has ruined a once great nation as England. The leaders in England just bury their heads in the sand hoping it's just a bad dream. With your experience in fighting socialism you need to be aware of Islamic banking. There are similarities.

     
  • posted at 9:09 am on Sun, May 11, 2008.

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    Giovanina, your obsession with people "posing as adults" and graduating from high school, and your casual usage of the teen pejorative "tard" reveal much.

     
  • posted at 6:54 am on Sun, May 11, 2008.

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    Remember that amnesty you libs thought you were going to get? Guess what? Yes, I particpated in many rallies in the Bay and Sacramento to shut down your Socialist Worker party friends. Your friends talk like you, and get arrested. Hey why don't you help out your friends, I would love to see you get arrested, as it is only the lefties, anarchists, and Socialists that get hauled away.I also was instrumental in getting thise Socialist "Diversity" programs exposed which has led and is still leading to the Socialist in LUSD moving out. Say bye to Huyett, Casanega, and and a few more coming soon. They won't be able to hide anymore, they have to run back to Socialistville Berkeley, San Jose, Davis, or whereever. We are attacking Socialism at every level. And what have you done?

     
  • posted at 6:48 am on Sun, May 11, 2008.

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    voter wrote on May 11, 2008 9:07 AM:" Giovanina, you are calling people "thing tards" and standing in the street gawking at people of other ethnicities, calling this "research." You have mistakenly stated that the Lodi Mosque is moving--not true, reread the article. I think the regular posters have a pretty clear picture of your educational attainment. I would be fascinated to hear all about the things you are "getting done" as an "activist." Enlighten us, if you would be so kind. "Yes, smarter than you. So far I have seen your posts prove that you are posing as an adult. But we can all see through the charade.

     
  • posted at 6:47 am on Sun, May 11, 2008.

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    Oh you believe that if the Morada mosque gets built that the Lodi one won't shut down? Don't be so naive. Did you actually graduate from High school?

     
  • posted at 4:58 am on Sun, May 11, 2008.

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    Leonard, I just don't see how Giovanina could be a racist. Please explain to us how this is?Libs like you do throw out this and other words when they suspect someone disagrees with their position to end an argument.

     
  • posted at 4:07 am on Sun, May 11, 2008.

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    Giovanina, you are calling people "thing tards" and standing in the street gawking at people of other ethnicities, calling this "research." You have mistakenly stated that the Lodi Mosque is moving--not true, reread the article. I think the regular posters have a pretty clear picture of your educational attainment. I would be fascinated to hear all about the things you are "getting done" as an "activist." Enlighten us, if you would be so kind.

     
  • posted at 3:35 am on Sun, May 11, 2008.

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    Be that as it may, No city council, No mayor, Still Just a subdivision, I discussed this with the Post office, and the only reason they differentiate, is due to not being in the city limits of any other town... it is county land, that is all

     
  • posted at 3:24 am on Sun, May 11, 2008.

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    When i lived in Morada, It was Stockton 212. I always thought that Morada was a development of Stockton.Like "SunWest" or "Willow Glen" Or in Stockton... "Brookside" I had no idea things have changed. But they do. So Morada is a town. wow.

     
  • posted at 7:44 pm on Sat, May 10, 2008.

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    Deal with my points or shut up

     
  • posted at 7:42 pm on Sat, May 10, 2008.

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    Wow, voter, between the arrogance and speech policing by you and your Socialist lib friends, I thought you would be able to come up with a point. It just so happens I did my own research to see what the reactions are of the members of that mosque, as they stood outside and stared down everyone that did not look like them. But be my guest, do your own research. Never mind, it is obvious that you never made it out of high school and do not know how to do research.As for Morada being Morada and not Stockton. Morada has been legally able to use Morada, CA on their mail for quite a while now. And it is legal. Go ask the postmaster.Thanks Lodian for the advice, I appreciate it. I didn't realize there were so many little "adult posers" on here, especially high schoolers. I do not like spending too much time on these things because I am getting things done as an activist, so thing tards can comment all the want because no one is really taking anything they say as serious. They are so hypocritical then they call everyone else hypocrites.

     
  • posted at 4:25 pm on Sat, May 10, 2008.

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    Yes, we can actually use Morada, CA as an address, not sure if west can. I'm glad you find it interesting we separate ourselves. When your brat Lodi teenagers picked on our children saying they have drive bys in Morada, it shows their ignorace.Yes, it's a housing development, but more importantly, a lifestyle. We haven't lost as much home value as others fortunately. I am thinking that the Muslims probably thought we were just this quiet place that they could build and no one would care. We are just very protective of our Beaver Cleaver lifestyle here. Maybe I should just so go with the one guy who said we are a trailer park, that way it keeps more peeps out.

     
  • posted at 4:09 pm on Sat, May 10, 2008.

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    shrubeater: I'm curious...what does it say on your daily mail? Does it say Morada, CA or Stockton, CA? Anyway, I think you have legitimate concerns with the new church. I just thought it was interesting how you were separating yourself from Stockton.

     
  • posted at 2:18 pm on Sat, May 10, 2008.

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    Morada is an area, a housing development, not a town

     
  • posted at 8:50 am on Sat, May 10, 2008.

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    Peeps, you didn't read clearly, I said west of 99 is "city of Stockton" we are county. We have septics and our own wells (at least some of us do.) The Morada sign is also east of 99. But you're in Lodi, so I guess you wouldn't know. One person thinks Morada is a trailer park. Guess he/she has been on the back 40, but that's otay!

     
  • posted at 6:44 am on Sat, May 10, 2008.

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    Okay, FYI... Morada "is" Stockton.

     
  • posted at 6:08 pm on Fri, May 9, 2008.

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    shrubeater wrote "We don't count west of 99 as Morada, that's city of Stockton."shrubeater: You live in Stockton. Morada is an area, a housing development, not a town. The Morada residential development is in Stockton.

     
  • posted at 3:19 pm on Fri, May 9, 2008.

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    Giovanina: No one is trying to end your free speech. You're gonna have to hang in there with a strong backbone and thick skin or you won't survive these boards.

     
  • posted at 3:16 pm on Fri, May 9, 2008.

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    voter 2:51 PM: Great post!

     
  • posted at 3:15 pm on Fri, May 9, 2008.

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    Oh, Brian.

     
  • posted at 9:51 am on Fri, May 9, 2008.

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    Giovanina wrote on May 9, 2008 6:52 AM:" Is someone here going to have some evidence or research to add to this debate?"Great suggestion! How about you go first, since it was your idea.Let's hear the research and facts about how the members of this mosque are relocating so they won't be watched. I'd like to know how you collected that scientific data, as well. Any other data you've done to substantiate your assertions would also be good. Make sure you can post links to all of these facts so we can follow up on your scholarly points.

     
  • posted at 2:54 am on Fri, May 9, 2008.

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    Leonard wrote on May 6, 2008 11:10 AM:" Oh my! Here comes a spit storm.Our Beloved Comrade, The Dreaded Rear Admiral is probably laying his plans as we speak. "Leonard, You're getting off on the wrong foot. Giovanina seems open to a good debate. However you want to stiflemy opinions before I even say anything.If you don't want me to insult you perhaps you can stop insulting me.Oh, you'll back peddle and say I am not part of that group of nut jobs. It's too much of a conincidence that after you mentioned me that you would write about the nut jobs in your next comment.I'm not going to comment on this blogg.I do know much more about Islam than you do. But you'll label my comments as hatespeech. See you around.

     
  • posted at 1:52 am on Fri, May 9, 2008.

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    Is someone here going to have some evidence or research to add to this debate?Or are they going to hover over this debate like some self appointed speech police officer and call people names that don't agree with them?People are tired of Socialist, end the free speech, tactics.

     
  • posted at 1:48 am on Fri, May 9, 2008.

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    First, from what I understand, the permit was given without an evirnomental impact report. Why? Hmmm supposedly the person who gives out the permits is under suspicion on that one.Second, How many of these people actually live in Morada? I would guess a few probably live on the west side of 99.Third, I think their reasons for moving are suspect. I noticed that the Lodi mosque is across from the park, with a lot of people traffic. It is obvious they are trying to get into an area where there is less people watching them. This move is very suspect.Lastly, people have concerns for a very good reason. So it is really moronic when people bring up their concerns and someone tries to stop the debate, and free speech, by calling them names, like "nut jobs". That would be unAmerican. The price for apathy in public affairs in that evil men rule- Plato

     
  • posted at 5:08 pm on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    The mosque in Stockton looks like a used car lot with all of those stupid colored flags. Is anyone monitoring illegal activity/terrorism at these facilities? How can we be safe? The local icecream man in Lodi was arrested and is spending his days in jail for attending a terrorist camp. These people can't be trusted. They hate Americans

     
  • posted at 3:49 pm on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    Sorry, NO!I DO NOT TRUST MUSLIMS! A guy who worked for my dad was Muslim,he turned out to be an IMAM at the Lodi Mosque. After 9-11-01, That man i "used to consider a friend" could not even look me in the eyes. He was a "good" employee, but could not look a "Flag waving, Gun totting, American Conservative" in the eyes. Something wrong here. HE KNEW! He also knew that while I might be "Patriotic"(A Smidge Red-Neck), he could not afford to stare at me, out of fear that he might have a finger pointed at him! ..!..

     
  • posted at 3:39 pm on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    We don't need another Church where Pollardville is. We have 2 on that corner now. What we need is a nice park. Pollardville would be the perfect spot for that.

     
  • posted at 1:05 pm on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    NO! Not the right area, not the right culture atmosphere. Good grief--it's a residential area! Give me a break! At least the Christian church down the street has the decency to opt for open spaces with no homes. Good for them!

     
  • posted at 12:10 pm on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    Not concerned about who it is. I'm none of those faiths listed below, so don't care. Is it a missprint or not knowing, but Shippee is SOUTH of Morada Lane, not north. OK, then I know where it probably is, it's beside the big aqueduct. Can you say no way due to the water, environment. Please check into Pollardville instead. PS didn't know there were a lot of Muslins in Morada, its about 75+ percent white anglo-saxon protestants. We don't count west of 99 as Morada, that's city of Stockton.

     
  • posted at 11:25 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    When was the last time you heard those Christian churches spewing "death to the Jews" and "death to America". O by the way how many Christian churches have opened up in Saudi Arabia lately?

     
  • posted at 9:14 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    Shrubeater: I just looked at the satellite view of the area via Google maps, and there appears to be plenty of room. Has there been a lot of new construction since the last satellite images were posted?By the way: a congregation of 300 is hardly a "megachurch", and I suspect a good many Christian churches have all the amenities--library, classrooms, multipurpose rooms, etc--that are apparently planned for this mosque.

     
  • posted at 7:25 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    From what little I've seen or heard of Morada, it has the appearance of trailer park heaven. I do like that Raley's store and strip mall, though.

     
  • posted at 7:25 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    We live in a world of prejudice nuts. Morada held together and stopped City Hall from approving the development of the Weber Ranch. I doubt there will be a problem with this either. Like I said, Pollardville is fine by me since some genuis who bought it figured out the million dollar home market is a little slow right now. We've had several for sale here for months that aren't moving. Either cut the price or take it off the mkt folks.

     
  • posted at 7:22 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    Leonard, just who is the REAL dreaded REAR ADMIRAL?

     
  • posted at 7:06 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    Shru: Not, not at all. I'm sure there are perfectly legitimate reasons for opposing this development in your back yard.I was just saying that sooner or later, this subject will bring the nut jobs out of the wood work. Sad to say, they will probably obscure your legitimate concerns.

     
  • posted at 6:51 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    "Plans call for the mosque to be built on two acres that will include a prayer hall, office, multipurpose hall, classrooms for basic Islamic education and a small library, according to the application. There would be parking for 98 spaces."Just don't think you can squeeze all that into 2 acres. What a nightmare if they can. I vote no and will attend meetings. Don't think because it's Muslin either. Morada is Morada for a reason. It's a little piece of heaven on earth and we get a little upset by mass movements here.

     
  • posted at 6:48 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    I don't know if you're directing that at me Leonard, but I chose to live in Morada because it's nice, peaceful, and reasonablly safe. I doubt that you would want a megachurch of any kind really close. If you look directly across the freeway at the megachurch you can see the traffic that abounds. Now, Pollardville didn't pan out for the developers, so it's up for sale. I'm ok if they want to go in there. It's 11 acres and is already zoned for it. I just can't figure out where they are talking about, which makes me think theyrewayunderestimatingheamountofacreageneeded.

     
  • posted at 6:10 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    Oh my! Here comes a spit storm.Our Beloved Comrade, The Dreaded Rear Admiral is probably laying his plans as we speak.

     
  • posted at 1:41 am on Tue, May 6, 2008.

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    Shippee lane is south of Morada Market. There are houses there, so where is this exactly? There is maybe 2 acres free on Morada Lane and Foppiano. Can LNS please clarify this. BTW, first time I've heard of this and I vote no. We're a residential area and we like things the way they are here. We didn't want any more new houses and we don't want this. It's very much out of character with our area. Just MNSHO.

     
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